Arrested Thais Were On Cambodian Territory: Kasit

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Arrested Thais were on Cambodian territory: Kasit

By The Nation

The seven Thais arrested by Cambodian officials on Wednesday for alleged illegal entry were found to have been on Cambodian soil during their arrest, Foreign Minister Kasit Piromya said yesterday.

He said that a survey by officials from the Department of Treaties and Legal Affairs and the Royal Thai Survey Department found that the group, which included Democrat MP Panich Vikitsreth and yellow-shirt activist Veera Somkwamkid, were about a kilometre inside Cambodia.

The seven Thais had admitted to intruding into Cambodian soil when shown their actual position on the map and the video recording of their presence.

Panich, Veera and the five other Thais were inspecting a disputed border area in Sa Kaew province before their arrest. They are now in a prison in Phnom Penh.

The foreign minister said yesterday that he did not think the incident would worsen the bilateral ties between Thailand and Cambodia, which were improving.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Thani Thongpakdi said yesterday that the Thai Embassy in Phnom Penh had requested the Cambodian authorities to allow the detainees' families to visit them in prison.

He expected permission in a day or two although it was the New Year holiday.

He said the detainees told him during his visit on Thursday that they were unaware they had entered Cambodia and they had no intention of violating the law. Thani said the detainees got good treatment from the prison authorities and the vegetarians among them were allowed vegetarian food supplied by embassy officials.

Outside Government House yesterday, some 50 yellow shirts from the People's Alliance for Democracy held a protest, demanding faster government action to ensure early release of the seven detainees. The protesters also brought a coffin posted with photos of Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva on four sides. They said they would camp out there until Tuesday.

Separately, more than 100 people led by academic ML Wanwipa Charoonroj, yesterday gathered outside the Cambodian Embassy to protest against the arrest.

A coffin and wreaths with images of Abhisit and Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen were burnt.

-- The Nation 2011-01-01

[Thailand]

"The seven Thais had admitted to intruding into Cambodian soil when shown their actual position on the map and the video recording of their presence."

Not a lot of choice really.

Now that they have owned up ;)I am sure it can be resolved amicably.Perhaps release the five and pop the two leaders in to jail for a cooling time to remind them not to interfere in cross border disputes again.

[geovalin]

The problem is that Yellow shirts burnt pictures of Hun Sen yesterday and commit to continue. They want the feud escalate.

[SomTumTiger]

Most of the Red leaders are stupid-evil, but the yellow leaders are evil-evil.

[Thai at Heart]

Someone please remind me how many square kilometres they are arguing about, and which map the international court agreed to use?

In some ways, I hope the Cambodians prosecute these people to the full extent of the law. Problem is, that would probably lead to war, so just send them back and say that next time, 6 months in the clink is what is coming.

[asiawatcher]

Honest mistake? - nah - arrogance in the extreme! Cambodia's reaction has to set an example and thus theyr'e jailed in Phnom Penh. They may take a week or a month or more but they will get out. There will be some humble pie on Abhisit's side and there will be more protests by the Yellows to try to keep their plight alive and retain headlines - all so predictable. Back to the coffee....

[Thai at Heart]

Honest mistake? - nah - arrogance in the extreme! Cambodia's reaction has to set an example and thus theyr'e jailed in Phnom Penh. They may take a week or a month or more but they will get out. There will be some humble pie on Abhisit's side and there will be more protests by the Yellows to try to keep their plight alive and retain headlines - all so predictable. Back to the coffee....

If you are convicted of a criminal offence overseas does that disqualify you from sitting in Thai Parliament?

Some might argue that committing an offence in Thailand doesn't seem to disqualify people from sitting in Thai parliament, but you get my point.

[apollo13]

Who is this 'academic' Wanwipa Charoonroj ? Burning effigies of people is unbefitting of an academic person and I feel he should be reminded of this. In my opinion the whole yellow shirt movement lose a lot of support through these base and uncouth displays.

[whybother]

Who is this 'academic' Wanwipa Charoonroj ? Burning effigies of people is unbefitting of an academic person and I feel he should be reminded of this. In my opinion the whole yellow shirt movement lose a lot of support through these base and uncouth displays.

To lose a lot of support, you have to have a lot of support.

[Thai at Heart]

Who is this 'academic' Wanwipa Charoonroj ? Burning effigies of people is unbefitting of an academic person and I feel he should be reminded of this. In my opinion the whole yellow shirt movement lose a lot of support through these base and uncouth displays.

To lose a lot of support, you have to have a lot of support.

I think you have hit the nail on the head. Getting rid of Thaksin is one thing. Picking a fight with the mainstream Democrats is another thing entirely.

[Xangsamhua]

Who is this 'academic' Wanwipa Charoonroj ? Burning effigies of people is unbefitting of an academic person and I feel he should be reminded of this. In my opinion the whole yellow shirt movement lose a lot of support through these base and uncouth displays.

The report isn't clear as to where the coffins and images were burnt - outside Government House or the Cambodian Embassy (where ML Wanwipa was protesting) or at both locations.

There doesn't seem to be a "whole yellow shirt movement" any more. That was a phenomenon of the Lumpini Park rallies and the sit-ins at Government House and the airports. Since then the yellows have split over the formation of the NPP and action to take on the border issues. The yellows were completely ineffectual during the red protests in March-May 2010. Some of them now want to finish themselves off altogether by taking their main aim at the PM and his government.

There has always been a yahoo element in the PAD, exemplified by the invasion of the NBT offices in 2008 and the squabbling with villagers on the border a year or so ago, and the leadership group seems to have drifted apart. A yahoo element is to be expected in a broad movement, whether it be the PAD or UDD, antiwar movements or environmentalist ones.

Edited January 1, 2011 by Xangsamhua

[LomSak27]

some 50 yellow shirts from the People's Alliance for Democracy held a protest, demanding faster government action to ensure early release of the seven detainees. The protesters also brought a coffin posted with photos of Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva on four sides. They said they would camp out there until Tuesday.

Looks like the Dems are finally going to pay for using PAD ... with friends like these who needs Thaksin?

[chuang]

Honest mistake? - nah - arrogance in the extreme! Cambodia's reaction has to set an example and thus theyr'e jailed in Phnom Penh. They may take a week or a month or more but they will get out. There will be some humble pie on Abhisit's side and there will be more protests by the Yellows to try to keep their plight alive and retain headlines - all so predictable. Back to the coffee....

They should be charged in court and sentenced accordingly to Cambodia's law....these bunch of trouble makers will never learned...given the fact the Veera was caught before..

the thai government has the arrogance to demand their immediate release..

[OzMick]

Honest mistake? - nah - arrogance in the extreme! Cambodia's reaction has to set an example and thus theyr'e jailed in Phnom Penh. They may take a week or a month or more but they will get out. There will be some humble pie on Abhisit's side and there will be more protests by the Yellows to try to keep their plight alive and retain headlines - all so predictable. Back to the coffee....

They should be charged in court and sentenced accordingly to Cambodia's law....these bunch of trouble makers will never learned...given the fact the Veera was caught before..

the thai government has the arrogance to demand their immediate release..

The seven Thais arrested by Cambodian officials on Wednesday for alleged illegal entry were found to have been on Cambodian soil during their arrest, Foreign Minister Kasit Piromya said yesterday.

[hanuman1]

The Abhisit government may never have come to power were it not for the Yellow shirts. Do those who support this government not have the slightest feeling of a debt of gratitude towards that particular group? If not, why?

[yellow1red1]

The problem is that Yellow shirts burnt pictures of Hun Sen yesterday and commit to continue. They want the feud escalate.

Who is this 'academic' Wanwipa Charoonroj ? Burning effigies of people is unbefitting of an academic person and I feel he should be reminded of this. In my opinion the whole yellow shirt movement lose a lot of support through these base and uncouth displays.

To lose a lot of support, you have to have a lot of support.

I think you have hit the nail on the head. Getting rid of Thaksin is one thing. Picking a fight with the mainstream Democrats is another thing entirely.

explanations these Comments and answers to questions... OBVIOUS

see spoiler hints as follows

the rinky dink political party

the 7 were were 'probably' ordered to get arrested

election campaign coming up

how Thatcher and Bush and Bush won elections?

the rinky dinks will be the ONLY patriotic party and use whatever traitouress strategies to promote that LIE

They WANT to feed a the bribery pig trough just as much as the reds do.

it's THAT simple folks

[yellow1red1]

The Abhisit government may never have come to power were it not for the Yellow shirts. Do those who support this government not have the slightest feeling of a debt of gratitude towards that particular group? If not, why?

When Sondhi greatly helped put Thaksin in powere he was very rewarded by Thaksin, millions of dollares in debt 'forgive', several of Sondhi's men got KEY governmenmt positions. even allowed his banker Viroj to steal millions from Thailand until Pridiyathorn, NOT Thaksin, stood against it.

Is everybody going to so utterly stupid to let Sobdhi and the rinky dink party wrap itself in flag of 'patriotism"???? worked for Thatcher and the Bushes, Hitler, too; but Thailand is smarter than that, eh?

Juts put the traitorous terrorist in jail. make him pay back all the money he stole!

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same jail cell with Thaksin would be dream come true

Edited January 1, 2011 by yellow1red1

[hanuman1]

The Abhisit government may never have come to power were it not for the Yellow shirts. Do those who support this government not have the slightest feeling of a debt of gratitude towards that particular group? If not, why?

When Sondhi greatly helped put Thaksin in powere he was very rewarded by Thaksin, millions of dollares in debt 'forgive', several of Sondhi's men got KEY governmenmt positions. even allowed his banker Viroj to steal millions from Thailand until Pridiyathorn, NOT Thaksin, stood against it.

Is everybody going to so utterly stupid to let Sobdhi and the rinky dink party wrap itself in flag of 'patriotism"???? worked for Thatcher and the Bushes, Hitler, too; but Thailand is smarter than that, eh?

Juts put the traitorous terrorist in jail. make him pay back all the money he stole!

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same jail cell with Thaksin would be dream come true

Whilst I don't wish to denigrate or diminish your enjoyment of any anti-Thaksin fantasies you or others may harbor in the small hours of the night, I humbly redirect you to the original question. It wasn't an open question, which means the answer is yes or no. An explanation of that answer will also be most welcome.

[mkawish]

Honest mistake? - nah - arrogance in the extreme! Cambodia's reaction has to set an example and thus theyr'e jailed in Phnom Penh. They may take a week or a month or more but they will get out. There will be some humble pie on Abhisit's side and there will be more protests by the Yellows to try to keep their plight alive and retain headlines - all so predictable. Back to the coffee....

If you are convicted of a criminal offence overseas does that disqualify you from sitting in Thai Parliament?

Some might argue that committing an offence in Thailand doesn't seem to disqualify people from sitting in Thai parliament, but you get my point.

From what appears on this thread, it seems that none of you, and may I repeat, none of you watched the televised excursion at the point of arrest and during the arrest by the Cambodian soldiers!

I did watch the televised scene as it developed. This is what I heard and saw on Thai news as it was televised....

1--The senator was on handphone to someone telling the person on the other end that they were on Thai farm land surrounded by Thai houses....

2--The group was not yet approaching the borderline....

3--The farmers on those parcels of land were also following them and pointing out their own farms that have been confiscated by the Cambodian soldiers.

4--The farmers there already wrote many complaint letters to the govt unit and Apisit but there has been not even one response yet.

5--The farmers also showed the Thai Cha-Note issued some fifty years back by the Thai govt with the Thai govt stamp and Thai govt insignia of Kruit.

6--The farmers also showed receipts proving that they have had been paying taxes on their parcels of land to the Thai revenue dept.

7--The senator and group were videoed standing with their back turning toward the Cambodian border which is about some kilometers away yet.

8--Farmers were asked, why do you and your villagers allow the Cambodians to settle in your land? The Thai farmers replied the Cambodians mostly were refugees encroaching on our land but we took pity on them because if they were to return to Cambodia at that time some thirty years ago, during the civil war, they would be killed by the ruling govt.

Last year, I also personally watched a public video showing Her Royal Majesty, the Queen and the Princess accompanied by the Red Cross personnel, visiting the Cambodian refugees which was recorded sometimes during 1980.

The Cambodian refugees were on Thai soil when Her Royal Majesty et al visited them and took extreme pity on them and their extremely poor health conditions. She at the time announced that the Thai govt should show mercy and should help those poor refugees.

Later on, when she realized that it was not possible for those refugees to return to Cambodia because of political persecution among other reasons, she asked that they be allowed to settle there until they were able to return to their own country safely.

Now some 30+ years later, many have had already forgotten who are the original owners of those pieces of land.

Even the minister of defense of Thailand himself, publicly announced during the govt interview chaired by PM Apisit himself that those areas belonged to the Cambodians. He himself lived in those eastern territories and worked there since childhood, he remembered well the Cambodians have been there for more than 20 years, living and working there. He confirmed publicly that those were Cambodian soil.

A news lady brought up the question--What about the ChaNote of the Thai farmers with the Thai govt seal issued by the Thai govt for those lands occupied by the Cambodians?

The minister retorted--What ChaNote, do you have that ChaNote to show me? I have never seen one. Such extreme incompetent and ignorant from a top govt official who is supposed to rule and protect Thailand and her citizen.

Then came the minister of security, SuThep, who was asked how did he surmise twenty-four hours earlier that the senator and his group were encroaching on Cambodian soil and therefore they were rightfully arrested by the Cambodian soldiers?

Mr. SuThep also retorted that he overheard the summary of events from his close aides incorrectly, that the senator and group were in fact arrested on Thai soil.

It is utterly incomprehensible to have conflicting reports on Where or where not is the Thai territory?

It appears to me that the current govt is ready to give all the surrounding lands around PraVeHarn temple to the Cambodians for some unknown reasons!!!!

In spite of the fact that it was decreed that only the PraVeHarn temple and the soil under it belongs to the Cambodian, and the territorial around the temple belongs to Thailand. At that date and time, General Marshall--SeeRit ThaNarRudd angrily decried to the nation that brothers and sisters, one day, one day in our life time, we shall take back the PraVeHarn temple which rightfully belongs to our ancestors and to us. The Thai people will not rest until we can take back what rightfully belongs to us.

We shall see if the Yellow shirts can bring out the truth concerning why Apisit's govt is so determined not to push or force this issue but on the contrary, is so eager to give away those surrounding areas and the enormous natural resources including minerals and crude under water to the Cambodian????

What is really behind all this madness? What are the secret govt deals between and among themselves and other govt?

And more importantly, which many not yet been made aware of, which French, U.S. and/or European companies have already been granted rights to mine in those disputed areas, if and when the Cambodian are granted those lands and their resources underneath?

Even though this enormous dispute does not concern many farang per se, but it is immensely interesting to watch WHAT IS REALLY BEHIND ALL THIS POLITICAL DEALING?

My personal opinion is, I would go with the evidence of the video taken some thirty years ago, when Her Royal Majesty, Her Royal Highness Princess Pra-Tape and the Red Cross personnel visiting and handling out articles to the Cambodian refugees.... that the land surrounding those areas rightfully belong to Thailand beyond any human reasonable doubt. And as it became clearer recently, the events were also personally recorded in Her Royal Highness Princess Pra-Tape's own handwriting, some 30+ years ago, in Her own personal journal that they all were utterly devastated witnessing human sufferings in such degree.

Well, we'll see, how all this will turn out at the end--Why is the current Thai govt so eager to give away Thai soil so readily and sheepishly to a tiny nation as Cambodia? Why is the current Thai govt so blindly not being concerned at all that during the past 3 years or so that the Cambodian have been building roads, houses and temples on Thai soil but the govt and military could not even careless about all these intruding and encroaching developments?

What hope does Thailand have to maintain the ownership of lands surrounding PraVeHarn, when Thai govt high ranking officials the like of minister of defense and the minister of security are so very ill informed of what does or does not rightfully belong to Thailand and all her people?

Very very sad indeed, I very humbly submit.

Edited January 1, 2011 by mkawish

[whybother]

In spite of the fact that it was decreed that only the PraVeHarn temple and the soil under it belongs to the Cambodian, and the territorial around the temple belongs to Thailand.

It was decreed by the world court that Preah Vihear belonged to the Cambodians. There was no decision on the area around the temple. It is still in dispute.

At that date and time, General Marshall--SeeRit ThaNarRudd angrily decried to the nation that brothers and sisters, one day, one day in our life time, we shall take back the PraVeHarn temple which rightfully belongs to our ancestors and to us. The Thai people will not rest until we can take back what rightfully belongs to us.

The temple belonged to the Khmers until about the 1400's. Should it be given back to them (or their descendants)?

It was on Thai territory from then until 1904 when the new border was created, with the "official" maps putting it in Cambodian territory - IMO, incorrectly, but the Thais apparently accepted the map until a number of years later.

the enormous natural resources including minerals and crude under water

What enormous natural resources?

[Siam Simon]

In spite of the fact that it was decreed that only the PraVeHarn temple and the soil under it belongs to the Cambodian, and the territorial around the temple belongs to Thailand.

It was decreed by the world court that Preah Vihear belonged to the Cambodians. There was no decision on the area around the temple. It is still in dispute.

At that date and time, General Marshall--SeeRit ThaNarRudd angrily decried to the nation that brothers and sisters, one day, one day in our life time, we shall take back the PraVeHarn temple which rightfully belongs to our ancestors and to us. The Thai people will not rest until we can take back what rightfully belongs to us.

The temple belonged to the Khmers until about the 1400's. Should it be given back to them (or their descendants)?

It was on Thai territory from then until 1904 when the new border was created, with the "official" maps putting it in Cambodian territory - IMO, incorrectly, but the Thais apparently accepted the map until a number of years later.

the enormous natural resources including minerals and crude under water

What enormous natural resources?

Your 'Plus' corset is showing .

[whybother]

Your 'Plus' corset is showing .

Sorry for pointing out some inconsistencies.

Did I quote that correctly?

[Buchholz]

the enormous natural resources including minerals and crude under water

What enormous natural resources?

The concurrent border dispute over the Gulf of Thailand border, in which huge resources of gas and minerals are at stake.

If the French-drawn maps of maritime borders, which were absurdly drawn to benefit Cambodia, are accepted, there is potential for great loss.

[mkawish]

In spite of the fact that it was decreed that only the PraVeHarn temple and the soil under it belongs to the Cambodian, and the territorial around the temple belongs to Thailand.

It was decreed by the world court that Preah Vihear belonged to the Cambodians. There was no decision on the area around the temple. It is still in dispute.

At that date and time, General Marshall--SeeRit ThaNarRudd angrily decried to the nation that brothers and sisters, one day, one day in our life time, we shall take back the PraVeHarn temple which rightfully belongs to our ancestors and to us. The Thai people will not rest until we can take back what rightfully belongs to us.

The temple belonged to the Khmers until about the 1400's. Should it be given back to them (or their descendants)?

It was on Thai territory from then until 1904 when the new border was created, with the "official" maps putting it in Cambodian territory - IMO, incorrectly, but the Thais apparently accepted the map until a number of years later.

the enormous natural resources including minerals and crude under water

What enormous natural resources?

The enormous natural resources alongside the new boundaries that the Camb is trying to have the Jbc declares belonging to the Camb, which territory to be extended to include the towns, cities and temples that are now currently called Thailand territory.

Which, if and when successfully petitioned by the Camb, it will also include sea portion of the areas currently belonging to Thailand.

The enormous resources are discovered sometimes ago to be present under water.

It is guestimated that at present those that have a hand in the exclusive rights to mining of those enormous natural resources are the French, European and U.S. dominated G and O companies contributing heavily behind the scene to the coffer of the ruling family members who practically guarantee their rights and shares in the windfalls.

The Camb ruling family is so ardent that even as early as two weeks before the Thai Parliament met, the Camb assured her partners in crime that the matter would be subsequently voted on in the house in favor of joint communication to have the Jbc redefine the territory of Thailand and Cambodia so as to globally allowed, insured and vested that Camb would have lands and areas surrounding the PraVeHarn including water rights and natural resources encumbered therein.

However, some govt representatives who somehow smelled something fishy and subsequently filibustered the session so there was no time for voting for the issue of allowing Jbc to enjoy the rights to redefine the territory around PraVeHarn and the surrounding northeastern areas of Thailand that day.

If I am not mistaken, the yellowshirts are screaming for Apisit's resignation for trying to sneak this legislature onto the agenda, when he previously as recently as last month assuring the yellowshirt that there won't be any vote until a public opinion survey regarding this issue is taken. The new and more determined public gathering by the yellowshirt will be forth coming shortly, if I did not misunderstand what I heard in Thai. LOL

[mkawish]

Thx much Buchholz for the redefining map, just in a nick of time.

mkawish :jap:

the enormous natural resources including minerals and crude under water

What enormous natural resources?

The concurrent border dispute over the Gulf of Thailand border, in which huge resources of gas and minerals are at stake.

If the French-drawn maps of maritime borders, which were absurdly drawn to benefit Cambodia, are accepted, there is potential for great loss.

[whybother]

The concurrent border dispute over the Gulf of Thailand border, in which huge resources of gas and minerals are at stake.

If the French-drawn maps of maritime borders, which were absurdly drawn to benefit Cambodia, are accepted, there is potential for great loss.

I wasn't aware that the 1904/1907 French maps included a maritime boundary, particularly one favouring Cambodia so much. Did the Thais accept that boundary at the time of the treaty? The Cambodian / Thai maritime claims (indicated in your diagram) are 1972 / 1973 claims.

I can understand the confusion with the land border, with the Preah Vihear temple on the Thai side of the watershed line.

Edited January 2, 2011 by whybother

[Thai at Heart]

The concurrent border dispute over the Gulf of Thailand border, in which huge resources of gas and minerals are at stake.

If the French-drawn maps of maritime borders, which were absurdly drawn to benefit Cambodia, are accepted, there is potential for great loss.

I wasn't aware that the 1904/1907 French maps included a maritime boundary, particularly one favouring Cambodia so much. Did the Thais accept that boundary at the time of the treaty? The Cambodian / Thai maritime claims (indicated in your diagram) are 1972 / 1973 claims.

I can understand the confusion with the land border, with the Preah Vihear temple on the Thai side of the watershed line.

This is the supposed underlying issue that everyone is getting their knickers in a twist about. Funnily enough though, it appears that the Thai population is too stupid to be clearly told that this is the REAL issue.

[Buchholz]

The concurrent border dispute over the Gulf of Thailand border, in which huge resources of gas and minerals are at stake.

If the French-drawn maps of maritime borders, which were absurdly drawn to benefit Cambodia, are accepted, there is potential for great loss.

I wasn't aware that the 1904/1907 French maps included a maritime boundary, particularly one favouring Cambodia so much. Did the Thais accept that boundary at the time of the treaty? The Cambodian / Thai maritime claims (indicated in your diagram) are 1972 / 1973 claims.

I can understand the confusion with the land border, with the Preah Vihear temple on the Thai side of the watershed line.

retired Vice-Admiral Pratheep said of the whacky maritime border lines in regards to Preah Vihear:

"If we lose the claimed land again, there is very much more at stake to be lost." Over a hundred years ago, Thailand was forced to demarcate its borders with two imperial powers, Britain and France, which had colonised Indo-China, including Cambodia. Some maps helping define the borders between Thailand and states under protection of those imperial countries were drawn up. However, these were not officially accepted by Bangkok, especially those covering the border between Thailand and Cambodia. While Cambodia continues to use the French maps, Thailand has its own versions and has used them as its border references. And because they use different maps, the two countries claim different borderlines. So, if the French-drawn maps were accepted, much of the area containing oil and gas deposits would go to Cambodia. "The overlapping area covers around 27,000 sq km that is thought to be highly prospective for petroleum accumulations."

End.

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I personally have never seen such a crazy maritime border line where the border juts out at a direct right angle from the shore. It would mean the waters just a few kilometers south of the Koh Chang archipelago belong to Cambodia. If Cambodia succeeds, mapmakers might as well rename the body of water:

Gulf of Cambodia.

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Edited January 2, 2011 by Buchholz

[yellow1red1]

The concurrent border dispute over the Gulf of Thailand border, in which huge resources of gas and minerals are at stake.

If the French-drawn maps of maritime borders, which were absurdly drawn to benefit Cambodia, are accepted, there is potential for great loss.

I wasn't aware that the 1904/1907 French maps included a maritime boundary, particularly one favouring Cambodia so much. Did the Thais accept that boundary at the time of the treaty? The Cambodian / Thai maritime claims (indicated in your diagram) are 1972 / 1973 claims.

I can understand the confusion with the land border, with the Preah Vihear temple on the Thai side of the watershed line.

actually,,, if the Thais can get it to Intl Crt, they will use the watershed line, the intl standard, which is NOT the cliff, 'duh'.

it;s the hilltop ridge a few kms inland, some Thai Generals, NOT Reds are very p oed the yellow dashed the agreement. they HAD a legal opinion for making that agreement,, ie the watershed line. GE, use mouse, look at altitude indicator

also, INTL court would give Ko Chang to Cambodia except for one saving grace. just look at that long thin sliver of Thai of border that runs down into Cambodia 'duh agin'

A past King 'gave' private land to Thais on Ko Chang and that 'would' have been honored by IC... BUT Thai Govt have expropriated the 'private' land for Park and Military,, uh OH --- but wot do I know the man who told me all this might not have been a Thai General, but he was driving a brand new MB

... anyways, this is the side issue, it's more about how the brown shirts,, whoops yellow shirts rinky dink party is looking at the past succeses of Thatcher, Bush, Hitler.. Who is the ONLY Patriotic party in the upcoming election??? NONE OF THE ABOVE! it's the pig trough... it';s ALL about the pig torough!

[whybother]

retired Vice-Admiral Pratheep said of the whacky maritime border lines in regards to Preah Vihear:

"If we lose the claimed land again, there is very much more at stake to be lost." Over a hundred years ago, Thailand was forced to demarcate its borders with two imperial powers, Britain and France, which had colonised Indo-China, including Cambodia. Some maps helping define the borders between Thailand and states under protection of those imperial countries were drawn up. However, these were not officially accepted by Bangkok, especially those covering the border between Thailand and Cambodia. While Cambodia continues to use the French maps, Thailand has its own versions and has used them as its border references. And because they use different maps, the two countries claim different borderlines. So, if the French-drawn maps were accepted, much of the area containing oil and gas deposits would go to Cambodia. "The overlapping area covers around 27,000 sq km that is thought to be highly prospective for petroleum accumulations."

According to the world court, Thailand accepted the 1904 / 1907 maps. That's one of the reasons they sided with Cambodia in regards to the temple. But they didn't rule on the rest of the disputed territory - the area around the temple, or the maritime borders.