Thai-Foreigner Marriages?

[mark45y]

That's easy to answer. All the posters on Thai Visa have married wealthy educated Thai women who are gainfully employed in a reputable business and contribute financially to the marriage.

The off shore workers that are married to Thai women think their wife is 100% faithful and are supremely happy.

The old retired tourists marry bar girls and get taken for all of their money and return home in disgrace.

That takes care of 99%.

One guy bought his wife a beauty shop in Bangkok and appears to be happy.

A couple of farmers are still farming as wifey has not lowered the boom yet and the rest are single.

I hope you don't think the simple act of remaining single is a criticism of marriage. Staying single is simply a rational act based on the odds.

So why did you get married three times then ?

Shotguns.

Wear a party hat and there won't be a fourth !

A doctor took care of it for me.

[mstribling]

Chances are that if you speak Thai that you will find a better woman that is not a gold digger.

Wow, this is one guy who gets it. Agree 100%. There are always exceptions (which I'm sure TV members are keen to bring up), but if I had to give one piece of advice to a newbie regarding which Thai women to avoid, it'd be those that can speak English. Which of course means that you need to be able to speak Thai. Flame away.

Agree 100% about speaking Thai purely for the reason that you will have so many more women too choose from. What I don't agree with is when people come out with these sweeping statements to avoid all women who speak English. I can see why someone would say this but you have to be more specific and say avoid women who speak English in certain areas or professions. In Bangkok anyway ( not all of Thailand I know ) there are loads of women , professional people with good jobs who can speak English very well, never been anywhere near a bar and who would consider dating a foreigner. IMO for a relationship to work both parties should speak each others language fairly well and one of then should speak the others's language very well just so that when serious stuff came up there would be no misundersatndings and everyone knows where they stand.

It's the percentages, my friend. You are right, of course, regarding making sweeping statements. I'm sure you'll agree that there are many bargirls who are wonderful human beings and may not have a dishonest bone in their bodies. But would you recommend BGs for a wife? Of course not. There are simply too many who are on the take. Same with English speaking Thai women. Surely there are plenty who are not gold-diggers. But there are also plenty who are serial farang-hunters. Much more so than the average Thai girl who can't speak a lick of English.

You're absolutely correct when you say that those who can speak Thai "will have so many more women to choose from." I'll further add that if you speak Thai, you will have so many more good/normal Thai women to choose from.

Good girl's go to heaven. Bad girls go everywhere.

I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints.

[bermondburi]

Chances are that if you speak Thai that you will find a better woman that is not a gold digger.

Wow, this is one guy who gets it. Agree 100%. There are always exceptions (which I'm sure TV members are keen to bring up), but if I had to give one piece of advice to a newbie regarding which Thai women to avoid, it'd be those that can speak English. Which of course means that you need to be able to speak Thai. Flame away.

Agree 100% about speaking Thai purely for the reason that you will have so many more women too choose from. What I don't agree with is when people come out with these sweeping statements to avoid all women who speak English. I can see why someone would say this but you have to be more specific and say avoid women who speak English in certain areas or professions. In Bangkok anyway ( not all of Thailand I know ) there are loads of women , professional people with good jobs who can speak English very well, never been anywhere near a bar and who would consider dating a foreigner. IMO for a relationship to work both parties should speak each others language fairly well and one of then should speak the others's language very well just so that when serious stuff came up there would be no misundersatndings and everyone knows where they stand.

It's the percentages, my friend. You are right, of course, regarding making sweeping statements. I'm sure you'll agree that there are many bargirls who are wonderful human beings and may not have a dishonest bone in their bodies. But would you recommend BGs for a wife? Of course not. There are simply too many who are on the take. Same with English speaking Thai women. Surely there are plenty who are not gold-diggers. But there are also plenty who are serial farang-hunters. Much more so than the average Thai girl who can't speak a lick of English.

You're absolutely correct when you say that those who can speak Thai "will have so many more women to choose from." I'll further add that if you speak Thai, you will have so many more good/normal Thai women to choose from.

I never said that BGs were wonderful human beings and I would definitely not recommend anyone getting shacked up with one. But at the same time that doesn't mean that any woman who can speak English is a BG. Anyone with half a brain should be able to recognise the difference between a BG that speaks English and a normal woman who speaks English. You can't tar everyone with the same brush.

Obviously if you speak Thai you will have more good / normal Thai women to choose from. Like you said it's a numbers game.

IMO it's a bonus if your partner speaks English. Ideally ( like I said in previous post ) a couple should be proficient in both languages, and highly proficient in one and that is the language that is used for the serious stuff so that there are no misunderstandings .

[bermondburi]

I thought it was " good girls got heaven and bad girls go to Pattaya ! " Seem to remember seeing that on a T-shirt somewhere down in Sin City .

[balhamred]

Being able to speak thai helps you understand more about your partner and the culture. however, to anyone inferring that thai would be the main form of communication it is fairly bizarre. unless you have been learning hard for 20-30 years and have a natural ability with learning languages, the level of conversation would always be fairly basic. there is more to speaking a language than having knowledge of most of the words within it. what about all the nuances, implied meanings, expressions and phrases? without common knowledge of such things you will never be able to communicate 100% of your thoughts, emotions and humour with your 'life partner' and it is a sad day when someone settles for such a situation.

Does that work both ways then ? Does a Thai need to study English for 20-30 years and have a natural ability with languages ? I agree that knowledge of a language comes from experience of living in that language but to say that it takes 20-30 years is ridiculous. On what basis or experience do you say this ?

the basis that i say that is from living here, socialising and working with thai people from a variety of up-bringings.

and it does work both ways yes - the only chance a thai person will have perfected the english language is if they have learnt starting as a toddler from bilingual parents or have studied abroad. and even then they will still tend to not be totally au fait with grammar and the finer art forms of the language. if you pulled together the 100 best engish-speaking thais you know and asked them to write a few paragraphs on something, i would wager that maybe no more than 5 could do so without any errors.

but the real test is to take them to an english-speaking comedy club. how many would understand the jokes?

Edited January 28, 2011 by balhamred

[mark45y]

From my own experiences & observations, they all end well.

At least so far so good for me and the other few I know of.

They have a son together now.

They split up in 2005. She just dumped him and found herself another (farang) boyfriend while he was away at work.

He spent almost 2 million Baht on this relationship (including a bankbook with about 8-900 000, that she emptied as well).

Ok,

Who wrote this? Not you?

[bermondburi]

Being able to speak thai helps you understand more about your partner and the culture. however, to anyone inferring that thai would be the main form of communication it is fairly bizarre. unless you have been learning hard for 20-30 years and have a natural ability with learning languages, the level of conversation would always be fairly basic. there is more to speaking a language than having knowledge of most of the words within it. what about all the nuances, implied meanings, expressions and phrases? without common knowledge of such things you will never be able to communicate 100% of your thoughts, emotions and humour with your 'life partner' and it is a sad day when someone settles for such a situation.

Does that work both ways then ? Does a Thai need to study English for 20-30 years and have a natural ability with languages ? I agree that knowledge of a language comes from experience of living in that language but to say that it takes 20-30 years is ridiculous. On what basis or experience do you say this ?

the basis that i say that is from living here, socialising and working with thai people from a variety of up-bringings.

and it does work both ways yes - the only chance a thai person will have perfected the english language is if they have learnt starting as a toddler from bilingual parents or have studied abroad. and even then they will still tend to not be totally au fait with grammar and the finer art forms of the language. if you pulled together the 100 best engish-speaking thais and asked them to write a few paragraphs on something, i would wager that maybe no more than 5 could do so without any errors.

but the real test is to take them to an english-speaking comedy club. how many would understand the jokes?

My wife watches " Shameless " and she gets it and finds it quite funny. They all speak in a Manchester accent as well.

Come on , you can't be serious, if you took the 100 best English speaking Thais only five could write something with no mistakes. Load of rubbish.

I take it you're not married to a Thai then seeing as how the marriage is doomed due to linguistic incomprehension >

[Travel2003]

From my own experiences & observations, they all end well.

At least so far so good for me and the other few I know of.

They have a son together now.

They split up in 2005. She just dumped him and found herself another (farang) boyfriend while he was away at work.

He spent almost 2 million Baht on this relationship (including a bankbook with about 8-900 000, that she emptied as well).

Ok,

Who wrote this? Not you?

Ahh, yes.

Thank you for that one.

I might have written somewhere that they never went to the Amphur as well.

Just had the celebration.

Anyhow, my previous one was meant as a joke actually.

;-)

[balhamred]

Being able to speak thai helps you understand more about your partner and the culture. however, to anyone inferring that thai would be the main form of communication it is fairly bizarre. unless you have been learning hard for 20-30 years and have a natural ability with learning languages, the level of conversation would always be fairly basic. there is more to speaking a language than having knowledge of most of the words within it. what about all the nuances, implied meanings, expressions and phrases? without common knowledge of such things you will never be able to communicate 100% of your thoughts, emotions and humour with your 'life partner' and it is a sad day when someone settles for such a situation.

Does that work both ways then ? Does a Thai need to study English for 20-30 years and have a natural ability with languages ? I agree that knowledge of a language comes from experience of living in that language but to say that it takes 20-30 years is ridiculous. On what basis or experience do you say this ?

the basis that i say that is from living here, socialising and working with thai people from a variety of up-bringings.

and it does work both ways yes - the only chance a thai person will have perfected the english language is if they have learnt starting as a toddler from bilingual parents or have studied abroad. and even then they will still tend to not be totally au fait with grammar and the finer art forms of the language. if you pulled together the 100 best engish-speaking thais and asked them to write a few paragraphs on something, i would wager that maybe no more than 5 could do so without any errors.

but the real test is to take them to an english-speaking comedy club. how many would understand the jokes?

My wife watches " Shameless " and she gets it and finds it quite funny. They all speak in a Manchester accent as well.

Come on , you can't be serious, if you took the 100 best English speaking Thais only five could write something with no mistakes. Load of rubbish.

I take it you're not married to a Thai then seeing as how the marriage is doomed due to linguistic incomprehension >

sorry, i corrected my post - i meant the 100 best speaking that you know. as i mentioned there are a few, a precious few who are near-perfect speakers, who will almost certainly have a background of living in the UK or US when growing up (when aptitude for learning languages is higher).

i couldn't possibly comment on your personal marriage not knowing the individual circumstances - but if as you say that she understands exactly british humour to a 'T' i would guess she has somewhat of an international background.

[mark45y]

Being able to speak thai helps you understand more about your partner and the culture. however, to anyone inferring that thai would be the main form of communication it is fairly bizarre. unless you have been learning hard for 20-30 years and have a natural ability with learning languages, the level of conversation would always be fairly basic. there is more to speaking a language than having knowledge of most of the words within it. what about all the nuances, implied meanings, expressions and phrases? without common knowledge of such things you will never be able to communicate 100% of your thoughts, emotions and humour with your 'life partner' and it is a sad day when someone settles for such a situation.

Does that work both ways then ? Does a Thai need to study English for 20-30 years and have a natural ability with languages ? I agree that knowledge of a language comes from experience of living in that language but to say that it takes 20-30 years is ridiculous. On what basis or experience do you say this ?

the basis that i say that is from living here, socialising and working with thai people from a variety of up-bringings.

and it does work both ways yes - the only chance a thai person will have perfected the english language is if they have learnt starting as a toddler from bilingual parents or have studied abroad. and even then they will still tend to not be totally au fait with grammar and the finer art forms of the language. if you pulled together the 100 best engish-speaking thais you know and asked them to write a few paragraphs on something, i would wager that maybe no more than 5 could do so without any errors.

but the real test is to take them to an english-speaking comedy club. how many would understand the jokes?

I know a lot of Thais who speak very good English but they have all been educated or lived outside of Thailand.

Kind of like the new President of Estonia. I was listening to an inverview by the guy about the Euro and I thought, wow whatever language school he went to is where I want to go.

Then I read his bio. His parents were Estonian refugees. He grew up in the United States and graduated from Leonia High School in Leonia, New Jersey in 1972 as valedictorian. He attended a bachelors degree in psychology from Columbia University and a masters degree in the same subject from the University of Pennsylvania.

[Berkshire]

It's the percentages, my friend. You are right, of course, regarding making sweeping statements. I'm sure you'll agree that there are many bargirls who are wonderful human beings and may not have a dishonest bone in their bodies. But would you recommend BGs for a wife? Of course not. There are simply too many who are on the take. Same with English speaking Thai women. Surely there are plenty who are not gold-diggers. But there are also plenty who are serial farang-hunters. Much more so than the average Thai girl who can't speak a lick of English.

You're absolutely correct when you say that those who can speak Thai "will have so many more women to choose from." I'll further add that if you speak Thai, you will have so many more good/normal Thai women to choose from.

I never said that BGs were wonderful human beings and I would definitely not recommend anyone getting shacked up with one. But at the same time that doesn't mean that any woman who can speak English is a BG. Anyone with half a brain should be able to recognise the difference between a BG that speaks English and a normal woman who speaks English. You can't tar everyone with the same brush.

Obviously if you speak Thai you will have more good / normal Thai women to choose from. Like you said it's a numbers game.

IMO it's a bonus if your partner speaks English. Ideally ( like I said in previous post ) a couple should be proficient in both languages, and highly proficient in one and that is the language that is used for the serious stuff so that there are no misunderstandings .

Dude, chill. You never even brought up the topic of BGs, I did. I was the one who suggested that "some" may actually be wonderful human beings (read my post). I only brought them up as an example. I'm absolutely not suggesting that all Thai girls who speak English are BGs. What I'm saying is that in my experience, a higher percentage of Thai girls who speak English (which would include the BGs) are of dubious intent, as compared to all the Thai girls who can't speak English. That's all.

[bkkjames]

It's the percentages, my friend. You are right, of course, regarding making sweeping statements. I'm sure you'll agree that there are many bargirls who are wonderful human beings and may not have a dishonest bone in their bodies. But would you recommend BGs for a wife? Of course not. There are simply too many who are on the take. Same with English speaking Thai women. Surely there are plenty who are not gold-diggers. But there are also plenty who are serial farang-hunters. Much more so than the average Thai girl who can't speak a lick of English.

You're absolutely correct when you say that those who can speak Thai "will have so many more women to choose from." I'll further add that if you speak Thai, you will have so many more good/normal Thai women to choose from.

I never said that BGs were wonderful human beings and I would definitely not recommend anyone getting shacked up with one. But at the same time that doesn't mean that any woman who can speak English is a BG. Anyone with half a brain should be able to recognise the difference between a BG that speaks English and a normal woman who speaks English. You can't tar everyone with the same brush.

Obviously if you speak Thai you will have more good / normal Thai women to choose from. Like you said it's a numbers game.

IMO it's a bonus if your partner speaks English. Ideally ( like I said in previous post ) a couple should be proficient in both languages, and highly proficient in one and that is the language that is used for the serious stuff so that there are no misunderstandings .

Dude, chill. You never even brought up the topic of BGs, I did. I was the one who suggested that "some" may actually be wonderful human beings (read my post). I only brought them up as an example. I'm absolutely not suggesting that all Thai girls who speak English are BGs. What I'm saying is that in my experience, a higher percentage of Thai girls who speak English (which would include the BGs) are of dubious intent, as compared to all the Thai girls who can't speak English. That's all.

In 11 years of working in offices here, 90 percent of the staff were / are quite capable in English to varying degrees: while they may be a lot of things,filled with dubious intent I don't think ranks that high. Your generalization on the other hand...

[slapout]

Marriages would probably have a much better chance of longevity if the partners would/could maintain a long distance relationship. If that is not possible, both can work different shifts at different places of employment and meet in passing during the work week. The weekends can be your quality time together.

Leisure time, boredom with each other, lack of private time, etc contribute to the breakup of relationships. How many marriages failed when the man was working 12 to 14 hours a day and the woman was putting in the same length of time, or more, cooking, cleaning and taking care of the kids?

[mark45y]

Marriages would probably have a much better chance of longevity if the partners would/could maintain a long distance relationship. If that is not possible, both can work different shifts at different places of employment and meet in passing during the work week. The weekends can be your quality time together.

Leisure time, boredom with each other, lack of private time, etc contribute to the breakup of relationships. How many marriages failed when the man was working 12 to 14 hours a day and the woman was putting in the same length of time, or more, cooking, cleaning and taking care of the kids?

That comment is one of the most bizarre not supported by fact statements that I have ever heard.

Not only does it fly in the face of my personal experience but every expert on marriage and relationships in the world anywhere.

It is really off the wall. No offense intended but more so having been made in a Thai centric forum.

The failure rate has to be around 95%.

Unless you count the relationships that have more than one husband. Then it goes up considerably.

Thai women handle multiple relationships better than most in my experience. No guilt.

Thai women might actually be world leaders in this category. And good for them. I'll never tell.

[Thongkorn]

I must be one of the Lucky ones , my wife is my soul mate and she is Thai , she has two part time jobs in the UK. she got them herself, never asks for money and is always ready to help in anything i do or want to do. She sends some of her money home for her mam , who i have meet many times and trust totally.There are good and bad in Every Society, If you are looking to marry any woman i would take your time to know the person , and not just because she is attractive like most Thai women, You will have to understand Thai Customs and respect them . and don't try and make a diamond out of a piece of coal.

Edited January 28, 2011 by Thongkorn

[richard_smith237]

My advice is to be very cautious. Thai women that marry farangs are in many cases goldiggers.

Unique to Thai women?

Seriously though OP, if it's 51% say marriages work out and 49% say marriages end in failure, that will sway your decision?

Don't get married would be my advise.

Chances are that if you speak Thai that you will find a better woman that is not a gold digger.

Wow, this is one guy who gets it. Agree 100%. There are always exceptions (which I'm sure TV members are keen to bring up), but if I had to give one piece of advice to a newbie regarding which Thai women to avoid, it'd be those that can speak English. Which of course means that you need to be able to speak Thai. Flame away.

While I agree with these sentiments I suspect three is a fundamental flaw in this logic...

Avoid those who can speak 'Engrish' with poor pronunciation (i.e. potential bar girl speak).

But, do not avoid those who speak English with clarity and grammar that only a good education could provide (the difference is obvious).

The reasons - In the same manner that you yourself are a respectable person who has learnt to speak Thai from respectable sources (and hence you do not speak Thai like a bar girl), you will have shown that you are prepared to make effort in a foreign culture. BUT, this works both ways, a suitable partner will or should always be able to meet you half way and show that she / he can make effort to meet 'your culture'...

Edited January 28, 2011 by richard_smith237

[mstribling]

If I wanted to hear someone yapping perfect English at me... Well I'd soon sandpaper a lion's ass in a phone booth.

I enjoy every single moment where I am looking at my dear wife and wondering "<deleted> is she talking about?"

She thinks the same thing.

Just the other day as I walked out to water the garden she was breaking squelch and waving her arms around.

Seems I need to learn "There is a snake in the garden."

Our communication difficulties cause numerous fights, but we work it out.

She is just a simple girl from the East coast. I'm just an easy guy to get along with.

Getting worked up about peoples jobs, English abilities, suspect past, education levels. Man it just seems like a drag.

Im happy now, that might change, no big deal.

I think, and this is only my opinion so flame away.

We Western men are just hung up on this whole notion of romance,soul-mates, and whatever else Oprah has told you.

I like the way Thai's approach it.

"It's all good as long as it's all good."

[Chunky1]

Find someone close to your own age and of similar economic and educational standing who can stand on their own two feet.

[jdinasia]

My advice is to be very cautious. Thai women that marry farangs are in many cases goldiggers.

I thought from the other thread that you had NEVER had a relationship with a Thai woman. The fact that you can't find one might simply be your attitude.

[pjclark1]

I'm not in the market & hope this thread won't degenerate into opinions of marriage. Just curious what people have actually seen or experienced first hand

That's easy to answer. All the posters on Thai Visa have married wealthy educated Thai women who are gainfully employed in a reputable business and contribute financially to the marriage.

The off shore workers that are married to Thai women think their wife is 100% faithful and are supremely happy.

The old retired tourists marry bar girls and get taken for all of their money and return home in disgrace.

That takes care of 99%.

One guy bought his wife a beauty shop in Bangkok and appears to be happy.

A couple of farmers are still farming as wifey has not lowered the boom yet and the rest are single.

I hope you don't think the simple act of remaining single is a criticism of marriage. Staying single is simply a rational act based on the odds.

You are incorrect

My lady left school at age 13 to work on the family farm, and has zero education.

The only work she does is look after me and eat.

I get thoroughly worked out every day, except Buddha day.

After a year of this

I actually have begun to look forward to Buddha day, I'm getting very tired!

Not even any energy left to play away.

And to make it worse, I have two degrees and am very old and spoke no Thai, she is 20 years younger and spoke no English when we met, I agreed to marry her after knowing her 1 week, we married 2 weeks later.

Edited January 28, 2011 by pjclark1

[kokesaat]

My observations:

Married in 1973 to a Thai girl....still married today. Back in the US, we know at least 7 couples who have been married as long.

Now living back in Thailand, we know 9 couples who have been married 25+ years each. And we know many more who have been married more than 10 but less than 20.

Do lots of Thai/falang marriages fail? Sure. Same same back in the US with falang/falang marriages. In my opinion, there's no magic pill....most of the people we know who are married to Thais can't speak Thai, but they're still married. Some eat Thai food all the time, some never. During my 20+ years in the Air Force, I met hundreds of married couples. I'd guess that I know more falangs whose marriages to Asians have endured than I know falangs whose marriage to falangs have endured.

[Chunky1]

The thing all married couples have in common is boredom. A necessary evil, nonetheless.

Edited January 28, 2011 by Chunky1

[TAWP]

/../ if I had to give one piece of advice to a newbie regarding which Thai women to avoid, it'd be those that can speak English. Which of course means that you need to be able to speak Thai. Flame away.

Hahaha - completely wrong. Seriously, you would look for a uneducated farmer girl and think things would end well instead of a western educated or just decently locally university-educated one of a middle-class family?

Yeah, you do that then, and good luck to you.

[Beetlejuice]

Marrying women is a risky business these days no matter where you are.

The UK just introduced a law that gives a wife the right to divorce if the husband shouts at her.

In Thailand many Thai women that marry farangs are in it purely for gain. They are professional, liars and cheats. If not careful the husband stands to lose everything. But there are some decent Thai women to be had if you use savvy and play the game sensibly.

For example if you are seeking a 20 something Park Lane model type and you are middle aged average looking guy, you are pushing your luck. She will be gone as soon as the gravy pot dries up, if not before.

Also try to avoid the low class beer bar types believing that you are a Knight in shining armour rescuing her from a life of poverty and strife. It would be like giving a rat caviar; they just would not appreciate it.

See the chart below, this is a great guide and should help you with your search:

[Hal65]

Interesting & illuminating chart, thanks for posting. I see some traits that seem to conflict, namely traditional values vs intellect. A shame because my ideal girl would be both intelligent & sexually submissive (in the sense that she doesn't use sex as a tool for manipulation, as is common in the west)

Unfortunately I can understand how the traits can conflict. Women have a lower sex drive than us & 10+ years down the line it makes sense that the more intellectual ones would rather not put out whenever the man asks for it.

[travelmann]

Intercultural marriages have a higher rate of ending in failure, because of the cultural differences which causes misunderstandings. It is important to have eye for each other different cultures and respect that. Also language can sometimes be a problem and a cause of confusion and misunderstanding.

How you handle that together is an important factor

dam_n right the language misunderstandings are huge, tonight my wife told me to "off " something from our website so i removed it, 5 minutes later she said not"off" just not available (rooms for rent) what she meant was it was "rented" and she does know this word.

Id deleted it off the website and the photo website and my com completely..............doh!!!!!!!!!

[Mossfinn]

My advice is to be very cautious. Thai women that marry farangs are in many cases goldiggers.

Fortunately, from what I've seen, the men they marry are social morons. They deserve each other really.

You haven't seen very much then have you, You should try getting out more.

More sweeping statements.

It helps if you are able to put together the link Samran is alluding to

[MAJIC]

Whilst I believe that the couple should respect each others Culture,

in reality the average Thai woman has no concept of Western Culture,

and the Majority see no reason to learn either.

With the exceptions of the good bits e.g Earnings are by the Hour,and not the endless Thai work day.

And try telling one that you find it offensive to be called a Farang in your own Country,and suddenly they go into ignorant mode.

Whether based in Thailand or a Western Country expect an up hill struggle.

Edited January 28, 2011 by MAJIC

[Mrbiggus]

http://www.thmnews.com/love-in-phuket-thai-foreigner-marriages-that-fail.html

http://www.youtube.com/NotanIdiot2

[MAJIC]

Marrying women is a risky business these days no matter where you are.

The UK just introduced a law that gives a wife the right to divorce if the husband shouts at her.

In Thailand many Thai women that marry farangs are in it purely for gain. They are professional, liars and cheats. If not careful the husband stands to lose everything. But there are some decent Thai women to be had if you use savvy and play the game sensibly.

For example if you are seeking a 20 something Park Lane model type and you are middle aged average looking guy, you are pushing your luck. She will be gone as soon as the gravy pot dries up, if not before.

Also try to avoid the low class beer bar types believing that you are a Knight in shining armour rescuing her from a life of poverty and strife. It would be like giving a rat caviar; they just would not appreciate it.

See the chart below, this is a great guide and should help you with your search:

Im not trying be clever,

But this has been in place for many years,under the Collective / Legal name of: "Unreasonable Behaviour" which is open to either Partner,and is Grounds for Divorce!

.

Edited January 28, 2011 by MAJIC