Thaksin In Talks With Smaller Parties: Suthep

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Thaksin in talks with smaller parties: Suthep

By THE NATION

Two parties and Yingluck deny efforts already being made to forge a Pheu Thai-led coalition

Suthep Thaugsuban, the Democrat Party secretary-general, revealed yesterday that fugitive former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra had approached smaller parties to join a Pheu Thai-led coalition after the July 3 general election.

"I heard [yesterday] that Thaksin had called different party leaders to ask them about their conditions for supporting Pheu Thai," Suthep said.

"He [Thaksin] also said that he suspected there would be cheating at the elections. He appears to have come up with an excuse in case his party loses. He will say they were cheated if they lose."

Suthep, however, said he was unconcerned about Thaksin's reported lobbying. "I am not worried. It all depends on the election result."

Democrat leader Abhisit Vejjajiva yesterday said he too was not concerned about the ex-prime minister's reported moves: "The voters will make their decision."

Thaksin is believed to be pulling strings behind the Pheu Thai Party. His sister Yingluck Shinawatra is contesting the upcoming election as Pheu Thai's top candidate.

Yingluck dismissed Suthep's claim, saying Thaksin had nothing to do with wooing allies for Pheu Thai. She added that it was "too early" to seek coalition partners.

Key figures from two coalition partners denied Thaksin had approached their parties to join a Pheu Thai-led coalition.

Chumpol Silapa-archa, leader of the coalition Chart Thai Pattana Party, said he had never been approached by any political party or individual. He added that such talk would happen after the election.

The economic chief of the coalition Chart Pattana Puea Pandin Party, Goanpot Aswinvichit, said that his party had not been approached by Thaksin.

Suthep, who is also deputy prime minister, acknowledged that the Democrat Party had a plan to support amnesty for politicians involved in political cases, but not criminal or corruption cases. Among those who would benefit were party executive members who had been banned from politics for five years after their parties were disbanded by a court order for electoral fraud.

He said an amnesty law or changes to the Constitution might be needed to offer amnesty to such politicians.

-- The Nation 2011-06-25

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Thaksin not involved in forming new government: Yingluck

BANGKOK, June 25 - Top Pheu Thai Party list candidate Yingluck Shinawatra on Friday dismissed allegations by the Democrat Party that her brother, fugitive ex-premier Thaksin, is now lobbying coalition parties to form a new government with her party.

Ms Yingluck's denial came after Democrat party deputy leader Suthep Thaugsuban said he was told by an unidentified friend that Mr Thaksin is working through a close aide to seek cooperation from coalition parties in forming a new government led by the Pheu Thai party, with favours being offered in return.

The Pheu Thai prime ministerial hopeful stated that her brother, now living in exile, has nothing to do with the new government formation and that it is now too early to talk about the matter.

She downplayed the impact of the Democrat Party's political at Ratchaprasong Thursday evening, saying the information on the Red Shirt demonstrations and their clashes with security forces cited by the Democrat heavyweights on the stage was not new as it was debated in parliament.

"The Pheu Thai Party will not hit back at the Democrats' allegation that we want to see the country moving towards national reconciliation," Ms Yingluck said.

The Pheu Thai Party issued a statement Friday dismissing the Democratic allegations that it has a policy to grant amnesty for the convicted ex-premier and returning his seized assets worth Bt46.373 billion.

The statement accused Mr Abhisit and the Democrat Party of intentionally slandering Pheu Thai with false information.

In other developments, Thaksin's three children, Panthongtae, Pinthongta and Paethongtan, on Friday joined the election campaign to help Pheu Thai MP candidate for Bangkok constituency 7.

Ms Pinthongta said she hopes her father can return to Thailand for her wedding set for December but that it depends on several factors.

Following deposed premier Thaksin's tweet in his Twitter account @thaksinlive asking all parties to forget the past and begin national reconciliation, Prime Minister Abhisit on Friday asserted that reconciliation will be able to start only if Mr Thaksin himself accepts the court ruling.

The Supreme Court’s Criminal Division for Holders of Political Positions last year seized assets valued at Bt46 billion (US$1.4 billion) from Mr Thaksin out of the entire Bt76 billion ($2.3 billion) fortune after ruling that the fugitive former premier had abused his power.

Mr Abhisit said he was unworried by Mr Thaksin’s alleged move to form a new government after the July 3 election, saying the Democrat Party stood firm in saying that if the public want the country freed from the Thaksin cycle, vote for the Democrats.

The Democrat party leader attended a party campaign event today at Chulalongkorn University where his wife Pimpen, a university lecturer, and his daughter Prang, who studies there reportedly joined the activity amid cheerful supporters. (MCOT online news)

-- TNA 2011-06-25

[themockrat]

Suthep, however, said he was unconcerned about Thaksin's reported lobbying. "I am not worried."

Suthep is the coolest guy out there. He's never worried. Perhaps he has already accepted the inevitable.

[geriatrickid]

Suthep, however, said he was unconcerned about Thaksin's reported lobbying. "I am not worried."

Suthep is the coolest guy out there. He's never worried. Perhaps he has already accepted the inevitable.

His priviliged position in Thai society is assured. He need not worry.

[virtualtraveller]

This is the next big story folks.

If Suthep 'has the evidence' then hand it over to the EC. What's the bet, if PT form the next government they will be disbanded within 8 months for being an obvious proxy of a banned politician, well what's new about that, but in this case it's not going to be difficult for them to dig up evidence. They can start with the video of Thaksin personally announcing 'his' choice for PT Party List Candidate No. 1'.

[moe666]

These democrats are playing to loose if they have evidence smearr it all over the media. Banned politician playing politics

The democratics need to start playing hard ball with PTP. Stop playing not to lose but start playing to win.

[Buchholz]

So if Thaksin is talking with smaller parties, does that mean he's backing away from his repeated assurances that Pheu Thai Party would absolutely win in a landslide with a resulting pure majority in Parliament and not need any other party to form a coalition?

What's become of Chalerm's vow that they would have at least 300 MP's in Pheu Thai? or even Thaksin's claim of 270 MP's?

.

[ramrod711]

Suthep, however, said he was unconcerned about Thaksin's reported lobbying. "I am not worried."

Suthep is the coolest guy out there. He's never worried. Perhaps he has already accepted the inevitable.

the best thing to come out of this mess is that someone finally found a way to keep jatuporn quiet for a while. i hear that guys voice and it's like waving a red flag in front of a bull.

[Sydebolle]

quote:

Suthep ......... acknowledged that the Democrat Party had a plan to support amnesty for politicians involved in political cases, but not criminal or corruption cases. Among those who would benefit were party executive members who had been banned from politics for five years after their parties were disbanded by a court order for electoral fraud.

unquote

Is electoral fraud, as verdicted in the 111 cases some 4.5 years ago, not related to corruption; after all it was about vote buying; if I am not mistaken? `

[Samuian]

Sure, there is nothing to deny, it's crystal clear and simply the truth, after Somchai and Samak governments denying working for "the man" even it was so obvious, now Yinluck his sister, running for PM that this man will never ever give up, till he get's back at the helm to finish off with his "war on drugs" easy way to clear the path forever... ah' well... leave it to destiny, we'll see!

Edited June 25, 2011 by Samuian

[whybother]

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On Suthep's remarks (he is like the pit bull of the party-and no wonder given his illustrious past!)- I wonder if he is familiar with the following quotes:_ "put up or shut up", "publish and be damned", and "reveal your sources". I for one would not trust anything the smiling Suthep says. WHEN HE WAS NOT EVEN AN MP, HE ORDERED THAT DEMONSTRATORS BE SHOT.

<snip>

When did anyone order demonstrators be shot?

Been listening to Red Radio much?

Edited June 25, 2011 by whybother

[unanimosity]

Suthep, however, said he was unconcerned about Thaksin's reported lobbying. "I am not worried."

Suthep is the coolest guy out there. He's never worried. Perhaps he has already accepted the inevitable.

Either that, or it could be that he has already lobbied other parties behind the scenes for a coalition as he has accused Thaksin of doing.

[whybother]

Either that, or it could be that he has already lobbied other parties behind the scenes for a coalition as he has accused Thaksin of doing.

The difference being, Suthep is a legitimate part of a party. Thaksin is not.

[rixalex]

So if Thaksin is talking with smaller parties, does that mean he's backing away from his repeated assurances that Pheu Thai Party would absolutely win in a landslide with a resulting pure majority in Parliament and not need any other party to form a coalition?

What's become of Chalerm's vow that they would have at least 300 MP's in Pheu Thai? or even Thaksin's claim of 270 MP's?

.

In fairness, i think Thaksin's stated position is that he thinks they will win a landslide, but even so, they will look for small parties, like those with one or two seats, to join with them. Reason being that from his past experience, he found it better to have these parties on board with you as then they can't create trouble and you can control them. Another good thing is that as they are so small, you really don't have to offer them too many concessions.

[Ricardo]

So if Thaksin is talking with smaller parties, does that mean he's backing away from his repeated assurances that Pheu Thai Party would absolutely win in a landslide with a resulting pure majority in Parliament and not need any other party to form a coalition?

What's become of Chalerm's vow that they would have at least 300 MP's in Pheu Thai? or even Thaksin's claim of 270 MP's?

.

In fairness, i think Thaksin's stated position is that he thinks they will win a landslide, but even so, they will look for small parties, like those with one or two seats, to join with them. Reason being that from his past experience, he found it better to have these parties on board with you as then they can't create trouble and you can control them. Another good thing is that as they are so small, you really don't have to offer them too many concessions.

Agreed, better to have a couple of very-minor parties inside the PTP-Party-Tent, than have them outside the tent & actively looking-to help the Dems form the next coalition-government.

[OzMick]

Or simply offer the MPs of the small party a few million baht each to merge with PTP - worked before, will work again. Never underestimate a pollie's greed!

[Who, me ?]

Suthep, however, said he was unconcerned about Thaksin's reported lobbying. "I am not worried."

Suthep is the coolest guy out there. He's never worried. Perhaps he has already accepted the inevitable.

Or maybe he has information that you don't have

[OzMick]

"She downplayed the impact of the Democrat Party's political at Ratchaprasong Thursday evening, saying the information on the Red Shirt demonstrations and their clashes with security forces cited by the Democrat heavyweights on the stage was not new as it was debated in parliament."

Should I take this as an endorsement of it's veracity. After all, deceiving parliament is grounds for an MP's dismissal, at least where I come from.

[JurgenG]

"She downplayed the impact of the Democrat Party's political at Ratchaprasong Thursday evening, saying the information on the Red Shirt demonstrations and their clashes with security forces cited by the Democrat heavyweights on the stage was not new as it was debated in parliament."

Should I take this as an endorsement of it's veracity. After all, deceiving parliament is grounds for an MP's dismissal, at least where I come from.

Deceiving parliament ? Do you mind to explain how you came to this conclusion ?

[OzMick]

"She downplayed the impact of the Democrat Party's political at Ratchaprasong Thursday evening, saying the information on the Red Shirt demonstrations and their clashes with security forces cited by the Democrat heavyweights on the stage was not new as it was debated in parliament."

Should I take this as an endorsement of it's veracity. After all, deceiving parliament is grounds for an MP's dismissal, at least where I come from.

Deceiving parliament ? Do you mind to explain how you came to this conclusion ?

Quite easily. She did not refute the Democrat's claims, stating that "was not new as it was debated in parliament." As PTP have not claimed that the Democrats deceived parliament, then I take it that she accepts the veracity of those claims. QED.

[myfriendu]

the big joke still is why would you put the thailand in the hands of someone who is the sister of ts who has no experiance.

how can pt reds vote,and what or who are they voting for what a joke and a con but hey,this is thailand

[otherstuff1957]

Well, this is a real non-story. Of course Thaksin is talking to the smaller parties. I'm pretty sure that Sutep of Chuan or somebody from the Democrats are also talking to the smaller parties!

As for Thaksin doing it himself, rather than delegating it, well, I think that's just a sign of the times. He's shown again and again that he really doesn't trust anyone. After the election, Yingluck will probably be on the phone to Dubai for 4 or 5 hours a day, so that he can micromanage the country through his clone!

[geriatrickid]

So if Thaksin is talking with smaller parties, does that mean he's backing away from his repeated assurances that Pheu Thai Party would absolutely win in a landslide with a resulting pure majority in Parliament and not need any other party to form a coalition?

What's become of Chalerm's vow that they would have at least 300 MP's in Pheu Thai? or even Thaksin's claim of 270 MP's?

.

In fairness, i think Thaksin's stated position is that he thinks they will win a landslide, but even so, they will look for small parties, like those with one or two seats, to join with them. Reason being that from his past experience, he found it better to have these parties on board with you as then they can't create trouble and you can control them. Another good thing is that as they are so small, you really don't have to offer them too many concessions.

Agreed. Also allows the ruling party to say it reached out to others to show "unity" of the nation. Good window dressing for any party involved.

[lannarebirth]

So if Thaksin is talking with smaller parties, does that mean he's backing away from his repeated assurances that Pheu Thai Party would absolutely win in a landslide with a resulting pure majority in Parliament and not need any other party to form a coalition?

What's become of Chalerm's vow that they would have at least 300 MP's in Pheu Thai? or even Thaksin's claim of 270 MP's?

.

In fairness, i think Thaksin's stated position is that he thinks they will win a landslide, but even so, they will look for small parties, like those with one or two seats, to join with them. Reason being that from his past experience, he found it better to have these parties on board with you as then they can't create trouble and you can control them. Another good thing is that as they are so small, you really don't have to offer them too many concessions.

Agreed. Also allows the ruling party to say it reached out to others to show "unity" of the nation. Good window dressing for any party involved.

You understand that Thaksin is banned from politics, right? That any proven involvement will lead to his party's disbandment. If someone makes that case will you see that as an effevtive example of the rule of law or a judicial coup. Assuming PTP gets in of course.

[animatic]

"She downplayed the impact of the Democrat Party's political at Ratchaprasong Thursday evening, saying the information on the Red Shirt demonstrations and their clashes with security forces cited by the Democrat heavyweights on the stage was not new as it was debated in parliament."

Should I take this as an endorsement of it's veracity. After all, deceiving parliament is grounds for an MP's dismissal, at least where I come from.

Deceiving parliament ? Do you mind to explain how you came to this conclusion ?

If it is nothing new and was debated by parliament

and DECIDED on by Parliament then that becomes legal fact.

So it appears she now endorses the version stated at Ratchaprasomg,

because she did not disagree with it's truth

[animatic]

So if Thaksin is talking with smaller parties, does that mean he's backing away from his repeated assurances that Pheu Thai Party would absolutely win in a landslide with a resulting pure majority in Parliament and not need any other party to form a coalition?

What's become of Chalerm's vow that they would have at least 300 MP's in Pheu Thai? or even Thaksin's claim of 270 MP's?

.

In fairness, i think Thaksin's stated position is that he thinks they will win a landslide, but even so, they will look for small parties, like those with one or two seats, to join with them. Reason being that from his past experience, he found it better to have these parties on board with you as then they can't create trouble and you can control them. Another good thing is that as they are so small, you really don't have to offer them too many concessions.

Agreed. Also allows the ruling party to say it reached out to others to show "unity" of the nation. Good window dressing for any party involved.

Actually that could be applied to ANY PARTY doing ' political business with Thaksin"

Since he is legally banned from politics, they can not do politics with him.

Or did someone forget THAT half of the law?

You understand that Thaksin is banned from politics, right? That any proven involvement will lead to his party's disbandment. If someone makes that case will you see that as an effevtive example of the rule of law or a judicial coup. Assuming PTP gets in of course.

[hanuman1]

"She downplayed the impact of the Democrat Party's political at Ratchaprasong Thursday evening, saying the information on the Red Shirt demonstrations and their clashes with security forces cited by the Democrat heavyweights on the stage was not new as it was debated in parliament."

Should I take this as an endorsement of it's veracity. After all, deceiving parliament is grounds for an MP's dismissal, at least where I come from.

Deceiving parliament ? Do you mind to explain how you came to this conclusion ?

Quite easily. She did not refute the Democrat's claims, stating that "was not new as it was debated in parliament." As PTP have not claimed that the Democrats deceived parliament, then I take it that she accepts the veracity of those claims. QED.

QED does not mean 'if something didn't happen then the opposite did happen'. Your analysis contains a schoolboy error.

[OzMick]

"She downplayed the impact of the Democrat Party's political at Ratchaprasong Thursday evening, saying the information on the Red Shirt demonstrations and their clashes with security forces cited by the Democrat heavyweights on the stage was not new as it was debated in parliament."

Should I take this as an endorsement of it's veracity. After all, deceiving parliament is grounds for an MP's dismissal, at least where I come from.

Deceiving parliament ? Do you mind to explain how you came to this conclusion ?

Quite easily. She did not refute the Democrat's claims, stating that "was not new as it was debated in parliament." As PTP have not claimed that the Democrats deceived parliament, then I take it that she accepts the veracity of those claims. QED.

QED does not mean 'if something didn't happen then the opposite did happen'. Your analysis contains a schoolboy error.

quod erat demonstrandum - literally "what was to be demonstrated". The error is your own. The conclusion was quite logical when her reply was this has already been debated, and we did not refute it then. Yingluk is reluctant to say anything of substance since an off-the-cuff remark raised the rice subsidy by THB5,000, a slip that will cost the taxpayers around THB75 billion - with the proviso that PTP has any intention of keeping their campaign promises.

[rixalex]

with the proviso that PTP has any intention of keeping their campaign promises.

They'll keep one. Funnily enough, it's the one they now deny (well officially speaking anyway): act first and foremost in the interests of one man.

[JurgenG]

"She downplayed the impact of the Democrat Party's political at Ratchaprasong Thursday evening, saying the information on the Red Shirt demonstrations and their clashes with security forces cited by the Democrat heavyweights on the stage was not new as it was debated in parliament."

Should I take this as an endorsement of it's veracity. After all, deceiving parliament is grounds for an MP's dismissal, at least where I come from.

Deceiving parliament ? Do you mind to explain how you came to this conclusion ?

If it is nothing new and was debated by parliament

and DECIDED on by Parliament then that becomes legal fact.

So it appears she now endorses the version stated at Ratchaprasomg,

because she did not disagree with it's truth

Where did you read that "and DECIDED on by Parliament then that becomes legal fact." ?

English is not my mother tongue so I'm prepared to be corrected but so far what I understand is the allegation of the democrats have already been debated (debated, nothing more) and she has nothing to add.

You can alternatively read it : "It's total BS, we already talked about it, case closed"

Could the masters of the english language please help us here ?