Thaksin: I'll Return At End Of Year

[ericthai]

"I have spent plenty of time in Isaan, where the allegedly disenfranchised poor come from. The sit around, all day, doing nothing, wiating for a handout...... bums, the lot of them. They have ample oportunity to work, but choose not too, deciding instead to complain and moan about the rich people in Bangkok."

That is one hell of a generalisation, I have spenat a lot of time in Issan and its surrounding areas, and there are some people there who work very, very hard..

I agree with you. I own a factory in Issan and have some very good and hard working people. In a push I nhave seen them work 16hrs a day for 10 days straight, so to say Issan people are lazy and only want hand outs is crazy. There are some, but manny many more that work hard.

[WarpSpeed]

Hhhhmm, the most corrupt promising to clean up the corrupt. Doesn't sound like a solid plan to me...........If the head leader scoffs the law, he's only going to accomplish the task of teaching everyone that no one needs to respect Thai laws.

He did say he'd make every Thai rich in 6 months.. I guess he's going to pass on more of his techniques to the public..

[Buchholz]

^ On that note, how did TallForeigner get on with his book?

The world may never know. He hasn't posted since November.

What a tragic loss.

[Buchholz]

Many have voiced suspicions over the sudden appearance of a number of politically outspoken newbie Thais. Why should they be suspicious, we are now in the run up to an election in Thailand will will effect the lives of all, Thais and farangs. I further noticed that those most suspicious are the vehemently anti Thaksin Farang brigade, could it be that they are upset to discover that there are intelligent, educated Thais who do not agree with their opinions.

The present government, with much military help, has managed to close and shut down most of the avenues for political opinion which exist in western society, so is it any surprise that supporters of Thaksin are starting to appear here in the run up to an election? Even if Thaivisa has a limited Thai audience.

To me, all these people voicing doubts about the newcomers are simply using the old tactic of attacking the messenger rasther than the message.

Thai. Singular.

As far as I read, Geeraphun is the only one claiming to be Thai.

If you accept his premise that thousands of innocents dying is acceptable collateral damage to root out a few low-level drug dealers, then realize that perhaps others may not.

It's that sort of message that people are attacking.

[Scott]

The topic is about Thaksin and his potential return to Thailand. It's not about ThaiVisa members and former members.

Please stay on topic.

[phiphidon]

You, of course, are welcome to your opinion and to express it here. That means you get to accept the fact that other people will have opinions as well. Including opinions that you might not be who you claim to be. When other posters disappear and a new poster arrives with similar styles of writing etc ... some people will assume (like I do) that an IP check would show the new poster to be a longer term member with a new screenname (which is against the rules for TVF). You might be all that you claim to be, and time will tell

Purely hypothetically then if one knew that a banned member (with whom purely hypothetically) one had been a designated friend and who was was notorious for hunting down re-emerged banned members, had himself re-emerged with a new screen name, what should one's attitude be as an upright member of TVF? It's difficult isn't it, torn by the tendency not to want to grass, but at the same time being appalled by the hypocrisy.Any thoughts? Sorry for the diversion from the main topic.

SeeJayboy, can't help you there - but how many newbies are there here anyway? Is it an epidemic?

[anterian]

My previous comment seems to have got all the anti Thaksin brigade in an uproar, I simply suggested that a possible reason for many pro Thaksin newbies appearing was that most other avenues had been closed down by the present lot in power. Would anyone deny that they have not been closed?

As to the colour of my shirts, they are not pink as one suggested (hasn't that become a Royal colour now? ), my shirts are distinctly orange, although I confess at one time they were yellow.

As to the writer who suggested that his 30 years residence in Thailand gave his opinion more weight than my mere ten, might I suggest it could also mean he is getting too old

The time you spend in a country has little relevance to one's understanding of events, it is more to do with intelligence and awareness.

Now before some mod accuses me of flaming, I should point out that I have simply responded, and without naming names, to half a dozen attacks on me.

[whybother]

My previous comment seems to have got all the anti Thaksin brigade in an uproar, I simply suggested that a possible reason for many pro Thaksin newbies appearing was that most other avenues had been closed down by the present lot in power. Would anyone deny that they have not been closed?

...

Does that mean the mods will have to extra vigilant for the anti-monarchy postings that have got those other avenues closed down?

[ginjag]

My previous comment seems to have got all the anti Thaksin brigade in an uproar, I simply suggested that a possible reason for many pro Thaksin newbies appearing was that most other avenues had been closed down by the present lot in power. Would anyone deny that they have not been closed?

As to the colour of my shirts, they are not pink as one suggested (hasn't that become a Royal colour now? ), my shirts are distinctly orange, although I confess at one time they were yellow.

As to the writer who suggested that his 30 years residence in Thailand gave his opinion more weight than my mere ten, might I suggest it could also mean he is getting too old

The time you spend in a country has little relevance to one's understanding of events, it is more to do with intelligence and awareness.

Now before some mod accuses me of flaming, I should point out that I have simply responded, and without naming names, to half a dozen attacks on me.

I didn't suggest your shirts were pink--555 HA HA. If you understand about washing clothes, my suggestion was (if you read again my post) dont wash your== red== shirt with whites, otherwise they will turn pink,,GOT IT ?? and what if I am old, does that make me an alien ?? and my 30 years here -statement was not to say I know best--it was a passing remark on experience in Thailand. With you suggesting that your 10 years has given you intelligence and awareness, then explain to me.--on topic again- That when K.Thaksin was in power-if you remember wasn't the press gagged and the t.v. controlled=======I remember=SURE, and you are saying here that the P.M. is doing the same ???

I only speak of what I see and hear. To me it's not going to make my pension bigger, with him or without him.

[phiphidon]

My previous comment seems to have got all the anti Thaksin brigade in an uproar, I simply suggested that a possible reason for many pro Thaksin newbies appearing was that most other avenues had been closed down by the present lot in power. Would anyone deny that they have not been closed?

...

Does that mean the mods will have to extra vigilant for the anti-monarchy postings that have got those other avenues closed down?

Why would they have to do that then, what are you suggesting?

[jdinasia]

My previous comment seems to have got all the anti Thaksin brigade in an uproar, I simply suggested that a possible reason for many pro Thaksin newbies appearing was that most other avenues had been closed down by the present lot in power. Would anyone deny that they have not been closed?

...

Does that mean the mods will have to extra vigilant for the anti-monarchy postings that have got those other avenues closed down?

Pro Thaksin sites have not been shut down --- sites that have not moderated anti-monarchy etc posts HAVE been shut down or blocked from Thailand if hosted elsewhere. That we get a recurring stream of past-posters is blatantly obvious.

[whybother]

Why would they have to do that then, what are you suggesting?

What I'm suggesting is that some of the sites used predominately by red shirt supporters have been shut down because of the anti-monarchy posts on them.

[animatic]

You, of course, are welcome to your opinion and to express it here. That means you get to accept the fact that other people will have opinions as well. Including opinions that you might not be who you claim to be. When other posters disappear and a new poster arrives with similar styles of writing etc ... some people will assume (like I do) that an IP check would show the new poster to be a longer term member with a new screenname (which is against the rules for TVF). You might be all that you claim to be, and time will tell

Purely hypothetically then if one knew that a banned member (with whom purely hypothetically) one had been a designated friend and who was was notorious for hunting down re-emerged banned members, had himself re-emerged with a new screen name, what should one's attitude be as an upright member of TVF? It's difficult isn't it, torn by the tendency not to want to grass, but at the same time being appalled by the hypocrisy.Any thoughts? Sorry for the diversion from the main topic.

One thought,

it would be a total waste of your time.

[anterian]

My previous comment seems to have got all the anti Thaksin brigade in an uproar, I simply suggested that a possible reason for many pro Thaksin newbies appearing was that most other avenues had been closed down by the present lot in power. Would anyone deny that they have not been closed?

As to the colour of my shirts, they are not pink as one suggested (hasn't that become a Royal colour now? ), my shirts are distinctly orange, although I confess at one time they were yellow.

As to the writer who suggested that his 30 years residence in Thailand gave his opinion more weight than my mere ten, might I suggest it could also mean he is getting too old

The time you spend in a country has little relevance to one's understanding of events, it is more to do with intelligence and awareness.

Now before some mod accuses me of flaming, I should point out that I have simply responded, and without naming names, to half a dozen attacks on me.

I didn't suggest your shirts were pink--555 HA HA. If you understand about washing clothes, my suggestion was (if you read again my post) dont wash your== red== shirt with whites, otherwise they will turn pink,,GOT IT ?? and what if I am old, does that make me an alien ?? and my 30 years here -statement was not to say I know best--it was a passing remark on experience in Thailand. With you suggesting that your 10 years has given you intelligence and awareness, then explain to me.--on topic again- That when K.Thaksin was in power-if you remember wasn't the press gagged and the t.v. controlled=======I remember=SURE, and you are saying here that the P.M. is doing the same ???

I only speak of what I see and hear. To me it's not going to make my pension bigger, with him or without him.

Well a quick check shows you are in Udon thani, I am in Nonthaburi, so your local perspective is provincial, mine is suburban, so differences are to be expected. Also whilst you don't declare your age I will be suprised if you are older than me (75). So I grew up in a time of wash boilers and mangles I know all about clothes running in the wash

If you re-read what I wrote, I did not say that my ten years had given me intelligence and awareness, I think i had that long before I came to Thailand. What I said was that these qualities were more important to understanding a culture than just years of immersion.

I am well aware of what Thaksin did to the press, I even know the background to Yoon's (of the Nation) hatred of Thaksin. All I am saying is that Abhisit and the army are doing the same, and both Thaksin in the past and Abhisit now play the Lese Majeste tactic.

So back to my original comment, I am not surprised to see Thaksin supporters appearing in Thaivisa, particularly with a forthcoming election. I am not supporting Thaksin, merely offering a suggestion as to why they are here.

[sirchai]

I will be very happy to see him back.

This government has done nothing for us. I think that corruption is the number 1 problem here from small time street vendors right up to Government officials and Army allowing drugs to come into my country. When they let them in, they get richer. The way to stop or at least begin to stop corruptin in Thailand is to give good salaries and so people can live good life. This way there will be less chance of corruptions. When my childrens come from University they can only get low paying jobs. If children can finish University and get a good job that give them enough money to live a decent life then it will help their journy in life to take the middle path and go away from direction of corruption.

I am 50 year Thai and think government must start with:

1. Education at International standards for ALL Thai. Not only rich. English language must be good.
2. Good health care for ALL Thai people.
3. Thailand MUST have good internet if we want to compete Internationally.
4. Labor standards to be set so people can be to make good money for future
5. Stop corruption in Thailand at the same time as raising salaries.
6. Stop drugs here and even if people need to die. The drug dealers will know a law and if continue then they know have death penalty.
7. Have better anf fast system set up to help victoms of disasters because it seems to happen more these days.
8. Make peace with our neighbours even if it mean to give temple rights away in Cambodia and allow access for tourist.

I also have many foreign friend who complain about the visa rules etc so maybe if government can take the fee for visas and apply it direct to Education or war on drugs then the foreigner can feel good about where the visa money goes.

I know in the world all government have corruption but when Thaksin was our PM he did not hide it like many other governments. I can accept this. Maybe if Abhisit have more money and experience he could have done the good job but it is proved that he did not and he have his chance already.

I’m glad to see that an obviously educated Thai male’s concerned about his country Thailand.

Please let me come up with my thoughts about a country where I had settled down 10 years ago.

You might be right that some Government officials or the Army is helping to bring drugs into this country.

But drugs are everywhere, in all countries all around the world. But when Mr. Thaksin made his war on drugs for three months, the drug lords knew what will happen and they left your country for three months.

Just to come back afterwards to make more money, because especially Jaba brought about ten times more money in than before.

Thaksin’s war on drugs killed so many innocent people, better said the police was allowed to shoot everybody who was in possession of drugs.

Did you ever know that Mr. Thaksin’s son was heavily drug addicted at this time? But they didn’t kill his son, right?

The containers they’d found in Satthapip with skeletons inside was just another part of his dirty game.

Don’t you think, or just don’t know that Mr. Thaksin paid all the northeastern farmers money to vote for him?

Wasn’t he always lying through making promises just to get their vote? His promises were always big lies.

So, you’d like to have the most corrupt man back in the highest political position to stop corruption?

Your point of paying a higher salary seems to be good, but in the end it would increase the amount that will have to be paid for any illegal services.

Your mentioned problem with the educational system here does make sense, but the good jobs are going to the rich people as it always was, but that's also in other countries.

A research about the Wall Street has shown that not the best educated people are holding the best paid positions; the rich people are getting richer, because of their connections.

Money comes to money; I guess it will always be like that, all around the world.

Here’s my opinion about your points of view.

The educational system has to be renewed; students who fail have to repeat this year.Thai English teachers should be able to speak, read and write in English and so on.

All Thai citizens should be able to enjoy a health care system to be able to go to a hospital of their choice. (But then you’ll have to have a functioning social welfare system).

I disagree that Thailand must have faster Internet like other countries do. I’m working here, using a 6 MB connection, good and fast enough to do what I want to.

A higher salary should be paid for all, because everything is much more expensive than 10 years ago, the money should come from tax payers. (But the upper classes do have good lawyers to bypass a lot of taxes).

Raising salaries for example for police officers, or government officials, only making 6,000 baht a month would be good. But where should the money come from?

Your statement stop drug use, even when people have to die is not a good one. Drugs were always here and you can’t control all the boarders of your country.

The death penalty is just a sign of capitulation; you’ll have to think about why people are taking drugs. Would they all have the chances to live a better life, most wouldn’t touch Jaba as it is now.

They’re trying to escape from reality, not knowing what they’re doing to their brains and bodies. But you’d like to kill them; do you really think it would stop drug trade and consuming drugs?

Well indeed there should be a set up emergency staff in each of the 77 provinces, with the best education, regarding this matter, all perfectly connected to help immediately.

Your point of view to be friends with the neighboring countries is indeed very good. Even one dead soldier is one dead man too much, because of a temple?

Let’s take Kao Par Wihan for example. Wouldn’t it be easy for both countries to make an agreement to stop all shootings that tourists are coming make that both countries can continue making good money?

Thanks that you’d mentioned the foreigners in this country. I’m one of them, always the proper visa, work permit, tax declaration and so on.

Living here for 10 years supporting not just my wife and my son should make all the visa process much easier.

Why can’t we have something like a green card after being a good citizen in this country? Or a visa good for 10 years for free, because some of us are educating your kids.

I completely disagree that Abhisit must have more money to compete with Mr. Thaksin, more money doesn’t make you to a better person, right?

I personally believe that there are too many problems to solve right now and Mr. Thaksin’s video shows, giving credit cards to taxi drivers and farmers isn’t really helpful for a Prime Minister to do his work.

Not mentioning the problems in the south, where Mr. Thaksin divided three provinces into red, yellow and green zones.

I do have many Thai friends and I know that they think like you. But please try to look behind the curtain too.

Chock Dee na khrap. :jap:

[janverbeem]

Did you ever know that Mr. Thaksin's son was heavily drug addicted at this time? But they didn't kill his son, right?

The containers they'd found in Satthapip with skeletons inside was just another part of his dirty game.

Don't you think, or just don't know that Mr. Thaksin paid all the northeastern farmers money to vote for him?

Would it be possible to post at least 1 reliable link to proveany of these 3 " facts" you seem to have knowledge about?

[geriatrickid]

Whatever the weaknesses of Mr. Thaksin's proposed policies are, he is at least giving some hope to people that haven't had hope since the coupe. He has forced the current administration to come up with counter policies. Had. Mr. Thaksin not made some of the proposals, does anyone think for a minute that PM Abhisit woulld be making some equally questionable policy proposals?

If Mr. Thaksin has achieved one thing, it is that he has been able to bring some attention to the plight of the working poor , the poor state of education, and the drug problem in Thailand. If he wasn't around, would the current government even make an effort to reach out to the disadvantaged regions and segments of Thai society?

[Buchholz]

Whatever the weaknesses of Mr. Thaksin's proposed policies are, he is at least giving some hope to people that haven't had hope since the coupe. He has forced the current administration to come up with counter policies. Had. Mr. Thaksin not made some of the proposals, does anyone think for a minute that PM Abhisit woulld be making some equally questionable policy proposals?

Nice theory, but the problem is that it's not based in reality.

The Democrat Party announced their party platform days before Thaksin's Party AKA Pheu Thai Party did.

.

[lannarebirth]

I will be very happy to see him back.

This government has done nothing for us. I think that corruption is the number 1 problem here from small time street vendors right up to Government officials and Army allowing drugs to come into my country. When they let them in, they get richer. The way to stop or at least begin to stop corruptin in Thailand is to give good salaries and so people can live good life. This way there will be less chance of corruptions. When my childrens come from University they can only get low paying jobs. If children can finish University and get a good job that give them enough money to live a decent life then it will help their journy in life to take the middle path and go away from direction of corruption.

I am 50 year Thai and think government must start with:

1. Education at International standards for ALL Thai. Not only rich. English language must be good.
2. Good health care for ALL Thai people.
3. Thailand MUST have good internet if we want to compete Internationally.
4. Labor standards to be set so people can be to make good money for future
5. Stop corruption in Thailand at the same time as raising salaries.
6. Stop drugs here and even if people need to die. The drug dealers will know a law and if continue then they know have death penalty.
7. Have better anf fast system set up to help victoms of disasters because it seems to happen more these days.
8. Make peace with our neighbours even if it mean to give temple rights away in Cambodia and allow access for tourist.

I also have many foreign friend who complain about the visa rules etc so maybe if government can take the fee for visas and apply it direct to Education or war on drugs then the foreigner can feel good about where the visa money goes.

I know in the world all government have corruption but when Thaksin was our PM he did not hide it like many other governments. I can accept this. Maybe if Abhisit have more money and experience he could have done the good job but it is proved that he did not and he have his chance already.

That's a great list and for the most part I agree with it. sadly democracy isn't like a dictatorship and you can't just say "this is the new law" The people, at least the majority of them, have to agree to it, and for a sustained period of time, like decades and you need a justice systen to enforce it. Unfortunately Thailand doesn't have a justice system, ergo: no democracy. It takes a while.

[Siripon]

Whatever the weaknesses of Mr. Thaksin's proposed policies are, he is at least giving some hope to people that haven't had hope since the coupe. He has forced the current administration to come up with counter policies. Had. Mr. Thaksin not made some of the proposals, does anyone think for a minute that PM Abhisit woulld be making some equally questionable policy proposals?

If Mr. Thaksin has achieved one thing, it is that he has been able to bring some attention to the plight of the working poor , the poor state of education, and the drug problem in Thailand. If he wasn't around, would the current government even make an effort to reach out to the disadvantaged regions and segments of Thai society?

What hope have the Democrats given the poor?

Free education expanded to 15 years.

Free health care, no need to pay 30 baht.

A crop mortgage scheme where every farmer who registered his of her land, received a subsidy if the market price fell below the standard set.

Cheap government loans to the poor to wean them off loan sharks.

Regarding the drug problem, it has to be admitted they have failed to match Thaksin, under whom over 2,500 people were shot dead without any judicial process or trial

[ginjag]

My previous comment seems to have got all the anti Thaksin brigade in an uproar, I simply suggested that a possible reason for many pro Thaksin newbies appearing was that most other avenues had been closed down by the present lot in power. Would anyone deny that they have not been closed?

As to the colour of my shirts, they are not pink as one suggested (hasn't that become a Royal colour now? ), my shirts are distinctly orange, although I confess at one time they were yellow.

As to the writer who suggested that his 30 years residence in Thailand gave his opinion more weight than my mere ten, might I suggest it could also mean he is getting too old

The time you spend in a country has little relevance to one's understanding of events, it is more to do with intelligence and awareness.

Now before some mod accuses me of flaming, I should point out that I have simply responded, and without naming names, to half a dozen attacks on me.

I didn't suggest your shirts were pink--555 HA HA. If you understand about washing clothes, my suggestion was (if you read again my post) dont wash your== red== shirt with whites, otherwise they will turn pink,,GOT IT ?? and what if I am old, does that make me an alien ?? and my 30 years here -statement was not to say I know best--it was a passing remark on experience in Thailand. With you suggesting that your 10 years has given you intelligence and awareness, then explain to me.--on topic again- That when K.Thaksin was in power-if you remember wasn't the press gagged and the t.v. controlled=======I remember=SURE, and you are saying here that the P.M. is doing the same ???

I only speak of what I see and hear. To me it's not going to make my pension bigger, with him or without him.

Well a quick check shows you are in Udon thani, I am in Nonthaburi, so your local perspective is provincial, mine is suburban, so differences are to be expected. Also whilst you don't declare your age I will be suprised if you are older than me (75). So I grew up in a time of wash boilers and mangles I know all about clothes running in the wash

If you re-read what I wrote, I did not say that my ten years had given me intelligence and awareness, I think i had that long before I came to Thailand. What I said was that these qualities were more important to understanding a culture than just years of immersion.

I am well aware of what Thaksin did to the press, I even know the background to Yoon's (of the Nation) hatred of Thaksin. All I am saying is that Abhisit and the army are doing the same, and both Thaksin in the past and Abhisit now play the Lese Majeste tactic.

So back to my original comment, I am not surprised to see Thaksin supporters appearing in Thaivisa, particularly with a forthcoming election. I am not supporting Thaksin, merely offering a suggestion as to why they are here.

You declare your age when your younger as a rule.. so with me being an oldster from Lincolnshire, I now tend to lie low, and therefore not push it. I dare not think what will happen here if Thaksin gets back, Loathe the man or like him, all hell will break loose up and down the country, my rural knowledge of provincial government officials in Issan especially, I am acutely aware of the massive corruption in towns, In the last 2 years there has been a slight tendency for some to back off, as more people are becoming aware of what is going on, and freedom of expression is getting a bit more common. With the P.M.s hands tied by the military and power people, it's a thankless job here, unless the Government has the FULL power to control without intervention. Thanks for sharing--Dolly tubs and blue bags, end of war street parties!!-My dad was in the LDV. local defense volunteers. ( look -duck-and vanish)

[anterian]

My previous comment seems to have got all the anti Thaksin brigade in an uproar, I simply suggested that a possible reason for many pro Thaksin newbies appearing was that most other avenues had been closed down by the present lot in power. Would anyone deny that they have not been closed?

As to the colour of my shirts, they are not pink as one suggested (hasn't that become a Royal colour now? ), my shirts are distinctly orange, although I confess at one time they were yellow.

As to the writer who suggested that his 30 years residence in Thailand gave his opinion more weight than my mere ten, might I suggest it could also mean he is getting too old

The time you spend in a country has little relevance to one's understanding of events, it is more to do with intelligence and awareness.

Now before some mod accuses me of flaming, I should point out that I have simply responded, and without naming names, to half a dozen attacks on me.

I didn't suggest your shirts were pink--555 HA HA. If you understand about washing clothes, my suggestion was (if you read again my post) dont wash your== red== shirt with whites, otherwise they will turn pink,,GOT IT ?? and what if I am old, does that make me an alien ?? and my 30 years here -statement was not to say I know best--it was a passing remark on experience in Thailand. With you suggesting that your 10 years has given you intelligence and awareness, then explain to me.--on topic again- That when K.Thaksin was in power-if you remember wasn't the press gagged and the t.v. controlled=======I remember=SURE, and you are saying here that the P.M. is doing the same ???

I only speak of what I see and hear. To me it's not going to make my pension bigger, with him or without him.

Well a quick check shows you are in Udon thani, I am in Nonthaburi, so your local perspective is provincial, mine is suburban, so differences are to be expected. Also whilst you don't declare your age I will be suprised if you are older than me (75). So I grew up in a time of wash boilers and mangles I know all about clothes running in the wash

If you re-read what I wrote, I did not say that my ten years had given me intelligence and awareness, I think i had that long before I came to Thailand. What I said was that these qualities were more important to understanding a culture than just years of immersion.

I am well aware of what Thaksin did to the press, I even know the background to Yoon's (of the Nation) hatred of Thaksin. All I am saying is that Abhisit and the army are doing the same, and both Thaksin in the past and Abhisit now play the Lese Majeste tactic.

So back to my original comment, I am not surprised to see Thaksin supporters appearing in Thaivisa, particularly with a forthcoming election. I am not supporting Thaksin, merely offering a suggestion as to why they are here.

You declare your age when your younger as a rule.. so with me being an oldster from Lincolnshire, I now tend to lie low, and therefore not push it. I dare not think what will happen here if Thaksin gets back, Loathe the man or like him, all hell will break loose up and down the country, my rural knowledge of provincial government officials in Issan especially, I am acutely aware of the massive corruption in towns, In the last 2 years there has been a slight tendency for some to back off, as more people are becoming aware of what is going on, and freedom of expression is getting a bit more common. With the P.M.s hands tied by the military and power people, it's a thankless job here, unless the Government has the FULL power to control without intervention. Thanks for sharing--Dolly tubs and blue bags, end of war street parties!!-My dad was in the LDV. local defense volunteers. ( look -duck-and vanish)

I'd forgotten all about those blue bags, thanks for reminding me, they probably vanished about the time the little blue bags of salt vanished from crisps packets. I used to try and hit doodlebugs with my catapault, I guess in Lincolnshire you used a bow and arrow

Sorry everyone for the off topic

[Britannia]

I will be very happy to see him back.

This government has done nothing for us. I think that corruption is the number 1 problem here from small time street vendors right up to Government officials and Army allowing drugs to come into my country. When they let them in, they get richer. The way to stop or at least begin to stop corruptin in Thailand is to give good salaries and so people can live good life. This way there will be less chance of corruptions. When my childrens come from University they can only get low paying jobs. If children can finish University and get a good job that give them enough money to live a decent life then it will help their journy in life to take the middle path and go away from direction of corruption.

I am 50 year Thai and think government must start with:

1. Education at International standards for ALL Thai. Not only rich. English language must be good.
2. Good health care for ALL Thai people.
3. Thailand MUST have good internet if we want to compete Internationally.
4. Labor standards to be set so people can be to make good money for future
5. Stop corruption in Thailand at the same time as raising salaries.
6. Stop drugs here and even if people need to die. The drug dealers will know a law and if continue then they know have death penalty.
7. Have better anf fast system set up to help victoms of disasters because it seems to happen more these days.
8. Make peace with our neighbours even if it mean to give temple rights away in Cambodia and allow access for tourist.

I also have many foreign friend who complain about the visa rules etc so maybe if government can take the fee for visas and apply it direct to Education or war on drugs then the foreigner can feel good about where the visa money goes.

I know in the world all government have corruption but when Thaksin was our PM he did not hide it like many other governments. I can accept this. Maybe if Abhisit have more money and experience he could have done the good job but it is proved that he did not and he have his chance already.

"The way to stop or at least begin to stop corruptin in Thailand is to give good salaries and so people can live good life. This way there will be less chance of corruptions."

Having money doesn't stop corruption. It actually helps corruption since people have more money to pay for it.

The only way to stop corruption is education and prosecution.

I don't have enough time to comment on the rest of your points - some are good, but some are ridiculous.

Well everyone is entitled to thier point of view, but I think if 80% of Thais had his insight we may be seeing a totaly improved Thailand. If your knocking Taksin it's because your ignorant or self righteous or egoistic, or to damned rich to care about anyone but yourself

[lannarebirth]

I will be very happy to see him back.

This government has done nothing for us. I think that corruption is the number 1 problem here from small time street vendors right up to Government officials and Army allowing drugs to come into my country. When they let them in, they get richer. The way to stop or at least begin to stop corruptin in Thailand is to give good salaries and so people can live good life. This way there will be less chance of corruptions. When my childrens come from University they can only get low paying jobs. If children can finish University and get a good job that give them enough money to live a decent life then it will help their journy in life to take the middle path and go away from direction of corruption.

I am 50 year Thai and think government must start with:

1. Education at International standards for ALL Thai. Not only rich. English language must be good.
2. Good health care for ALL Thai people.
3. Thailand MUST have good internet if we want to compete Internationally.
4. Labor standards to be set so people can be to make good money for future
5. Stop corruption in Thailand at the same time as raising salaries.
6. Stop drugs here and even if people need to die. The drug dealers will know a law and if continue then they know have death penalty.
7. Have better anf fast system set up to help victoms of disasters because it seems to happen more these days.
8. Make peace with our neighbours even if it mean to give temple rights away in Cambodia and allow access for tourist.

I also have many foreign friend who complain about the visa rules etc so maybe if government can take the fee for visas and apply it direct to Education or war on drugs then the foreigner can feel good about where the visa money goes.

I know in the world all government have corruption but when Thaksin was our PM he did not hide it like many other governments. I can accept this. Maybe if Abhisit have more money and experience he could have done the good job but it is proved that he did not and he have his chance already.

"The way to stop or at least begin to stop corruptin in Thailand is to give good salaries and so people can live good life. This way there will be less chance of corruptions."

Having money doesn't stop corruption. It actually helps corruption since people have more money to pay for it.

The only way to stop corruption is education and prosecution.

I don't have enough time to comment on the rest of your points - some are good, but some are ridiculous.

Well everyone is entitled to thier point of view, but I think if 80% of Thais had his insight we may be seeing a totaly improved Thailand. If your knocking Taksin it's because your ignorant or self righteous or egoistic, or to damned rich to care about anyone but yourself

Or maybe he lived here throughout that administration. Say, Mr. Brittania, how long have you been here? Just askin'.

[Britannia]

I will be very happy to see him back.

This government has done nothing for us. I think that corruption is the number 1 problem here from small time street vendors right up to Government officials and Army allowing drugs to come into my country. When they let them in, they get richer. The way to stop or at least begin to stop corruptin in Thailand is to give good salaries and so people can live good life. This way there will be less chance of corruptions. When my childrens come from University they can only get low paying jobs. If children can finish University and get a good job that give them enough money to live a decent life then it will help their journy in life to take the middle path and go away from direction of corruption.

I am 50 year Thai and think government must start with:

1. Education at International standards for ALL Thai. Not only rich. English language must be good.
2. Good health care for ALL Thai people.
3. Thailand MUST have good internet if we want to compete Internationally.
4. Labor standards to be set so people can be to make good money for future
5. Stop corruption in Thailand at the same time as raising salaries.
6. Stop drugs here and even if people need to die. The drug dealers will know a law and if continue then they know have death penalty.
7. Have better anf fast system set up to help victoms of disasters because it seems to happen more these days.
8. Make peace with our neighbours even if it mean to give temple rights away in Cambodia and allow access for tourist.

I also have many foreign friend who complain about the visa rules etc so maybe if government can take the fee for visas and apply it direct to Education or war on drugs then the foreigner can feel good about where the visa money goes.

I know in the world all government have corruption but when Thaksin was our PM he did not hide it like many other governments. I can accept this. Maybe if Abhisit have more money and experience he could have done the good job but it is proved that he did not and he have his chance already.

This seems to be the common feeling of most Thais I talk to in my area. Thaksin was self seeking but effective, Abhisit is simply ineffective. Thaksin got things done because there was money in it for him, he ran Thailand as a business. Abhisit simply has no ability or buisness acumen and further is at the mercy of the army.

Slander Taksin because he is all things you can never be. He is a natural leader, those amoung us that are stronger, all those that are weaker can only whisper in the darkness how bad he is. what good have you ever done for the underprivalaged, so he makes billions, that makes you envious but at the same time he does good for the poor. have you ever done good for the poor?

[maewrocks]

I will be very happy to see him back.

This government has done nothing for us. I think that corruption is the number 1 problem here from small time street vendors right up to Government officials and Army allowing drugs to come into my country. When they let them in, they get richer. The way to stop or at least begin to stop corruptin in Thailand is to give good salaries and so people can live good life. This way there will be less chance of corruptions. When my childrens come from University they can only get low paying jobs. If children can finish University and get a good job that give them enough money to live a decent life then it will help their journy in life to take the middle path and go away from direction of corruption.

I am 50 year Thai and think government must start with:

1. Education at International standards for ALL Thai. Not only rich. English language must be good.
2. Good health care for ALL Thai people.
3. Thailand MUST have good internet if we want to compete Internationally.
4. Labor standards to be set so people can be to make good money for future
5. Stop corruption in Thailand at the same time as raising salaries.
6. Stop drugs here and even if people need to die. The drug dealers will know a law and if continue then they know have death penalty.
7. Have better anf fast system set up to help victoms of disasters because it seems to happen more these days.
8. Make peace with our neighbours even if it mean to give temple rights away in Cambodia and allow access for tourist.

I also have many foreign friend who complain about the visa rules etc so maybe if government can take the fee for visas and apply it direct to Education or war on drugs then the foreigner can feel good about where the visa money goes.

I know in the world all government have corruption but when Thaksin was our PM he did not hide it like many other governments. I can accept this. Maybe if Abhisit have more money and experience he could have done the good job but it is proved that he did not and he have his chance already.

"The way to stop or at least begin to stop corruptin in Thailand is to give good salaries and so people can live good life. This way there will be less chance of corruptions."

Having money doesn't stop corruption. It actually helps corruption since people have more money to pay for it.

The only way to stop corruption is education and prosecution.

I don't have enough time to comment on the rest of your points - some are good, but some are ridiculous.

Well everyone is entitled to thier point of view, but I think if 80% of Thais had his insight we may be seeing a totaly improved Thailand. If your knocking Taksin it's because your ignorant or self righteous or egoistic, or to damned rich to care about anyone but yourself

Red/ Thaksin haters on this forum (& in general) can be easily put into one of a few boxes;

1. They have been over subjected to government media/ propaganda

2. The only Thai people they know are yellow as they don't have the language skills to converse meaningfully with the general populace

3. Their business/ job was badly affected by last year's red shirt rally

[jdinasia]

Red/ Thaksin haters on this forum (& in general) can be easily put into one of a few boxes;

1. They have been over subjected to government media/ propaganda

2. The only Thai people they know are yellow as they don't have the language skills to converse meaningfully with the general populace

3. Their business/ job was badly affected by last year's red shirt rally

HUH?

That is about the same as saying ...

Those that approve of Thaksin approve of extra-judicial murders numbering in the 1000's.

Approve of corruption on a grand scale.

Only listen to Jatuporn and Weng.

Don't know any middle-class people at all .... etc etc etc

Can't speak and can't understand standard central-Thai language etc .....

Both patently wrong ...

Having heard (and understood) the lies being told from the red stages, and knowing Thaksin's history certainly don't land me in your category, and I think Thaksin was the worst thing that has happened to Thailand in the last 3 decades!

[Britannia]

I will be very happy to see him back.

This government has done nothing for us. I think that corruption is the number 1 problem here from small time street vendors right up to Government officials and Army allowing drugs to come into my country. When they let them in, they get richer. The way to stop or at least begin to stop corruptin in Thailand is to give good salaries and so people can live good life. This way there will be less chance of corruptions. When my childrens come from University they can only get low paying jobs. If children can finish University and get a good job that give them enough money to live a decent life then it will help their journy in life to take the middle path and go away from direction of corruption.

I am 50 year Thai and think government must start with:

1. Education at International standards for ALL Thai. Not only rich. English language must be good.
2. Good health care for ALL Thai people.
3. Thailand MUST have good internet if we want to compete Internationally.
4. Labor standards to be set so people can be to make good money for future
5. Stop corruption in Thailand at the same time as raising salaries.
6. Stop drugs here and even if people need to die. The drug dealers will know a law and if continue then they know have death penalty.
7. Have better anf fast system set up to help victoms of disasters because it seems to happen more these days.
8. Make peace with our neighbours even if it mean to give temple rights away in Cambodia and allow access for tourist.

I also have many foreign friend who complain about the visa rules etc so maybe if government can take the fee for visas and apply it direct to Education or war on drugs then the foreigner can feel good about where the visa money goes.

I know in the world all government have corruption but when Thaksin was our PM he did not hide it like many other governments. I can accept this. Maybe if Abhisit have more money and experience he could have done the good job but it is proved that he did not and he have his chance already.

"The way to stop or at least begin to stop corruptin in Thailand is to give good salaries and so people can live good life. This way there will be less chance of corruptions."

Having money doesn't stop corruption. It actually helps corruption since people have more money to pay for it.

The only way to stop corruption is education and prosecution.

I don't have enough time to comment on the rest of your points - some are good, but some are ridiculous.

Well everyone is entitled to thier point of view, but I think if 80% of Thais had his insight we may be seeing a totaly improved Thailand. If your knocking Taksin it's because your ignorant or self righteous or egoistic, or to damned rich to care about anyone but yourself

Or maybe he lived here throughout that administration. Say, Mr. Brittania, how long have you been here? Just askin'.

Not to long only 11 years,however the time factor is not relevant, only that all politicians are corrupt, only some do good for other whilst they are doing better for themselves and most do nothing but come out smelling of roses. When you are all judging Mr T ask has he done something no matter how much for te poor. If the poor are so unimportant then God can never help- you

[anterian]

" The only Thai people they know are yellow as they don't have the language skills to converse meaningfully with the general populace"

Language skills are not essential, just the ability to look around you and observe.

[maewrocks]

" The only Thai people they know are yellow as they don't have the language skills to converse meaningfully with the general populace"

Language skills are not essential, just the ability to look around you and observe.

Have you managed to observe that PT are the most popular political party in Thailand?