Bombs Discovered In Bangkok Ahead Of PAD Rally

[jillwilliams999]

The arrest sound so fake, even the chief police did not believe it.

[MaiDong]

the police, then subsequently the information was beaten out of him (aka interrogated).

Thawatchai doesn't look very beat up...

You mean he wanted to wear that hat?? As opposed to he was made to wear it to cover up the lumps?...

[Buchholz]

Sound fishy. Looks like a set up to discourage PAD from coming to join the protest.

... or encouraging them.

Have there been any previous incidents of PAD involvement with RPG's?

Unsure, but the way things are here, possibly all incidents ?

Except there are ongoing charges involving RPG's with the other color; so we can take your reply as a "no, there hasn't been."

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Edited January 26, 2011 by Buchholz

[Buchholz]

I'm not claiming that the Red-Shirts have done no wrong in the past and that there are no longer any Reds still out there with violent intent - but in this case - it appears quite clearly - the timing - the nature of the haul - taking into account similar stunts of a similar nature pulled of by the army - that this is a set-up to suit a particular political agenda at this time.

Ans what are the odds that Pon (mentioned in the above post) is under-cover police or military? Clearly a set-up

"taking into account similar stunts of a similar nature pulled of by the army"

Which stunts are those?

* BUMP *

Might as well bump another similar question, still-unanswered, from 13 days ago:

Not so sure it was the Reds who were actually firing those grenade launchers. Recent reports indicate otherwise.

whybother Posted 2011-01-13, 00:54

Which reports might those be?

jdinasia Posted 2011-01-13, 01:01

Actually, recent CONFESSIONS have put name/names to many of the attacks. Red/red allied/ronin ... call them what you will. It was the reds.

whybother Posted 2011-01-13, 01:03

Yes, so maybe bulmercke can supply us with the reports that have been hidden amongst all the red shirt arrests.

Pi Sek Posted 2011-01-13, 18:03

now we have pro-reds arguing that the govt was the one firing grenades? Which report? I call your bluff, my friend.

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* BUMP *

Edited January 26, 2011 by Buchholz

[phiphidon]

... or encouraging them.

Have there been any previous incidents of PAD involvement with RPG's?

Unsure, but the way things are here, possibly all incidents ?

Except there are ongoing charges involving RPG's with the other color; so we can take your reply as a "no, there hasn't been."

.

The PAD are normally associated with transporting large amounts of explosives by jeep. You could ask a retired police officer/PAD security guard for details, but unfortunately he managed to blow himself (and his jeep full of explosives) up outside the CTP HQ in October 2008 whilst attending the peaceful PAD rally. Incidentally Mr.Abhisit (who was in opposition then and quite friendly with PAD types) attended the PAD "hero's" funeral. As far as I am aware he didn't attend the funeral of one Samai Wongsuwan (blatant double standards if you ask me ).

[Buchholz]

Have there been any previous incidents of PAD involvement with RPG's?

Unsure, but the way things are here, possibly all incidents ?

Except there are ongoing charges involving RPG's with the other color; so we can take your reply as a "no, there hasn't been."

So... that's another reply of, "no, there hasn't been."

.

[phiphidon]

Except there are ongoing charges involving RPG's with the other color; so we can take your reply as a "no, there hasn't been."

So... that's another reply of, "no, there hasn't been."

.

How can anybody tell? Seeing as you took it upon yourself to edit out all of my post! Is that allowed on this forum?

[Buchholz]

Except there are ongoing charges involving RPG's with the other color; so we can take your reply as a "no, there hasn't been."

So... that's another reply of, "no, there hasn't been."

How can anybody tell? Seeing as you took it upon yourself to edit out all of my post! Is that allowed on this forum?

Sorry, I just removed the part that didn't answer the question asked.

If anyone wants to read what was removed, the post is all of 4-inches of mouse up-scrolling away.

(or 12 seconds of reading if reading downwards in sequential order)

Edited January 26, 2011 by Buchholz

[hammered]

It would be amusing to see if those claiming when a suspect confesses it is a set up were also arguing the same line when the dude confessed to trying to blow up Thaksin a few years back in a plot with even more questions and only one suspect.

There are a number of suspects here and ordinance and it will be very difficult to get them all to confess and stick to a single story that will mean serious jail time if this is indeed a set up.

Best thing is to wait and see what info comes out. Of course newspapers have to sell copy and conspiracy sells well and side takers have to defend to death whatever line their side is taking, but for the majority just watching and waiting will probably be more revealing. Interesting to see divides in police too. There are not many police who side with the government so some not being in the know is nothing out of the ordinary after the Arisamon escape and a few other notable failures. We will see. Little point in arguing ever weirder conspiracy theories now when we for once have a chance to see a group of suspects actually end up in court and face prison.

[Buchholz]

the police, then subsequently the information was beaten out of him (aka interrogated).

Thawatchai doesn't look very beat up...

You mean he wanted to wear that hat?? As opposed to he was made to wear it to cover up the lumps?...

I guess he just really does want to wear that hat...and with a hair style like his, I can see why he does... but anyway, good try:

Court Approves Detention of Red-shirt Militant

The Criminal Court approves the detention of a former red-shirt guard arrested on Monday with explosives believed to be intended for an attack during the People's Alliance for Democracy's protests.

Investigators of Dusit police station today presented former red-shirt guard Tawatchai Iiemnak to the Criminal Court to seek permission for his first 12 days of detention between January 26 and February 6 after he was arrested with explosives suspected to be prepared for use during the protests by the People's Alliance for Democracy.

The investigators reasoned their interrogation of three witnesses is still pending and they are waiting for the criminal profile of the suspect and results of the examination of the explosives confiscated from him.

Their detention request also expressed opposition against the suspect to be released on bail given the confiscated explosives have high destructive effects and that he likely intended to use them to incite chaos, an offense liable for a severe sentence.

The court approved the detention after the suspect expressed no disapproval.

Tawatchai was arrested on January 24 while riding a motorcycle in Soi Charoen Nakorn 28 in a suspicious manner.

Investigators said explosives were found inside Tawatchai's motorcycle and in his home where his four associates were also arrested for complicity in the criminal plot.

The other suspects were brought to the Thonburi Criminal Court for their remand earlier today.

-- Tan Network 2011-01-26

Edited January 26, 2011 by Buchholz

[bulmercke]

Buchholz quoted me as saying a while back (post #94 of this thread):

"Not so sure it was the Reds who were actually firing those grenade launchers. Recent reports indicate otherwise.

whybother Posted 2011-01-13, 00:54

Which reports might those be?

jdinasia Posted 2011-01-13, 01:01

Actually, recent CONFESSIONS have put name/names to many of the attacks. Red/red allied/ronin ... call them what you will. It was the reds.

whybother Posted 2011-01-13, 01:03

Yes, so maybe bulmercke can supply us with the reports that have been hidden amongst all the red shirt arrests.

Pi Sek Posted 2011-01-13, 18:03

now we have pro-reds arguing that the govt was the one firing grenades? Which report? I call your bluff, my friend.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

FROM THE BANGKOK MASSACRES:

A CALL FOR ACCOUNTABILITY ― A White Paper by Amsterdam & Peroff LLP

"Third, the government was quick to point the finger against the UDD in the immediate

wake of an M-79 grenade attack on the Sala Daeng SkyTrain station that took place

during a stand-off between Red Shirts and pro-government “Multicolor” Shirts on April

22, resulting in one death. The suspects it had initially detained, however, were quickly

released. Contradicting CRES’ conclusion that the grenades were lobbed from the Red

Shirt encampment near the Rama VI monument, eye-witnesses among pro-government

counter-protesters claim the grenades were fired from nearby Chulalongkorn

Hospital.152"

152 ASTV-Manager, April 23, 2010.

http://www.manager.co.th/Crime/ViewNews.aspx?NewsID=9530000055677

[whybother]

Buchholz quoted me as saying a while back (post #94 of this thread):

"Not so sure it was the Reds who were actually firing those grenade launchers. Recent reports indicate otherwise.

whybother Posted 2011-01-13, 00:54

Which reports might those be?

jdinasia Posted 2011-01-13, 01:01

Actually, recent CONFESSIONS have put name/names to many of the attacks. Red/red allied/ronin ... call them what you will. It was the reds.

whybother Posted 2011-01-13, 01:03

Yes, so maybe bulmercke can supply us with the reports that have been hidden amongst all the red shirt arrests.

Pi Sek Posted 2011-01-13, 18:03

now we have pro-reds arguing that the govt was the one firing grenades? Which report? I call your bluff, my friend.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

FROM THE BANGKOK MASSACRES:

A CALL FOR ACCOUNTABILITY ― A White Paper by Amsterdam & Peroff LLP

"Third, the government was quick to point the finger against the UDD in the immediate

wake of an M-79 grenade attack on the Sala Daeng SkyTrain station that took place

during a stand-off between Red Shirts and pro-government "Multicolor" Shirts on April

22, resulting in one death. The suspects it had initially detained, however, were quickly

released. Contradicting CRES' conclusion that the grenades were lobbed from the Red

Shirt encampment near the Rama VI monument, eye-witnesses among pro-government

counter-protesters claim the grenades were fired from nearby Chulalongkorn

Hospital.152"

152 ASTV-Manager, April 23, 2010.

http://www.manager.c...D=9530000055677

You call something by Amsterdam as a report????

I'm going to create a blog that says Jatuporn personally lit all the fires on May 19. Then you can quote that as a report.

[phiphidon]

So... that's another reply of, "no, there hasn't been."

How can anybody tell? Seeing as you took it upon yourself to edit out all of my post! Is that allowed on this forum?

Sorry, I just removed the part that didn't answer the question asked.

If anyone wants to read what was removed, the post is all of 4-inches of mouse up-scrolling away.

(or 12 seconds of reading if reading downwards in sequential order)

Bucholz , if you wish to involve yourself in removing all "the parts that didn't answer the question asked" perhaps you should apply to be a moderator, or are you one, unofficially? If you are not, please answer this question ,

In accordance with the rules of the Forum,

Are you allowed to completely edit my post (or anybody elses) if you consider the answer posted has not been answered to your satisfaction, and then quote me, or not?

[rubl]

Buchholz quoted me as saying a while back (post #94 of this thread):

"Not so sure it was the Reds who were actually firing those grenade launchers. Recent reports indicate otherwise.

whybother Posted 2011-01-13, 00:54

Which reports might those be?

jdinasia Posted 2011-01-13, 01:01

Actually, recent CONFESSIONS have put name/names to many of the attacks. Red/red allied/ronin ... call them what you will. It was the reds.

whybother Posted 2011-01-13, 01:03

Yes, so maybe bulmercke can supply us with the reports that have been hidden amongst all the red shirt arrests.

Pi Sek Posted 2011-01-13, 18:03

now we have pro-reds arguing that the govt was the one firing grenades? Which report? I call your bluff, my friend.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

FROM THE BANGKOK MASSACRES:

A CALL FOR ACCOUNTABILITY ― A White Paper by Amsterdam & Peroff LLP

"Third, the government was quick to point the finger against the UDD in the immediate

wake of an M-79 grenade attack on the Sala Daeng SkyTrain station that took place

during a stand-off between Red Shirts and pro-government �Multicolor� Shirts on April

22, resulting in one death. The suspects it had initially detained, however, were quickly

released. Contradicting CRES� conclusion that the grenades were lobbed from the Red

Shirt encampment near the Rama VI monument, eye-witnesses among pro-government

counter-protesters claim the grenades were fired from nearby Chulalongkorn

Hospital.152"

152 ASTV-Manager, April 23, 2010.

http://www.manager.co.th/Crime/ViewNews.aspx?NewsID=9530000055677

You forgot to quote from the preliminary report Robert A. filed for the UDD October 2010. It says something like 'army fired thousands of rounds into the protesters' on April 10th. Terrible shots, Thai Army personel, They only killed barely a handful and not even at the same location. Now the red-shirtsmilitants helping the red-shirts, better shots. They got a colonel with staff with one or two grenades.

Edited January 26, 2011 by rubl

[phiphidon]

You forgot to quote from the preliminary report Robert A. filed for the UDD October 2010. It says something like 'army fired thousands of rounds into the protesters' on April 10th. Terrible shots, Thai Army personel, They only killed barely a handful and not even at the same location. Now the red-shirtsmilitants helping the red-shirts, better shots. They got a colonel with staff with one or two grenades.

Reference your comment about Amsterdams original report stating something like the army fired thousands of rounds etc do you not find it distasteful in making a "joke" to say that the army were terrible shots? In total around 93 people were killed by whichever side/sides, not really a joking matter, for them or their families.

[TAWP]

You forgot to quote from the preliminary report Robert A. filed for the UDD October 2010. It says something like 'army fired thousands of rounds into the protesters' on April 10th. Terrible shots, Thai Army personel, They only killed barely a handful and not even at the same location. Now the red-shirtsmilitants helping the red-shirts, better shots. They got a colonel with staff with one or two grenades.

Reference your comment about Amsterdams original report stating something like the army fired thousands of rounds etc do you not find it distasteful in making a "joke" to say that the army were terrible shots? In total around 93 people were killed by whichever side/sides, not really a joking matter, for them or their families.

Compare the amount of dead vs the amount of bullets Amsterdam claim was shot = terrible shots.

Even you can do the math, surely?

[Buchholz]

So... that's another reply of, "no, there hasn't been."

How can anybody tell? Seeing as you took it upon yourself to edit out all of my post! Is that allowed on this forum?

Sorry, I just removed the part that didn't answer the question asked.

If anyone wants to read what was removed, the post is all of 4-inches of mouse up-scrolling away.

(or 12 seconds of reading if reading downwards in sequential order)

Bucholz , if you wish to involve yourself in removing all "the parts that didn't answer the question asked" perhaps you should apply to be a moderator, or are you one, unofficially? If you are not, please answer this question ,

In accordance with the rules of the Forum,

Are you allowed to completely edit my post (or anybody elses) if you consider the answer posted has not been answered to your satisfaction, and then quote me, or not?

AFAIK, there's no requirement to quote a post in its entirety in order to reply to it.

Quite the contrary, I've read several mod posts that specifically direct posters not to do so as it makes posts needlessly longer. The impetus being to quote only those parts of a previous post that one wishes to specifically address.

As for any specific forum rule infraction, I don't see that I broke any, but I'm certainly willing to defer to the moderators for further input or guidance over the issue.

I see various issues coming up about that applicable rule from time to time, so further elucidation by mods on specific aspects might be helpful.

That and having posts made in reply to a question to actually address the question asked rather than go off on a tangent. That, too, would also be helpful for the forum.

[phiphidon]

Bucholz , if you wish to involve yourself in removing all "the parts that didn't answer the question asked" perhaps you should apply to be a moderator, or are you one, unofficially? If you are not, please answer this question ,

In accordance with the rules of the Forum,

Are you allowed to completely edit my post (or anybody elses) if you consider the answer posted has not been answered to your satisfaction, and then quote me, or not?

AFAIK, there's no requirement to quote a post in its entirety in order to reply to it.

Quite the contrary, I've read several mod posts that specifically direct posters not to do so as it makes posts needlessly longer. The impetus being to quote only those parts of a previous post that one wishes to specifically address.

As for any specific forum rule infraction, I don't see that I broke any, but I'm certainly willing to defer to the moderators for further input or guidance over the issue.

I see various issues coming up about that applicable rule from time to time, so further elucidation by mods on specific aspects might be helpful.

That and having posts made in reply to a question to actually address the question asked rather than go off on a tangent. That, too, would also be helpful for the forum.

There is "quoting a post in its entirety" and then there is completely removing all content. As for your last comment your posts too could benefit from not veering off on tangents and photo opportunities. I have said all I need to say on this subject for the sake of further readers of this particular posting.

[MikeOboe57]

>>>>>>>>>>>>

FROM THE BANGKOK MASSACRES:

A CALL FOR ACCOUNTABILITY ― A White Paper by Amsterdam & Peroff LLP

"Third, the government was quick to point the finger against the UDD in the immediate

wake of an M-79 grenade attack on the Sala Daeng SkyTrain station that took place

during a stand-off between Red Shirts and pro-government "Multicolor" Shirts on April

22, resulting in one death. The suspects it had initially detained, however, were quickly

released. Contradicting CRES' conclusion that the grenades were lobbed from the Red

Shirt encampment near the Rama VI monument, eye-witnesses among pro-government

counter-protesters claim the grenades were fired from nearby Chulalongkorn

Hospital.152"

152 ASTV-Manager, April 23, 2010.

http://www.manager.c...D=9530000055677

A White Paper? More of a White Wash by Mr Robert Amsterdam

Her is the link to the original document. Mr Amsterdam is doing what he gets paid for by Thaksin. Listening to Robert Amsterdam to learn about the events in Bangkok is like studying history by watching Hollywood movies - a waste of time.

You did not do yourself a favour by bringing up the "fonfer" Amsterdam as a crown witness. This guy has absolutely zero credibility. He was making things up when he acted as lobbyist for Mikhail Khodorkovsky (2003 - ?), and he is apparently doing the same now for Thaksin and his Red Shirts (2010 - ?).

He most likely even wrote his own portrait in Wikipedia - just to be sure.

Regards...

[rubl]

You forgot to quote from the preliminary report Robert A. filed for the UDD October 2010. It says something like 'army fired thousands of rounds into the protesters' on April 10th. Terrible shots, Thai Army personel, They only killed barely a handful and not even at the same location. Now the red-shirtsmilitants helping the red-shirts, better shots. They got a colonel with staff with one or two grenades.

Reference your comment about Amsterdams original report stating something like the army fired thousands of rounds etc do you not find it distasteful in making a "joke" to say that the army were terrible shots? In total around 93 people were killed by whichever side/sides, not really a joking matter, for them or their families.

Don't you think the remarks by Robert A. are in bad taste? Thousand of rounds 'into' a crowd sounds inflammatory. Ignoring grenade attacks or somehow casting doubt as to who lobbed them may sound 'nice' in a court of law, but to me is equally distasteful.

Maybe I should change the offending bit to 'army must have been firing at the moon'. Would that help, be less offensive ?

Edited January 27, 2011 by rubl

[animatic]

You forgot to quote from the preliminary report Robert A. filed for the UDD October 2010. It says something like 'army fired thousands of rounds into the protesters' on April 10th. Terrible shots, Thai Army personel, They only killed barely a handful and not even at the same location. Now the red-shirtsmilitants helping the red-shirts, better shots. They got a colonel with staff with one or two grenades.

Reference your comment about Amsterdams original report stating something like the army fired thousands of rounds etc do you not find it distasteful in making a "joke" to say that the army were terrible shots? In total around 93 people were killed by whichever side/sides, not really a joking matter, for them or their families.

I don't see him making a joke,

but pointing out the ironic absurdity of some of the hyperbolic content of Amsterdams so called reports.

[animatic]

The damned hamster has very little good taste, it's not in the job description.

" ...Don't you think the remarks by Robert A. are in bad taste?

Thousand of rounds 'into' a crowd sounds inflammatory.... "

The use of elipses [ ... ] and quotes [ " " ] to shorten long quotes and narrow comments

to single points of argument, is specifically recommended by Mods;

as long as correct CONTEXT is not lost by the removal of words.

ie quote and make things smaller but do NOT twist peoples words from what they obviously intended

Edited January 27, 2011 by animatic

[whybother]

There is "quoting a post in its entirety" and then there is completely removing all content. As for your last comment your posts too could benefit from not veering off on tangents and photo opportunities. I have said all I need to say on this subject for the sake of further readers of this particular posting.

AFAIK, the idea is to "not change the meaning of a quote". So, removing all of it doesn't change the meaning of it. People can just refer to the original post to see what was said in whole.

[LomSak27]

Looks like the "bomb plot" is backfiring on PAD and Abhisit will get some of the blowback from his erstwhile allies. You make your bed you sleep in it.

[phiphidon]

I think this illustrates my point

[Buchholz]

Perhaps initiating a forum support thread is the most appropriate avenue to pursue your concerns.

As direction on this issue needs to necessarily come from admin/mods over the various aspects of a forum rule.

.

Edited January 27, 2011 by Buchholz

[phiphidon]

I don't see him making a joke,

but pointing out the ironic absurdity of some of the hyperbolic content of Amsterdams so called reports.

Ironic absurdity can be applied to some of the reports supplied by Government/Army/DSI personnel as well. Amsterdam is not alone in this.

[Buchholz]

Buchholz quoted me as saying a while back (post #94 of this thread):

"Not so sure it was the Reds who were actually firing those grenade launchers. Recent reports indicate otherwise.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

FROM THE BANGKOK MASSACRES:

A CALL FOR ACCOUNTABILITY ― A White Paper by Amsterdam & Peroff LLP

Thank you for your reply, although I'm not so sure that an outfit billing itself as:

Amsterdam & Peroff deploys political advocacy where needed

http://www.amsterdamandperoff.com/political-advocacy.aspx

and who is in the employ of one of the principles involved is necessarily a credible report to cite, but just to put that aside for a moment, is it possible for you to reply to the other question asked (repeated also in Post # 94) and provide documentation for your assertion on that other issue?

[hammered]

Amsterdam is a paid advocate for one of the various players in the ongoing Thai power struggle. It is his job to present an arguement for his client and its allies. This is done in the quasi-legal adversarial manner that such things happen in Amsterdam's home country where the aim is to convince the people that a case is right. It is certainly not about establishing truth but about winning a case.

[Pi Sek]

Buchholz quoted me as saying a while back (post #94 of this thread):

"Not so sure it was the Reds who were actually firing those grenade launchers. Recent reports indicate otherwise.

whybother Posted 2011-01-13, 00:54

Which reports might those be?

jdinasia Posted 2011-01-13, 01:01

Actually, recent CONFESSIONS have put name/names to many of the attacks. Red/red allied/ronin ... call them what you will. It was the reds.

whybother Posted 2011-01-13, 01:03

Yes, so maybe bulmercke can supply us with the reports that have been hidden amongst all the red shirt arrests.

Pi Sek Posted 2011-01-13, 18:03

now we have pro-reds arguing that the govt was the one firing grenades? Which report? I call your bluff, my friend.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

FROM THE BANGKOK MASSACRES:

A CALL FOR ACCOUNTABILITY ― A White Paper by Amsterdam & Peroff LLP...

You call something by Amsterdam as a report????

bulmercke - quick question - do you personally believe Amsterdam & Peroff's "report"?