Fugitive Thaksin Vows Not To Seek Revenge

[Bkkorupcountry]

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So I think the doomsayers are being paranoid about what will happen to Thailand should T come back into power. Life will go on as normal. There are enough checks and balances present in Thailand that will prevent any single one politician from getting away with too much. As a smart business man, Thaksin knows that and will therefore try to stay under the radar as much as possible.

One of the reasons for the September 2006 coup was the machinations of k. Thaksin to remove checks and balances to make good on his promise that TRT could rule for twenty years. None of k. Thaksin activities over the last few years have shown the 'under the radar' attitude you suggest k. Thaksin will have as 'smart' businessman.

You don't think he will learn from his "mistake"?

[virtualtraveller]

Sure, everyone is corrupt in third world countries, mainly because the demands for transparency and honesty (coming from the people) isn't tough enough, which is one of the reasons they remain third world.

What Thaksin believes, is 'I was very popular, two thirds approved of me, how can I possibly be wrong about anything', it comes out repeatedly in his earlier speeches as PM (see his biography), a sort of Lew Kwam Yew approach of 'hey, trust me and pipe down, the country is doing well and we're all getting rich'. In other words, I'm above the law by dint of popular vote.

Someone like this is unsuitable for any public office, ever, they completely miss the spirit of Democracy.

[Bkkorupcountry]

Sure, everyone is corrupt in third world countries, mainly because the demands for transparency and honesty (coming from the people) isn't tough enough, which is one of the reasons they remain third world.

What Thaksin believes, is 'I was very popular, two thirds approved of me, how can I possibly be wrong about anything', it comes out repeatedly in his earlier speeches as PM (see his biography), a sort of Lew Kwam Yew approach of 'hey, trust me and pipe down, the country is doing well and we're all getting rich'. In other words, I'm above the law by dint of popular vote.

Someone like this is unsuitable for any public office, ever, they completely miss the spirit of Democracy.

I presume you meant Lee Kuan Yew, Senior Minister of Singapore.

Look at Singapore today. Isn't this what the majority of posters here want for Thailand? Understand that democracy is a foreign concept to Asians and that the majority take more easily to dictatorial rule - it's a family/cultural thing. Strong dictators have been able to move the country forward - Singapore, Malaysia to a certain extent under MM. Bad dictators (Marcos, Suharto) regresses the country. Most here will jump on this and say that Thaksin is a bad dictator. Be it so, most Asian countries are not ready for true democracy, the sort practice in the West.

[otherstuff1957]

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<br />begin removed ...<br />So I think the doomsayers are being paranoid about what will happen to Thailand should T come back into power. Life will go on as normal. There are enough checks and balances present in Thailand that will prevent any single one politician from getting away with too much. As a smart business man, Thaksin knows that and will therefore try to stay under the radar as much as possible.<br />

<br /><br />One of the reasons for the September 2006 coup was the machinations of k. Thaksin to remove checks and balances to make good on his promise that TRT could rule for twenty years. None of k. Thaksin activities over the last few years have shown the 'under the radar' attitude you suggest k. Thaksin will have as 'smart' businessman.  <img src='http://static.thaivisa.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/dry.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='<_<' /><br />

<br /><br />You don't think he will learn from his "mistake"?<br />

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If Thaksin was willing to learn from mistakes, he would already be back in Thailand with the past forgiven and forgotten.

If Thaksin had just appealed his verdict and lived quietly like his wife Pojeman, the charges against him would have been quietly shelved (just as they have been with Pojeman, who, despite her conviction, will never spend a day behind bars.)

The other 110 banned politicians have quietly kept to themselves and will be back in Parliament after the next election. Thaksin could be in the same group, but his massive ego has prevented him from acting rationally. He is one of those people who cannot compromise, he has to win his way.

[Bkkorupcountry]

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<br />begin removed ...<br />So I think the doomsayers are being paranoid about what will happen to Thailand should T come back into power. Life will go on as normal. There are enough checks and balances present in Thailand that will prevent any single one politician from getting away with too much. As a smart business man, Thaksin knows that and will therefore try to stay under the radar as much as possible.<br />

<br /><br />One of the reasons for the September 2006 coup was the machinations of k. Thaksin to remove checks and balances to make good on his promise that TRT could rule for twenty years. None of k. Thaksin activities over the last few years have shown the 'under the radar' attitude you suggest k. Thaksin will have as 'smart' businessman. <img src='http://static.thaivisa.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/dry.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='<_<' /><br />

<br /><br />You don't think he will learn from his "mistake"?<br />

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If Thaksin was willing to learn from mistakes, he would already be back in Thailand with the past forgiven and forgotten.

If Thaksin had just appealed his verdict and lived quietly like his wife Pojeman, the charges against him would have been quietly shelved (just as they have been with Pojeman, who, despite her conviction, will never spend a day behind bars.)

The other 110 banned politicians have quietly kept to themselves and will be back in Parliament after the next election. Thaksin could be in the same group, but his massive ego has prevented him from acting rationally. He is one of those people who cannot compromise, he has to win his way.

That the difference between leaders and followers.

[ginjag]

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So I think the doomsayers are being paranoid about what will happen to Thailand should T come back into power. Life will go on as normal. There are enough checks and balances present in Thailand that will prevent any single one politician from getting away with too much. As a smart business man, Thaksin knows that and will therefore try to stay under the radar as much as possible.

One of the reasons for the September 2006 coup was the machinations of k. Thaksin to remove checks and balances to make good on his promise that TRT could rule for twenty years. None of k. Thaksin activities over the last few years have shown the 'under the radar' attitude you suggest k. Thaksin will have as 'smart' businessman.

You don't think he will learn from his "mistake"?

MISTAKE :lol::lol::lol: Shouldn't that be plural ???????....Revenge-why did he do wrong ???

Leopards do NOT change their spots. No business person employs a sticky fingered person, with the fingers in the till. Come on face reality you pro Thaksin do gooders.

[RogueExpat]

That the difference between leaders and followers.

The difference between megalomaniacs and moral human beings.

[Jingthing]

Giving up on Asean democracy, eh? How about Indonesia?

[Buchholz]

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So I think the doomsayers are being paranoid about what will happen to Thailand should T come back into power. Life will go on as normal. There are enough checks and balances present in Thailand that will prevent any single one politician from getting away with too much. As a smart business man, Thaksin knows that and will therefore try to stay under the radar as much as possible.

One of the reasons for the September 2006 coup was the machinations of k. Thaksin to remove checks and balances to make good on his promise that TRT could rule for twenty years. None of k. Thaksin activities over the last few years have shown the 'under the radar' attitude you suggest k. Thaksin will have as 'smart' businessman.

You don't think he will learn from his "mistake"?

Nothing in his words or deeds in the intervening time would lead anyone to believing that he did.

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[Bkkorupcountry]

You don't think he will learn from his "mistake"?

MISTAKE :lol::lol::lol: Shouldn't that be plural ???????....Revenge-why did he do wrong ???

Leopards do NOT change their spots. No business person employs a sticky fingered person, with the fingers in the till. Come on face reality you pro Thaksin do gooders.

Sigh. Reality is that PT is likely to win the election but then of course, who knows? It's amazing how the majority of anti-Thaksin supporters are completely single minded in their opposition to Thaksin, not willing to yield even an inch. Worse still, any sufferance (real or perceived) they faced is merely collateral as being a guest in this country. I shudder to think how they would react if there are instead Thais, with no where else to go. As it is, they have the option of returning, running back or crawling back to their native country.

That the difference between leaders and followers.

The difference between megalomaniacs and moral human beings.

Proves my above comment.

[Jingthing]

It's amazing how the majority of PRO-Thaksin supporters are completely single minded in their fanaticism for Thaksin, not willing to yield even an inch.

[Soutpeel]

Be it so, most Asian countries are not ready for true democracy, the sort practice in the West.

Very naive to think there is "true" democracy in the west either.. .... all politians are scum bags and only it it for themselves

But to the topic at hand IMHO if the esteemed gentleman ever got back in power in Thailand he would seeking "vengance" against everyone who has "crossed" him over the last few years.

For the Thaksin apologists on TV who are not Thai nationals...be careful what you wish for...seeing as a lot of countries refused him entry/pulled his visa while on the "run", which obviously resulted in loss of face for him, I could easy see him making life difficult for nationals of those countries who live in Thailand, ie changes in visa rules etc etc

[bartender100]

Wonder how he will treat the British, after we unceremoniously kicked him out, when he gets back (no longer an if).

[ginjag]

Bkkorupcountry #40

I would NEVER yield to corruption and steeling - and why should my stance change, personally he is an armhole but it is not about the man, can you understand It is what he did here ??? it is you that seems to not weigh up the for and against thing, if you chose to employ Thaksin or Abhisit on YOUR checkout who would you employ-????????--Do you understand now why I would favour the Dems.

It is here that counts and as I see it the reds will get in, that doesn't say it will be good, because of how it looks the Thai will shoot their self in the foot, Why don't you realise that the boss of the reds in a world poll re corruption he would be near the bottom of the list.

I am a visitor here all I do on forum is to say what I think is right or wrong. I am not a democrat, but what I have to say about the red mob looks much like it.

[Jingthing]

Fugitive Thaksin Vows Not To Seek Revenge?

That's right up there with -- I won't ... in your mouth.

[otherstuff1957]

<br />Sigh. Reality is that PT is likely to win the election but then of course, who knows? It's amazing how the majority of anti-Thaksin supporters are completely single minded in their opposition to Thaksin, not willing to yield even an inch. Worse still, any sufferance (real or perceived) they faced is merely collateral as being a guest in this country. I shudder to think how they would react if there are instead Thais, with no where else to go. As it is, they have the option of returning, running back or crawling back to their native country

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Why on Earth would we have to leave the country? Do you think that Thaksin will start hunting down people who are opposed to him?

[Jingthing]

<br />Sigh. Reality is that PT is likely to win the election but then of course, who knows? It's amazing how the majority of anti-Thaksin supporters are completely single minded in their opposition to Thaksin, not willing to yield even an inch. Worse still, any sufferance (real or perceived) they faced is merely collateral as being a guest in this country. I shudder to think how they would react if there are instead Thais, with no where else to go. As it is, they have the option of returning, running back or crawling back to their native country

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Why on Earth would we have to leave the country? Do you think that Thaksin will start hunting down people who are opposed to him?

Civil war. Chaos. Anarchy. Etc. Bad stuff happens when countries break apart over severe political divisions.

[koosdeboer]

<br />Sigh. Reality is that PT is likely to win the election but then of course, who knows? It's amazing how the majority of anti-Thaksin supporters are completely single minded in their opposition to Thaksin, not willing to yield even an inch. Worse still, any sufferance (real or perceived) they faced is merely collateral as being a guest in this country. I shudder to think how they would react if there are instead Thais, with no where else to go. As it is, they have the option of returning, running back or crawling back to their native country

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Why on Earth would we have to leave the country? Do you think that Thaksin will start hunting down people who are opposed to him?

Why did he name his first party Thai Rak Thai do you think?

[Ricardo]

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So I think the doomsayers are being paranoid about what will happen to Thailand should T come back into power. Life will go on as normal. There are enough checks and balances present in Thailand that will prevent any single one politician from getting away with too much. As a smart business man, Thaksin knows that and will therefore try to stay under the radar as much as possible.

One of the reasons for the September 2006 coup was the machinations of k. Thaksin to remove checks and balances to make good on his promise that TRT could rule for twenty years. None of k. Thaksin activities over the last few years have shown the 'under the radar' attitude you suggest k. Thaksin will have as 'smart' businessman.

You don't think he will learn from his "mistake"?

Thus far I can see little or no evidence, that he recognises having made any mistakes, so it is hard to see how he might have learned from them.

For example, his response to the problems of a super-coalition-party with an unassailable majority as TRT were, is to include a couple of very-small parties as coalition-members to give an illusion of democracy & reconciliation. He doesn't accept that a 20-year single-party government would itself be a problem in a democracy, he probably does see Singapore as the way forward, because "Democracy is not our Aim !".

Quoting from the Al-Jazeera interview, things like :-

- "I don't think I did anything wrong"

- ""Don't really seriously believe that I am wrong"

- "I'm not running away"

- "The government took away my money", when it was the courts, not the government

This after almost 5 years, he clearly hasn't learned anything, so why risk the future of the whole country, just for one person/family ? It's the country & the poor that matter, not Thaksin's return or continued self-exile, IMO.

[cardholder]

I hope this arrogant b4stard is never allowed back in the country - except to serve his prison sentence.

[noahvail]

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So I think the doomsayers are being paranoid about what will happen to Thailand should T come back into power. Life will go on as normal. There are enough checks and balances present in Thailand that will prevent any single one politician from getting away with too much. As a smart business man, Thaksin knows that and will therefore try to stay under the radar as much as possible.

One of the reasons for the September 2006 coup was the machinations of k. Thaksin to remove checks and balances to make good on his promise that TRT could rule for twenty years. None of k. Thaksin activities over the last few years have shown the 'under the radar' attitude you suggest k. Thaksin will have as 'smart' businessman.

You don't think he will learn from his "mistake"?

Thus far I can see little or no evidence, that he recognises having made any mistakes, so it is hard to see how he might have learned from them.

For example, his response to the problems of a super-coalition-party with an unassailable majority as TRT were, is to include a couple of very-small parties as coalition-members to give an illusion of democracy & reconciliation. He doesn't accept that a 20-year single-party government would itself be a problem in a democracy, he probably does see Singapore as the way forward, because "Democracy is not our Aim !".

Quoting from the Al-Jazeera interview, things like :-

- "I don't think I did anything wrong"

- ""Don't really seriously believe that I am wrong"

- "I'm not running away"

- "The government took away my money", when it was the courts, not the government

This after almost 5 years, he clearly hasn't learned anything, so why risk the future of the whole country, just for one person/family ? It's the country & the poor that matter, not Thaksin's return or continued self-exile, IMO.

I've seen three interviews with Thaksin where he has used the phrase, "not revenge, but....to resolve." Interesting line...wonder if he got it from Robert Amsterdam? But what scared me each time hearing this, was the immediate thought that he's not saying "to reconcile" but "to resolve." In the same manner he resolved the drug problem?

[rubl]

Sigh. Reality is that PT is likely to win the election but then of course, who knows? It's amazing how the majority of anti-Thaksin supporters are completely single minded in their opposition to Thaksin, not willing to yield even an inch. Worse still, any sufferance (real or perceived) they faced is merely collateral as being a guest in this country. I shudder to think how they would react if there are instead Thais, with no where else to go. As it is, they have the option of returning, running back or crawling back to their native country.

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The PTP may become the single largest party, may be able to form a majority coalition. That's when the fun will start. Will the PTP led government govern, or stick to the number one goal 'bring k. Thaksin back'. The Thaksin proxy governments under the late k. Samak and k. Somchai didn't do much more than trying that and failing, in the mean time ignoring the economical problems starting to show because of the global financial crisis.

In the last three years k. Thaksin has given interviews, twitters, video link-ins and managed to contradict himself frequently. Why anyone still believes this man has only the good of the country before his eyes is a mystery to me.

The last part of the post lacks some logic I think, or it's just me not understanding. Let's just say I shudder to think of the violence which may erupt if PTP immediately starts to work on an amnesty (which is not their priority as stated by them), or if PTP fails to form a majority coalition (we'll call on all to respect the election results). Poor Thailand

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[katana]

Wonder how he will treat the British, after we unceremoniously kicked him out, when he gets back (no longer an if).

Yingluck met the British ambassador to Thailand, Asif Ahmad, last Wednesday (22/06/11), along with other European ambassadors, for talks and to wish her a belated 44th Happy Birthday (21/06/11).

He also noted she shares a birthday with Prince William.

Maybe there's hope for the Brits yet.

Asif Ahmad meeting Yingluck last Wednesday.

http://www.thairath.co.th/today/view/181119

[metisdead]

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[rubl]

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So I think the doomsayers are being paranoid about what will happen to Thailand should T come back into power. Life will go on as normal. There are enough checks and balances present in Thailand that will prevent any single one politician from getting away with too much. As a smart business man, Thaksin knows that and will therefore try to stay under the radar as much as possible.

One of the reasons for the September 2006 coup was the machinations of k. Thaksin to remove checks and balances to make good on his promise that TRT could rule for twenty years. None of k. Thaksin activities over the last few years have shown the 'under the radar' attitude you suggest k. Thaksin will have as 'smart' businessman.

You don't think he will learn from his "mistake"?

What k. Thaksin could have learned, but didn't, was phrased brilliantly by the former governor of Illinois Rod R. Blagojevichof, USA, when a jury on Monday convicted him on a broad pattern of corruption, including charges that he tried to personally benefit. It seems departing the courthouse he said 'among the many lessons that I’ve learned from this whole experience is to try to speak a little bit less.' Interestingly he didn't mention speaking truthfully

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[Bkkorupcountry]

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So I think the doomsayers are being paranoid about what will happen to Thailand should T come back into power. Life will go on as normal. There are enough checks and balances present in Thailand that will prevent any single one politician from getting away with too much. As a smart business man, Thaksin knows that and will therefore try to stay under the radar as much as possible.

One of the reasons for the September 2006 coup was the machinations of k. Thaksin to remove checks and balances to make good on his promise that TRT could rule for twenty years. None of k. Thaksin activities over the last few years have shown the 'under the radar' attitude you suggest k. Thaksin will have as 'smart' businessman.

You don't think he will learn from his "mistake"?

What k. Thaksin could have learned, but didn't, was phrased brilliantly by the former governor of Illinois Rod R. Blagojevichof, USA, when a jury on Monday convicted him on a broad pattern of corruption, including charges that he tried to personally benefit. It seems departing the courthouse he said 'among the many lessons that I’ve learned from this whole experience is to try to speak a little bit less.' Interestingly he didn't mention speaking truthfully

Seems like you are the only one who understands irony.