What Visa After Marriage?

[swisstouristpattaya]

after a EU citizen got married in thailand with a THAI lady, what kind of visa he can ask if falang is 40 yo and don't intend to work in Thailand.

can he stay in thailand with his tourist visa, and extend it indefinitely? or should he ask for a marriage visa and show the 400'000 baths on a thai bank account for the last 2 months....having 400'000 on a thai bank account is not a problem view the Swiss change near 39.

is it not easier and simpler to stay as a tourist?, and ask for a new tourist visa every 6 months?

[bkkjames]

Get an O visa. (Marriage Visa)

BTW : "O" stands for Oh my God, I can't believe I bought a house in her name.

[swisstouristpattaya]

Get an O visa. (Marriage Visa)

BTW : "O" stands for Oh my God, I can't believe I bought a house in her name.

thank you,

no, I will not buy any house in thailand, just rent.

I know about the horror stories with people getting divorce or lost everything...,guys pushed from balcony...

this visa thing is just to make life easier, not more complicated.Apparently governments push people to get married.

[lopburi3]

1. The stay on a tourist visa is 60 days and you would then have to leave or extend 30 or 60 days so not a long term solution or what is normal for marriage. You can not obtain a tourist visa inside Thailand.

2. A non immigrant O (O stands for Other[reasons]) is what marriage allows. But these only allow a 90 day stay.

3. Extension of stay for Thai Wife from Immigration requires a non immigrant visa entry (either O from a Consulate or a conversion from Immigration for 2,000 baht first) and this then allows a one year stay and can be extended each year for another such stay with the same paperwork required each time. This is the normal procedure for those married.

[bkkjames]

Get an O visa. (Marriage Visa)

BTW : "O" stands for Oh my God, I can't believe I bought a house in her name.

Apparently governments push people to get married.

I know how you mean, originally I thought I loved my wife but really it was this government thing pushing me to marry her.

When I proposed it went like this "Honey, the government says if you marry me I can stay in Thailand with you." No flowers required.

Needless to say that went down worse then flashing 1000 baht at a watering hole on Patpong soi 2.

For the Non - o, you can get it there assuming you have all the documents in order - including photos of your ceremony in Thailand. I am sure the TV forum visa experts can you give you the exact requirements soon.

[PoorSucker]

From Police order 777/2551

2.18 In the case of a family member of a Thai(applicable only to parents, spouse, child, adopted child or child of his/her spouse):

Permission will be granted for a period of not more than 1 year at a time.

(1) The alien has obtained a temporary visa (NON-IM)

(2) Proof of family relationship

(3) In the case of a spouse, the marital relationship shall be dejure (legitimate) and de facto;

(4) In the case of a child, adopted child or child of his/her spouse, the said person must not be married, must be living with the family, and must be less than 20 years of age; or

(5) In the case of a parent, one of parents must have an average annual income of not less than 40,000 baht per month or a money deposit of not less than 400,000 baht for expenses within a year.

(6) In case of marriage with a Thai lady, the husband who is an alien must have an average annual income of not less than 40,000 baht per month or a money deposit in a local Thai bank of not less than 400,000 baht for the past 2 months for expenses within a year.

To season the money in bank you can use rule 2.24.

2.24 In the case of an alien visiting a Thai spouse or child:

Permission will be granted for a period of not more than 60 days at a time.

(1) Proof of relationship.

(2) In the case of a spouse, their marital relationship shall be de jure (legitimate) and de facto.

[lopburi3]

For the Non - o, you can get it there assuming you have all the documents in order - including photos of your ceremony in Thailand.

You can not obtain a non immigrant O visa inside Thailand. They are issued by Consulates and only allow a 90 day stay (even if multi entry valid for a year of such entries). You can obtain a conversion of entry from tourist to non immigrant in the one year extension of stay process only. All documents with photos will be the extension of stay for one year process.

[bkkjames]

For the Non - o, you can get it there assuming you have all the documents in order - including photos of your ceremony in Thailand.

You can not obtain a non immigrant O visa inside Thailand. They are issued by Consulates and only allow a 90 day stay (even if multi entry valid for a year of such entries). You can obtain a conversion of entry from tourist to non immigrant in the one year extension of stay process only. All documents with photos will be the extension of stay for one year process.

Wow, that's why I said the experts (you ) would be along with the correct info. Funny enough a few year's back I got a non-o marriage visa in Dubai - multiple entry, one year.

[swisstouristpattaya]

so O visa workd like this:

get O visa at Thai embassy, passport, picture, marriage certificate, 1900 baths. and they grant me 90 days and go to thailand.

3-4 days before the expiration date in my passport, I go to thai immigration, ask for 1 year extension, take the wife with me to show to custom officers how beautiful she is?

show I have 400'000 baths on a thai bank account for at least 2 months to support myself (she is working).

it means after 1 month from my arrival in thailand, I must wire transfer money?.

and then I can stay 1 year without leaving l thailand, if I decide to leave Thailand, i must ask for a reentry permit at the local immigration office?if not I lose the O visa and must reapply for a new 90 days O visa .

am I correct.???

[beano2274]

so O visa workd like this:

get O visa at Thai embassy, passport, picture, marriage certificate, 1900 baths. and they grant me 90 days and go to thailand.

3-4 days before the expiration date in my passport, I go to thai immigration, ask for 1 year extension, take the wife with me to show to custom officers how beautiful she is?

show I have 400'000 baths on a thai bank account for at least 2 months to support myself (she is working).

it means after 1 month from my arrival in thailand, I must wire tranfer money?.

and then I can stay 1 year without leaving l thailand, if i decide to leave thailand, i go ask for a reentry permit at immigration office?if not i lose the O visa and must reapply.

am I correct.???

You go to immigration with a stack full of paper including Marriage Certificate and also copy of the entry into the registrars book.

If you leave Thailand you need a re-entry permit, as you have correctly stated, althougth I thought you were going to the USA with your green card.

[PoorSucker]

Paperwork for extension of stay based on marriage.

1. Application form T.M. 7 with one photograph size 4x6 cm. and Visa Fee 1900.-Baht

2. Copy Marriage Certificate

3. Copy Kor Ror 2 from amphur office (not older than six months)

4. Child's birth certificate (if any)

5. Copy wife’s house registration

6. Copy wife’s identity card

7. Copy passport, non-Im visa, arrival card.

8. Interview the husband and wife for confirming status of husband and wife

9. Map to residency

10. Picture of house and family, in house and outside showing house number.

With money in bank option.

1. Letter from bank same day or day before stating bank records, make a transaction just before to get it up to date.

2. Bank account must be in Husbands name, joint accounts will not qualify.

With Income in Thailand option

1. A copy of work permit

2. Personal Corporation income Tax (PND.1) in latest 3 months and personal income tax for previous year with receipt

With Income from abroad.

1. Embassy letter stating your income.

All of the above in two copies, if not in BKK

[beano2274]

See above for the list of requirements within Thailand.

Number 8 is done at the Immigration office when you go there.

And take your WIFE.

[lopburi3]

You say the 400k is no problem so you can do a change of entry status without leaving Thailand if you wish - proof of 400k/marriage proof/wife and 2,000 baht gets a 90 day entry stamp and with less then 30 days remaining you do the actual extension of stay. If you want to go to a Consulate to obtain a single entry non immigrant O visa take marriage certificate/copy of wife ID and home register. Return for a 90 day entry and two or three weeks before it expires visit immigration with wife and money proof of in account for 2 months with the normal paperwork for the extension of stay.

[ljerams]

Correction:- In 12 years of extensions I have never been interviewed; the Officer always talks to your wife.

Personally, I think if you are both nicely dressed and polite, the application will go smoothly. Only last year did we get an awkward female who changed her attitude very quickly once she realized she was talking to a Doctor. Last month her desk was occupied by a new Officer

[TheThe]

Paperwork for extension of stay based on marriage.

1. Application form T.M. 7 with one photograph size 4x6 cm. and Visa Fee 1900.-Baht

2. Copy Marriage Certificate

3. Copy Kor Ror 2 from amphur office (not older than six months)

4. Child's birth certificate (if any)

5. Copy wife's house registration

6. Copy wife's identity card

7. Copy passport, non-Im visa, arrival card.

8. Interview the husband and wife for confirming status of husband and wife

9. Map to residency

10. Picture of house and family, in house and outside showing house number.

With money in bank option.

1. Letter from bank same day or day before stating bank records, make a transaction just before to get it up to date.

2. Bank account must be in Husbands name, joint accounts will not qualify.

With Income in Thailand option

1. A copy of work permit

2. Personal Corporation income Tax (PND.1) in latest 3 months and personal income tax for previous year with receipt

With Income from abroad.

1. Embassy letter stating your income.

All of the above in two copies, if not in BKK

Poorsucker,

With reference to your second point:

With Income in Thailand option

1. A copy of work permit

2. Personal Corporation income Tax (PND.1) in latest 3 months and personal income tax for previous year with receipt

Is (1. A copy of work permit) required if the monthly income is provided by the wifes' business?

Thanks Andre

[lopburi3]

Only the applicants money is considered for extensions of stay; be it income or bank account.

[Lite Beer]

Poorsucker,

With reference to your second point:

With Income in Thailand option

1. A copy of work permit

2. Personal Corporation income Tax (PND.1) in latest 3 months and personal income tax for previous year with receipt

Is (1. A copy of work permit) required if the monthly income is provided by the wifes' business?

Thanks Andre

You will not get an extension based on income from your Wife's business. It has to be your income.

[swisstouristpattaya]

the good thing they dont ask for share account, because ladies have tendency to empty it...

althougth I thought you were going to the USA with your green card.

in case I am inadmissible for a US immigrant visa or USA go to war with china when USA will go out of business and will not accept to give Louisiana to chines gov.

I am planing ahead what can I do with my lady.go US?, Thailand?, Europe?...or stay like I am with my toursit visas.

[dragons70]

For the Non - o, you can get it there assuming you have all the documents in order - including photos of your ceremony in Thailand.

You can not obtain a non immigrant O visa inside Thailand. They are issued by Consulates and only allow a 90 day stay (even if multi entry valid for a year of such entries). You can obtain a conversion of entry from tourist to non immigrant in the one year extension of stay process only. All documents with photos will be the extension of stay for one year process.

Lopburi3 - I find your posts very helpful, can I confirm something - I am already married to a Thai and living here in Bkk. I have a 1 year study visa expiring in 2 weeks. I have a trip

back to Australia and then returning on a 30 day visa to sort my marriage visa. You say above that you can do a conversion of entry during the one year extension process only. Does this mean I can go directly to immigration within the first 15 days of my return from Australia and get a 1 year marriage visa, without having to first

apply for a non-immigrant O outside of Thailand?

Thanks for the assistance - J

[Mario2008]

Since you are going back to Australia, I would recommend you aply for a non-O visa based on your marriage there. Showing your wedding certificate should be enough, a copy of your wife's ID card and a small note from here asking for a visa for you would be nice.

If you travel back to Thailand without a visa, the airline can deny you boarding.

Immigration in Thailand cannot give you a visa, they can give you an extension of stay if you meet the criteria mentioned in post 6. If you don't have the correct visa, they can convert to a non-immigrant. But as said, if you travel to Thailand without a visa the airline might refuse you boarding. So easier to just get a non-O visa in Australia.

[dragons70]

Since you are going back to Australia, I would recommend you aply for a non-O visa based on your marriage there. Showing your wedding certificate should be enough, a copy of your wife's ID card and a small note from here asking for a visa for you would be nice.

If you travel back to Thailand without a visa, the airline can deny you boarding.

Immigration in Thailand cannot give you a visa, they can give you an extension of stay if you meet the criteria mentioned in post 6. If you don't have the correct visa, they can convert to a non-immigrant. But as said, if you travel to Thailand without a visa the airline might refuse you boarding. So easier to just get a non-O visa in Australia.

Thanks for the info Mario, but Im not sure what you mean about the airline refusing me entry? Australians like many other nationalities dont require a visa for Thailand before travelling here and get 30 days on entry at airport. In all the times I have flown to Thailand from Australia I have only once obtained a visa before travelling, this for a study visa. From what most are saying here, it appears as though I can come in on my 30 day stay, convert to a 90 day based on marriage at Immigration and then extend this to 1 year with about 2 weeks remaining on it? My time in Oz is limited to if I can avoid having to get a non Imm O when back there it would be preferred.

Thanks for feedback - J

[Lite Beer]

Without a Visa or an onward ticket within 30 days the airline can and sometimes does reuse entry to the flight.

[dragons70]

Ok well I take the advice of those who know more about these issues than I, although I have never heard of this happening....

I agree the safest bet may be to get Non immigrant O in Sydney based on marriage and then extend on arrival back to Thailand...

However, I may first try Lopburi3's suggestion that I may be able to convert to marriage 90 day viss without leaving Thailand. Will report back here if

succeed with that one...

Thanks for the help - J

[swisstouristpattaya]

what you mean about the airline refusing me entry

this is the law, usually an airline who transport a passenger and is denied entrance in a foreign country, the airline must bring back his/her passenger to his/her origin.Charge may apply.

it means you take back the plane after waiting in transit, and back to your country because an immigration officer says you are inadmissible.

Some airline check if you have a visa if you dont have a return ticket.

get a visa!

[Sophon]

Australians like many other nationalities dont require a visa for Thailand before travelling here and get 30 days on entry at airport.

That is only true for stays of 30 days or less. For stays of over 30 days Australians do need a visa.

This is what the check in clerk will see in the IATA database:

National Australia (AU) /Destination Thailand (TH)

Thailand (TH)

Passport required.

- Nationals of Australia can enter with passports and/or

passport replacing documents valid for the period of

intended stay.

Visa required, except for A touristic stay of max. 30 days:

Visa required, except for A max stay of 90 days, to holders of

APEC Business Travel Cards (ABTC), which states that it is

valid for travel to Thailand on the reverse of the card and:

- if being a national of an APEC member state, holding an

ABTC together with a national passport;

Additional Information:

- Visitors who are visa exempt are required to hold documents

for their next destination.

- Visitors over 12 years of age are required to hold

sufficient funds to cover their stay (at least THB 10,000.-

per person or THB 20,000.- per family).

For details, click here

- For those who do not require a visaFor details, click here

Warning:

- Visitors who are visa exempt but do not hold return/onward

tickets could be refused entry.

The highlighting in bold is mine.

If you are refused entry by immigration in Thailand the airline will be fined and have to cover the cost of returning you to Astralia, as it is the airlines responsibility to make sure that you qualify for entry at your destinaion. That's why there is a real risk of being denied bording if you do not have a visa or an airline ticket out of Thailand within 30 days.

Sophon