Is There A Doggy Version Of

[Thaddeus]

Got a little bitch here who came into season a few days ago, she's getting on in age now and I don't think she is too keen on having another litter.

She has managed to fend off most of the dogs with a little help from me at times, but when I came out of the shower I saw her in the locked position, wearing a rather pained expression.

Can dogs come into season and still not take, or as the topic asks, is there a morning after pill for her?

[Tywais]

Doing a little searching it appears there is a shot that can be given at the vets.

PS. One comment on the subject indicates it needs to be given within 24 hours of the "event".

[Thaddeus]

Thanks Ty ..... I'll go and see the vet later, but I bet we are stuck with another few mouths to feed.

[sbk]

If you can get a vet to spay immediately after she finishes her heat then you won't have pups to worry about now or in the future. Just be sure to tell the vet, you don't think she is pregnant.

[Thaddeus]

If you can get a vet to spay immediately after she finishes her heat then you won't have pups to worry about now or in the future. Just be sure to tell the vet, you don't think she is pregnant.

Thanks SB, hadn't thought of that, and a gap in my doggy knowledge you may be able to fill for me if you would, she is nearly seven years old now is it safe to spay her at that age, and if we don't how many more years is she going to go in to heat.

(P.S. she isn't really my dog, she came with the house I am in currently and I don't want to tread on any toes)

[Nienke]

If the dog is healthy you can still have her spayed. I would have a full bloodtest (RBC, WBC, platelets, kidney and liver) done before the operation, though.

[Thaddeus]

If the dog is healthy you can still have her spayed. I would have a full bloodtest (RBC, WBC, platelets, kidney and liver) done before the operation, though.

I don't think our local vet will understand half of that, and she's not a water buffalo so won't get the reason why

But, I'll have a quick coffee and go and see him.

(P.S. your multiple posting, I had that, turned out to be a faulty mouse delivering more than one click when pressed)

[Taro]

I had a soi dog spayed after she finished her heat. I waited about 10 days after the dogs stopped following her and then caught her and brought her to the vet. Surgery went ok, no problems.

[Thaddeus]

Well, failed to find the local vet yesterday, he was out and about. So if the little one is with-pup, looks like we will have to put any decision about spaying on hold for the moment, she is very healthy so I am sure she will be able to take it.

[Nienke]

Why not make an appointment for tomorrow morning? Skip food and drink at least 6 hours before the operation.

[Thaddeus]

I can't go without food and drink for six hours! (joke)

Had a chat with the owner of the house this morning and he wasn't too keen on having Tong Daeng's bits fiddled with, so that has become a non-starter.

Nienke, I do know there is an injection that can be administered twice a year to stop a bitch coming into season (I can do that myself) but I have heard that it can have some bad side effects, any advice about that?

[bina]

I can't go without food and drink for six hours! (joke)

Had a chat with the owner of the house this morning and he wasn't too keen on having Tong Daeng's bits fiddled with, so that has become a non-starter.

Nienke, I do know there is an injection that can be administered twice a year to stop a bitch coming into season (I can do that myself) but I have heard that it can have some bad side effects, any advice about that?

that shot is now illegal in many countries; it was very popular in israel and some vets still do it- they import the meds and use them.. but cancer is the main arguement against it. high rates of cancer.

bina

israel

[Thaddeus]

It's still readily available around here B.

But if cancer is a possible side effect that is completely out of the question.

[sbk]

Every dog I gave that injection to died of cancer. If I'd known it was a side effect I never would have used it. Inform the dogs owner that without sterilization the dog will have a drastically shortened life span, and produce two litters a year.

[Mossfinn]

In Sadie's formative year, she joined with Leo and someone advised of the morning after pill, so off I went and duly had her performed on by the vet.

Bambi advised of the dangers of cancer, but the vet did not state any future complications, I am not sure of our options at the time because it would have been too risky for her to carry to full term.

Anyhow, my question is, since then they have not successfully coupled, Sadie does not appear to come on heat for any length of time and I am perhaps putting one and one together, metaphorically speaking in this instance, and making three, hopefully.

Any ideas on what questions I should put to the Vet on Wednesday, to get the best diagnosis?

Moss

[bina]

In Sadie's formative year, she joined with Leo and someone advised of the morning after pill, so off I went and duly had her performed on by the vet.

Bambi advised of the dangers of cancer, but the vet did not state any future complications, I am not sure of our options at the time because it would have been too risky for her to carry to full term.

Anyhow, my question is, since then they have not successfully coupled, Sadie does not appear to come on heat for any length of time and I am perhaps putting one and one together, metaphorically speaking in this instance, and making three, hopefully.

Any ideas on what questions I should put to the Vet on Wednesday, to get the best diagnosis?

Moss

the dogs heat doesnt need to be a lenght of time: she bleeds, then the bleeding stops and u have about 5 days to get her studded... usually every other day from day 9 from the time she starts showing the bleeding... there is a very short windown of oppurtunity its amazing that they actually get pregnant... usually the day she is willing to stand for the male is the appropriate time to mate her... but if she doesnt get pregnant: 1/ get her checked for vaginal/unterine infections,2/make sure the dog is experienced and 'full' (that is, he hasnt been mounting a zillion bitches the same day or previous day, helps im conserve energy and sperm 3/sperm count for the male (easy to do at vets, a little messy and embarrassing but a quick microscope check will tell u whats up)4/make sure u actually know what day your bitch is on, so u can narrow down the time to actually put her with the male.

the natural method is rather hit or miss, especially with pure breds and even more so with mini toys (isnt she a chihuahua?)... also yes, the shot could have got her off kilter... u can always do xray a nd ultra sound just like humans to see whats going on inside, provided u have the funds and the vet with experience and equipment.

lilee in heat as of now but no intact males her size to mate her fortunately, just a weimeraner, so thas a total no how... we'll try next year with a chosen male, especially after her traumatic early birthing, and complications and vet bills that followed. meanwhile, no lhasas added to the dog population.

bina

israel

[Nienke]

I've heard of several females where the heat cycle got totally messed up after the injection with females not coming in heat for 2 or more years.

Next to the increased risk of cancer, there is an increased risk on pyometra (uterus infection).

As SBK already indicated, for a female having 2 litters a year is a huge burden to her health and definitely can shorten her lifespan with many years (you may want to tell to the owner that it can be compared with a woman having a baby every 10 - 12 months) Injections are way to risky. So, spaying is in the case of this female the best (dog-friendly) option.

Good luck with convincing the owner of the need to spay this female. (maybe if you offer to pay for the medical costs and will do the after care, he will be more willing? Just a thought. Sometimes is about the finance, but sometimes the owners are concerned that the operation will cause pain and distress to their dog)

[Thaddeus]

Sometimes is about the finance, but sometimes the owners are concerned that the operation will cause pain and distress to their dog)

Trust me Nienke, with this chap it is definitely not a cost issue (he paid for my last hospital bill and won't let me pay him back) I will try the "it'll make her live longer" tactic.

Thanks to everyone for their input so far.

[phutoie2]

We have a 3 year old female Bang Kaew and she usually gets about 3 of those contraceptive innoculations a year, due one very soon too.

Our local vet who speciality is mainly farm animals gives the jabs and has never mentioned any dangerous side effects.

He seems ok and has looked after our other dog, a Husky too, - mainly with the 'crazy dog jab' as my wife quaintly puts it.

So should I have a word and see what he is putting into her, she appears healthy enough.

PS;- thats the dog!, not the wife

Edited November 7, 2010 by phutoie2

[sbk]

Phutoie2, the two female dogs that received these injections both died of cancer before the age of 7.

The vet I took them to (a small animal vet on Samui btw) said, while not all dogs that get cancer have had these injections most of the dogs that have these injections get cancer. And while your vet may not know about it, that doesn't mean it is not so.

[bina]

large animal vets dont usually know this sort of thing ; and most large animal vets dont really care about long term affects on pet dogs... from personal experience, large animal vets think in more 'economic' lines, i.e. farmers' needs, then the animal's needs, and keeping a bitch from coming in heat is more of a need then worrying about if the family pet gets cancer down the line. also, a farm animal is dispatched with once it is sick or non useful or functional, so cancer in cows, well, cows wouldnt stick around alive for very long... often the opposite with small animal vets; they will do almost anything to save or treat a family pet but for a buck goat, that way of seeing costs too much and most farmers wont go that way.... therefore the different styles of treatment. i still have one vet that is 'old school', he is super cheap, very good but his theory is " give the shot, they get cancer, get them confortable, when its too bad, put them down and get a new puppy'.... im sure thai large animal vets are even more 'old school' then that...

so yes, the injection is listed as a definate cancer causing one.

bina

israel

[Thaddeus]

The reason for me starting this thread has now become unnecessary for me.

I lost a friend yesterday. I have no idea what happened, she was her normal playful self the day before, but when I called them for feed time in the morning her younger brother turned up but she didn't, so I went looking for her. I found her in the outside hong nam, she did like to sleep in there, but this was well beyond sleep, she was cold, still and not breathing.

The only things I can think of that would cause that to happen so quickly is either poison or snake bite.... I'm hoping it was a snake as I would think it would be quicker.

Anyway this thread contains some very useful information, thanks for everyones comments.

[Nienke]

Loosing a loved one is hard, but when it is this sudden and unexpected, it's plain shocking.

I'm very sorry to read about your loss.

Bet she is now dancing around on the great green fields together with all our lost best friends.

[bina]

oy sorry to hear that.. poor thing....... well, at least she had some loving attention from u...

let me knowif u want me to close the thread.....

bina

[sbk]

Not necessarily either of them, Thaddy, poison would show with frothing etc, they do not look peaceful and asleep with poison, same would be snake bite I would think. I had a cat that died this way, woke up to find her on the floor looking asleep, near as we can figure, she had a heart problem and she died in her sleep.

But, as Neinke says, all dogs go to heaven, and she will be in the doggie heaven playing as she deserved.

[Thaddeus]

let me know if u want me to close the thread.....

bina

No, no need for that, way too final.

I caused her human mummy to cry yesterday. I've taken countless photos here, of everything, mainly to send to my family back in the UK, so I nipped in to town and had one framed.

And yes SB and Nienke, she's up there right now, tapping doggy god on his knee to remind him of his only reason to exist, ear tickles