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Thomas_Merton Platinum Member

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What I don't understand - I know getting run out is a bitch - is why Ricky P. threw such a wobbley after his dismissal?

It was excessive, even given the heat of the moment.

He's apologised and of course this is accepted, but there must be some reason why a Captain behaves in such a manner, over and above the emotional.

He believed the poms were cheating, or at least stretching the rules, by resting (rotating) the fast bowlers in the pavilion while using a specialist, fast substitute fielder who ran him out. Of course he should have complained to the umpires before, not after, the event because he now just looks like a pratt.

While I agree with you in principal, I think that the bad umpireing decisions have been pretty even throughout.

It's an interesting point about resting key bowlers/batsmen that could be (and possibly has been) practised by both sides.

Not quite the same, but I personally fear the potentially devastating return of Glenn McGrath and Jason Gillespie after their long "rest".

Bad umpiring deisions are surely the nature of the human game. As often is said - you win some, you lose some; swings and roundabouts - it all evens out in the end.

... Saying that, I do believe that all dismissals should be thouroughly veriacated before a batsman is given out, or not out , in disputed circumstances.

However if the game of Test cricket, with so many prises at stake, has become so important - and hopefully it has - then I believe the authorities ought to take full advantage of all electronic methods available to confirm (or otherwise) umpires' decisions, i.e. placing electrodes in the bat and ball etc..

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He believed the poms were cheating, or at least stretching the rules, by resting (rotating) the fast bowlers in the pavilion while using a specialist, fast substitute fielder who ran him out.

You mean a bit like Pontings tactics with the super-sub in the one dayers. :o

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He believed the poms were cheating, or at least stretching the rules, by resting (rotating) the fast bowlers in the pavilion while using a specialist, fast substitute fielder who ran him out.

You mean a bit like Pontings tactics with the super-sub in the one dayers. :o

That was the rules in the ODIs. It wasn't to be carried through to the pure version of the game.

While I am a little hazy on the rules with the 3rd umpire, I think they can go there for a decision for catches in limited circumstances.

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Aussies 7 down. Katich out. Yet another dodgy lbw by the Paki umpire. The ball pitched well outside leg.

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Aussies 7 down. Katich out. Yet another dodgy lbw by the Paki umpire. The ball pitched well outside leg.

Even the pommy commentator (Atherton) agree Oz has had a very rough trot from the umpires. They showed slow mo replays of a number of dismissals and non dismissals where the umpires got it wrong.

Warne got a rough one too - Jones gloved the ball cleanly on the first grab and effected a stumping. Pieterson just dropped his 6th catch, but Kasper is soon out anyway.

At least its not an innings thrashing.

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I'm getting deja vu all over again! :D

3rd test, Headingly, 1981. England followed on. Fought back. Oz needed 130 to win. Willis took 8/43. Oz lost by 18 runs.

4th test. Trent Bridge, 2005. Oz followed on. Fought back. Eng needs 129 to win! :o

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I'm getting deja vu all over again! :D

3rd test, Headingly, 1981. England followed on. Fought back. Oz needed 130 to win. Willis took 8/43. Oz lost by 18 runs.

4th test. Trent Bridge, 2005.  Oz followed on. Fought back. Eng needs 129 to win! :o

England 103-5....still need 26......... 23.45

21..............23.55

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I'm getting deja vu all over again! :D

3rd test, Headingly, 1981. England followed on. Fought back. Oz needed 130 to win. Willis took 8/43. Oz lost by 18 runs.

4th test. Trent Bridge, 2005.  Oz followed on. Fought back. Eng needs 129 to win! :o

:D

Thomas_Merton Platinum Member

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England scrape win for Ashes lead

FOURTH TEST - MATCH SUMMARY (Trent Bridge, Day 4):

England 477 & 129-7 bt Australia 218 & 387 by 3 wkts

England moved into a 2-1 lead with one match to play in the Ashes after a nerve-wracking three wicket victory.

Is it possible to be better than sublime!!!

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England, 2-1 ahead.

Fantastic. The aussies were talking about a whitewash at the start of the series, how wrong can you get? They can only draw the series now.

More importantly England need only to draw the final Test at The Oval to win the Ashes for the first time since 1986/7 and they deserve them. They have been by far the better side during this series, should be 3-1 up already!

BTW got no nails left, hair pulled to pieces and the hearts been racing well ahead of itself for the last 3 hours tonight. Trent Bridge today was a feast of excitement with cricket the winner.

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Can't believe it seeing loads of young kids playing cricket again on the streets. Not seen that since I was a kid late 60's early 70's

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England, 2-1 ahead.

Fantastic. The aussies were talking about a whitewash at the start of the series, how wrong can you get? They can only draw the series now.

More importantly England need only to draw the final Test at The Oval to win the Ashes for the first time since 1986/7 and they deserve them. They have been by far the better side during this series, should be 3-1 up already!

BTW got no nails left, hair pulled to pieces and the hearts been racing well ahead of itself for the last 3 hours tonight. Trent Bridge today was a feast of excitement with cricket the winner.

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Can't believe it seeing loads of young kids playing cricket again on the streets. Not seen that since I was a kid late 60's early 70's

Yes it.s fantastic isn't it? I can't wait for thursday evening/friday morning when theThai Visa Aussie list of excuses is ready. There is only one excuse they should give though. England are too bloody good. Especially in the captaincy and field setting dept. Good on you lads. As most of us said before a ball was bowled, with all the rubbish said by certain members about the series, we were on a winner from the start. Mind you, I was wrong. I predicted a draw. Come on boys; lets make it 3-1

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Being fair  ...  after 18 years you should get a go :o

It's been a long wait; But watching the victory on a giant screen television, in my own Pub in " The Land of Smiles" somehow made the waiting worthwhile. But if I know you Ozzies, you'll have something to say about it in the final test, although I do believe you're a tad wary of us now :D

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What I don't understand - I know getting run out is a bitch - is why Ricky P. threw such a wobbley after his dismissal?

It was excessive, even given the heat of the moment.

He's apologised and of course this is accepted, but there must be some reason why a Captain behaves in such a manner, over and above the emotional.

He believed the poms were cheating, or at least stretching the rules, by resting (rotating) the fast bowlers in the pavilion while using a specialist, fast substitute fielder who ran him out. Of course he should have complained to the umpires before, not after, the event because he now just looks like a pratt.

I think it was a buildup of frustration because the umpires haven't helped Australia in its losing struggle. Two of the first innings lbws (including Ponting) were actually inside edges, and Flintoff was out plumb lbw for 8 and not given. He made a hundred. Things like this (inc. the runout) can change a close game to a rout. And if you combine it with the fact that he can't win a toss and bat first on the dead pitches it would piss anyone off.

While I agree with you in principal, I think that the bad umpireing decisions have been pretty even throughout. Pontings LBW, was never an inside edge, though Martin was twice had by that trick. What I did not understand as well, was the calling of the third umpire in a catch scenario. That just doesn't happen. Not unless the rules have changed. Saying that, I do believe that all dismissals should be thouroughly veriacated before a batsman is given out, or not out , in disputed circumstances.

Both teams made an agreament before the series started that catches would not be reffered to the third umpire and it would be left to the fielders honesty as to whether the catch was taken cleanly or not.

Given the number of bad decisions for both sides re inside edges and lbws , probably now they should be using the third umpire to determine if there was an edge or not. Same applies to the catches where its hard to tell if the ball came of the gloves or the body.

BTW Well done England. :o

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As Oz has had the ashes all those years, ole Dom is checking to make sure nobody has pinched the contents of the urn. We are descended from the Dodger lot as you know.

you'd better be filling it up with soap now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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As Oz has had the ashes all those years, ole Dom is checking to make sure nobody has pinched the contents of the urn. We are descended from the Dodger lot as you know.

you'd better be filling it up with soap now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What !!! Is the pommy team thinking of having a celebratory scrub up ?

soi lurker Silver Member

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Hate to burst everyones bubble but it aint over till the fat lady sings. And sing Englands way she may very well but i still truly beleive Australia can have a go from here......... I guess i wouldn't be Australian if I didn't.....

I suppose it would be good if England won a sport that they invented sometime :o

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As Oz has had the ashes all those years, ole Dom is checking to make sure nobody has pinched the contents of the urn. We are descended from the Dodger lot as you know.

We have never had the Ashes Pat, the soapies are indian givers, they allways stay in soapy land :o

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