At Least Three Dead In Bomb Blast At Bangkok Apartment Building

[ppmacready]

Probably a bomb factory that blew up. I guess that Takki Shinegra and his Red Shirts can add the losses to their long list of members lost in their war against the thai government.

Let´s all hope that the bombers will be re-born as soi-dogs.

I thought the Red Shirts said on the BBC, that they would start bombing in November.Unlike Thais to be on time , let alone early.

[Just1Voice]

1st - Condolences to the families of those who died, and hope for a speedy recovery of those who were injured.

2nd - Until a thorough investigation is conducted by a (hopefully) qualified forensic team, we don't really know what caused the explosion.

3rd - Quickly jumping on the "Takki did it" bandwagon not only shows ignorance, but could very well open the door for slander, libel and defamation of character law suits.

4th - Let's wait till all the facts come out before we make our conclusions and judgments.

[chainarong]

Looks to me, in my humble opinion, a gas explosion, that will rock ya socks off, the environment Thailand is in at the moment, no one can be blamed for thinking the worst. .

[OzMick]

Listen up! The explosives specialists are talking and coming even up with "urea"....

Urea is a fertilizer and absolutely harmless; it is as explosive and as flammable as your table salt...

Ammoniumnitrate is also a fertilizer but it also has certain explosive properties. However what people always forget is that you can't just detonate Ammoniumnitrate by accident unless you have a fire under many tens or hundreds of tons of compressed AN. It is not sensitive at all and it requires a very strong initiation by a strong blasting cap and a strong booster charge of high explosives before it can be detonated. If you are able to bring it to an explosion its strength is about 1/3 of that of military high explosives. Mixing it with Diesel yields a higher detonation temperature and a larger fireball but it doesn't increase its sensitivity - but you must know exactly what you are doing and you must mix it very thoroughly. Mixing it with aluminium powder will further increase the explosion temperature but it doesn't make it significantly stronger and it doesn't increase it's sensitivity - and there is still the requirement of a strong blasting cap and massive booster charge.

Let's not speculate about bombs and explosives and estimates of quantities of explosives before there is any evidence that it was caused by a bomb or by explosives and it can be clearly excluded that it was not a gas explosion. Remember how many houses have been destroyed worldwide by gas explosions.

Here a video of about 50kg of ammoniumnitrate initiated by a massive booster charge:

First point; Urea "Urea nitrate has a destructive power similar to ammonium nitrate." Source http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/explosives-anfo.htm

Second point; Ammonium nitrate will explode under relatively low levels of heat and pressure. I can't find a reference, but some 30 years ago I worked (for 8 years) in an Ammonia and ammonium nitrate plant. I recall a newspaper article describing an explosion caused when a wheel bearing fire ignited a truck load of AN fertilizer from our plant. Over the rear wheels, the pallets were stacked 3 high, 5 layers per pallet. the resulting explosion destroyed the truck to the extent that the engine was thrown hundreds of meters away from the site

There was a 2nd article referring to a much older and larger explosion in Germany or Poland where AN had been stacked out and developed a typical hard crust. Small charges were laid to crack the crust, exploding the stockpile and causing devastation. BTW there is no chemical difference between AN fertilizer and explosive. The physical difference is that the prill (ball) sizeof explosive is kept to much closer tolerances. This allows for a more even explosion.

[lopburi3]

A morning newspapers has the room believed to be rented to a Chiang Mai man who is also suspected to have been the person placing car bomb at Poseidon April 5.

[Buchholz]

A morning newspapers has the room believed to be rented to a Chiang Mai man who is also suspected to have been the person placing car bomb at Poseidon April 5.

not dissimilar...

The Nation - April 6, 2010

Meanwhile, at the Poseidon complex, eyewitnesses told police that a 40-year-old male had parked the vehicle in front of the complex at about 9pm and left without giving the keys to the valet, as is the procedure. The bomb went off shortly after midnight, shattering windows and injuring a staff member nearby. The explosion tore the vehicle in half and caught fire before being put out.

Though security camera footage is available, the images were too dark and needed to be enhanced, the police said.

Police say the Honda Civic, in which the bomb was hidden, had been bought from a used car dealer in Chiang Mai, police said, adding that a woman originally owned the car. The vehicle was bought by someone on March 3, but not registered yet. Police officers believe the explosion was probably caused by about 3-kilogram of TNT, planted in front of the driver's seat, being detonated by a digital alarm clock.

[toybits]

YES! I concur. There was no mention of BOMB in any of the articles quoted. Only in the the thread was BOMB ever mentioned. This is very misleading and evokes unnecessary tension and suspicion.

An explosion can be caused by an accident - e.g. Helium Baloon going off during a parade, an overheated boiler. These accidents were not malicious. However, a bomb set off to harm or cause damage is a different matter. While the cause of the EXPLOSION has not been determined, perhaps it would be more prudent for the administration of TV to refrain from using the word BOMB.

yes no mention of a bomb aside from the thread title. well done TV

[toybits]

Referring to the underlined text below - A gas leak could have easily caused that to happen. But that is my non-expert opinion. I base this on watching movies like Mr. and Mrs. Smith. 555

UPDATE

Terror In Suburbs

By The Nation

A powerful explosion ripped through an apartment in Nonthaburi yesterday, killing at least three and injuring nine others; police find traces of explosives and bomb parts at the scene

A powerful explosion ripped off an apartment in Nonthaburi's Bang Bua Thong district yesterday evening, killing at least three people at the scene, and wounding nine others, including two in serious conditions.

The blast went off from Room 202 of five-storey Samarn Metta Mansion, located near Bang Bua Thong market and not far Thipphawan housing estate, at around 6 pm, sending a tremor and causing a small fire and the walls to break down, and threatening a collapse due to heavy structual damage.

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-- The Nation 2010-10-06

[johncat1]

Quote : Police claimed the explosion broke out in a room on the second floor of the Saman Mettha Apartment building at about 6am.

How can an explosion " break out " ? Where there more explosions or was this a very long one ?

A fire breaks out because it spreads BUT an explosion is only in one place.

Quote : The impact of the explosion caused panic that the building could be collapsed.

Collapsed by whom ?

Should read " The impact of the explosion caused panic that the building could collapse. "

I don't think I will bother reading " The Nation " if their English is that bad

[capKnuckle]

Bad news, although there is no confirmation it is actually a bomb yet I guess with all the recent troubles we can assume that is was...and if so, it's the worst yet and not a good sign.

would you be happier if it was a water gun that blew up and killed people??????????????

[whybother]

YES! I concur. There was no mention of BOMB in any of the articles quoted. Only in the the thread was BOMB ever mentioned. This is very misleading and evokes unnecessary tension and suspicion.

An explosion can be caused by an accident - e.g. Helium Baloon going off during a parade, an overheated boiler. These accidents were not malicious. However, a bomb set off to harm or cause damage is a different matter. While the cause of the EXPLOSION has not been determined, perhaps it would be more prudent for the administration of TV to refrain from using the word BOMB.

yes no mention of a bomb aside from the thread title. well done TV

If you had posted that 12 hours ago you may have been right. But since then there have been several statements by police indicating that it was a suspected bomb.

[capKnuckle]

Quote : Police claimed the explosion broke out in a room on the second floor of the Saman Mettha Apartment building at about 6am.

How can an explosion " break out " ? Where there more explosions or was this a very long one ?

A fire breaks out because it spreads BUT an explosion is only in one place.

Quote : The impact of the explosion caused panic that the building could be collapsed.

Collapsed by whom ?

Should read " The impact of the explosion caused panic that the building could collapse. "

I don't think I will bother reading " The Nation " if their English is that bad

good!

you think their pay rates can attract top quality grammer peeple? for gods sake. you peeple are of dubious quality........at best:lol: :lol:

[johncat1]

I'm not back until May, I hope I don't miss all the action.

Though this time my move should be permanent

You sound like a right arsehol_e Probably one of the stupid farangs that demonstrated with the Reds earlier this year

Don't worry I am sure The Thai police will be keeping an eye on you to make sure you " don't miss all the action. "

We don't need your type here please don't bother moving here because you give us good farangs a bad name !!

[Buchholz]

I don't think I will bother reading " The Nation " if their English is that bad

I always enjoy reading posts that complain about the use of improper English, because it seems invariable that there is improper English in their post.

Where there more explosions or was this a very long one ?

thanks for a bit of levity in this otherwise deadly serious thread.

Edited October 6, 2010 by Buchholz

[Xangsamhua]

Manager Online reports that .... 4 people have died 10 are injured.... A CD entitled รัฐไทยใหม่ "New Thai State (or Government)" was found in the room ... The room was rented to Mr Samai Wongsawan from Hang Dong, Chiangmai. Police are tring to make contact with him.

http://www.manager.c...D=9530000140149

Edited October 6, 2010 by Xangsamhua

[Tywais]

Helium Baloon going off during a parade

[johncat1]

I don't think I will bother reading " The Nation " if their English is that bad

I always enjoy reading posts that complain about the use of improper English, because it seems invariable that there is improper English in their post.

Where there more explosions or was this a very long one ?

thanks for a bit of levity in this otherwise deadly serious thread.

It was a tongue in cheek reply lol But I agree with your comment "

I always enjoy reading posts that complain about the use of improper English, because it seems invariable that there is improper English in their post. " ha ha ha

[Insight]

Listen up! <snip>

Looks like it was the reds after all - here comes the damage limitation exercise.

Interesting how TF is immediately jumping to the defence even before the bombers or victims have been ID'd.

He is a supporter of terrorists as we have known for a while. Now it seems that he could even be an explosives consultant to the UDD terrorist organization.

Another open-mouth-before-engaging-brain idiot putting TV at risk of being dragged into a libel case with crazy personal accusations .

Care to advise where in the world this libel court is which accepts cases bought against online personas? I'm sure it must get very busy...

[Humphrey Bear]

Listen up! The explosives specialists are talking and coming even up with "urea"....

Urea is a fertilizer and absolutely harmless; it is as explosive and as flammable as your table salt...

Ammoniumnitrate is also a fertilizer but it also has certain explosive properties. However what people always forget is that you can't just detonate Ammoniumnitrate by accident unless you have a fire under many tens or hundreds of tons of compressed AN.

Sorry, but having been a quarry-master and used ANFO when other explosives are unavailable, I can assure you that it explodes very well. Timothy McVey would confirm this if he could.

Urea is also recognised as a component of explosives, esp. when in a prilled form (small granules). To make ANFO is tricky, one must add the small amount of diesel necessary at a controlled rate with very careful stirring. It will heat up, which is controlled by the slowness of adding the other components. It's flash point is low, but then it usually just ignites and burns, it does not explode. As you said, an igniter (blasting cap or similar) will trigger the explosion, and if the mix is confined in several directions, then the force in an unconfined direction is very impressive.

It is not something to play with, unless you are well trained. (I had NitroNobel training many years ago)

Edited October 6, 2010 by Humphrey Bear

[webfact]

UPDATE: 4 Dead in Nonthaburi Blast

The official death toll in the Nonthaburi blast last night in Bang Bua Thong stands at four. Authorities are now reinforcing the building's foundation so investigators can go in and gather evidence. Theories are rampant that the explosive was in a room on the second floor when it accidentally blew. Official injuries stand at nine, two of which are serious. Reports indicate that a AKA round was found near the bomb site.

The National Police Chief will hold a briefing on the incident this morning at 9 A.M.

-- Tan Network 2010-10-06

[newermonkey]

This somewhat proves to me that the police are not trained, equiped or capable of any sort of investigation because a "trained eye" would know the visual evidence or initial forensic evidence between an LPG gas tank explosion, chemicals such as Ammonium Nitrate, Nitroglycerin or C4 the difference would be very very obvious.

In other countries the police are sent to attend coursed that would give basic training to allow a rapid identification of substances used after a terrorist attack .

I think the police here in Thailand are totally pathetic.

[webfact]

Nonthaburi bomb updates: TR @js100radio: Room 202 tenant Samai Wongsuwan was killed in the blast. He had faced warrant for violating SOE. /via @tulsathit

[warmwater7]

Listen up! The explosives specialists are talking and coming even up with "urea"....

Urea is a fertilizer and absolutely harmless; it is as explosive and as flammable as your table salt...

Ammoniumnitrate is also a fertilizer but it also has certain explosive properties. However what people always forget is that you can't just detonate Ammoniumnitrate by accident unless you have a fire under many tens or hundreds of tons of compressed AN. It is not sensitive at all and it requires a very strong initiation by a strong blasting cap and a strong booster charge of high explosives before it can be detonated. If you are able to bring it to an explosion its strength is about 1/3 of that of military high explosives. Mixing it with Diesel yields a higher detonation temperature and a larger fireball but it doesn't increase its sensitivity - but you must know exactly what you are doing and you must mix it very thoroughly. Mixing it with aluminium powder will further increase the explosion temperature but it doesn't make it significantly stronger and it doesn't increase it's sensitivity - and there is still the requirement of a strong blasting cap and massive booster charge.

Let's not speculate about bombs and explosives and estimates of quantities of explosives before there is any evidence that it was caused by a bomb or by explosives and it can be clearly excluded that it was not a gas explosion. Remember how many houses have been destroyed worldwide by gas explosions.

Here a video of about 50kg of ammoniumnitrate initiated by a massive booster charge:

you would need a " primer" charge" usually use Penalte 1 kilo,cast plastic. a proper trojan blasting cap and approved class "A" fuse and igniter.throw in a bit of det cord for good fun,say 10 m.

Highly unlikely in LOS without professional training,and access to proper materials. the burn rate in this type of device is like a fast match......no real compressive componet to speak of.

we need to have a visual of the damaged structure,to make a semi educated guess as to the proficency of ower team ( if there is one ).

here today,gone today.

[webfact]

Thai Govt Blames Red Shirts For Deadly Bomb Attack

Follow this link:

[newermonkey]

Listen up! The explosives specialists are talking and coming even up with "urea"....

Urea is a fertilizer and absolutely harmless; it is as explosive and as flammable as your table salt...

Ammoniumnitrate is also a fertilizer but it also has certain explosive properties. However what people always forget is that you can't just detonate Ammoniumnitrate by accident unless you have a fire under many tens or hundreds of tons of compressed AN.

Sorry, but having been a quarry-master and used ANFO when other explosives are unavailable, I can assure you that it explodes very well. Timothy McVey would confirm this if he could.

Urea is also recognised as a component of explosives, esp. when in a prilled form (small granules). To make ANFO is tricky, one must add the small amount of diesel necessary at a controlled rate with very careful stirring. It will heat up, which is controlled by the slowness of adding the other components. It's flash point is low, but then it usually just ignites and burns, it does not explode. As you said, an igniter (blasting cap or similar) will trigger the explosion, and if the mix is confined in several directions, then the force in an unconfined direction is very impressive.

It is not something to play with, unless you are well trained. (I had NitroNobel training many years ago)

Here is the list of explosive chemical mixes:

• ANFO – mixed with Fuel Oil
• ANAL– mixed with ALuminum powder
• ANIC – mixed with ICing sugar
• ANNIE – mixed with Nitrobenzine
• ANS – mixed with sugar

Accessories to bomb making that may be present include:

• Absorbents (saw dusts, shredded paper)
• Alchohol
• Aluminum foil
• Heat resistant containers
• Petroleum Jelly
• Protective gloves
• Scales
• Tubing
• Wires

Some sources of chemicals used in bomb making may include very common household items but in unusual volumes. Vinegar is a source of acetic acid. Acetone and Aluminum powder are easily available and precursors of explosive materials. Look for large quantities of fuel oil, sugar, Nitric acid, Potassium chlorate and nitrate. Vehicle batteries are a good source of sulfuric acid; thermometers are a source of mercury. Hydrogen peroxide is readily available and of course, fertilizer – a source for Ammonium nitrate.

[wensiensheng]

Perhaps now the owner of the building will take the trouble to track who is actually renting rooms in his properties. The original report says he didn't know who was renting it! Well, he doesn't want to admit that he knows at least.

[cockneyrebel]

most likely caused by gas ,maybe leaking all night then a half awake person with a poor sense of smell gets up at around the said time to start cooking breakfast, ignite's something ,end off story and gas explosions do make a big mess depending on the mixture of gas and air in the room

[Buchholz]

Matichon web said police chief Wichien has been told of theory of a bombmaker's error causing "premature" explosion. /via @tulsathit

One can only hope the theory becomes fact.

One has to be unwell or abnormal to make a comment like that.

"One can only hope the theory becomes fact."

The problems are big enough already without people seemingly enjoying their expansion.

He's enjoying the fact that if a bomb did go off, better it should happen to the bomb maker. I don't think he is "unwell or abnormal".

and now, it seems to have occurred.

Unfortunately, he took others with him and hurt a number of people that did survive.

Edited October 6, 2010 by Buchholz

[spiderleghead]

bit late now

Perhaps now the owner of the building will take the trouble to track who is actually renting rooms in his properties. The original report says he didn't know who was renting it! Well, he doesn't want to admit that he knows at least.

[Buchholz]

most likely caused by gas ,maybe leaking all night then a half awake person with a poor sense of smell gets up at around the said time to start cooking breakfast, ignite's something ,end off story and gas explosions do make a big mess depending on the mixture of gas and air in the room

*bump* of below post:

If you had posted that 12 hours ago you may have been right. But since then there have been several statements by police indicating that it was a suspected bomb.

but with the modification now updated to "13 hours ago" and "with further indications".