Chavalit Heartbroken Old Man: Red-Shirt Leader Kokaew

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Chavalit heartbroken old man: Kokaew

By The Nation

Chavalit Yongchaiyuth stepped down from his position as Pheu Thai Party chairman because he was disappointed that the party would not endorse him as the prime ministerial candidate, red-shirt leader Kokaew Pikulthong said on Wednesday.

"The real reason Chavalit departing the party is because Thaksin (Shinawatra) has made it clear he will endorse an individual close to him and this is a case of a heartbroken old man," he said in an interview posted on Matichon online.

Kokaew insisted Chavalit's departure should not be attributed to the allegation that the red shirts had offended the monarchy in the April 10 rally.

He said he was at the rally the entire time and did not hear amy remarks deemed offensive. The gist of speeches on that day was about the ongoing conflict between the military and the red shirts, he added.

"The red shirts criticise the military's political involvement, pointing out that the soldiers were trying to side with the Democrat Party, he said.

Since the Phue Thai Party was in the opposition without any apparent flaws, the military then aimed at attacking the red shirts in order to sway the sentiment in the Democrat's favour, he said.

He called on Phue Thai MPs to admit the fact that the red shirts were the mass movement of the party's instead of joining the opponents in bashing the red shirts.

"In the struggle for democracy, it is imperative that the red shirts and Pheu Thai must move in concerted efforts because it is clear the parliamentary mechanism alone could not resolve the problems," he said.

He urged the opposition MPs to step out in support of fellow MP and red leader Jatuporn Promphan. Without Jatuporn, Pheu Thai might have been disbanded again and again, he said.

He said those red shirts aspired to become electoral candidates would stop their rally activities for the campaigning duration. If elected, they would decide how to devide their attention befween the rallying and the legislative duty, he said.

He said the red shirts always rallied behind former prime minister Thaksin, criticising mainstream politicians for their fickle loyalty.

-- The Nation 2011-04-20

[rubl]

Many aspects of this message from k. Kokaew can be commented on. Let me just pick one interesting statement from this UDD leader and former PTP candidate for a Bangkok by-election in July 2010.

"He called on Phue Thai MPs to admit the fact that the red shirts were the mass movement of the party's instead of joining the opponents in bashing the red shirts.

"In the struggle for democracy, it is imperative that the red shirts and Pheu Thai must move in concerted efforts because it is clear the parliamentary mechanism alone could not resolve the problems," he said.

He urged the opposition MPs to step out in support of fellow MP and red leader Jatuporn Promphan. Without Jatuporn, Pheu Thai might have been disbanded again and again, he said."

This seems in conflict with k. Jatuporn's statement one/two days ago:

" "The Pheu Thai Party would campaign for votes in the upcoming general election while the red-shirt movement would focus on calling for justice and democracy, he said.

"The party and the movement are two separate entities that have no overriding power over one another," "

Of course k. Jatuporn should know, he's both PTP MP and UDD leader; k. Kokaew is merely a UDD leader and had his (short) political career forced upon him while in jail

PS no comment, but a big and for "Since the Phue Thai Party was in the opposition without any apparent flaws"

Edited April 20, 2011 by rubl

[animatic]

Damage control. Misdirection. Slapping back at someone who disapproves of your actions. Pretending that this doesn't really matter. Of course it really does or why go to all this trouble to diminish the departing party leader?

Heart broken old man, no worries about Chavalit losing face with this reddened zealot speaking his mind; just remove the face with a trowel.

What more can we expect from a Thaksin directed entity,

'the moment someone is not useful or contradicts him

SLAP THEM DOWN HARD'. Chavalit only the latest.

OK Yes this line is a classic:

"Since the Phue Thai Party was in the opposition without any apparent flaws"

So that means all the flaws were on the Red Shirt side?

"In the struggle for democracy, it is imperative that the red shirts and Pheu Thai must move in concerted efforts

because

it is clear the parliamentary mechanism alone could not resolve the problems,"

he said.

Right this is not about Thaksin, and he controls neither,

but they must work in a "concerted efforts"

and Thaksin is naming the top PTP candidates.

And they can NOT depend on winning via

"the parliamentary mechanism"

so the reds and PTP must be ready fro street war

since working within the system won't work.

Their take on Democracy is :

'We win or we make your lives a misery.'

So essentially there it is:

if they don't win they will call it a stolen election and keep on with the violence.

Edited April 20, 2011 by animatic

[housepainter]

For someone whose usefullness remains only to himself, whose sense of public servcie starts and ends with your own bank account, whose IQ can be measured in a single digit between 0 and 2, whose palms have greased the sleeze and slime for decades, whose idea of integrity is saying yes when you mean no, whose moral fibre is found somewhere right of a used car sales man, whose contribution to society matches that of a toilet paper manufacturer and whose career has propped up the most corrupt regimes in Thailand's modern history .................................................... it's an awful shame he's gone.

As sadly missed as the excrement I scraped off my shoe just this morning.

[rubl]

Sorry, can't help it. Let's have one more

"He said the red shirts always rallied behind former prime minister Thaksin, criticising mainstream politicians for their fickle loyalty."

K. Thida said in December 2010 as she became reluctant UDD leader:

"Q : What is the future political prospect of Thaksin Shinawatra. Is he funding the DAAD?

A : We depend largely on donations but I would not know if someone privately went to seek money from him. I can assure you that I personally, and Weng, have never received a single baht from him… Well, we're not his minions."

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2010/12/07/national/Reds-struggling-under-charter-New-chief-30143899.html

"Thida Tavornseth, the new chairman of the red-shirt movement, made it clear from the outset that she doesn't take orders from ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra."

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2010/12/09/opinion/New-red-leader-tries-to-step-out-of-Thaksins-shado-30144024.html

[animatic]

For someone whose usefullness remains only to himself, whose sense of public servcie starts and ends with your own bank account, whose IQ can be measured in a single digit between 0 and 2, whose palms have greased the sleeze and slime for decades, whose idea of integrity is saying yes when you mean no, whose moral fibre is found somewhere right of a used car sales man, whose contribution to society matches that of a toilet paper manufacturer and whose career has propped up the most corrupt regimes in Thailand's modern history .................................................... it's an awful shame he's gone.

As sadly missed as the excrement I scraped off my shoe just this morning.

Loved this one

"whose contribution to society matches that of a toilet paper manufacturer"

Don't you mean a dinner table napkin dispenser manufacturer?

Oh wait.

They don't use toilet paper in Thailand, so yeah, not useful!

[Insight]

So a string of outlandish claims by somebody I considered to be a more "moderate" and less intellectually challenged red shirt leader (who interestingly seems to be putting his weight behind Juttaporn).

Perhaps the ties are well and truly severed?

[jdinasia]

He called on Phue Thai MPs to admit the fact that the red shirts were the mass movement of the party's instead of joining the opponents in bashing the red shirts.

This message was intended for whom? Thaksin? I doubt it since Thaksin is running both shows. PTP? I doubt it again since PTP takes their orders directly from Thaksin. Perhaps it is just a message to the UDD rank and file, that are seeing senior PTP members leaving the sinking ship. It is important to the UDD that their paid mob sees the UDD as an arm of Thaksin's political machine and with the recent distancing that poor rabble may be beginning to feel a bit left out.

He urged the opposition MPs to step out in support of fellow MP and red leader Jatuporn Promphan. Without Jatuporn, Pheu Thai might have been disbanded again and again, he said."

Where does this quote lead? How has PTP benefited from Jatuporn's constant inciting of the UDD members to participate in violence? How has Jatuporn done ANYTHING to prevent PTP from being disbanded, other than the possibility that they would have been if Jatuporn was a party-list MP?

[givenall]

First of all since when party belong to only one man (Mr. T)second Chavalit just got smart and now knows the really Mt. T is trying to do and isnot for Thailand benifit

[animatic]

First of all since when party belong to only one man (Mr. T)second Chavalit just got smart and now knows the really Mt. T is trying to do and isnot for Thailand benifit

Never was, and Chavalit has know Thaksin for 25 years.

He knows how much Thakasin is for himself and how much for Thailand itself. This is not a new knowledge about Thaksin's obsessive need for control, but one of shock at the Reds going way to far.

No, this was about a 78 year old man not wanting to spend his dotage a pariah to the royal family that he has served for 50 years, and it's extended branches, when he should be up for honors and photo-ops and such. Not to mention the possibility of a privy council seat to end his days.

It's one thing to try for one more shot at the brass ring, and another to leave a fresh turd on your living room sofa when guests are coming.

Edited April 20, 2011 by animatic

[hyperdimension]

He urged the opposition MPs to step out in support of fellow MP and red leader Jatuporn Promphan. Without Jatuporn, Pheu Thai might have been disbanded again and again, he said.

I wish he went as far as to say that Jatuporn should be the candidate for the position of Prime Minister of Thailand.

[Oberkommando]

For someone whose usefullness remains only to himself, whose sense of public servcie starts and ends with your own bank account, whose IQ can be measured in a single digit between 0 and 2, whose palms have greased the sleeze and slime for decades, whose idea of integrity is saying yes when you mean no, whose moral fibre is found somewhere right of a used car sales man, whose contribution to society matches that of a toilet paper manufacturer and whose career has propped up the most corrupt regimes in Thailand's modern history .................................................... it's an awful shame he's gone.

As sadly missed as the excrement I scraped off my shoe just this morning.

Good post.

[Payboy]

For someone whose usefullness remains only to himself, whose sense of public servcie starts and ends with your own bank account, whose IQ can be measured in a single digit between 0 and 2, whose palms have greased the sleeze and slime for decades, whose idea of integrity is saying yes when you mean no, whose moral fibre is found somewhere right of a used car sales man, whose contribution to society matches that of a toilet paper manufacturer and whose career has propped up the most corrupt regimes in Thailand's modern history .................................................... it's an awful shame he's gone.

As sadly missed as the excrement I scraped off my shoe just this morning.

Good post.

+1

Taksin was deputy PM in Chavalit' s administration and vice-versa. No one's gonna miss them.

[hyperdimension]

"The real reason Chavalit departing the party is because Thaksin (Shinawatra) has made it clear he will endorse an individual close to him and this is a case of a heartbroken old man," he said in an interview posted on Matichon online.

Is Kokaew merely speculating when he states that it is the "real reason" for Chavalit's departure? He seems to be stating speculation as if it were fact to the mass media (a common trait of Pheu Thai, Thaksin and the red shirts).

Edited April 20, 2011 by hyperdimension

[Asa]

Fact is in the eyes and ears of the persons they are attached to. There is no waiting for you guys to take it for grant that Reds are bad. Is it possible that they are all no brained violent loving thugs whose aim is to destroy your peaceful double standard world of elites?

Ob la di... Ob la da, life goes on....

[jdinasia]

Fact is in the eyes and ears of the persons they are attached to. There is no waiting for you guys to take it for grant that Reds are bad. Is it possible that they are all no brained violent loving thugs whose aim is to destroy your peaceful double standard world of elites?

Ob la di... Ob la da, life goes on....

LOL

let's forget your incorrect (on a very basic level) tucking the anti-thaksin people neatly into the "elite" of Thailand group ... and just address the topic ...... Chavalit amongst others has come out against what was said at the April 10th redshirt rally. Many others have as well. Even Thaksin spanked his UDD kids.

[geriatrickid]

How about another perspective; that the departure of some of the old men is a good thing? Why should anyone be upset over the departure of this man and his old friends? Are not these the people that have had the same rigid stance that has caused Thailand so many political disputes? Perhaps with new faces and new strategies, political discourse and policies may change once the old goats are put out to pasture. One of the biggest failures bosses/leaders of all kinds make is not realizing when it is time to go, to move on. General Prem managed his departure nicely. Fidel Castro just did it. Hanging on gives one the Mubarak scenario.

A good house sweeping often pays off. It facilitates the rejuvenation of ideas.

[ratcatcher]

How about another perspective; that the departure of some of the old men is a good thing? Why should anyone be upset over the departure of this man and his old friends? Are not these the people that have had the same rigid stance that has caused Thailand so many political disputes? Perhaps with new faces and new strategies, political discourse and policies may change once the old goats are put out to pasture. One of the biggest failures bosses/leaders of all kinds make is not realizing when it is time to go, to move on. General Prem managed his departure nicely. Fidel Castro just did it. Hanging on gives one the Mubarak scenario.

A good house sweeping often pays off. It facilitates the rejuvenation of ideas.

Nicely put GK.

Time to clean out the museum (Parliament) and get in some fresh, clean, exhibits.

We all know what a dinosaur looked like by now.

Edited April 20, 2011 by ratcatcher

[orang37]

Sawasdee Khrup, TV CM Friends,

Just a suggestion of a slightly different view: Khun Chavilit is one of the "master magicians" of the survivalist game of "smoke of myth, face of chameleon" which characterizes the on-going public psychodrama of Thai politics.

His latest "incarnation," and "dramatic exit stage left," may well have purposes much deeper than those suggested here.

We'd guess he's as heart-broken as crocodile tears.

best, ~o:37;

[hyperdimension]

Time to clean out the museum (Parliament) and get in some fresh, clean, exhibits.

The correct spelling is Abhisit.

Edited April 20, 2011 by hyperdimension

[yoshiwara]

Many aspects of this message from k. Kokaew can be commented on. Let me just pick one interesting statement from this UDD leader and former PTP candidate for a Bangkok by-election in July 2010.

"He called on Phue Thai MPs to admit the fact that the red shirts were the mass movement of the party's instead of joining the opponents in bashing the red shirts.

"In the struggle for democracy, it is imperative that the red shirts and Pheu Thai must move in concerted efforts because it is clear the parliamentary mechanism alone could not resolve the problems," he said.

He urged the opposition MPs to step out in support of fellow MP and red leader Jatuporn Promphan. Without Jatuporn, Pheu Thai might have been disbanded again and again, he said."

This seems in conflict with k. Jatuporn's statement one/two days ago:

" "The Pheu Thai Party would campaign for votes in the upcoming general election while the red-shirt movement would focus on calling for justice and democracy, he said.

"The party and the movement are two separate entities that have no overriding power over one another," "

Of course k. Jatuporn should know, he's both PTP MP and UDD leader; k. Kokaew is merely a UDD leader and had his (short) political career forced upon him while in jail

PS no comment, but a big and for "Since the Phue Thai Party was in the opposition without any apparent flaws"

If Kokaew's line has changed so suddenly it means that Thaksin has now made it abundantly clear that Jatuporn is his man and that the reds would steer the party and not vice versa. Thaksin is, of course, riding both horses but the PTP would have expected to move to the forefront. Jatuporn's pushing of the boundaries re LM was a flagrant thumbing of red nose to the party. For Chavalit and some others they are not prepared just to play bit parts any more in Thaksin's personal Gotterdammerung. We had a similar example of Thaksin's machinations last year when the reds were on the point of cutting a peaceful deal with the PM when Seh daeng was wheeled out to scotch that one. The common thread? Thaksin is prepared to dump pretensions of a democratic and peaceful face at the drop of a hat. The current hat now is that they are anticipating electoral defeat. Stand by for red stunts.