At Least Three Dead In Bomb Blast At Bangkok Apartment Building

[lingyaiyai]

An intelligence source told 1 of our reporters that electric circuits and coolant storage container were found at the scene. /via @tulsathit

So a 'fridge was damaged then.

[philw]

Looks like it was the reds after all - here comes the damage limitation exercise.

Interesting how TF is immediately jumping to the defence even before the bombers or victims have been ID'd.

??

What have you smoked today? Getting amused about the ignorance of people talking about "urea" is damage limitation exercise or defence?

Questioning that is was ammoniumnitrate and explaining some facts about it is now interpreted as "damage limitation exercise" or "defence".

You have got a vivid fantasy indeed.

It is futile to speculate because without evidence it could have been gas, a bomb, solvent fumes, a dust explosion, TNT, Dynamite, Nitroglycerine, RDX, C4, Semtex, Hexamethylene triperoxidediamine, Acetone peroxide, gunpowder... - you name it.

Thank you.

Good one !!

phil

[Insight]

Looks like it was the reds after all - here comes the damage limitation exercise.

Interesting how TF is immediately jumping to the defence even before the bombers or victims have been ID'd.

??

What have you smoked today? Getting amused about the ignorance of people talking about "urea" is damage limitation exercise or defence?

Questioning that is was ammoniumnitrate and explaining some facts about it is now interpreted as "damage limitation exercise" or "defence".

You have got a vivid fantasy indeed.

It is futile to speculate because without evidence it could have been gas, a bomb, solvent fumes, a dust explosion, TNT, Dynamite, Nitroglycerine, RDX, C4, Semtex, Hexamethylene triperoxidediamine, Acetone peroxide, gunpowder... - you name it.

Talking of vivid fantasies, care to name your source of this "urea" theory? You mentioned the specialists were discussing it.

Latest from Twitter says It's likely to be C4 or TNT.

[Buchholz]

Getting amused about the ignorance of people talking about "urea"

The only person (singular) "talking about urea" is Police Major-General Rangsiman Brahminkun. Perhaps you could email him your informative post and let him know how "ignorant" he is.

[TallForeigner]

I'd go with the dust explosion. I heard that they hadn't had a cleaner in for a while.

Well, many people underestimate the destructive power of dust explosions...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1XmPYXRjZ4

[IAMSOBAD]

TF was there and personally took all the police photos and all the interviews for his book entitled I Saw Red!

Copies are available in vivid color.

[Insight]

Well it's good we got one bomb expert sympathetic to the red cause with us anyway...

[george]

Update:

Three dead in bomb blast at apartment near Bangkok: police

BANGKOK, October 5, 2010 (AFP) - A bomb ripped through an apartment building on the outskirts of Bangkok Tuesday, killing at least three people, Thai police said.

The blast -- believed to have occurred in a room on the second floor of the residential complex in Nonthaburi Province north of Bangkok -- shattered windows and damaged nearby buildings.

"It was definitely a bomb. We cannot say what type of bomb it is yet ... But it was a massive bomb because it damaged a large area," said national police spokesman Major General Prawut Tawornsiri.

"We have found three bodies at the scene, but (the death toll) could be more. We had to stop searching as we're afraid that the building may collapse," he said.

It was unclear whether the blast was planned.

The explosion came hours after Thailand extended a controversial state of emergency in Nonthaburi and three other provinces, including Bangkok, in the wake of deadly street protests and a series of grenade blasts in the capital.

The government has stepped up security following a string of grenade attacks in Bangkok, including a blast at a bus stop in July that killed a man.

The emergency laws were introduced in the capital in early April in response to mass anti-government rallies by the "Red Shirt" movement that ultimately left 91 people dead in clashes between demonstrators and the army.

The rules ban public gatherings of more than five people and give security forces the right to detain suspects for 30 days without charge.

-- (c) Copyright AFP 2010-10-05

[TallForeigner]

The only person (singular) "talking about urea" is Police Major-General Rangsiman Brahminkun. Perhaps you could email him your informative post and let him know how "ignorant" he is.

Maybe I should do that...or talk to the translator.

However I still would expect from a reasonably intelligent human being to not blindly repeat such crap in his posts without questioning it.

Edited October 5, 2010 by TallForeigner

[dumpling]

Just when the authorities are having some trouble to keep justifying the State of Emergency, along comes another bomb explosion to underline how wise they are to keep it. It's lucky that the powers that be take such good care of their subjects. Otherwise the country could descend into chaos so easily.

This is bad news which ever way you paint it people dead and injured my condolences.

Just one thought, if this was a bomb factory or arms cache of some sort then it paints a bleak picture and makes me wonder what is being planned for the future?

Only a couple of posts back I commented on the last bombing mentioning that they would have to step things up to make the international media these days and it looks like that could have been on the cards I hope this is a tragic accident and not the act of wanna be terrorist.

[TallForeigner]

Well it's good we got one bomb expert sympathetic to the red cause with us anyway...

You are right, it helps a lot to have a basic military training and a good knowledge of these matters. At least I understand what is plausible and what not; I know well which substances and which devices can do what and how to handle them. This helps to understand what is going on and to discriminate between serious information, facts, fables, myths, lies and propaganda.

[Insight]

Well it's good we got one bomb expert sympathetic to the red cause with us anyway...

You are right, it helps a lot to have a basic military training and a good knowledge of these matters. At least I understand what is plausible and what not; I know well which substances and which devices can do what and how to handle them. This helps to understand what is going on and to discriminate between serious information, facts, fables, myths, lies and propaganda.

Did they teach you how to spread them too?

Edited October 5, 2010 by Insight

[Buchholz]

The only person (singular) "talking about urea" is Police Major-General Rangsiman Brahminkun. Perhaps you could email him your informative post and let him know how "ignorant" he is.

Maybe I should do that...or talk to the translator.

However I still would expect from a reasonably intelligent human being to not blindly repeat such crap in his posts without questioning it.

In that case, you should send a copy of your email to Police Major-General Rangsiman Brahminkun to the Post Today newspaper which wrote the information. I'm sure they, too, would be pleased to learn of your information and for the opportunity to be called "ignorant" as much as the Major-General would.

[Bagwan]

Does anybody else find it suspicious that the building owner doesn't know who rented the room? TIT. Surely some ID had to be shown and a photocopy made. 

If BiB cannot find the renter of the room maybe it is because there are bits of him all over the place?

[Buchholz]

Breaking news

Thailand explosion kills three in Bangkok suburb

At least three people have been killed and nine injured in an explosion at an apartment complex in a Bangkok suburb. Police said the blast was likely to have been caused by a large bomb, but were unable to confirm details. There was no immediate explanation why the six-floor block in Nonthaburi province might have been a target.

"It was definitely a bomb. We cannot say what type of bomb it is yet," Major General Prawut Tawornsiri told the AFP news agency.

"But it was a massive bomb because it damaged a large area." Early reports suggested that the blast was large enough to have been caused by as much as 50kg of explosives. Police were assessing the building to see if it was in danger of collapsing, reports said, and were investigating whether the explosion could have been caused by explosives detonated accidentally.

"It is possible they were storing an explosive device for an operation and it exploded prematurely," Reuters news agency quoted one police official as saying.

Continues:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11478509

-- BBC 2010-10-05

[Buchholz]

First Blast Victim Identified

The first victim of the Nonthaburi bomb blast has been identified as Apirak Sajjabunlukit.

He was an employee at the nearby fishing dock who was in his room on the second floor of the building when the bomb exploded.

His body was thrown ten meters.

-- Tan Network 2010-10-05

[pgangeles]

Matichon web said police chief Wichien has been told of theory of a bombmaker's error causing "premature" explosion. /via @tulsathit

One can only hope the theory becomes fact.

One has to be unwell or abnormal to make a comment like that.

"One can only hope the theory becomes fact."

The problems are big enough already without people seemingly enjoying their expansion.

He's enjoying the fact that if a bomb did go off, better it should happen to the bomb maker. I don't think he is "unwell or abnormal". Unfortunately, good lives were lost in the process.

[RKASA]

Matichon web said police chief Wichien has been told of theory of a bombmaker's error causing "premature" explosion. /via @tulsathit

One can only hope the theory becomes fact.

Some how I feel that if it is a gas problem - its better for all concerned.

[Buchholz]

Apparently they have announced four are dead now.

http://www.khaosod.co.th/view_newsonline.php?newsid=TVRJNE5qSTRNekkyTVE9PQ==&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

[TAWP]

Listen up! The explosives specialists are talking and coming even up with "urea"....

Urea is a fertilizer and absolutely harmless; it is as explosive and as flammable as your table salt...

Ammoniumnitrate is also a fertilizer but it also has certain explosive properties. However what people always forget is that you can't just detonate Ammoniumnitrate by accident unless you have a fire under many tens or hundreds of tons of compressed AN. It is not sensitive at all and it requires a very strong initiation by a strong blasting cap and a strong booster charge of high explosives before it can be detonated. If you are able to bring it to an explosion its strength is about 1/3 of that of military high explosives. Mixing it with Diesel yields a higher detonation temperature and a larger fireball but it doesn't increase its sensitivity - but you must know exactly what you are doing and you must mix it very thoroughly. Mixing it with aluminium powder will further increase the explosion temperature but it doesn't make it significantly stronger and it doesn't increase it's sensitivity - and there is still the requirement of a strong blasting cap and massive booster charge.

Let's not speculate about bombs and explosives and estimates of quantities of explosives before there is any evidence that it was caused by a bomb or by explosives and it can be clearly excluded that it was not a gas explosion. Remember how many houses have been destroyed worldwide by gas explosions.

We know why you would like to deflect any bomb-maker scenario from being the cause of this explosion.

(Ammonium Nitrate is an equivalent to Salt Peter (Potassium nitrate) in home-making recipes.)

It decomposes at temperatures above 200 degrees Celsius but if it contains impurities this will lower the temperature point when heat is being generated.

One can create Amatol from mixing Ammonium Nitrate and TNT at a 8:2 ratio. It has a higher explosive yield than TNT alone.

From the book:

"Amatol is used as the main bursting charge in artillery shells and bombs. Amatol absorbs moisture and can form dangerous compounds with copper and brass. Therefore, it should not be housed in containers of such metals."

and

"Ammonium nitrate is a very powerful but insensitive high­order explosive. It could be made very easily by pouring nitric acid into a large flask in an ice bath. Then, by simply pouring household ammonia into the flask and running away, ammonium nitrate would be formed. After the materials have stopped reacting, one would simply have to leave the solution in a warm place until all of the water and any unneutralized ammonia or acid have evaporated. There would be a fine powder formed, which would be ammonium nitrate. It must be kept in an airtight container, because of its tendency to pick up water from the air. The crystals formed in the above process would have to be heated VERY gently to drive off the remaining water."

Oh, and so you know, the home-made bomb that Timothy McVeigh detonated was used using Ammonium Nitrate:

"They loaded 108 bags of high-grade ammonium nitrate fertilizer weighing 50 pounds (23 kg) each, three 55-U.S.-gallon (46 imp gal; 210 l) drums of liquid nitromethane, several crates of explosive Tovex, seventeen bags of ANFO, and spools of shock tube and cannon fuse into a Ryder rental truck."

Edited October 5, 2010 by TAWP

[tpthai2]

At 11:15 Tuesday night my Thai co-worker, listening to Thai news in the office, told me Thai news was reporting it was C-4 and estimated at 14 kilos.

Traces of C-4 can be determined rather quickly. Blast analysis at 14 kilos is possible under expert

analysis I assume?

That's report I received Tuesday night.

[mommysboy]

[meth lab or cooking with LPG but i am sure the truth wont get in the way of a terriost fabrication

time will see

Could a meth lab or LPG barbecue do that?

[TAWP]

[meth lab or cooking with LPG but i am sure the truth wont get in the way of a terriost fabrication

time will see

Could a meth lab or LPG barbecue do that?

Seeing the picture from the site ( http://yfrog.com/j5qewcj ) I would have to say 'no' on a Meth lab being able to cause it. That would have to be waaaay to big dosages being done, even if they tried to create it using the shake'n'bake method.

[Alboy666]

Probably a bomb factory that blew up. I guess that Takki Shinegra and his Red Shirts can add the losses to their long list of members lost in their war against the thai government.

Let´s all hope that the bombers will be re-born as soi-dogs.

And you're probably not that bright, but then there's no qualifications needed to enter fantasy land

[rubl]

[meth lab or cooking with LPG but i am sure the truth wont get in the way of a terriost fabrication

time will see

Could a meth lab or LPG barbecue do that?

No idea, but assume both would leave rather obvious trails

[hyperdimension]

Listen up! <snip>

Looks like it was the reds after all - here comes the damage limitation exercise.

Interesting how TF is immediately jumping to the defence even before the bombers or victims have been ID'd.

He is a supporter of terrorists as we have known for a while. Now it seems that he could even be an explosives consultant to the UDD terrorist organization.

[Siam Simon]

Listen up! <snip>

Looks like it was the reds after all - here comes the damage limitation exercise.

Interesting how TF is immediately jumping to the defence even before the bombers or victims have been ID'd.

He is a supporter of terrorists as we have known for a while. Now it seems that he could even be an explosives consultant to the UDD terrorist organization.

Another open-mouth-before-engaging-brain idiot putting TV at risk of being dragged into a libel case with crazy personal accusations .

[bangkokbruce]

Just another day in the Land of Sorrow:whistling:

[Chris Lawrence]

EXPLOSION

Powerful explosion hits a Nonthaburi building, killing 3

A powerful blast rocks a five-story building in Nonthaburi's Bang Bua Thong district on Monday evening.

Reports of death and injured could not be confirmed.

A police spokesman claimed that three were killed including a woman and many others wounded.

Police said the explosion started at the second floor of the building.

A fire broke out in the building after the explosion. The impact of the explosion that shattered windows of adjacent buildings caused panic that the building could be collapsed.

The injured people were rushed to hospitals nearby.

-- The Nation 2010-10-05

I believe the word wounded sounds like a mortar attack on the army? Should the word be injured?

A terrible thing to happen.

[webfact]

UPDATE

Terror In Suburbs

By The Nation

A powerful explosion ripped through an apartment in Nonthaburi yesterday, killing at least three and injuring nine others; police find traces of explosives and bomb parts at the scene

A powerful explosion ripped off an apartment in Nonthaburi's Bang Bua Thong district yesterday evening, killing at least three people at the scene, and wounding nine others, including two in serious conditions.

The blast went off from Room 202 of five-storey Samarn Metta Mansion, located near Bang Bua Thong market and not far Thipphawan housing estate, at around 6 pm, sending a tremor and causing a small fire and the walls to break down, and threatening a collapse due to heavy structual damage.

Police have initially estimated the blast stemmed from TNT explosives, possibly stored in the room, at a size no less than 50 kg, but did not yet declare the incident as an act of terrorism.

The explosion took place hours just the Cabinet yesterday extended the state of emergency, in many provinces including Nonthaburi.

Matichon reported an overheard statement reported to police chief Wichean Potephosree that the room was a weapons storage and SpringNews cable television reported that there was a community radio station located within the apartment building.

Pol Maj General Sriwara Rangsiphramanakul reportedly told Wichean through phone conversations that a large number of explosives was possibly stored in the room and the explosion could have occurred during bomb assembly works. The acting Regional Police Bureau 1 later said later in a press interview that if not TNT, the explosives could be based on fertiliser-based material, which was equivalent to TNT no less than 50 kg.

The explosion blasted away many walls on the second floor where Room 202 was located, sending down the debris to pile on top of two vehicles damaging them. The tremor caused by the blast caused damage to nearby installation including a restaurant Thep Fishery Pier.

A senior security source told The Nation that a large number of electrical circuits and air-conditioner coolant tanks were found at the scene.

Two bodies were found in the room and a leg was seen hanging by the building in television reports. One body was later found in a nearby townhouse not far from the restaurant. Among all three dead Victims is identified as Aphirak Sajjabamjongjit, by SpringNews, while playing a video game on the second floor.

Apartment owner Samarn Mettabunprasert said two men and one woman rented the room about a month ago, under the name of Samai Wongsuwan. They were seen travelling used a golden Toyota pickup truck with a Narathiwat license plate. Their whereabouts were not known and police did not yet conclude if they were the dead victims.

Among those sustaining injuries is a seven-year-old boy, who underwent an emergency brain surgery last night following his caved-in skull resulting from the blast. A three-year-old girl has cut wounds to her back after being hit by shattered glasses, according to her father Anon Namphan.

The Emergency Medical Institute of Thailand (EMIT) reported nine cases of injuries including four in serious conditions at press time. Two of them were later announced safe and discharged from the hospitals.

-- The Nation 2010-10-06