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London riots spread south of Thames

Violence, vandalism and looting spreads beyond Tottenham and Enfield to reach Brixton, leaving 35 police injured

What police are calling "copycat criminal activity" – some of it apparently part of an orchestrated plan – has so far resulted in 100 arrests.

Sunday night's rioting followed disturbances on Saturday night in Tottenham, which came after the fatal shooting by police of Mark Duggan, 29, on Thursday.

In a statement on Monday morning, the Metropolitan police said they were shocked at the levels of "disgraceful violence" that had left 35 officers injured.

"Officers responding to sporadic disorder in a number of boroughs made more than 100 arrests throughout last night and early this morning.

"This is in addition to the 61 arrests made on Saturday night and Sunday morning … Officers are shocked at the outrageous level of violence directed against them. At least nine officers were injured overnight in addition to the 26 injured on Saturday night.

"We will not tolerate this disgraceful violence. The investigation continues to bring these criminals to justice."

Shops in Enfield Town and the A10 retail park were vandalised and looted, and there were reports of two vehicles being set on fire.

Mounted police were seen chasing groups of masked youths, some carrying sticks, away from stores, while lines of riot police readied themselves for trouble.

At 9.30pm on Sunday Met police and reinforcements from Kent began turning the whole of Enfield into a "sterile area". Hundreds of riot police arrived with vans and police dogs, charging at groups of teenagers who melted into sidestreets, smashing cars and shop windows as they ran.

Some teenagers knew exactly where they were heading, saying the plan was to go to Ponders End. A large crowd of youths then sprinted west, attacking a retail park and shops. Among them was a closed Tesco Extra store. Workers inside described hearing windows smashing as dozens of youths poured into the store. "They left carrying TVs, alcohol – they were stuffing trolleys," said one supermarket worker.

Unlike the previous night's disturbances, this time riot police were on the scene in large numbers. Their stance was also more aggressive, with baton charges and dogs used to disperse crowds.

Three officers were taken to hospital after being hit by a fast-moving vehicle at 12.45am, a Metropolitan police spokesman said, while a fight broke out when rival gangs went to King's College Hospital in Denmark Hill, south London, after two victims of minor stabbings were admitted. The hospital brought in extra security for the rest of the night and officers remained on scene dealing with the initial stabbings.

Six fire engines were dispatched to deal with a blaze at a Foot Locker shop in Brixton, south London, and witnesses saw riot police clash with looters at a Currys store nearby.

The looting across London was carried out by "small and mobile" groups, the spokesman said.

As violence spread, abpit 50 youths gathered in Oxford Circus, central London, and damaged property.

Elsewhere, more than 30 youths, many in masks, vandalised and looted shops in Walthamstow Central, including BHS.

Meanwhile, Duggan's family said they "are not condoning" the riots and looting that had rocked their local area.

Duggan's brother Shaun Hall told Sky News: "It seems to be the press who are generally saying that it is linked to my brother. OK, some questions were supposed to have been answered, they weren't answered, therefore there was a domino effect from that, we don't condone that at all.

"I know people are frustrated, they're angry out there at the moment, but I would say please try and hold it down. Please don't make this about my brother's life, he was a good man."

Hall said the family was "devastated" by Mark Duggan's death and dismissed as "utter rubbish" the allegation that he had shot at police.

The Guardian has reported that initial tests suggest a bullet found lodged in a police radio after Duggan's death was police issue. The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC), which has launched an inquiry into the shooting, said it would not comment on this until all ballistics and forensic tests were complete.

A major investigation codenamed Operation Withern has been launched followed the unrest in Tottenham.

Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/08/london-riots-spread-second-night

-- guardian.co.uk 2011-08-08

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The more cuts. The more the economy goes down. The more riots. It is just a matter of what sets them off. There'll be some organized looting and some opportunist stuff and anger. And few believe the police story when people get shot even if the media try to paint it a certain way. Oh and if its the Murdoch neo-nazi media nobody believes that any more

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The more cuts. The more the economy goes down. The more riots. It is just a matter of what sets them off. There'll be some organized looting and some opportunist stuff and anger. And few believe the police story when people get shot even if the media try to paint it a certain way. Oh and if its the Murdoch neo-nazi media nobody believes that any more

There are those in any country that will come out of the woodwork to loot and cause damage just given the chance. Just like UK football stadium rioting, but the police with there cameras have cleaned that up.

Some ''groups'' just love a good loot, a free TV or laptop. Scum are in every society and to defend a guy that walks the streets on a daily basis with a gun in his pocket and uses it, well, think you can imagine the crap humans who would defend such a lowlife.

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The more cuts. The more the economy goes down. The more riots. It is just a matter of what sets them off. There'll be some organized looting and some opportunist stuff and anger. And few believe the police story when people get shot even if the media try to paint it a certain way. Oh and if its the Murdoch neo-nazi media nobody believes that any more

"It is just a matter of what sets them off", you say. A notorious gangster shoots at police. A police officer shoots back and kills the the gangster. Some days later a group of people hold a peaceful demonstration in front of the police station to protest against the shooting of the gangster. Hundreds of yobs unconnected to the killed gangster organise, via Twitter and other social media, a looting and burning spree.

Are you saying that you condone these criminal acts, that you would have joined the looting?

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Just listening to a reporter in Clapham saying she has been watching shops in Clapham being looted for over 2 hours and no sign of police. Croydon is on fire. Its spread to Birmingham. ( The rioting not the fire) Great news for the Olympics.

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Funny how most riots happen in July or August. :rolleyes:

These are not riots. If they are declared to be riots then the police (ultimately the tax payer via the government) becomes responsible for the payouts . As long as they are just "civil disturbances" then its the insurance companies that pay out. And that incidentally is the reason why we have not seen water cannon etc deployed to date.

Update, Now happening in Camden, Hearing army vehicles now moving into Regents Park Barracks, not surprising, police now hopelessly outnumbered...

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The more cuts. The more the economy goes down. The more riots. It is just a matter of what sets them off. There'll be some organized looting and some opportunist stuff and anger. And few believe the police story when people get

shot even if the media try to paint it a certain way. Oh and if its the Murdoch neo-nazi media nobody believes that any

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"It is just a matter of what sets them off", you say. A notorious gangster shoots at police. A police officer shoots back and kills the the gangster. Some days later a group of

people hold a peaceful demonstration in front of the police

station to protest against the shooting of the gangster.

Hundreds of yobs unconnected to the killed gangster

organise, via Twitter and other social media, a looting and

burning spree.

Are you saying that you condone these criminal acts, that you would have joined the looting?

Not condoning the criminal acts!!!!

The guy shot was not a known gangster, didn't even have a criminal record. If you read the last paragraph of the story it mentions the bullet was police issue.

Something stinks!

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Ah, Happy multi-cultural UK, no jobs, crumbling infrastructure, but most important of all a total erosion of morals and a sense of being part of something. At least during the blitz everyone pulled together instead of taking advantage of the turmoil to go looting.

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People will pull together if there is a common enemy. There is no common enemy. Riots like this are due to a breakdown in the social order; there is not reason, only an excuse.

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When I turned on CNN this morning to see the latest on the UK riots, none other than Dan Rivers was reporting. Seemed real nervous and didn't like the fact that the police were not moving in to crush the rioters. What a difference a little over a year makes.

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People will pull together if there is a common enemy. There is no common enemy. Riots like this are due to a breakdown in the social order; there is not reason, only an excuse.

I left the UK a few weeks back (thank god).

The common enemy in the UK has become the police, maybe the government, but mainly the police.

The UK police have become violent, aggressive and unaccountable to anybody.

They are the common enemy.

This will only get worse.

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People will pull together if there is a common enemy. There is no common enemy. Riots like this are due to a breakdown in the social order; there is not reason, only an excuse.

I left the UK a few weeks back (thank god).

The common enemy in the UK has become the police, maybe the government, but mainly the police.

The UK police have become violent, aggressive and unaccountable to anybody.

They are the common enemy.

This will only get worse.

welcome to thailand if thats where you are.

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What's the betting that after the fires are put out, and the cost of the looting and arson is totted up, that there will be calls for legislation to ban the manufacture, sale and wearing of Hooded garments? The "Hoodies" have for years ruled the streets in some parts of every large city in the UK for years now.

The looting of mobile phone shops, electronics stores, off licences and betting shops is merely a symptom of the simmering rage against the Police and the "Haves" by the "Have Not's" in UK society today. Most of the trouble has occurred in areas which have large ethnic populations, where young people have no real job prospect and are unlikely ever to have more than a giro to spend. The budget cuts, and the polarisation of society may be the given excuse, but casual criminality and violent disregard of the law is the result of the marginalisation of huge sections of the nation's youth.

If the Police are unable to restore order, and they're very overstretched already, the army will be ordered in to prevent further civil disorder. The politicians will have a field day playing the blame game, but in truth the country is just reaping the harvest of policies of neglect that were sown in the latter half of the last century.

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In a situation like this, I value live fire. A few broadsides and the looters will go back to their council flats to await their next welfare cheque. It is at times like this England misses Baroness Thatcher. She never would have allowed these criminals to run roughshod. A few dead bodies will send a proper message. Shoot the looters dead.

There are millions starving in Somalia and calls are made for the western governments to give generously. Perhaps someone should advise the looters that the cost of damages rendered means there will be less funds available to help the starving in Africa. They are indirectly allowing Africans to starve to death.

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We used to joke: Red sky at night, Tottenham's alight. Now it's not so funny.

The titans of Broadwater Farm — Barmy Bernie Grant, Dolly Kiffin et al — have either died or are but a distant memory.

All bar one, that is.

Right on cue Red Ken popped up to blame the weekend's riots on Tory spending 'cuts'.

There speaks the true voice of a man forever stuck in 1985.

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In a situation like this, I value live fire. A few broadsides and the looters will go back to their council flats to await their next welfare cheque. It is at times like this England misses Baroness Thatcher. She never would have allowed these criminals to run roughshod. A few dead bodies will send a proper message. Shoot the looters dead.

There are millions starving in Somalia and calls are made for the western governments to give generously. Perhaps someone should advise the looters that the cost of damages rendered means there will be less funds available to help the starving in Africa. They are indirectly allowing Africans to starve to death.

Shoot 'em dead eh? What hypocrisy, considering your attitude to government action on the red shirt protests. It's pathetic.

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In a situation like this, I value live fire. A few broadsides and the looters will go back to their council flats to await their next welfare cheque. It is at times like this England misses Baroness Thatcher. She never would have allowed these criminals to run roughshod. A few dead bodies will send a proper message. Shoot the looters dead.

There are millions starving in Somalia and calls are made for the western governments to give generously. Perhaps someone should advise the looters that the cost of damages rendered means there will be less funds available to help the starving in Africa. They are indirectly allowing Africans to starve to death.

Usual trollish hate filled rhetoric from the usual people who dont believe in demcoracy or human rights.

Developed democracies tend to look at the causes of things and deal with those issues. If they dont, they tend to face breakdown of social cohesion that even the most authoritarian police and armies cannot control

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It is worth noting that young, predominantly black, men are shot dead in turf wars every week across London without it turning into an excuse for setting fire to Carpetright and robbing Foot Locker.

The usual suspects have been bleating about police brutality and 'racism' being the prime causes of the unrest.

But if there is racism in Tottenham, it's not white on black. The racial tensions involve hostility between Jamaicans, Nigerians, Cypriots, Albanians, Kurds and a host of Eastern European newcomers.

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What's the betting that after the fires are put out, and the cost of the looting and arson is totted up, that there will be calls for legislation to ban the manufacture, sale and wearing of Hooded garments? The "Hoodies" have for years ruled the streets in some parts of every large city in the UK for years now.

The looting of mobile phone shops, electronics stores, off licences and betting shops is merely a symptom of the simmering rage against the Police and the "Haves" by the "Have Not's" in UK society today. Most of the trouble has occurred in areas which have large ethnic populations, where young people have no real job prospect and are unlikely ever to have more than a giro to spend. The budget cuts, and the polarisation of society may be the given excuse, but casual criminality and violent disregard of the law is the result of the marginalisation of huge sections of the nation's youth.

If the Police are unable to restore order, and they're very overstretched already, the army will be ordered in to prevent further civil disorder. The politicians will have a field day playing the blame game, but in truth the country is just reaping the harvest of policies of neglect that were sown in the latter half of the last century.

There is no doubt in my mind that the current recession/depression will end with martial law in some western Countries. The grand socialist experiment of big government controlling everything has failed and now we have not only indigenous underclasses to deal with but also large immigrant populations who hate the culture that prints their benefit cheques. We do indeed need a Margaret Thatcher, or even a Winston Churchill to sort this mess out.

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(My.space.key.has.died.on.my.keyboard)

So.just.ignore.the.dots.

Here.is.a.chourus.from.a.song.I.remember.from.my.1960's.protester.days.

It.goes.like.this.

Old.man.sitting.by.the.side.of.the.road,

with.the.lorrys.passing.by

Dead.moon.hanging.from.the.weight.of.the.load

And.the.buildings.scrape.the.sky

Old.man.walking.by.the.side.of.the.road

Can.you.hear.the.cold.wind.moan?

Dead.man.lieing.by.the.side.of.the.road

If.you're.walking.home.alone.

(Chorus)

Don't.let.it.get.you.down,it's.only.castles.burning

Find.someone.who's.turning,and.you.will.come.around

Don't.let.it.get.you.down,it's.only.castles,burning

Just.find.someone.who's.turning,and.you.will.come.around.

Or.as.Bob.Dylan.said:

"You.don't.need.to.be.a.Weatherman,to.see.the.way.the.wind.is.blowing"

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