Plant Identification And Leelavadee

[tigerbeer]

Hi everyone, the first picture is of a plant i just bought. Can anyone identify what plant it is?

The other few pictures are off my Leelavadee plant. seems to have black brown spots everywhere and the tree doesn't seem to look healthy. Can anyone tell me whats going on with the tree? Seems like its affecting the growth. Its not only my tree but other Leelavadee plants seem to look like that all over the mooban.

thanks all.

[sbk]

Not sure what your plant is, but your frangipani look ok to me. Mine have spots from time to time but it has never had a serious effect on them. Only thing is they like a well drained soil so don't overwater.

[GeorgeO]

Not sure what your plant is, but your frangipani look ok to me. Mine have spots from time to time but it has never had a serious effect on them. Only thing is they like a well drained soil so don't overwater.

I grow three different varieties (colours) of Leelawadee, and have always managed to keep them looking very strong and healthy. Your plants appear to be lacking in nutrients, which suggests that you only water them, but do not feed them.

I suggest you buy a good quality soluble plant food and give your plants a good soaking with it once a month

[tigerbeer]

Thank you George and SBK for replying. Would you have any recommendations on fertilisers to be used on the Leelavadees?

[sbk]

Mine are certainly strong and healthy with two trees being over 20 years old, they are in very sandy soil so feeding them regularly would probably only be a short term solution, IMO. If you can live with a few spotted leaves but your tree still thrives and flowers when it should and as it should then I am not a big fan of artificial fertilizer. Mine get compost and buffalo manure when I find it but other than that have managed to grow to the height of my roof of my one story house without alot of help.

[tigerbeer]

i managed to find out the name of the plant on the first image. its called หูกระจง (translated "Ear of the Deer", i think) in Thai and otherwise commonly known as Ivory Coast Almond. Scientific name Terminalia ivorensis. the species in the picture is sort of white/pink/green ("Variegata") combination and turns out so beautifully when a bit more grown. I found a picture of it on the net which is attached below. The full green leafed ones are more common and grow very high.

found another one.

Edited September 23, 2010 by tigerbeer

[sbk]

Wow, a variegated beach almond, I have a huge one on the beach in front of my house but its just the normal everyday terminalia catappa.

Nice, where did you buy that?

[tigerbeer]

SBK. its really a sight these plants. absolutely stunning. put them together in a group and wow! the one in the pictures is 300 baht. slighty bigger than than was 600 baht. about a 3 footer, i was quoted 3000 baht!

I bought it at Kamtiang Market Chiang Mai. its just not common yet but give it some time and it would be. I saw a bungalow in Malaysia that had 3 mature ones and then went searching here in Thailand. I bet there a lot more markets now all over selling them especially Bangkok areas. Should be much cheaper than here. I bought 6 of them

[drtreelove]

The Plumeria probably has rust fungus. Check out this website for description, control measures, and fertilizer suggestions. http://www.plumeria101.com/

Also, there have been previouis threads here and on Chiang Mai forum on Plumeria (Lelavadee, Frangipani)

I'm not sure the plant is Terminalia ivorensis, the variegated leaves look something like it, but the sprawling shrub form does not.

[xen]

I am not familar with Terminalia ivorensis at all so i googled it and the description of it i s "Leaves 6.4-12.7 x 2.5-6 cm, whorled, simple, oval, blunt tipped with orange-brown hairs below and on veins above, also on the short stalks; 6-7 pairs widely spaced veins, prominent below." From the photo it appears that that they do not are oval or blunt tipped. The description goes onto say that " The generic name comes from the Latin ‘terminalis’ (ending), and refers to the habit of the leaves being crowded at the ends of the shoots." There also does not appear to be a leader or terminal shoot indicating that may not even be a tree . So, from the photo i am also doubtful that it is Terminalia ivorensis. I feel it could be something more commom like the varigated form of gardenia radicans and some of my collegues suggested that it could also be one of the varigated new cultivars of Pittosporum . I would be interested in finding out what it is to satisfy my curiosity .

[sbk]

I am just impressed there is a variegated terminalia. I want !

[drtreelove]

I am just impressed there is a variegated terminalia. I want !

I think Xen is on the right track with the leads on shrub possibilities.

There is another species, Terminalia mantaly, native of Madagascar, that comes in a varietated form. I haven't had much experience with these, but where I work in Hong Kong there are quite a few, and I have the feeling that some of the trees identified in Thailand as T. ivorensis, may be T. mantaly. They have a unique look with whorled, layered branch stucture. They may lose this form as they mature like T. catappa does.

I'm not sure of all the differences in these species, from pictures they look similar, but from the World Agroforestry Center site, it describes T. mantaly as a 10 to 20 meter tree, where the T. ivorensis grows much larger (up to 46 meters) and develops a bare trunk for up to 30 meters; maybe not appropriate for a small garden or feature specimen tree.

[David006]

HMMM...well just got back from foraging for veggies, fruit cuttings etc at MILs farm and in front of her house in the obligatory CPAC "pot" was a small plant which looked exactly like the OPs......except it was a variegated leaf bougainvillea with very unusual small delicate beautiful pink mauve bracts. Camera "tits up" so no pics..next time..maybe.

edit: oh and wifey says that some varieties do not have flowers/bracts

Edited September 24, 2010 by David006

[xen]

HMMM...well just got back from foraging for veggies, fruit cuttings etc at MILs farm and in front of her house in the obligatory CPAC "pot" was a small plant which looked exactly like the OPs......except it was a variegated leaf bougainvillea with very unusual small delicate beautiful pink mauve bracts. Camera "tits up" so no pics..next time..maybe.

edit: oh and wifey says that some varieties do not have flowers/bracts

Hi David,

I have a variegated bougainvillea and like most bougainvilleas the thorns would be evident along the stems even at a young age. They may have developed a thorn-less variety but i haven't heard of one yet. Also the varieties of bougainvillea that don't produce bracts or flowers are quite common but when time and the plant is right , then they will produce the coloured bracts. It is usually the non-cultivatar spp of bougainvillea that will do that or sometimes they are just too busy throwing shoots to flower which ,in that case , adjust your fertilising regime. Very similar to a fruit tree that is grown from seed and will be erratic in producing fruit.

Xen

Edited September 25, 2010 by xen

[colte]

My Leelawadi tree looks even worse than yours at the moment, has dropped most of it's leaves. Always does it at this time of the year because of the overwatering it receives in the heavy storms. However it recovers fast and comes back stronger and bigger each time. I had to give it a real hard pruning this year as it had grown so fast. Don't worry, be patient, your plant will recover.

[tigerbeer]

I am just impressed there is a variegated terminalia. I want !

I think Xen is on the right track with the leads on shrub possibilities.

There is another species, Terminalia mantaly, native of Madagascar, that comes in a varietated form. I haven't had much experience with these, but where I work in Hong Kong there are quite a few, and I have the feeling that some of the trees identified in Thailand as T. ivorensis, may be T. mantaly. They have a unique look with whorled, layered branch stucture. They may lose this form as they mature like T. catappa does.

I'm not sure of all the differences in these species, from pictures they look similar, but from the World Agroforestry Center site, it describes T. mantaly as a 10 to 20 meter tree, where the T. ivorensis grows much larger (up to 46 meters) and develops a bare trunk for up to 30 meters; maybe not appropriate for a small garden or feature specimen tree.

You must be right. This SITE shows the tri colour leafs exactly on my plant. Yeah it does grow as huge at the T. Ivorensis does, hence i potted them in huge pots.

Edited September 25, 2010 by tigerbeer

[David006]

HMMM...well just got back from foraging for veggies, fruit cuttings etc at MILs farm and in front of her house in the obligatory CPAC "pot" was a small plant which looked exactly like the OPs......except it was a variegated leaf bougainvillea with very unusual small delicate beautiful pink mauve bracts. Camera "tits up" so no pics..next time..maybe.

edit: oh and wifey says that some varieties do not have flowers/bracts

Hi David,

I have a variegated bougainvillea and like most bougainvilleas the thorns would be evident along the stems even at a young age. They may have developed a thorn-less variety but i haven't heard of one yet. Also the varieties of bougainvillea that don't produce bracts or flowers are quite common but when time and the plant is right , then they will produce the coloured bracts. It is usually the non-cultivatar spp of bougainvillea that will do that or sometimes they are just too busy throwing shoots to flower which ,in that case , adjust your fertilising regime. Very similar to a fruit tree that is grown from seed and will be erratic in producing fruit.

Xen

Thanks mate good info..one thing I have found with all our bougainvillea is that they seem to do better in pots? Okay we are on a mountain and the soil is probably not great, every plant we stuck in the ground even with lots of compost seems to slow down. Recently potted one again with compost, ash etc and it's taken off...

,,,,of course took a cutting of MILs variegated (no thorns)..stuck it in a pot after dipping in some hormone powder...we will see..lol

this two weeks after potting again...very sad before..