'No Policy To Give Thaksin Amnesty'

[webfact]

'No policy to give Thaksin amnesty'

By THE NATION

Pheu Thai accuses Democrats of false accusation; Suthep says they're lying

The Pheu Thai Party yesterday clarified it has no policy to give amnesty to fugitive former premier Thaksin Shinawatra or return him his seized assets of Bt46 billion, as claimed by the rival Democrat Party.

In a statement released yesterday, Pheu Thai rejected the allegations made by Democrat leader Abhisit Vejjajiva and other key Democrats during their campaign rally at the CentralWorld shopping mall on Thursday night.

"Abhisit and the Democrat Party intentionally made the false allegation. The Pheu Thai Party has no such policies," the statement said.

Democrat secretary-general Suthep Thaugsuban yesterday disputed Pheu Thai's denial. He said the idea of offering an amnesty to Thaksin had been floated by many Pheu Thai figures, including Chalerm Yoobamrung.

"What they said was heard by media people. But today they lie about it. It's just a lie. They keep changing their words," Suthep said.

Pheu Thai's three-point statement also it was a political institution that served people all over the country, and not just any particular individual. It promised to adhere to the rule of law if it was elected and formed the government.

The statement was obviously aimed at countering the Democrats' allegation that Pheu Thai was looking after Thaksin's interests instead of those of the public.

Pheu Thai also said in the statement that it would focus on campaigning constructively by proposing policy platforms and solutions for the people and the country.

Thaksin yesterday sent a Twitter message calling for reconciliation and unity. He offered an apology for upsetting people in the past and said he forgave those who had hurt him with their words.

"We have to overcome the past to bring the country forward together. We must not go backwards or stay put," he said through his ThaksinLive Twitter account.

Prime Minister Abhisit, responding to Thaksin's latest message, said Thaksin should accept the court rulings against him. "That is a good step if he is sincere about reconciliation," he said.

Abhisit said he remained unsure about what Thaksin actually meant when he asked for the relevant parties to "overcome the past". He wondered if the ex-premier would come to terms with the court-ordered seizure of Bt46 billion of his assets.

Suthep yesterday expressed optimism that the Democrats would get more voter support after the party's rally on Thursday that presented its version on last year's political unrest.

"I think the Democrat Party will win at least 27 House seats in Bangkok or possibly 30," he said, adding he also expected the Democrats to win 10 out of the 11 House seats from the three southernmost provinces.

There are 33 seats up for grabs in the capital.

Meanwhile, former prime minister Banharn Silapa-archa yesterday expressed relief that there was no incident during the Democrat rally at Central World, which is close to the centre of last year's anti-government rally by the red shirts at the Ratchaprasong intersection.

Banharn, who is chief adviser to the leader of the coalition Chart Thai Pattana Party, said he did not think the Democrat rally was good for reconciliation efforts.

-- The Nation 2011-06-25

[virtualtraveller]

As we move into the last week of the campaigning the ever shrewd Thaksin is now trying to allay fears of chaos and protest if the Peua Thai get in, he's going for the undecided voter who thinks that voting for PT isn't good in the long run because they'll bring him home and the country will erupt.

But just last week he was speaking about being home in time for his daughter's wedding in December. His freedom bid has been his (and his party's) number 1 goal for several years now, they are on record plenty of times saying so confidently, they've campaigned on it, now they are switching their story.

It's nice to hear some remorseful words from Thaksin, but it's a bit late, we don't trust him, by apologising is he finally admitting that in fact he was guilty all along?

[OZEMADE]

As we move into the last week of the campaigning the ever shrewd Thaksin is now trying to allay fears of chaos and protest if the Peua Thai get in, he's going for the undecided voter who thinks that voting for PT isn't good in the long run because they'll bring him home and the country will erupt.

But just last week he was speaking about being home in time for his daughter's wedding in December. His freedom bid has been his (and his party's) number 1 goal for several years now, they are on record plenty of times saying so confidently, they've campaigned on it, now they are switching their story.

It's nice to hear some remorseful words from Thaksin, but it's a bit late, we don't trust him, by apologising is he finally admitting that in fact he was guilty all along?

Well the Democrats have also gone against what they said earlier, that there would be no Amnesty for anyone, especially Thaksin.

I copied this on another thread earlier and it should be here as well.

Amnesty offer by Democrats

The Democrats have changed course a tad, and now want tooffer amnesty to more than 200 banned politicians, but of course not forThaksin Shinawatra.

Edited June 25, 2011 by webfact
Link to Bangkok Post removed /Admin

[Buchholz]

His freedom bid has been his (and his party's) number 1 goal for several years now, they are on record plenty of times saying so confidently, they've campaigned on it, now they are switching their story.

The number of times they've brought up the issue of amnesty and his return is surpassed only by the number of times Thaksin has said he's quit politics.

When lying becomes that ingrained, it's difficult even for the liar to recognize it is a lie.

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[sawadeeken]

B.S. They will never admit to it. And it may not be 'Policy', But it obvious that it is their plan ----- and money in their 'greedy' pockets at the same time............... BUT just think about how many gullible voters will buy this 'crap' after receiving a couple hundred baht for their votes...............

[JurgenG]

A misleading tittle that (conveniently) hides what is the most significant statement of this thread

Former prime minister Banharn Silapa-archa yesterday expressed relief that there was no incident during the Democrat rally at Central World.

Banharn, who is chief adviser to the leader of the coalition Chart Thai Pattana Party, said he did not think the Democrat rally was good for reconciliation efforts.

The only way the democrats can hope to stay in the driving seat is by deepening the divisions of the country.

In an united Thailand, the democrats will appear as they really are : a small civil servant union catering to the privileged few.

[billd766]

A misleading tittle that (conveniently) hides what is the most significant statement of this thread

Former prime minister Banharn Silapa-archa yesterday expressed relief that there was no incident during the Democrat rally at Central World.

Banharn, who is chief adviser to the leader of the coalition Chart Thai Pattana Party, said he did not think the Democrat rally was good for reconciliation efforts.

The only way the democrats can hope to stay in the driving seat is by deepening the divisions of the country.

In an united Thailand, the democrats will appear as they really are : a small civil servant union catering to the privileged few.

If they are only a small civil servant catering to the privileged few how come they get so many seats in parliament and so many votes from just a "few" people?

And do this "few" cover most of the South, a lot of Central Thailand and also Bangkok, approximately 60% of the country.

Quite a few more than a few I think.

Edited June 25, 2011 by billd766

[JurgenG]

In an united Thailand, the democrats will appear as they really are : a small civil servant union catering to the privileged few.

If they are only a small civil servant catering to the privileged few how come they get so many seats in parliament and so many votes from just a "few" people?

And do this "few" cover most of the South, a lot of Central Thailand and also Bangkok, approximately 60% of the country.

Quite a few more than a few I think.

"few" refers to the people they are catering to, not the people who vote for them. Who are not than many anyway.

How do they achieve that ? Just as I said, misleading the voters.

Their tactic ? Divide and conquer.

Edited June 25, 2011 by JurgenG

[animatic]

In an united Thailand, the democrats will appear as they really are : a small civil servant union catering to the privileged few.

If they are only a small civil servant catering to the privileged few how come they get so many seats in parliament and so many votes from just a "few" people?

And do this "few" cover most of the South, a lot of Central Thailand and also Bangkok, approximately 60% of the country.

Quite a few more than a few I think.

"few" refers to the people they are catering to, not the people who vote for them. Who are not than many anyway.

How do they achieve that ? Just as I said, misleading the voters.

Their tactic ? Divide and conquer.

Misleading the voters. Divide and conquer.

Which really is Thaksin's tactic stated in simplest form.

[SomTumTiger]

Cough cough, cough cough co(bullsh*t)ugh cough cough

[OzMick]

A misleading tittle that (conveniently) hides what is the most significant statement of this thread

Former prime minister Banharn Silapa-archa yesterday expressed relief that there was no incident during the Democrat rally at Central World.

Banharn, who is chief adviser to the leader of the coalition Chart Thai Pattana Party, said he did not think the Democrat rally was good for reconciliation efforts.

The only way the democrats can hope to stay in the driving seat is by deepening the divisions of the country.

In an united Thailand, the democrats will appear as they really are : a small civil servant union catering to the privileged few.

Refuting lies with cold hard facts will only be divisional as long as those being deceived about the events refuse to accept the truth. It is always hard for people to accept that they have been conned and used, that their peaceful protest was a disguise for an armed insurrection, and their drive for democracy was in fact merely an attempt by a criminal to restore himself to power and corruption.

Keeping them uninformed and ignorant seems to be the aim of PTP. By increasing the rice subsidy to 200 billion baht, those receiving it (after much has been diverted by the millers) will still be left on a poverty level income, while reducing govt expenditure on schools, hospitals and services that they need to lift them. BTW 50 billion of that subsidy came about because Yingluk made an off-the-cuff remark at a rally, and that PTP have been forced to endorse, at least until after the election.

[MAJIC]

'No policy to give Thaksin amnesty'

And the moon is made of Green Cheese.

Edited June 25, 2011 by MAJIC

[billd766]

'No policy to give Thaksin amnesty'

And the moon is made of Green Cheese.

It is cos my Mum told me so years ago.

[webfact]

Korbsak slams Pheu Thai for denying having amnesty policy

BANGKOK, 25 June 2011 (NNT) – Chairperson of the Democrat Party’s election strategies committee Korbsak Sabhavasu has criticized the Pheu Thai Party’s claim that it does not have a policy to grant amnesty for ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra.

In response to the Democrat Party’s major political speech at Ratchaprasong Intersection, the Pheu Thai Party claimed that it had been falsely accused of planning to seek pardon for Mr Thaksin. However, Mr Korbsak lambasted the party for saying so after it had been advertising the amnesty policy since the beginning of its election campaign. He cited as proof the party’s slogan ‘Thaksin Thinks, Pheu Thai Does’ as well as an interview by its prime ministerial candidate Yingluck Shinawatra saying Police Captain Chalerm Yubamrung would be appointed to oversee the amnesty process.

If Pheu Thai received the majority votes in this election, Mr Korbsak pointed out that it was clear the party would do everything to free Mr Thaksin from all fraud allegations and would propose a special budget bill to Parliament in order to pay 46 billion THB back to the ex-premier. He thus will make sure that people coming out to vote on 26 June and 3 July are well informed of this fact.

-- NNT 2011-06-25

[bigbamboo]

The bottom line is that Thailand is an unequal society that needs reform and unifying but Thaksin (or 'Thaksin clones' for that matter) are not the answer.

[hellodolly]

A misleading tittle that (conveniently) hides what is the most significant statement of this thread

Former prime minister Banharn Silapa-archa yesterday expressed relief that there was no incident during the Democrat rally at Central World.

Banharn, who is chief adviser to the leader of the coalition Chart Thai Pattana Party, said he did not think the Democrat rally was good for reconciliation efforts.

The only way the democrats can hope to stay in the driving seat is by deepening the divisions of the country.

In an united Thailand, the democrats will appear as they really are : a small civil servant union catering to the privileged few.

Well that is better than catering to the one.

Had to laugh at this half truth

"Pheu Thai's three-point statement also it was a political institution that served people all over the country, and not just any particular individual. It promised to adhere to the rule of law if it was elected and formed the government."

Looks good but the rest of the story is after we have changed the law.

[jdinasia]

In an united Thailand, the democrats will appear as they really are : a small civil servant union catering to the privileged few.

If they are only a small civil servant catering to the privileged few how come they get so many seats in parliament and so many votes from just a "few" people?

And do this "few" cover most of the South, a lot of Central Thailand and also Bangkok, approximately 60% of the country.

Quite a few more than a few I think.

"few" refers to the people they are catering to, not the people who vote for them. Who are not than many anyway.

How do they achieve that ? Just as I said, misleading the voters.

Their tactic ? Divide and conquer.

Based upon your above observations it would seem fair to say that PTP is catering to the privileged ONE. "not the people that vote for them" How do they achieve that? "misleading the voters". I clearly remember when Yingluck put Chalerm in charge of the amnesty ------ but hey ..... Now they lie about it

[rixalex]

The bottom line is that Thailand is an unequal society that needs reform and unifying but Thaksin (or 'Thaksin clones' for that matter) are not the answer.

He won't be the answer, but he could be, if he had the inclination. All he would have to do is come back to Thailand, accept his conviction, as well as allowing cases against him to proceed, and accepting judgements that result. Spend time in prison. Show repent. Keep out of politics. It would be a great example to set, and put those other politicians also guilty of crime, under pressure. Judging from what we know about the man of course it will never happen.

[RKASA]

give amnesty to fugitive?

Explain how they will do it. Who signs off on this if they did?

[jdinasia]

give amnesty to fugitive?

Explain how they will do it. Who signs off on this if they did?

Everything that happened with the PAD protesting in 2008 was to prevent exactly what PTP is proposing now. Changing the constitution to wipe the slate clean for Thaksin. I wonder, however, if that would stop him from being re-tried on the corruption case that he has already lost OR being tried on cases from when he was PM (before the coup.) If you wipe the slate clean just back to the coup then it would seem that 'double jeopardy' would not then apply.

[DP25]

If Pheu Thai received the majority votes in this election, Mr Korbsak pointed out that it was clear the party would do everything to free Mr Thaksin from all fraud allegations and would propose a special budget bill to Parliament in order to pay 46 billion THB back to the ex-premier.

Will the check PTP cut him only be for 46 billion Baht? Surely he deserves to be compensated for his trouble

[RKASA]

give amnesty to fugitive?

Explain how they will do it. Who signs off on this if they did?

Everything that happened with the PAD protesting in 2008 was to prevent exactly what PTP is proposing now. Changing the constitution to wipe the slate clean for Thaksin. I wonder, however, if that would stop him from being re-tried on the corruption case that he has already lost OR being tried on cases from when he was PM (before the coup.) If you wipe the slate clean just back to the coup then it would seem that 'double jeopardy' would not then apply.

Who signs off on the changes?

[jdinasia]

give amnesty to fugitive?

Explain how they will do it. Who signs off on this if they did?

Everything that happened with the PAD protesting in 2008 was to prevent exactly what PTP is proposing now. Changing the constitution to wipe the slate clean for Thaksin. I wonder, however, if that would stop him from being re-tried on the corruption case that he has already lost OR being tried on cases from when he was PM (before the coup.) If you wipe the slate clean just back to the coup then it would seem that 'double jeopardy' would not then apply.

Who signs off on the changes?

Parliament

[frodo]

Cough cough, cough cough co(bullsh*t)ugh cough cough

Indeed! Today from another online news source:

"...red shirt leaders Natthawut Saikua and Prompong Nopparit advised Pheu Thai candidates in the North and Northeast to tell the electorate that "people must choose candidates that are direct descendants from the main dissolved parties, not other candidates that left the parties and formed a splinter party. If the people don't elect our own kind, Thaksin cannot come back home."

Fairly obvious that PT continues to maintain division in society and only for one man. "Elect our own kind and Thaksin comes home."

[siampolee]

The Red shirt effect is the popular name for induced apathia, a phenomenon that allows the leadership of the movement to encounter death and suffering of others with little emotional energy in the pursuit of their own ends.

It is sad to see that amongst all the shouting about Thaksin and the cries concerning an amnesty for him, little or nothing has been said or even done about the forgotten little people in the . "Red Shirt" movement who still languish in prison.Again the pawns are forgotten.

The original grass roots movement was hi-jacked by those who converted that movement into their own personal juggernaut in their and their acolytes pursuit of despotic power and a return to corruption and absolute power.

Those hijacking political pirates scream for the freedom of Thaksin at the expense of those who have lost all and indeed those who died as a result of the hi-jacking.

Indeed the principals of those vested interests is nauseating to say the least.

The Red Shirts are those red-shirted guys in Thailand who have no name and always die, especially on away missions. ( Arisman? ) They tend to get shot, have their blood drained, be stabbed mercilessly, have a giant spear shoved through the chest. These red-shirted personnel have no families that matter nor do they have memorial services. None of the command crew remember the sacrifices that the Red-Shirts have made for the good of the omnipotent we must call for an amnesty leader Thaksin who lives in opulent luxury in Dubai in his own money pit.

Edited June 25, 2011 by siampolee

[OzMick]

The Red shirt effect is the popular name for induced apathia, a phenomenon that allows the leadership of the movement to encounter death and suffering of others with little emotional energy in the pursuit of their own ends.

It is sad to see that amongst all the shouting about Thaksin and the cries concerning an amnesty for him, little or nothing has been said or even done about the forgotten little people in the . "Red Shirt" movement who still languish in prison.Again the pawns are forgotten.

The original grass roots movement was hi-jacked by those who converted that movement into their own personal juggernaut in their and their acolytes pursuit of despotic power and a return to corruption and absolute power.

Those hijacking political pirates scream for the freedom of Thaksin at the expense of those who have lost all and indeed those who died as a result of the hi-jacking.

Indeed the principals of those vested interests is nauseating to say the least.

The Red Shirts are those red-shirted guys in Thailand who have no name and always die, especially on away missions. ( Arisman? ) They tend to get shot, have their blood drained, be stabbed mercilessly, have a giant spear shoved through the chest. These red-shirted personnel have no families that matter nor do they have memorial services. None of the command crew remember the sacrifices that the Red-Shirts have made for the good of the omnipotent we must call for an amnesty leader Thaksin who lives in opulent luxury in Dubai in his own money pit.nal grass roots movement to be hijacked

IMHO there was no original grass roots movement to be hijacked. Thaksin sent out agitators to distort the truth about Abhisit's gaining power. The message was "We woz robd" to people to ignorant/uneducated to understand the democratic process. Allowing them to add on their own aspirations, but never clearly defined, gave the mask to the real purpose - amnesty for Thaksin.

[Chupup]

A misleading tittle that (conveniently) hides what is the most significant statement of this thread

Former prime minister Banharn Silapa-archa yesterday expressed relief that there was no incident during the Democrat rally at Central World.

Banharn, who is chief adviser to the leader of the coalition Chart Thai Pattana Party, said he did not think the Democrat rally was good for reconciliation efforts.

The only way the democrats can hope to stay in the driving seat is by deepening the divisions of the country.

In an united Thailand, the democrats will appear as they really are : a small civil servant union catering to the privileged few.

jurgen, you sound like a cracked record, try to say somthing different instead of same old same old

[bf2002]

Who cares!!!!!

Look at the results when he is was in office and since then!!!! Was your life better if you have property as a foreigner? Who threatened the housing corp setup (clue: not him)? Who has talked about Thaksin's corruption but can't even produce the growth he did WITH his corruption.....I'll go with the guy that makes 100 bucks and gives me 25, over the talkers who borrow 50 bucks and gives me nothing.

The thais know this, that's what the "reds" ALWAYS WIN! One wonders how some many naive fellow Westerners don't get this.....so how's your business done since the coup? or your home price?

His sister's gonna win....he may or may not come back....but the guys steering the country into the mekong will be gone and that's all that matters.

As we move into the last week of the campaigning the ever shrewd Thaksin is now trying to allay fears of chaos and protest if the Peua Thai get in, he's going for the undecided voter who thinks that voting for PT isn't good in the long run because they'll bring him home and the country will erupt.

But just last week he was speaking about being home in time for his daughter's wedding in December. His freedom bid has been his (and his party's) number 1 goal for several years now, they are on record plenty of times saying so confidently, they've campaigned on it, now they are switching their story.

It's nice to hear some remorseful words from Thaksin, but it's a bit late, we don't trust him, by apologising is he finally admitting that in fact he was guilty all along?

[beammeup]

Who cares!!!!!

Look at the results when he is was in office and since then!!!! Was your life better if you have property as a foreigner? Who threatened the housing corp setup (clue: not him)? Who has talked about Thaksin's corruption but can't even produce the growth he did WITH his corruption.....I'll go with the guy that makes 100 bucks and gives me 25, over the talkers who borrow 50 bucks and gives me nothing.

The thais know this, that's what the "reds" ALWAYS WIN! One wonders how some many naive fellow Westerners don't get this.....so how's your business done since the coup? or your home price?

His sister's gonna win....he may or may not come back....but the guys steering the country into the mekong will be gone and that's all that matters.

As we move into the last week of the campaigning the ever shrewd Thaksin is now trying to allay fears of chaos and protest if the Peua Thai get in, he's going for the undecided voter who thinks that voting for PT isn't good in the long run because they'll bring him home and the country will erupt.

But just last week he was speaking about being home in time for his daughter's wedding in December. His freedom bid has been his (and his party's) number 1 goal for several years now, they are on record plenty of times saying so confidently, they've campaigned on it, now they are switching their story.

It's nice to hear some remorseful words from Thaksin, but it's a bit late, we don't trust him, by apologising is he finally admitting that in fact he was guilty all along?

Do the words Global recession mean anything to you?

[whybother]

Who cares!!!!!

Look at the results when he is was in office and since then!!!! Was your life better if you have property as a foreigner? Who threatened the housing corp setup (clue: not him)? Who has talked about Thaksin's corruption but can't even produce the growth he did WITH his corruption.....I'll go with the guy that makes 100 bucks and gives me 25, over the talkers who borrow 50 bucks and gives me nothing.

The thais know this, that's what the "reds" ALWAYS WIN! One wonders how some many naive fellow Westerners don't get this.....so how's your business done since the coup? or your home price?

His sister's gonna win....he may or may not come back....but the guys steering the country into the mekong will be gone and that's all that matters.

Some people seem to forget that there was a global economic boom while Thaksin was PM, and a Global Financial Crisis while the Democrats were in government.

... oh ... unless your suggesting that the global economic boom was because of Thaksin, and the GFC was caused because Thaksin wasn't in control of the Thai economy. I'm sure there would be a few Thaksin supporters that would believe that.