18 Yr-old Dutch Woman Raped In Phuket

[The_Moog]

The real crime here, besides the rape, is people like us blaming victims of rape for what happened.

and assuming that any male who is accused of rape by some hysterical female is automatically guilty, pre-trial.

(Remember that Hong Kong woman who falsely accused a tuk tuk driver from Rajdamri road in 2004)

[britmaveric]

Moog - point taken, however the victim has a black eye and was bleeding. Somehow I'd take her word for it.

Edited September 16, 2005 by britmaveric

[Boo]

we can only go on what is reported & as the accused have done a dissapearing act they are not doing themselves any favours to claim their innocence. If the reports of the girls injuries are true then it looks likely that she was forced into having non conseual sex. That is rape whatever her reasons for going to his room IMO.

[bkkbound04]

completely disgusted

i hope the law catches and deals with these 2

i'd just like to point out that i have several thai male friends who would be equally disgusted by this, if my friends had been there/seen it they would have intervened

don't believe that all thai's are like this, it's a buddhist country and most thai citizens put peeps in my homeland to shame

i feel for this girl and her familly

as for peeps who keep saying"rape is not a sexual crime but a violent one" read some books....

the act itself may be violent in our eyes

..but the rapist is a sexual deviant who get's their kicks/rush from this act/situation

therefore it is a sexual crime i.e the motives for commiting the crime are a sexual urge

i hope they are shamed and jailed for this

[britmaveric]

Actually rape is about "power" or "control", not so much sexual.

[bkkbound04]

what does the feeling of "power and control" do for the rapist?

feed their sexual urge?

it's how they get their kicks

[bkkbound04]

...the power and control thing satisfies their warped sexual needs in the way that a loving non "power and control" relationship wouldn't

[The_Moog]

...the power and control thing satisfies their warped sexual needs

Like when 'Stroll' was a Moderator on another Forum Board.

[meemiathai]

Actually rape is about "power" or "control", not so much sexual.

My opinion is every case is different. But I do tend to believe it's more about sexual than power.

Also the difference between sex and power is actually quite vague.

Even ordinary couples having sex, it is hard to define if the male part is sexually satisfied or actually satisfied with the so called "power".

So I think there is no point arguing whether it is power or sex that drives people to rape someone. Because they are too closely related.

[texan_cowboy]

Eighteen-year-old “Anna” (not her real name) told police she had been attacked twice earlier that morning at the residence of the accused on Siriraj Rd.

I got raped 14 times on PatPong it took 17k bhat and 2 days!

those were the days boys...

[sriracha john]

Eighteen-year-old “Anna” (not her real name) told police she had been attacked twice earlier that morning at the residence of the accused on Siriraj Rd.

I got raped 14 times on PatPong it took 17k bhat and 2 days!

those were the days boys...

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Too bad the boys didn't break off one of those beer bottles inside of you... then maybe you could appreciate the true seriousness of rape.

Edited September 16, 2005 by sriracha john

[JimsKnight]

Any young female tourist that hooks up with (or trusts) a Thai male should be prepared for the consequences.

Many Thai females are raped by someone they are close to by the time they are 15 - 17

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

This guy needs a head shrink! Never heard such crap in all my life! So what your saying is that many thai men are in fact rapists?? Get a fcking grip you moron!

Similar to the bullsht story about many issan girls having been abused by their father!

Edited September 17, 2005 by JimsKnight

[plachon]

The real crime here, besides the rape, is people like us blaming victims of rape for what happened.

and assuming that any male who is accused of rape by some hysterical female is automatically guilty, pre-trial.

(Remember that Hong Kong woman who falsely accused a tuk tuk driver from Rajdamri road in 2004)

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Yes, I do and think a serious miscarriage of justice occurred in her case. If the "facts" as presented are sifted over in that case, it raises far more questions than answers. She may have mistakenly accused the wrong tuk-tuk driver (perhaps under strong pressure from the police to identify a suspect from a line-up soon after the incident), but that doesn't mean she was not raped by a tuk-tuk driver. The case had holes in it so large, that an elephant could have driven through them. But I guess she was "asking for it too", as she was alleged to have been drinking before the alleged incident took place and you know what Thai society thinks about Asian women who drink alcohol..........

[crocodilexp]

40,000 Baht is a 1,000 USD and a joke. If I was a parent of the poor girl I'd put 10x that money on their heads (the little ones that it is)...

Well, look at it the other way... in Th, an average salary is about 4k/month, so 40k is about 10 months work. An equivalent fine in the USA would be $30k+ (since $40k is an average annual salary). Of course, rape deserves a prison term as well, not sure why they have a monetary fine in addition.

This seems to be a pretty terrible event, and won't do much to improve Thailand's reputation... but same things unfortunately happen everywhere with some regularity.

As for the people bashing Thai males... farang can be rather <kee nok> too.

[kat]

As I've said many times on this forum, stating facts is not the same as bashing. The women in question are Thai, after all. I've also said that rape and abuse occurs everywhere and in every society, but its prevelance, context, and response to it, are socially and politically distinct. Therefore, merely stating that it's the same everywhere does little to understand specific circumstances, and is nothing more than an excuse to minimize or not think.

Any young female tourist that hooks up with (or trusts) a Thai male should be prepared for the consequences.

Many Thai females are raped by someone they are close to by the time they are 15 - 17

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

This guy needs a head shrink! Never heard such crap in all my life! So what your saying is that many thai men are in fact rapists?? Get a fcking grip you moron!

Similar to the bullsht story about many issan girls having been abused by their father!

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

So, because you've never "heard such crap" in your life, everyone else who has is a moron? Please hold your insults until your "expertise" extends beyond your own ego.

Here is yet another article and link out of many that I have posted on this forum (skip if you are not interested):

Situation Analysis 1 on sexual abuse in Thailand

I. Assessment of the Circumstances1

1. 1 Manifestations of the problem

It is not easy to determine the level of severity of child sexual abuse in Thailand due to the country's lack of efficient macro data base on the issue. With data gathered from local media in the past 3 years, it is clear that problems regarding child sexual abuse have grown. There are evidently more reports on children being raped and murdered Abuses take place throughout whether it be in big cities, small towns, or in rural villages, at a child's house, at school, and even in a religious monastery. The age of abusers and victims have been younger. There was an incident where a boy accused of rape and murder a four-year-old girl was a 13 year-old juvenile. The youngest victim reported was 8 months old.2

There are more reports of child sexual abuse by the victims' father. Many children are repeatedly sexually abused for a long period of time by men living in the same household. Sexual abusers are mostly close family members or relatives such as father, grandfather, brother, uncle, teacher, and male neighbor. Boys and girls, and children born to wealthy or poor families are all subjects to sexual abuse. Girls are found to be at higher risk than boys. Child sexual abuse problems have developed greater in degrees and in more complicated ways.

The four main resources of data on child sexual abuse are:

1. Daily news reports and articles from newspapers, magazines, radio stations and television networks.

2. Data from non-governmental organizations working with children and women to provide them support. There has been an increasing use of counseling and support services every year, especially on the issue of sexual harassment and abuse.

3. Statistics of rape cases from Division of Plan and Research of Police Department. The statistics however do not include cases of rape and murder nor pay attention to the age of the victims. The statistics reported are also far less than reality. It is estimated, for the case of Thailand, that only 5% of the actual incidents was reported.

4. Statistics from hospitals throughout the country where sexual abuse victims receive medical services. It is unfortunate that the statistics are not collected and filed systematically unless it is to be used for specific research purposes. As an example, there was a statistic at Bangrak hospital where there was a study on STDs in children and adolescent patients at the hospital during1988-1994.3 The study showed that 24% of 81 girls of the age between 4 days to 12 years was diagnosed of sexually transmitted diseases. Among the 81 girls, 1 4 were reported of having been sexually abused.

Excluding children who were raped and murdered, one great impact on an abused child is physical and emotional scars which often turn into deeply-held traumatic experiences. Abused adolescents are often left with emotional breakdowns, and problems with self-image and self-identity. Many cases have become neurotic, depressed and withdrawn. Some no longer trust people and the world around them. Many are RTIs (Reproductive Tract Infections) infected and/or pregnant. Many induce abortions or sometimes give birth but are unable to raise the child. For cases where children are sexually abused by adults who have custody of them and live under the same roof, children end up having to run away from home and become street children. These children are consequently at great risk of being persuaded or forced into sex business or into pornographic VDO filming business. Such situations add even greater contribution in child sexual abuse problems.

Although involved agencies from governmental and non-governmental sectors have paid attention to the issue and have lawfully, socially and emotionally attempted to help solving child sexual abuse problems, it still does not respond to the needs raised from the whole problems existed. Many children are abused by their close family members and are not able to report the incidents nor speak out for help. There is no systematic mechanism to ease the children out of the struggles. There is not enough experts to help children, their families and the society understand the situations. And most importantly, there is not enough recognition that this is the matter of Child's Rights.

1.2 Causes of the problems

Social Structure

1. Child sexual abuse problems are raised from structural violence traditionally placed in the Thai society. Thai society is a male dominated society where the patriarchal culture allows their male members to freely have irresponsible sex, extramarital sex, and to practice very little consideration when there is sexual needs. This structure and cultural violence leaves other members of the society with unsafe life conditions and with risk of sexual violence. A micro-level study indicated male teenagers' view on rape. Some of teenagers believe that rape act on a women is an acceptable situation if there is an opportunity to do so.4

2. The government does not enforce laws on prohibiting pornographic materials which are often found to be an important stimulant for sexual crimes. Some of the materials are even portrait and played by children. This reflects that children are not only sexually abuses when used sexually but also abused by pornographic materials producers and their general Thai population audience as well.

3. The country's deep-rooted corruption. A middle rank policeman clearly explained, 'rape cases are widely regarded among policemen as easy money-making opportunities. The defendant is willing to pay and this is why you see all sorts of tactics to discourage the victim to back off... the attorney, too, it ill be opted into this process '.5

4. A child cannot take legal act against his/her parents. If/when a child (mostly girls) is sexually abused by her father' the child Will have to depend on a legal inspector or an attorney to take actions for them. Frequently the designated authority does not want to bring the charge to court due to their own traditional values that children should pay gratitude to parents and do no harm to parents. Lawfully such charges are often dropped since there is mot enough supporting evidence and witness for the case.

Family

Socio-economic changes have played an important role in the Thai society and in a family unit. Parents have to work outside of home and spend less time with children Relationships among family members have become more fragile. The 'old' community plays less important role in supporting the well-beings of its people. Chances that children are sexually abused by father, step-father, brother and male neighbor has increased as support from family and communities decreased. As reported by pare-social workers,6 child sexually abuse is one of the common forms of violence against women at a village level and rural children encountered sexual assault are more likely to combat or cope with the problem alone.

The Abusers

From studies of rape and sexual assault charge recorded, it is evident that most rapists and people who commit sexual assault are emotionally capable people.7 However, other factors found in the studies and on the newspapers reporting rape cases indicate reasons for an abuser to commit a sexual assault and/or rape are:

1. Once sexual needs are driven, a sexual abuser looses the ability to distinguish right and wrong and becomes less considerate of other' s feelings. The abusers then become self-center and decide to take on any acts to fulfill their immediate needs. Most likely the abusers have uncontrollable high sexual needs because of drugs and alcohol intakes and/or viewing pornographic materials.

2. Some rapists believe that having an orgasm with a virgin girl is an extravagant experience that will prolong their life.

However sexual abusers realize that sexual assault and rape are prohibit acts. They therefore threaten their victims to keep the incidents silent and under notice. Many sexual abusers threaten and torture their victims by placing cigarette light in the victim's body, shape the victim's hair, and whip the victims. For some father-to-daughter rape cases, rapists expressed that they raped their daughters because they believe that since the daughters lose virginity for other men already, it is their right to release their sexual tension with their daughter. It is their right and because they were not the first, so they do not commit a sin.

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Edit: Forgot the authors and date of the article:

Situation Analysis on

Sexual Abuse of Children in Thailand

by

Kritaya Archavanitkul

Manna Jarusomboon'

A Report Submitted to UNICEF of Thailand

Institute for Population and Social Research

Mahidol University at Salaya

Puttamonthon 4 Road, Nakhonpathom 73170, Thailand

Phone: 66 2 441-0201-4; Fax: 66 2 441-9333

e-mail: directpr@mahidol. ac. th'

June 1997

Web published by SEAMEO Secretariat with permission

Edited September 18, 2005 by kat

[meemiathai]

And your point is .....

Many Thai men are in fact rapists?

[Boo]

as are many (add any country) men

[kat]

My point has already been stated in the previous post, but I'll state it again, as I have done over and over:

KAT'S POINT:

"As I've said many times on this forum, stating facts is not the same as bashing. The women in question are Thai, after all. I've also said that rape and abuse occurs everywhere and in every society, but its prevelance, context, and response to it, are socially and politically distinct. Therefore, merely stating that it's the same everywhere does little to understand specific circumstances, and is nothing more than an excuse to minimize or not think."

And by the way, this isn't only "my point", as is evidenced by many researchers that have written and published on the subject, including Thais, which I have read and corroborated.

What's YOUR point?

[meemiathai]

So your(or the many researhers') point is ...

not many Thai men are in fact rapists?

[kat]

And your point is .....

Many Thai men are in fact rapists?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

So your(or the many researhers') point is ...

not many Thai men are in fact rapists?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Ok, it's a fair question. To be honest, my "point" is non-conclusive at the moment, because I am looking at gender and sexual violence issues from multiple national and social viewpoints.

What I do know is that simply stating that it is the same everywhere is a non-statement. It's like saying: men and women have sexual interactions everywhere, or girls and women face or have faced discrimination everywhere. These statements are true but vary significantly from place to place.

In terms of Thailand and S.E. Asia, I think a combination of lax law enforcements, low status of women and greater culpability/responsibility, culture of non-intervention, customary advantage of strong over the weak rather than individual rights, uneven state of development, and weak social institutions (except for Monarchy, Religion, and State, - and I would like to add, family - which should never be questioned, which itself adds an important and distinct social context),

add to the incidence of situational abuse/violence against women and children.

I'm not sure why this is such a surprise, given the recent history of prostitution and child/sexual trafficking in Thailand. Do you think these phenemenoms occur in a void?

Edited September 18, 2005 by kat

[meemiathai]

What I do know is that simply stating that it is the same everywhere is a non-statement. It's like saying: men and women have sexual interactions everywhere, or girls and women face or have faced discrimination everywhere. These statements are true but vary significantly from place to place.

In terms of Thailand and S.E. Asia, I think a combination of lax law enforcements, low status of women and greater culpability/responsibility, culture of non-intervention, customary advantage of strong over the weak rather than individual rights, uneven state of development, and weak social institutions (except for Monarchy, Religion, and State, - and I would like to add, family - which should never be questioned, which itself adds an important and distinct social context),

add to the incidence of situational abuse/violence against women and children.

Not much to disagree with the above.

I'm not sure why this is such a surprise, given the recent history of prostitution and child/sexual trafficking in Thailand. Do you think these phenemenoms occur in a void?

What is such a surprise?

You responded to this

This guy needs a head shrink! Never heard such crap in all my life! So what your saying is that many thai men are in fact rapists?? Get a fcking grip you moron!

Similar to the bullsht story about many issan girls having been abused by their father!

with this

So, because you've never "heard such crap" in your life, everyone else who has is a moron? Please hold your insults until your "expertise" extends beyond your own ego

, seems you have a conclusion already.

Also it's quite clear that he was only calling one person a moron?

[bkkbound04]

kat.....

have u ever been to thailand?

have u ever stayed for longer than a holiday and actually mixed with full thai company?

i only ask i've read your posts for over a year now....

u don't seem to think a lot of (most) men and (general) thailand in most of your posts?

have u seen the thai public reaction to child abusers(physical/mental and sexual)

when something like this is discovered(especially in the rural villages where ferang think taboo are non existent)

the thai community will nearly kill these offenders, they will beat them within a heartbeat of death....then inform the police who will dish out simmilar punnishment and then they will face the courts in thai law...

now i was born in the uk....if the situation above occured in the uk the offender would be protected...if they were attacked by joe public...joe public would be charged with assault...

the police wouldn't lay a finger on them and they would then go to court to face uk law(would be released on parole early and could be living next door to u) their identity and living arrangements would be protected for their own safety and joe public would pick up the tab

the above is well known and well documented....

i don't understand why u frequent a thai site when u seem to think that thailand is no more than a haven for child abusers, sex tourists, prostitution etc

out of interest do u frequent eastern european sites, or dutch sites and share your views?

i've read your views and your conclusion as to why it's not suprising i.e prostitution child/sexual trafficking in thailand

would u care to explain the reasons we have the same in the uk and other parts of the world?

i.e the prostitution,child abuse, child trafficking(african children kidnapped etc) that occurs in the uk etc??

[kat]

Meemiathai:

oh ok, I see where you had a problem I'm glad I was able to clarify.

For the record, I don't think all Thai men are rapists or abusers, and I have a good Thai male friend (although he was educated abroad and is gay), and have met others who seemed very attractive and decent.

But in combination with what I stated previously, I am acutely aware that signals and expectations are very different here, as well as female/male responsibility, and female behavior is held to a different standard. I also have anecodatal and personal experiences here, that are much different than where I'm from. This doesn't mean that I don't worry about being attacked in the West, but the worries are different and more predictable because I know the signals, and also because enforcement of my rights is much less lax.

Edited September 18, 2005 by kat

[bkkbound04]

lax compared to where?

the uk? the us?

did u miss the news on katrina?....

girls were stranded on a roof with toxic floods all around them...

the police arrived in a rescue boat and the girls signalled to them to rescue them...

the cops in charge of the boat asked "what the girls had?"

referring to their breasts...the cops wanted the girls to take off their tops etc in return for them being rescued.....

the girls refused and the cops just left them there...

i'd rather not keeping posting examples(non thai) (although they're not hard to find)

[kat]

kat.....

have u ever been to thailand?

have u ever stayed for longer than a holiday and actually mixed with full thai company?

i only ask i've read your posts for over a year now....

u don't seem to think a lot of (most) men and (general) thailand in most of your posts?

have u seen the thai public reaction to child abusers(physical/mental and sexual)

when something like this is discovered(especially in the rural villages where ferang think taboo are non existent)

the thai community will nearly kill these offenders, they will beat them within a heartbeat of death....then inform the police who will dish out simmilar punnishment and then they will face the courts in thai law...

now i was born  in the uk....if the situation above occured in the uk the offender would be protected...if they were attacked by joe public...joe public would be charged with assault...

the police wouldn't lay a finger on them and they would then go to court to face uk law(would be released on parole early and could be living next door to u) their identity and living arrangements would be protected for their own safety and joe public would pick up the tab

the above is well known and well documented....

i don't understand why u frequent a thai site when u seem to think that thailand is no more than a haven for child abusers, sex tourists, prostitution etc

out of interest do u frequent eastern european sites, or dutch sites and share your views?

i've read your views and your conclusion as to why it's not suprising i.e prostitution child/sexual trafficking in thailand

would u care to explain the reasons we have the same in the uk and other parts of the world?

i.e the prostitution,child abuse, child trafficking(african children kidnapped etc) that occurs in the uk etc??

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So, if you've read my posts for more than a year now, then you should know that I live here and am not here on some holdiay.

I'm glad that you've witnessed cases in which abusers get the village treatment, but most of the time abuse and rape is either not reported, kept quiet, or paid off by compensation. Even the reporting of rape can be demoralizing and shameful for most of the women here, which is why there is a low report rate.

Do you live in Thailand? You obviously do by your post, and yet you mention the police as if they are actual protectors of individual welfare and public order They and other government institutions are part of the problem.

Let's see, I don't have a problem with anyone who doesn't give me a problem. Do you believe that the majority of the men who post here are without problems? If so, then I can see your problem with me.

But the fact remains that Thailand and Cambodia have been a haven for pedophiles and other people fleeing Western law and social norms. There are a host of others, but I'm too tired to get into this song and dance of righteous denial, and attacks against the messenger because you have nothing to say against the factual and documented aspects of the message.

Therefore, I have nothing else to say to you.

If you want to argue, then you can read the links and articles I have posted over time or come up with your own.

But if you've only got hearsay, big deal - so do we all.

EDIT: - I just saw your post in regards to Katrina and other places; don't bother, I know about incidents of rape and abuse of power in other places, and the West. I already SAID that it occurs everywhere.

And yes, Katrina was an example of what can occur in a situation of total anarchy, or in a void of central control. There is a lot of abuse and violence that lies just beneath the surface of many, if not all, societies.

However, when these abuses happen in the West it is worldwide news. Police and govenment officals in Thailand commonly rape, abuse, or exploit women and girls all the time, and profit significantly from the exploitation and trafficking of children and women.

Human trafficking also crosses international borders, but are always linked to nationals in the source country and abroad.

This happens everyday, and is not significantly newsworthy to most, either because they don't care, or because they try to silence it by saying it is no different anywhere else; Guess what: It is different.

Edited September 18, 2005 by kat

[bkkbound04]

kat..

i didn't say i'd read every1 of your posts....

i live 1/2 1/2 uk/los

where did i mention the police being pillars of society etc?

i made note to the likely hood that they wouldn't go by the book..i.e beating the offender

what relevance do my thoughts on other members have to do with me responding to your posts??

as i say i haven't read every1 of your posts but your reasoning that i must have a problem with you seems a pattern in the posts that i have read....u playing the victim, other people having a problem with u, when in actual fact comments directed at you are usually after u have made statements however factual or outlandish they may be

the fact remains that these crimes do occur in other parts of the world(much closer to the uk than s.e.a)

your comment about how they are a haven for offenders avoiding the uk justice, is missin the point....if at the stage when they abscond they are awaiting trial, surely it is the job of the uk government to secure these offenders and ensure they face justice(remove passport/inform global police database on this person's criteria)

instead they are bailed and allowed to flee the country...some end up in thailand/cambodia many end up in russia and less obvious places

do u know the percentage of actual rapes that are reported in the uk/us?

are they any where near th number of actual rapes?

is the reporting of a rape in the uk/us etc not demoralizing and shameful for the woman??

i don't care to argue with u kat, that's your spin on my comments

i am unsure why u frequent a thai site when u obviously don't think much of the country, it's laws or it's people

except of course your thai friend(who u needed to add was gay and educated outside thailand??) and some thai's u find attractive??

[bkkbound04]

just seen your edit...

so these crimes do occur outside s.e.a

but by your record they are never prosecuted?

by that then i assume there are no rapists and child abusers in thai jails??

or are u saying there are prisoners but less than there should be??

not the same as other countries at all then ??

and the abuses in the west? world wide news lol

the us are the biggest censorship...if it's censored it's not news

[kat]

Your comments bkkbound04:

"i only ask i've read your posts for over a year now....

u don't seem to think a lot of (most) men and (general) thailand in most of your posts?

the thai community will nearly kill these offenders, they will beat them within a heartbeat of death....then inform the police who will dish out simmilar punnishment and then they will face the courts in thai law..."

I based my response to your comments above. I don't care what you think of me personally. As for your characterization of me as someone playing the victim, I guess we all believe what we need to believe.

Why shouldn't I frequent this site? Are you on patrol or something? There are many things in this life that you won't or don't understand, or, are none of your business.

How long have you lived "1/2 in Thailand and 1/2 in the UK" .... actually don't bother because I can tell by your post it hasn't been very long. THAT's how long I've been here.

And as for your accusations of me being anti-Thai, well, I'm sure you'd fit in at the Ministry of Culture but I don't think they hire foreigners.

As for my missing the point, don't so be quick to judge before you read or think straight. I said Thailand and Cambodia are a "haven" for people fleeing Western laws and social norms, which does not necessarily mean convicted pedophiles or criminals.

And as for your stats on rape in the UK and elsewhere - don't bother. I've already looked at them. As I said on another post, you can find many similarities for women everywhere, but the point of comparison is in the differences.

[britmaveric]

Kat - anyone who knows Thailand or some of the other SEA countries knows there is an ugly underbelly that most farang will never see. I honestly think they would be shocked.

[kat]

just seen your edit...

so these crimes do occur outside s.e.a

but by your record they are never prosecuted?

by that then i assume there are no rapists and child abusers in thai jails??

or are u saying there are prisoners but less than there should be??

not the same as other countries at all then ??

and the abuses in the west? world wide news lol

the us are the biggest censorship...if it's censored it's not news

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I was talking about underreporting in S.E.A.

Let me ask you something: have you followed this issue constantly and sytematically in S.E.A. as well as other places? Because by the sound of your questions, you have not. And you have to obviously go beyond the mainstream media, including the wonderfully biased and sensationalist BBC News

I can't even begin to answer your question about Thai jails, because that brings up a bundle of other interconnected issues that are too numerous to talk about. What I'm saying is that most Thai sexual abusers don't even get to see a judge, because it is mostly not reported, not defined as abuse, or paid off in compensation. However, this is starting to change, but just starting.