Obama meets with national security advisers on Egypt

[kuffki]

If bama saying something at the White House isnt official then i cant show you any statements ... does it need to be stamped and signed?

Yes i googled it and it also showed you as being a fat septic sexpat, who travels to poor nations for young kids.

But one question that youve never answered is do you believe America should get involved in all world issues such as this?

Well to be official position, then yeah it has be an official statement! DOH!!!

will not even bother to respond to yet another personal insult. Just further shows your intellect or lack there of.

Yes i do believe America has all the right to get involved especially when it comes to Egypt, BECAUSE America is giving Egyptian army $1.3 billion per year.

Egypt also gets 12 000 000 tourists per year which makes up 12% of its GDP.

So if Egypt wants to stay in the economic position it is in now, it is in Egypt's best interest to listen to USA and the rest of the world.

The only thing America has asked for it to keep it civil and avoid loss of life.

What puzzles me though is the fact and i quote your words "All ive done for 3 weeks since returning home is watch news (no CNN Fox or any other US drivel) Just Brit drivel.", do you not have a life or anything else better to do then to watch the drivel????

PS. Expat or sexpat as you like to call it, does not travel, he actually lives in the country, otherwise he would be a sextourist.

[craigt3365]

Calm down guys. Luckily, an extremely derogatory post has been edited and the inflammatory comments deleted. Otherwise, an official warning was in order.

[geriatrickid]

Here's why Mr. Obama has to know what's going on;

From Foreign Affairs Canada;

Already, two flights chartered by the Government of Canada have transported more than 200 Canadians from Egypt. Both flights arrived in Frankfurt, Germany, where they were met by consular staff who assisted in arranging onward travel and overnight accommodation. The first two successful flights also evacuated citizens of Australia, the United States and Great Britain. An additional flight, which landed in Frankfurt on Tuesday, successfully evacuated 131 Canadian passengers.

What was not mentioned in the release is that the Canadian evacuation flight was blocked by Egyptian policemen that demanded US$2000 or else they would not allow the flights to leave. The Canadian embassy staff were obliged to take up a collection from the terrified passengers to pay the bribe. (Canada has said it will reimburse those that donated.) In the course of the shakedown, the evacuees were intimidated and reportedly threatened.

The US has evacuated the families of the US embassy and flown in marines to guard the embassy. At this time, the contingency plan is to provide emergency evacuation of Canadian, UK and otherforeign diplomatic staff that remain should they be unable to escape. Several foreign embassies are in danger of being looted and the contingency plan is for foreign staff to retreat to friendly embassies should the need arise. The US has a naval task force off the coast of Egypt ready to provide the evacuation helicopters should the need arise. The Canadian PM is in Washington DC on Friday to meet with President Obama on another issue, but we can expect a joint statement. The US State Department has now asked all US citizens to leave Egypt now as it is unlikely they will be able to maintain evacuation flights.

[powderpuff]

Obama believes in the rule of law - except when a Federal Judge rules that Obama Care is unconstitutional. Then he pretends he is deaf. Of course not too much coverage of this ruling in the obamalibmedia.

[powderpuff]

Wow GK. So it looks like we are gonna get a replay of the Carter Administration.

[LaoPo]

Yes i do believe America has all the right to get involved especially when it comes to Egypt, BECAUSE America is giving Egyptian army $1.3 billion per year.

Egypt also gets 12 000 000 tourists per year which makes up 12% of its GDP.

So if Egypt wants to stay in the economic position it is in now, it is in Egypt's best interest to listen to USA and the rest of the world.

They give the same amount of money to Israel; it was part of the deal in the peace agreement of 1979.

The agreement resulted in relative peace in the Middle East but the same peace was created to let a huge country with 82 million people like Egypt stay in deep poverty and a dictator and his military generals in power and enormous wealth.

LaoPo

[mark45y]

Yes i do believe America has all the right to get involved especially when it comes to Egypt, BECAUSE America is giving Egyptian army $1.3 billion per year.

Egypt also gets 12 000 000 tourists per year which makes up 12% of its GDP.

So if Egypt wants to stay in the economic position it is in now, it is in Egypt's best interest to listen to USA and the rest of the world.

They give the same amount of money to Israel; it was part of the deal in the peace agreement of 1979.

The agreement resulted in relative peace in the Middle East but the same peace was created to let a huge country with 82 million people like Egypt stay in deep poverty and a dictator and his military generals in power and enormous wealth.

LaoPo

You are assuming that any other power in Egypt would not have accumulated enormous wealth? Like the British maybe? Perhaps you can enlighten us as to what administration in Egypt did not accumulate enormous wealth. Did the pyramids get built by charitable contributions? Oh BTW what American administration was at fault when the pyramids were built? If it was bad they must have had something to do with it? Right? Your constant bashing is so tiring over and over again the same stuff.

[kuffki]

Yes i do believe America has all the right to get involved especially when it comes to Egypt, BECAUSE America is giving Egyptian army $1.3 billion per year.

Egypt also gets 12 000 000 tourists per year which makes up 12% of its GDP.

So if Egypt wants to stay in the economic position it is in now, it is in Egypt's best interest to listen to USA and the rest of the world.

They give the same amount of money to Israel; it was part of the deal in the peace agreement of 1979.

The agreement resulted in relative peace in the Middle East but the same peace was created to let a huge country with 82 million people like Egypt stay in deep poverty and a dictator and his military generals in power and enormous wealth.

LaoPo

actually to be correct, Israel gets more but this thread is not about Israel

[LaoPo]

Yes i do believe America has all the right to get involved especially when it comes to Egypt, BECAUSE America is giving Egyptian army $1.3 billion per year.

Egypt also gets 12 000 000 tourists per year which makes up 12% of its GDP.

So if Egypt wants to stay in the economic position it is in now, it is in Egypt's best interest to listen to USA and the rest of the world.

They give the same amount of money to Israel; it was part of the deal in the peace agreement of 1979.

The agreement resulted in relative peace in the Middle East but the same peace was created to let a huge country with 82 million people like Egypt stay in deep poverty and a dictator and his military generals in power and enormous wealth.

LaoPo

You are assuming that any other power in Egypt would not have accumulated enormous wealth? Like the British maybe? Perhaps you can enlighten us as to what administration in Egypt did not accumulate enormous wealth. Did the pyramids get built by charitable contributions? Oh BTW what American administration was at fault when the pyramids were built? If it was bad they must have had something to do with it? Right? Your constant bashing is so tiring over and over again the same stuff.

What pure nonsense!

Bashing to whom?

I write about facts in the 1979 peace treaty whereby it was arranged that both Egypt and Israel would get the same amount of (mainly military) aid from the US, that's it.

The consequences of that peace arrangement were that the Generals' regime in Egypt could stay in power and got wealthy from the money supplied to them; whether that was a good thing or not remains to be seen but it were and are the facts.

LaoPo

[LaoPo]

Yes i do believe America has all the right to get involved especially when it comes to Egypt, BECAUSE America is giving Egyptian army $1.3 billion per year.

Egypt also gets 12 000 000 tourists per year which makes up 12% of its GDP.

So if Egypt wants to stay in the economic position it is in now, it is in Egypt's best interest to listen to USA and the rest of the world.

They give the same amount of money to Israel; it was part of the deal in the peace agreement of 1979.

The agreement resulted in relative peace in the Middle East but the same peace was created to let a huge country with 82 million people like Egypt stay in deep poverty and a dictator and his military generals in power and enormous wealth.

LaoPo

actually to be correct, Israel gets more but this thread is not about Israel

Sure; that amount changed over the years; the deal in 1979 was that both countries would receive the same amount: $ 1.3 Billion/year and it was about installing and creating peace in the Middle East where both Egypt and Israel belong to.

LaoPo

[mark45y]

Yes i do believe America has all the right to get involved especially when it comes to Egypt, BECAUSE America is giving Egyptian army $1.3 billion per year.

Egypt also gets 12 000 000 tourists per year which makes up 12% of its GDP.

So if Egypt wants to stay in the economic position it is in now, it is in Egypt's best interest to listen to USA and the rest of the world.

They give the same amount of money to Israel; it was part of the deal in the peace agreement of 1979.

The agreement resulted in relative peace in the Middle East but the same peace was created to let a huge country with 82 million people like Egypt stay in deep poverty and a dictator and his military generals in power and enormous wealth.

LaoPo

You are assuming that any other power in Egypt would not have accumulated enormous wealth? Like the British maybe? Perhaps you can enlighten us as to what administration in Egypt did not accumulate enormous wealth. Did the pyramids get built by charitable contributions? Oh BTW what American administration was at fault when the pyramids were built? If it was bad they must have had something to do with it? Right? Your constant bashing is so tiring over and over again the same stuff.

What pure nonsense!

Bashing to whom?

I write about facts in the 1979 peace treaty whereby it was arranged that both Egypt and Israel would get the same amount of (mainly military) aid from the US, that's it.

The consequences of that peace arrangement were that the Generals' regime in Egypt could stay in power and got wealthy from the money supplied to them; whether that was a good thing or not remains to be seen but it were and are the facts.

LaoPo

Do you ever answer a question or only go on blithely mouthing insults like I am talking nonsense.

You said, “The agreement resulted in relative peace in the Middle East but the same peace was created to let a huge country with 82 million people like Egypt stay in deep poverty and a dictator and his military generals in power and enormous wealth.”

You implied that American created an Egyptian administration that kept Egypt in poverty and a dictator and generals gain enormous wealth.

I said what administration in Egypt ever did not strive for enormous power and wealth?

The only thing America changed was the striving and creation of wealth went on in a peaceful environment which was better than the previous 20 years.

You made up some negatives about a positive peaceful process only because of your ingrained hatred of America. Give it a rest. Not everyone is fascinated in reading a negative spin on even positive peace processes.

[slapout]

Those scaremongering people/posters may well remember when the Suez was not usable and the joint effort by several of the western countries to put it right.

There is a good bit of foreign investment in Egypt/Middle East,(both private and government sourced) but that may also be noted as "sticking their nose in someone else s business" by some of our members.

[mark45y]

Those scaremongering people/posters may well remember when the Suez was not usable and the joint effort by several of the western countries to put it right.

There is a good bit of foreign investment in Egypt/Middle East,(both private and government sourced) but that may also be noted as "sticking their nose in someone else s business" by some of our members.

CONVENTION BETWEEN GREAT BRITAIN, GERMANY, AUSTRIA-HUNGARY, SPAIN, FRANCE, ITALY, THE NETHERLANDS, RUSSIA AND TURKEY, RESPECTING THE FREE NAVIGATION OF THE SUEZ MARITIME CANAL SIGNED AT CONSTANTINOPLE, OCTOBER 29, 1888

ARTICLE I

The Suez Maritime Canal shall always be free and of commerce or of war, without ditinction of flag.

[LaoPo]

You made up some negatives about a positive peaceful process only because of your ingrained hatred of America. Give it a rest. Not everyone is fascinated in reading a negative spin on even positive peace processes.

Don't write nonsense......"your ingrained hatred of America" .......a country where I built businesses and have many friends..?..what a nonsense.

If you can't stand the truth, if you can't read facts, don't read my posts.

LaoPo

[Ulysses G.]

I always wondered who ran the Anarchist Bookstore in San Francisco.

[mark45y]

You made up some negatives about a positive peaceful process only because of your ingrained hatred of America. Give it a rest. Not everyone is fascinated in reading a negative spin on even positive peace processes.

Don't write nonsense......"your ingrained hatred of America" .......a country where I built businesses and have many friends..?..what a nonsense.

If you can't stand the truth, if you can't read facts, don't read my posts.

LaoPo

Stop editing my posts so you don't have to answer my original question. It is impolite and must be against some rule. If you can't stand to answer my questions don't respond to my posts. Tis you who can't stand the truth. But at least I don't edit your posts because I cant deal with reality.

You said, “The agreement resulted in relative peace in the Middle East but the same peace was created to let a huge country with 82 million people like Egypt stay in deep poverty and a dictator and his military generals in power and enormous wealth.”

You implied that American created an Egyptian administration that kept Egypt in poverty and a dictator and generals gain enormous wealth.

I said, "what administration in Egypt ever did not strive for enormous power and wealth?"

The only thing America changed was the striving and creation of wealth went on in a peaceful environment which was better than the previous 20 years.

[geriatrickid]

Obama believes in the rule of law - except when a Federal Judge rules that Obama Care is unconstitutional. Then he pretends he is deaf. Of course not too much coverage of this ruling in the obamalibmedia.

Be fair. Although 2 Federal judges gave a negative opinion in respect to 2 states, 2 other Federal judges gavea positive opinion in respect to 2 other states. It iis dishonest to use the term Obamacare., because it is a Bill that originated in the HR, not with the President. The rule of law means allowing people to contest a Bill in the courts that they disagree with and that is being done.

It is unfair to blame the fiasco in Egypt on Mr. Obama. US policies were in place long before Mr. Obama took office. The $1billion given to Egypt's miliitary dates back to Republican admins. Had the US not poured the money into Egypt, who knows what would haave happened. At the very least the US would have been accused of favourtism if it had not given to Egypt. One thing is certain though. The US hasn't wasted its money on Israel, which is looking like it will be the only remaining democracy in the region that the USA can count on.

[LaoPo]

I always wondered who ran the Anarchist Bookstore in San Francisco.

As a specialist in second hand bookstores, also in San Francisco, I thought you would know, no ?

http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=nl&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENNL370&=&q=Anarchist+Bookstore+in+San+Francisco&btnG=Google+zoeken&aq=&oq=

Sigh...I miss San Francisco.......

LaoPo

Edited February 3, 2011 by LaoPo

[Ulysses G.]

The Anarchist Bookstore was always full of skinheads back when I lived close by, so I spent very little time there.

Edited February 3, 2011 by Ulysses G.

[LaoPo]

B.E., Before Egypt. A.E., After Egypt.

Published, February 1, 2011

By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN

RAMALLAH, West Bank

I'm meeting a retired Israeli general at a Tel Aviv hotel. As I take my seat, he begins the conversation with: "Well, everything we thought for the last 30 years is no longer relevant."

That pretty much sums up the disorienting sense of shock and awe that the popular uprising in Egypt has inflicted on the psyche of Israel's establishment. The peace treaty with a stable Egypt was the unspoken foundation for every geopolitical and economic policy in Israel for the last 35 years, and now it's gone. It's as if Americans suddenly woke up and found both Mexico and Canada plunged into turmoil on the same day.

Story continues here:

http://www.nytimes.c...=me&ref=general

About Thomas L. Friedman:

Thomas L. Friedman won the 2002 Pulitzer Prize for commentary, his third Pulitzer for The New York Times. He became the paper's foreign-affairs columnist in 1995. Previously, he served as chief economic correspondent in the Washington bureau and before that he was the chief White House correspondent. In 2005, Mr. Friedman was elected as a member of the Pulitzer Prize Board.

Mr. Friedman joined The Times in 1981 and was appointed Beirut bureau chief in 1982. In 1984 Mr. Friedman was transferred from Beirut to Jerusalem, where he served as Israel bureau chief until 1988. Mr. Friedman was awarded the 1983 Pulitzer Prize for international reporting (from Lebanon) and the 1988 Pulitzer Prize for international reporting (from Israel).

read more:

http://topics.nytime...?inline=nyt-per

LaoPo

Edited February 3, 2011 by metisdead
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[metisdead]

I had to dig around for awhile to find some reference to the fair use law. As noted in the reason for edit above:

It is generally accepted, but not written into law, that quoting the first two or three sentences of an article and giving a link to the source is considered “fair use” and not a violation of copyright.

Therefore in future, please <snip> the quoted article after the first two, three or four sentences and then provide the source link.

Thanks.

[LaoPo]

I had to dig around for awhile to find some reference to the fair use law. As noted in the reason for edit above:

It is generally accepted, but not written into law, that quoting the first two or three sentences of an article and giving a link to the source is considered "fair use" and not a violation of copyright.

Therefore in future, please <snip> the quoted article after the first two, three or four sentences and then provide the source link.

Thanks.

I will pay attention to it. Thank you.

LaoPo