Child Porn On Sukhumvit Stirs Outrage

[TAWP]

If people have witness accounts (up to date), photos (of the vendors too if possible), anyone is welcome to send them and I can forward them to a friend that is willing to set up a site for the purpose of bringing the real media attention to this and expose sellers and possibly others.

[moetownblues]

Yes it is sick but I guess some thais think they have to cater for that type of tourist that flocks to Thailand for it. There are rock spiders from abroad crawling all over Thailand looking for this stuff. The authorities need to get tougher.

[TheBarbarian]

It is most probably the exception to the rule. If you read between the lines it is about Hollywood blockbusters. The ambassador in question who obviously never travelled through Europe or Latin and Middle America, Asia came outside his country (porn is for sale in the open everywhere) needed child porn to make his point. Have I seen porn on the streets of Bangkok? All the time, the worst form of porn is seen all over TV everyday when you look at the government, it is pure bestiality, but I have never seen child porn on Bangkok Streets. We do not need an ambassador to outrage people of Thailand if that was the case. It is fairly easy to arrest the people selling it. But in the numbers of the post, mentions are made of the numbers of stalls selling Hollywood movies and Porn no figures about this subject what makes it highly unlikely.

Thai authorities are with right very sensitive about this subject and it is not likely that Thai authorities would allow this to happen.

[Pi Sek]

There is another, more sinister, side to this. These vendors are trying to make a living selling what people want to buy. If people weren't buying the vendors wouldn't be selling. The people making these movies would still be making them even if people weren't selling and buying them.

It is the nastier side of the human condition.

I have just noticed that there are 172 people viewing this topic and wonder why.

Trust someone from Pattaya to say this, even if there is an element of truth to the post.

But, personally, this highly offends me and I would immediately report this if I saw it, and demand a copy of the police report.

[NanLaew]

A while back I wanted to start a thread about the public kiddie porn vendors on beach road on the Pattaya forum, but I asked a mod if it was OK, and was told not to start it, too inflammatory.

Really? Now that was an example of incorrect moderation if ever there was one... even if it was pre-emptive and allows me to comment on it. Too inflammatory? That the good people of Pattaya would get upset if such goings on were openly discussed? Although I can see where it would be irresistible bait for those with PDS eh?

Caveat on my Pattaya report. This is something I have seen more than once in the past, on multiple beach road DVD tables. However, it is not a recent report as these days I tend to walk on the beach side of the road.

That's the side where there's another 'problem' no?

Keep up the good work Jing. Sometimes you start wild hair up your arse threads but for the most part, you do have a keen eye for the community and astute judgement when it comes to where to draw the 'mai pen rai' line in this circus we chose to join.

[scorecard]

Just searched for any official reaction but I can't find anything.

Any other members seen any official comment? Please share.

[phuketrichard]

Right on;

This has been going on since as long as i can remmember and that goes back to the early 80's, so this is nothing new.

Funny, I've been around since the very early 1980s, remember when Nana Plaza was mostly tailor shops and the Landmark Hotel was but a hole in the ground, and I don't ever remember seeing kiddie porn being openly displayed, neither along Sukhumwit nor anywhere else in the Kingdom. Now never having inquired whether it was available or not I can't say whether or not it was available under the table, but I have never seen it openly displayed.

I moved here in '83 and you could buy porn along sukumvit and in Pattaya with no problem, Yes back then it was not fully displayed but here were cardboard covers stating PORN.

its only in the past few years since is has so openly been in ur face. Know idea what has made it more acceptable to the general public but, Its all about $$$

[kropotkin]

And think about this: Vendors do this out in the open.........

Not only do they sell this, but they obviously do not worry about possible legal consequences!

[Lammbock]

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I am actually shocked by this.

Same here!

[farangpattaya]

There is another, more sinister, side to this. These vendors are trying to make a living selling what people want to buy. If people weren't buying the vendors wouldn't be selling. The people making these movies would still be making them even if people weren't selling and buying them.

It is the nastier side of the human condition.

I have just noticed that there are 172 people viewing this topic and wonder why.

Maybe to find out, what kind of funny posts were released.............if nobody buys the dvd's, nobody will sell them either, and after a pretty short while, production will stop too.

[yom07]

Im sure many of us have bought the latest hollywood from these stalls, but i for would would be happy to have to pay for originals movie releases to get this god awful stuff of the streets for good, in fact i will no longer buy movies from these vendors from now on!

And with a decent internet connection, you can download any of them anyway. Forget the hassle of facing those guys, opt for home delivery through your favorite torrent client.

[scorecard]

The only thing I find surprising is that other people are surprised. Child porn is sold by all those creepy porn peddlers in Pantip and no one seems to care. Thailand is a society where men can do what they like sexually as long as they pay for it and women either support the right of men to do this or turn a blind eye to it. There are underage prostitutes in every neighbourhood all over Thailand. It's sickening, but is it really something you didn't know about?

Another twist of this point is the poor rubbish collector man who was recently fined 131,000Baht for trying to sell 10 old (non porn) videos at 10Baht each.

But now, in Bangkok Post, we see a picture showing hundreds of child porn covers on open display on a 'sanctioned' stand on a busy main street.

Complicity and double standards abound.

A friend just told me it's on another webboard that the are several such open stalls on Sukhumvit Road and they have been there for at least 6 months.

[PhuketRam]

This might indicate different police districts,'' said the officer. ''Silom Road is under the jurisdiction of Bangrak police station and has a different set of rules from the Lumpini station, which has jurisdiction over Sukhumvit Road.''

But surely there is just One Law

"To distribute or exhibit obscene materials is a criminal offence under Section 287 of the penal code of Thailand with the punishment not exceeding three years' imprisonment or fine not exceeding 6,000baht

The fine does not fit the crime...

I too have seen and purchased off the beach rd in Pattaya, there is only a hand full of vendors and yes there are straight and gay porn on display but i have never seen or been offered child porn or anything that resembles anything illegal (apart from the copyright crime, which no one is really apposed to)

I do not see Thai Porn as that is not a fine but a jail sentence which is stiffer than the Section 287.

If child porn is displayed in BKK i am sure the authorities will take action

[JibJab]

It's the mention of "influential people" in a story that always has me reaching for the sick bag. Isn't there anybody in this country wielding a bigger stick so to speak with the morals and clout to bury these cancerous cockroaches?

No

[Redr0m]

If they allow this on the bussiest part of Sukhumvit, i wonder what they allow in the small dark subsois! :|

Im in Chock!

[aussiejosh]

I love all the people on their high horses. I noticed this a few months back in Pattaya, I am surprised it took so long to get here. In pattaya the first one I noticed was out the front of the police station on the beach road, they were having a free community show on at the time and I couldn't believe the vendor was set up selling child pornography RIGHT THERE.

[perryjr2]

Pedophiles are predators, and children are the only thing that satisfy their appetites. Anyone associated with producing, supplying, using this garbadge should be punished swifly and severely. I think most Thai people abhor this and would agree that something needs to be done immediately by the authorities.

[sfm]

Ah, one more story about Thailand and child porn, finding fertile ground in people's prejudice.

Nobody I know with frequent access to Sukhumvit's stands have seen it, but "everybody knows", right?

Reminds me of the story about Pattaya Orphanage, that was swallowed raw by most of the world.

Pirated box-office movies, TV-series, software, MP3, Camagra, toys, even weapons, counterfeit brandnames. I have seen it all. Haven't you?

Child porn? Never, and none of my friends living in the area have. Have you?

The freelance journalist is surely happy to see his article on the front page.

Google for "maxmilian wechsler" and you will see some pertinent stuff come up.

http://www.historycooperative.org/proceedings/asslh2/deery.html

None of the stuff in the article is verifyable. "Somebody" called in, "an ambassador" stated...

Myself, and most of my friends - and most Thai people - would get real angry if this was displayed and make a hard time for the stand.

But none of them have seen it. Strange? Not at all. You can see dozens of documentaries about how readily children are available here.

Great stuff, drawing large attention. A great income for the reporters. Congratulations to Mr. Wechler for one more hit.

Shame on Bangkok Post and shame on the people who eats it all raw.

Did you?

[dsspiral]

allowing this kind of stuff to be openly sold is pretty vile.

allowing it to be "covertly" sold is pretty vile too!!!!

[fxe1200]

Thai people you know?

whome you recognize you mean.

Lets face it....according to euro standards most of the thai people I recognize have a personality disorder.

NOT because they are born with it, but because they make there ego the most important issue in the world.This public outcry is a farce for the most part, in any "normal' functional society this sort of shit wouldnt be on public in the first place.

wake up and face Thai reality(show)

From my experience most of the Thai folks suffer from the Dunning-Kruger effect, but I would not call it a personal disorder, as we find this in other countries as well, but IMHO to a lesser extent

Edited October 4, 2010 by fxe1200

[garyinthailand]

But surely there is just One Law

If child porn is displayed in BKK i am sure the authorities will take action

Welcome to the Land of Selective Enforcement.

[beammeup]

Ah, one more story about Thailand and child porn, finding fertile ground in people's prejudice.

Nobody I know with frequent access to Sukhumvit's stands have seen it, but "everybody knows", right?

Reminds me of the story about Pattaya Orphanage, that was swallowed raw by most of the world.

Pirated box-office movies, TV-series, software, MP3, Camagra, toys, even weapons, counterfeit brandnames. I have seen it all. Haven't you?

Child porn? Never, and none of my friends living in the area have. Have you?

The freelance journalist is surely happy to see his article on the front page.

Google for "maxmilian wechsler" and you will see some pertinent stuff come up.

http://www.historycooperative.org/proceedings/asslh2/deery.html

None of the stuff in the article is verifyable. "Somebody" called in, "an ambassador" stated...

Myself, and most of my friends - and most Thai people - would get real angry if this was displayed and make a hard time for the stand.

But none of them have seen it. Strange? Not at all. You can see dozens of documentaries about how readily children are available here.

Great stuff, drawing large attention. A great income for the reporters. Congratulations to Mr. Wechler for one more hit.

Shame on Bangkok Post and shame on the people who eats it all raw.

Did you?

Have you been reading the posts?? I have seen it as have others, Its discusting. If you do see it what exactly will you do about it?

[cup-O-coffee]

"Vile, disgusting, dirty ^%%#$@!, reaching for the sick bag, cancerous cockroaches, another level of depravity, another, more sinister, side to this, the nastier side of the human condition, severe and scary, filth, sh1t, Disgusted, twisted logic, warped, little, if any morality, this sort of filth, the nasty farang, personality disorder, this sort of shit, god awful stuff, Flabbergasted, these scum buckets, castration against these low-lifes, stretch them low and cut them (off)!, "Sickos", sickening, criminal enterprises, Pretty vile stuff, shyt, sickening, shocked, sad commentary on the morals, greed and corruption of the police and all those involved, Disgraceful, mortifies me, abhorrent, lewd, disgusting and disturbing, pathetically cultural, sickening, crosses a line of corruption and depravity that is beyond the pale, sick desires, the lowest of the low, very disturbing,..."

OK, OK, I get it already! Get a grip!

The point being; there is no point.

Nothing new here, except what Westerners think about something that is the norm for these people.

Much ado about nothing.

Do the NGO's know about it, and do they need us to tell them? I do not believe this is necessary, because they do know, and they do nothing except make a huge vacuum noise as the money gets sucked into their coffers. I have strong opinions about NGO's (i.e. "The Lords of Poverty"). Worthless parasites with vocal chords on the backsides of these children.

Do the Thai people know about this, and do they need us to tell them how to live their lives? Absolutely not, but Westerners still don't get it in their clouded thinking. Clearly everything that could be done, has been done (although feebly), and is being done (feebly); and we see results that are not to our tastes. But where is it written that our menu is better than anyone else? Clearly, the Thais don't give a dam_n about what you or the other poster thinks. Their apathy is a clear message that our way of thinking is not acceptable; and we still do not get it. It is ignorantly demonstrated every time this subject comes to our awareness. That is how proud they are, and they will tend to their own chickens. I am not so sure that this hypocritical Western reaction solidifies them against us even more.

Do I believe the Thais could end this overnight, were they to suddenly wake up tomorrow morning and feel like gods? Absolutely. They have the resources and the methods. Do they? Absolutely not. Again, the point being, there is no point. Not here. Not in Thailand. The issue is that we bring our point with us and apply them in a pointless situation.

There are two worlds we are talking about, and so far, all I am reading is about the world I grew up in. The solution is that there is no solution, unless you are willing to replace the entire system with people who think as you do. I stand between the scorners and the doers, and am caught up with what I understand and have accepted about a situation that is both acceptable and appropriate for this culture.

Additionally, there is absolutely nothing I can do about it, because to perform some of these suggested naive and ignorant behaviors in these people's country, would only go so far as to have a Thai trying to fleece me for money in order to "act out" on behalf of my perceived set of morals and ethics. As soon as I hand over the "moral motivation" and turn my back; BOOM! Back to the two thousand, five hundred, fifty three year old group-think.

The ludicrous epitaphs from some of these posts demonstrates the depths of arrogance that Westerners sink to whenever it comes to cultures who go against what Westerners think is best. Westerners still think that using words like the above change illiterate and tribal peoples, and that is sad. Who in Hades are we to scorn the Thais considering our own back yards. We choose to come here and make their country into our country. Not good.

Yeah! I agree with the epitaphs, but know it simply isn't as black and white as that, and to find the answer you have to go back thousands of years, before religions, superstitions, and beliefs were plagiarized to create a supremacist belief system called Christianity.

Not one post was read where the child was placed at the forefront of concern. AGAIN! Only scorn in a seeming effort to vindicate the poster. It is almost as silly as the RIP posts after someone does something absolutely stupid that results in their early demise. Sometimes, human compassion CAN be damaging to the betterment of mankind.

And finally, I scorn the do-gooders and religious zealots who come around to my doorstep, with this parade mentality, and expect me to jump in their rusty pickup truck, and barrel off down the road on a drunken witch hunt, or else!!! Some of these posts demonstrate an "or else" attitude towards posters who simply wish to make a comment that may seem "not in the groove" with Western thinking, and therefore implicates them as pedophiles in the minds of the shotgun-toting, "Let's castrate 'em all if they don't sing our song" mentality, moon shining yokels in the pickup truck.

There is a way to cause change, but this is definitely not the way to do it, and get the respect it deserves. You'll make more enemies than supporters.

[fxe1200]

And think about this: Vendors do this out in the open.........

Not only do they sell this, but they obviously do not worry about possible legal consequences!

here in Hat Yai the vendor will ask you if you are interested, but as I don't do 2D Sex....

[mca]

"Vile, disgusting, dirty ^%%#$@!, reaching for the sick bag, cancerous cockroaches, another level of depravity, another, more sinister, side to this, the nastier side of the human condition, severe and scary, filth, sh1t, Disgusted, twisted logic, warped, little, if any morality, this sort of filth, the nasty farang, personality disorder, this sort of shit, god awful stuff, Flabbergasted, these scum buckets, castration against these low-lifes, stretch them low and cut them (off)!, "Sickos", sickening, criminal enterprises, Pretty vile stuff, shyt, sickening, shocked, sad commentary on the morals, greed and corruption of the police and all those involved, Disgraceful, mortifies me, abhorrent, lewd, disgusting and disturbing, pathetically cultural, sickening, crosses a line of corruption and depravity that is beyond the pale, sick desires, the lowest of the low, very disturbing,..."

OK, OK, I get it already! Get a grip!

The point being; there is no point.

Nothing new here, except what Westerners think about something that is the norm for these people.

Much ado about nothing.

I really couldn't give a shit what is the "norm" for these people. I've got a 7 year old daughter. If it's all much ado about nothing would it be alright if I came and filmed somebody shagging a pre-pubscent member of your family and then flogged the tapes on the streets? Would you be so blase about it then?

[onlooker]

So a lot of posters have seen kiddie porn openly on display in the past. It has disturbed then greatly, yet they haven't felt troubled by it enough to go to the police or tip off a newspaper. Or for that matter to post anything on a discussion board. Until now.

[Jingthing]

Im sure many of us have bought the latest hollywood from these stalls, but i for would would be happy to have to pay for originals movie releases to get this god awful stuff of the streets for good, in fact i will no longer buy movies from these vendors from now on!

And with a decent internet connection, you can download any of them anyway. Forget the hassle of facing those guys, opt for home delivery through your favorite torrent client.

Both are illegal. To be fair, I don't think all DVD vendors deal in the kiddie porn material, and certainly not all are displaying it openly.

[nyles]

There is another, more sinister, side to this. These vendors are trying to make a living selling what people want to buy. If people weren't buying the vendors wouldn't be selling. The people making these movies would still be making them even if people weren't selling and buying them.

It is the nastier side of the human condition.

I have just noticed that there are 172 people viewing this topic and wonder why.

And what about yourself? Normally reading about crime don't make you a crime suspect or?

[Tokay]

How can people on this forum claim this to be such a terrible thing but claim to see it on a daily basis and do nothing about it. Please don't plead ignorant as if you don't know what to do.

Sorry mate, I'm not going to be the next naked falang tossed off a high rise building. Considering this stuff is so in the open and the police see it daily, you can only assume the police are involved in it. It would not exist in the open otherwise.

But, personally, this highly offends me and I would immediately report this if I saw it, and demand a copy of the police report.

Considering the police are probably in on it or at the very least are taking huge pay-offs from them to look the other way, I'm not sure how far that would go. At best, they would remove the DVDs for a day or two and then they would go right back to selling them. You're in a no win situation when such a horrible crime is backed by the police.

In pattaya the first one I noticed was out the front of the police station on the beach road, they were having a free community show on at the time and I couldn't believe the vendor was set up selling child pornography RIGHT THERE.

I rest my case.

Any Rambo types who want to come down and smash the face of the vendors, please send me a PM first so I can go down and film it. 10 to 1 says it will backfire on you and you'll only end up cashing out the vendor as well as the police. If you're lucky, one of Pattaya's sorry excuse for a news company may even report than the kiddy porn belongs to you.

[Jingthing]

There is another, more sinister, side to this. These vendors are trying to make a living selling what people want to buy. If people weren't buying the vendors wouldn't be selling. The people making these movies would still be making them even if people weren't selling and buying them.

It is the nastier side of the human condition.

I have just noticed that there are 172 people viewing this topic and wonder why.

And what about yourself? Normally reading about crime don't make you a crime suspect or?

Clearly suggesting that reading about this is suspect is a blatant troll tactic, but here we are responding to it.