Red-Shirts Defend Appointments Of Key Leaders As Political Officers

[webfact]

Govt defending reds appointments

By The Nation

The red shirts are well qualified to hold office and Pheu Thai Party has won the mandate to rule, hence it could not dispense positions to the opposition Democrats, deputy government spokesman Anusorn Eiamsa-ard said on Tuesday.

"As Pheu Thai is the government, it is not feasible to appoint office holders from other parties and the Democrats," he said.

Anusorn, former master of ceremony on the red rally stage known as DJ Red, said the government filled vacant positions with qualified office holders.

Aree Krainara was the head guard of the red shirts and also a former ministerial adviser before his appointment as secretary general to Interior Minister Yongyuth Wichaidit, he said.

Chinnawat Habunphad was a former chairman of a taxi drivers association before involving in the red-shirt movement, therefore his background was suitable for the advisory position in the Transport Ministry, he said.

Phetchawat Wattanapongsirikul was a former associate judge for labour dispute before joining the red shirts in Chiang Mai. He is qualified as an adviser at the Social Development and Human Security Ministry.

Red shirt leader Yoswaris Chuklom received a Master's Degree from the National Institute for Development Administration and joined the past four election races. He has the education and experience to work as secretary to Deputy Interior Minister Thanis Thienthong.

The deputy government spokesman said all red shirts were expected to ensure a smooth linkage between the government and the voters.

"Despite criticism, the red shirts are actually the strength of the government because they play a critical role in ensuring mass support," he said.

-- The Nation 2011-08-30

[tlansford]

To be honest the Dems and their mates stuffed those they could trust into as many positions as they could and now PTP are doing the same.

I don't recall the Dems having a dozen or so of its members out on bail from felony charges when they made their appointments upon forming their coalition government.

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Innocent until proven guilty and all those quaint little trappings of democracy. Final judgement is the legal standard. A rather large segment of the population also see all those charges as politically motivated. Even the yellow shirts I know think it.

Now lets say Suthep and Abhisit get charged with lets say conspiracy to murder or treason or something. Should they also resign?

And of course we have an MP who led a coup. That was hardly a legal act.

... hardly a legal act.

well, when the new constitution absolves you of any wrong-doing...

At the very least, it will be interesting to see where Thailand is in 12 months, and then in 24 months...

From our vantage point, we only get to see the waves on the surface, but not the currents underneath...

[animatic]

" "... it is not feasible to appoint office holders from other parties and the Democrats,"

"Anusorn Eiamsa-ard said on Tuesday."

Seems what is 'feasible' is driven solely by political expedience and payback to allies, and not by logically picking the best man for a given job, as part of assembling a unity/reconciliation government, run by PTP as it's head.

To bring the entire country back together...

No, not feasible to do that.

The fact that they feel the need to go to such repeated lengths to rationalize and validate their appointee choices, shows how poor those choices are in relation to the jobs to be done, and to the divisiveness of those choices as political actions. This is anything BUT the route to reconciliation.

Edited August 30, 2011 by animatic

[hammered]

To be honest the Dems and their mates stuffed those they could trust into as many positions as they could and now PTP are doing the same.

I don't recall the Dems having a dozen or so of its members out on bail from felony charges when they made their appointments upon forming their coalition government.

.

Innocent until proven guilty and all those quaint little trappings of democracy. Final judgement is the legal standard. A rather large segment of the population also see all those charges as politically motivated. Even the yellow shirts I know think it.

Now lets say Suthep and Abhisit get charged with lets say conspiracy to murder or treason or something. Should they also resign?

And of course we have an MP who led a coup. That was hardly a legal act.

... hardly a legal act.

well, when the new constitution absolves you of any wrong-doing...

At the very least, it will be interesting to see where Thailand is in 12 months, and then in 24 months...

From our vantage point, we only get to see the waves on the surface, but not the currents underneath...

Very true. Today the military reshuffle list looks agreed and the government have said they wont change the security chief. However, the police chief looks to be in a very weak position. That is I guess where the real deals are made between those with knowledge, power and tanks and guns and in the army's case two new helicopters announced today

The constitutional route to absolving crimes is a tried and tested means for coup leaders. It remains to be seen whether that option can be offered others. Nowadays unlike in the past however a huge number of people see everything and if they dont there are many willing to point it out.

[huanga]

Corrupt and criminal to all levels of this government, All that can be hoped is the Thai Public will see it and yes TAKE TO THE STREETS IN PEACEFUL DEMONSTRATIONS

A LA RED SHIRT

"Peaceful "um no, Not in their vocabulary

Peaceful IS in their vocabulary. It means bring your "piece" like grenade, knife, guns and "full" bottle of molotov cocktail. That is how they roll!

Red=Blood=Fire

They have already showed us everything that is RED during their "piece-full" demonstration!

[sbk]

Cabinet approval for reds as political office holders

The Cabinet on Tuesday approved a list of political office holders, including some 20 vice ministers and a number of ministerial secretaries and advisers.

Several core members and guards of the red-shirt movement received key appointments.

Aree Krainara, head guard of the red shirts, is now secretary general to Interior Minister Yongyuth Wichaidit.

Red leader Yoswaris "Jeng Dokjik" Chuklom is a deputy secretary general in the Interior Ministry.

Deputy Prime Minister Chalerm Yoobamrung's son Wan is a deputy secretary general in the Transport Ministry.

Among the vice ministers are red-shirt leader Visa Kanthap, ex-bureaucrat Prapat Chongsanguan and Pheu Thai party-list candidate Surachai Baochanya.

Good to see Mr. Happy Toilet has a new job!!!

(after getting trounced in the last election denied him a position in Parliament as an MP).

And even more Red Shirt Leaders now... wonderful!

The circus just gets bigger and bigger.

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Well the red shirts at least put their necks on the line to get the payback. What did Chalerm's son do to deserve the payback apart form losing in an election?

He sat on a giant commode once. That's enough for PTP.

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it really must be seen to be believed:

[OzMick]

Innocent until proven guilty and all those quaint little trappings of democracy. Final judgement is the legal standard. A rather large segment of the population also see all those charges as politically motivated. Even the yellow shirts I know think it.

Now lets say Suthep and Abhisit get charged with lets say conspiracy to murder or treason or something. Should they also resign?

And of course we have an MP who led a coup. That was hardly a legal act.

Yes, but then look at Dem. Apirak resigning till, his case is decided.

Making an effort to take a high road position and set a good example.

Not bull ahead as if appearances of propriety don't matter. They do.

The taint of corruption is there from pending trials of serious charges. But TRT, PPP, PTP have never worried about the appearances of corruption, and making their governments look and act cleaner as a basic philosophy of their functioning.

A main point is there are MANY who are not currently under charges to fill these seats and those that arem regardless of party list seatings, should take a back seat in the appointments list.

It is all going to just come down to whether charges are seen as political or criminal and that depends who is looking. The problem stemming from a coup carried out by a group who had an amnesty written for them. And there are a lot of little people who want whoever shot their son/daughter during April/May charged along with whoever ordered it. Is that going to happen so they join the red shirts in court? The whole thing about avoiding double standards accusations is that you legally treat everybody the same. The coup amnesty immediately undermines that opening up accusations even from those who have committed obvious crimes as carrying out a coup was obvious, open and hardly legal.

On corruption no differnce really except Abhisit said he wouldnt tolerate and then days later had to

There is no place for moral relativity in logical argument. If you don't like the coup-backers having amnesty, do something about it. But don't say to me that my crime doesn't matter because somebody else got away with it. that is nothing but crap.

[scorecard]

" "... it is not feasible to appoint office holders from other parties and the Democrats,"

"Anusorn Eiamsa-ard said on Tuesday."

Seems what is 'feasible' is driven solely by political expedience and payback to allies, and not by logically picking the best man for a given job, as part of assembling a unity/reconciliation government, run by PTP as it's head.

To bring the entire country back together...

No, not feasible to do that.

The fact that they feel the need to go to such repeated lengths to rationalize and validate their appointee choices, shows how poor those choices are in relation to the jobs to be done, and to the divisiveness of those choices as political actions. This is anything BUT the route to reconciliation.

"The fact that they feel the need to go to such repeated lengths to rationalize and validate their appointee choices, shows how poor those choices are in relation to the jobs to be done, and to the divisiveness of those choices as political actions. This is anything BUT the route to reconciliation."

Well said, and especially the last sentence about reconciliation!

But, are we really expecting any real intent for reconciliation?

[hammered]

" "... it is not feasible to appoint office holders from other parties and the Democrats,"

"Anusorn Eiamsa-ard said on Tuesday."

Seems what is 'feasible' is driven solely by political expedience and payback to allies, and not by logically picking the best man for a given job, as part of assembling a unity/reconciliation government, run by PTP as it's head.

To bring the entire country back together...

No, not feasible to do that.

The fact that they feel the need to go to such repeated lengths to rationalize and validate their appointee choices, shows how poor those choices are in relation to the jobs to be done, and to the divisiveness of those choices as political actions. This is anything BUT the route to reconciliation.

"The fact that they feel the need to go to such repeated lengths to rationalize and validate their appointee choices, shows how poor those choices are in relation to the jobs to be done, and to the divisiveness of those choices as political actions. This is anything BUT the route to reconciliation."

Well said, and especially the last sentence about reconciliation!

But, are we really expecting any real intent for reconciliation?

Every concerned party has their own agenda with reconciliation. There is going to be no reconciliation that leaves everyone happy. The trick is finding a form of reconciliation that keeps the majority happyish and the minority can live with. Right now every player has red lines that other players dont accept. It didnt really matter who won the election in that respect except in terms of who got to oversee reconciliation meaning who got to get more than the losers but not everything.

It is also naive to think there can be any reconciliation that doesnt address the Thaksin issue. That is now glaringly obvious

[djlest]

What a bunch of bad apples we have in this red barrel of fun...

Thai democracy = The peoples choice

(criminal mastermind)

(Thai Massage Parlour Kingpin)

(The son who didn't murder anyone)

(Hot looking Business women - no experience necessary)

Take your tickets - the show is about to begin...

[Bakseedaa]

To be honest the Dems and their mates stuffed those they could trust into as many positions as they could and now PTP are doing the same. Making the bureaucracy work for you and not against or in neutral is critical to running the country successfully. The PTP and the reds may not be to everyones liking but they are the elected government and do have the right to try and make sure the civil service do what they want them to do especially after inheriting one seeded with Dem and BJT friends. New government. Same problem. The civil service default is neutral gear as nobody knows who the next boss will be after the next election/coup so changing bosses every time is the only way to make it work when elected. real politik

Sorry Hammered, not sure I understand your logic here... lets ask all those Red Shirts appointed to positions that require some intelligence, lets ask them to take a general IQ test... how many do you think might get over 80/90... did a single one of them attend any University, I dont think so... and which one of them is a successful businessman... none I think... So , begs the question, why were they appointed... must be for their good looks and cheery dispositions...

[nurofiend]

Innocent until proven guilty and all those quaint little trappings of democracy. Final judgement is the legal standard. A rather large segment of the population also see all those charges as politically motivated. Even the yellow shirts I know think it.

Now lets say Suthep and Abhisit get charged with lets say conspiracy to murder or treason or something. Should they also resign?

And of course we have an MP who led a coup. That was hardly a legal act.

Yes, but then look at Dem. Apirak resigning till, his case is decided.

Making an effort to take a high road position and set a good example.

Not bull ahead as if appearances of propriety don't matter. They do.

The taint of corruption is there from pending trials of serious charges. But TRT, PPP, PTP have never worried about the appearances of corruption, and making their governments look and act cleaner as a basic philosophy of their functioning.

A main point is there are MANY who are not currently under charges to fill these seats and those that arem regardless of party list seatings, should take a back seat in the appointments list.

It is all going to just come down to whether charges are seen as political or criminal and that depends who is looking. The problem stemming from a coup carried out by a group who had an amnesty written for them. And there are a lot of little people who want whoever shot their son/daughter during April/May charged along with whoever ordered it. Is that going to happen so they join the red shirts in court? The whole thing about avoiding double standards accusations is that you legally treat everybody the same. The coup amnesty immediately undermines that opening up accusations even from those who have committed obvious crimes as carrying out a coup was obvious, open and hardly legal.

On corruption no differnce really except Abhisit said he wouldnt tolerate and then days later had to

There is no place for moral relativity in logical argument. If you don't like the coup-backers having amnesty, do something about it. But don't say to me that my crime doesn't matter because somebody else got away with it. that is nothing but crap.

i don't think their point was "my crime doesn't matter because somebody else got away with it"

it's the clear one sided-ness of who pays for their 'crimes' and who doesn't

anyway, that coup was an absolute disgrace...completely transparent

[Throatwobbler]

" "... it is not feasible to appoint office holders from other parties and the Democrats,"

"Anusorn Eiamsa-ard said on Tuesday."

Seems what is 'feasible' is driven solely by political expedience and payback to allies, and not by logically picking the best man for a given job, as part of assembling a unity/reconciliation government, run by PTP as it's head.

To bring the entire country back together...

No, not feasible to do that.

The fact that they feel the need to go to such repeated lengths to rationalize and validate their appointee choices, shows how poor those choices are in relation to the jobs to be done, and to the divisiveness of those choices as political actions. This is anything BUT the route to reconciliation.

"The fact that they feel the need to go to such repeated lengths to rationalize and validate their appointee choices, shows how poor those choices are in relation to the jobs to be done, and to the divisiveness of those choices as political actions. This is anything BUT the route to reconciliation."

Well said, and especially the last sentence about reconciliation!

But, are we really expecting any real intent for reconciliation?

Every concerned party has their own agenda with reconciliation. There is going to be no reconciliation that leaves everyone happy. The trick is finding a form of reconciliation that keeps the majority happyish and the minority can live with. Right now every player has red lines that other players dont accept. It didnt really matter who won the election in that respect except in terms of who got to oversee reconciliation meaning who got to get more than the losers but not everything.

It is also naive to think there can be any reconciliation that doesnt address the Thaksin issue. That is now glaringly obvious

But do you really think these appointments are in anyway the right way to reconcilliation. Do you believe the reds have any interest in proper reconcilliation, including those who have differring viewpoints to theirs.

I have yet to see anything that suggest that the reds want anything differing from their view. Their view is the only view. Look at the threats made against a Channel 7 reporter who asked a slightly difiicult question to Yingluck.

I hope I'm wrong but I feel these appointments are taking us a lot further from reconcilliation.

Maybe the new apointees will proove me wrong and offer an olive brand to their enemies. This is the true way to reconcilliation.

But I have to ask you a serious question do you really believe this will happen?

Look forward to your reply :jap:

[orchidlady]

I did a google search trying to find more info about Chalerm's son and the Mr. Happy toilet reference(searching for Duang and his last name) ...google came back with do you want to search for "doing your mom" ?

[webfact]

REDS

Yingluck government defends appointment of reds

By Piyanart Srivalo,

Khanittha Thepphajorn,

Tanatpong Kongsai

The Nation

The red shirts are well qualified to hold office and the Pheu Thai Party has won the mandate to rule, hence it could not dispense positions to the opposition Democrats, deputy government spokesman Anusorn Eiamsa-ard said yesterday.

"As Pheu Thai has formed the government, it is not feasible to appoint office holders from other parties and the Democrats," he said.

Anusorn, former master of ceremony on the red rally stage known as DJ Red, said the government had filled vacant positions with qualified office holders.

The Cabinet meeting yesterday appointed 20 assistants to ministers. All are either from the red shirt or Pheu Thai Party while none was from a coalition party.

Aree Krainara was the head guard of the red shirts and also a former ministerial adviser before his appointment as secretary-general to Interior Minister Yongyuth Wichaidit, he said.

Chinnawat Habunphad was a former chairman of a taxi drivers' association before involvement in the red-shirt movement, therefore his background was suitable for an advisory position in the Transport Ministry, he said.

Phetchawat Wattanapongsirikul was a former associate judge for labour disputes before joining the red shirts in Chiang Mai. He is qualified as an adviser to the Social Development and Human Security Ministry.

Red-shirt leader Yoswalit Chooklom received a master's degree from the National Institute for Development Administration and took part in the past four election races. He has the education and experience to work as secretary to Deputy Interior Minister Thanis Thienthong.

The deputy government spokes-man said all red shirts were expected to ensure a smooth link between the government and the voters.

"Despite criticism, the red shirts are actually the strength of the government because they play a critical role in ensuring mass support," he said.

Wan Yoobamrung, son of Deputy Prime Minister Chalerm, was appointed secretary to Deputy Transport Minister Kittisakdi Hatha-songkroh. Wichienchanin Sinthu-prai, Roi Et red-shirt leader and brother of red-shirt leader Nisit, was appointed an adviser to the deputy transport minister.

Former MP Prasang Mongkolsiri was appointed adviser to Deputy Education Minister Bunruen Srithares. Linda Cherdchai, daughter-in-law of Thai Passenger Bus Asso-ciation Chairwoman Sujinda, and Worawi Makudi who is a Pheu Thai executive and also president of the Football Association of Thailand, were appointed Thai Trade representatives.

Among 20 assistants to ministers appointed yesterday was red-shirt leader Wisa Kanthap.

The law allows 30 posts of assistants to ministers.

The Chart Thai Pattana Party had proposed Chawengsak Rengpai-boonwong as deputy government spokesman, but he was not considered.

Government spokesman Titima Chaisang said the appointments were considered on the basis of qualifications, not which group they were from. However, three deputy spokes-persons are already enough for the job.

Besides Anusorn and Anuttama Amornwiwat, Chalitrat Chandru-beksa from Chart Pattana Puea Pandin Party was appointed deputy government spokesman. A source from Chart Thai Pattana Party said the party was waiting to see whether the party's representatives would be appointed for the 10 remaining posts of assistant to ministers.

-- The Nation 2011-08-31

[comeondoit]

Well the red shirts at least put their necks on the line to get the payback. What did Chalerm's son do to deserve the payback apart form losing in an election?

That's a rhetorical question, right?

We know he's "done alot" in his lifetime, enough to have been rejected by most Thais when other "unsavoury" characters were getting elected.

it is all about money, is it? they have now a fix salary and can show up once per month to collect it and they have now the possibility to collect tea money. it is a pity the thais are not taking the chance to go ahaid with reconciliation. i would give yingluck some credit...but it seems to be too hard for the lady to drive her course of action really independentlyform her brother and the hard core criminals under the red shirts

[OzMick]

It is all going to just come down to whether charges are seen as political or criminal and that depends who is looking. The problem stemming from a coup carried out by a group who had an amnesty written for them. And there are a lot of little people who want whoever shot their son/daughter during April/May charged along with whoever ordered it. Is that going to happen so they join the red shirts in court? The whole thing about avoiding double standards accusations is that you legally treat everybody the same. The coup amnesty immediately undermines that opening up accusations even from those who have committed obvious crimes as carrying out a coup was obvious, open and hardly legal.

On corruption no differnce really except Abhisit said he wouldnt tolerate and then days later had to

There is no place for moral relativity in logical argument. If you don't like the coup-backers having amnesty, do something about it. But don't say to me that my crime doesn't matter because somebody else got away with it. that is nothing but crap.

i don't think their point was "my crime doesn't matter because somebody else got away with it"

it's the clear one sided-ness of who pays for their 'crimes' and who doesn't

anyway, that coup was an absolute disgrace...completely transparent

Your view of the coup is your own, however misguided.

But I suggest you get a copy of the Thai Criminal Code and find out what "crimes" are. Some of the major ones include murder, arson, possession of illegal weapons, looting - and all of which were committed by the red shirt group.

If you or the reds feel that the coup plotters deserve punishment and have evaded it, fine, do something about it. But don't expect a blind eye to be turned, don't expect that the end justifies the means. "Freedom fighters" or mercenary thugs paid to commit armed insurrection - crimes WERE committed.

[whybother]

"We are not going to appoint Democrats".

What a stupid statement, just to try and hide from the issue.

Of course they're not going to appoint Democrats to the positions. But, that doesn't mean they have to appoint red shirt leaders.

[Cayenne]

Red Democracy - "Might = Right"

I went to my Se-Ed today and saw a copy of "Red Power". While dimissing this as a typical redshirt rag, I noticed that the cover story talked about a red shirt leader (I forgot his name- the university lecturer wearing glasses) proclaiming that he didn't need to join the government to be effective.

I guess within their own ranks even the so-called leaders don't know what they want, let alone what's best for the country.

[Buchholz]

Titima defends UDD political officials

BANGKOK, 31 August 2011 (NNT) – In light of criticism over its decision to appoint several key figures of the United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD) to political positions, Government Spokesperson Titima Chaisang has asked the public to give those people a chance to prove whether they are worth their salt first before jumping the gun.

Speaking about the appointment of several UDD figures to political official posts, Ms Titima explained that the government welcomes people with high potential including the red-shirts, as many of them have post-graduate educational background and had been assisting ministerial works in many past governments.

The spokesperson explained further that some of these newly appointed officials also had previously run as MPs, which means that they have already had their qualifications certified by the Election Commission, and therefore there should be no doubt about their appropriateness to perform in these positions.

Ms Titima hence asked the public to give them an opportunity to work first, saying they will work for the nation and Thai people. She confirmed that their appointments were made based on their knowledge and qualifications to work in the posts such as secretaries or advisors to ministers or deputy ministers.

Meanwhile, Deputy Government Spokesperson Anusorn Iamsa-at echoed the viewpoint of Ms Titima, saying UDD guard leader Aree Krainara, for example, now appointed the secretary to the deputy interior minister has several MP candidacy experiences and is good at crowd control.

Mr Anusorn asked the society not to perceive people speaking on the UDD stage to have no knowledge and lack qualifications to work.

He confirmed that they will not seek political revenge as they uphold what Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra announced earlier.

-- NNT 2011-08-31

[Buchholz]

Government Spokesperson Titima Chaisang has asked the public to give those people a chance to prove whether they are worth their salt first before jumping the gun.

Here's hoping that the advice for not "jumping the gun" also applies to these new Red Shirts in the government.

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[whybother]

Speaking about the appointment of several UDD figures to political official posts, Ms Titima explained that the government welcomes people with high potential including the red-shirts, as many of them have post-graduate educational background and had been assisting ministerial works in many past governments.

mmmm .... who was saying that PTP = UDD was not true?

Edited August 31, 2011 by whybother

[OzMick]

I've got batteries with higher potential than some of these turkeys.

[nurofiend]

It is all going to just come down to whether charges are seen as political or criminal and that depends who is looking. The problem stemming from a coup carried out by a group who had an amnesty written for them. And there are a lot of little people who want whoever shot their son/daughter during April/May charged along with whoever ordered it. Is that going to happen so they join the red shirts in court? The whole thing about avoiding double standards accusations is that you legally treat everybody the same. The coup amnesty immediately undermines that opening up accusations even from those who have committed obvious crimes as carrying out a coup was obvious, open and hardly legal.

On corruption no differnce really except Abhisit said he wouldnt tolerate and then days later had to

There is no place for moral relativity in logical argument. If you don't like the coup-backers having amnesty, do something about it. But don't say to me that my crime doesn't matter because somebody else got away with it. that is nothing but crap.

i don't think their point was "my crime doesn't matter because somebody else got away with it"

it's the clear one sided-ness of who pays for their 'crimes' and who doesn't

anyway, that coup was an absolute disgrace...completely transparent

Your view of the coup is your own, however misguided.

But I suggest you get a copy of the Thai Criminal Code and find out what "crimes" are. Some of the major ones include murder, arson, possession of illegal weapons, looting - and all of which were committed by the red shirt group.

If you or the reds feel that the coup plotters deserve punishment and have evaded it, fine, do something about it. But don't expect a blind eye to be turned, don't expect that the end justifies the means. "Freedom fighters" or mercenary thugs paid to commit armed insurrection - crimes WERE committed.

what do you mean...."do something about it?"

why don't you do something about all the things you come on here moaning and groaning about first and then you can come back and tell me to do something about it...

why do you feel the need to make a snide remark and insinuate i don't know what a 'crime' is? it's like reasoning with children sometimes, i swear.

and nowhere in my post did i say the red shirts didn't commit crimes....seriously can you just try and read and take in what a post means before putting words in my mouth in future? thanks

[OzMick]

There is no place for moral relativity in logical argument. If you don't like the coup-backers having amnesty, do something about it. But don't say to me that my crime doesn't matter because somebody else got away with it. that is nothing but crap.

i don't think their point was "my crime doesn't matter because somebody else got away with it"

it's the clear one sided-ness of who pays for their 'crimes' and who doesn't

anyway, that coup was an absolute disgrace...completely transparent

Your view of the coup is your own, however misguided.

But I suggest you get a copy of the Thai Criminal Code and find out what "crimes" are. Some of the major ones include murder, arson, possession of illegal weapons, looting - and all of which were committed by the red shirt group.

If you or the reds feel that the coup plotters deserve punishment and have evaded it, fine, do something about it. But don't expect a blind eye to be turned, don't expect that the end justifies the means. "Freedom fighters" or mercenary thugs paid to commit armed insurrection - crimes WERE committed.

what do you mean...."do something about it?"

why don't you do something about all the things you come on here moaning and groaning about first and then you can come back and tell me to do something about it...

why do you feel the need to make a snide remark and insinuate i don't know what a 'crime' is? it's like reasoning with children sometimes, i swear.

and nowhere in my post did i say the red shirts didn't commit crimes....seriously can you just try and read and take in what a post means before putting words in my mouth in future? thanks

Do something - such as change the constitution to remove their amnesty. and I was referring to the red shirt brigade whose excuse is "I shouldn't be prosecuted because the coup plotters got amnesty"

Snide? Perhaps........but if you know what a crime is and believe the red shirts committed crimes, don't refer to them as 'crimes'. The implication is obvious even if unintended.

[KKvampire]

Violence , Imtimidation, Terrorising have proved to be a gateway to success in public life in Thailand and for that its a massive reflection and condemnation of the Thai nation and its people

Edited September 1, 2011 by KKvampire

[nurofiend]

i don't think their point was "my crime doesn't matter because somebody else got away with it"

it's the clear one sided-ness of who pays for their 'crimes' and who doesn't

anyway, that coup was an absolute disgrace...completely transparent

Your view of the coup is your own, however misguided.

But I suggest you get a copy of the Thai Criminal Code and find out what "crimes" are. Some of the major ones include murder, arson, possession of illegal weapons, looting - and all of which were committed by the red shirt group.

If you or the reds feel that the coup plotters deserve punishment and have evaded it, fine, do something about it. But don't expect a blind eye to be turned, don't expect that the end justifies the means. "Freedom fighters" or mercenary thugs paid to commit armed insurrection - crimes WERE committed.

what do you mean...."do something about it?"

why don't you do something about all the things you come on here moaning and groaning about first and then you can come back and tell me to do something about it...

why do you feel the need to make a snide remark and insinuate i don't know what a 'crime' is? it's like reasoning with children sometimes, i swear.

and nowhere in my post did i say the red shirts didn't commit crimes....seriously can you just try and read and take in what a post means before putting words in my mouth in future? thanks

Do something - such as change the constitution to remove their amnesty. and I was referring to the red shirt brigade whose excuse is "I shouldn't be prosecuted because the coup plotters got amnesty"

Snide? Perhaps........but if you know what a crime is and believe the red shirts committed crimes, don't refer to them as 'crimes'. The implication is obvious even if unintended.

pffft, 'change the constitution to remove their amnesty'...hang on a sec, i think i'm free on monday.....oh, wait.

as i said, you 'do something' about all the things you moan about first and then you can be justified in telling me to 'do something about it'

and the implication wasn't obvious because i wasn't implying the red shirts never committed crimes.

i was however implying that some of the alleged crimes that led to the coup, were just that 'alleged'... also some of the crimes committed during the coup operation are 'alleged' to have been swept under the carpet.

[OzMick]

Your view of the coup is your own, however misguided.

But I suggest you get a copy of the Thai Criminal Code and find out what "crimes" are. Some of the major ones include murder, arson, possession of illegal weapons, looting - and all of which were committed by the red shirt group.

If you or the reds feel that the coup plotters deserve punishment and have evaded it, fine, do something about it. But don't expect a blind eye to be turned, don't expect that the end justifies the means. "Freedom fighters" or mercenary thugs paid to commit armed insurrection - crimes WERE committed.

what do you mean...."do something about it?"

why don't you do something about all the things you come on here moaning and groaning about first and then you can come back and tell me to do something about it...

why do you feel the need to make a snide remark and insinuate i don't know what a 'crime' is? it's like reasoning with children sometimes, i swear.

and nowhere in my post did i say the red shirts didn't commit crimes....seriously can you just try and read and take in what a post means before putting words in my mouth in future? thanks

Do something - such as change the constitution to remove their amnesty. and I was referring to the red shirt brigade whose excuse is "I shouldn't be prosecuted because the coup plotters got amnesty"

Snide? Perhaps........but if you know what a crime is and believe the red shirts committed crimes, don't refer to them as 'crimes'. The implication is obvious even if unintended.

pffft, 'change the constitution to remove their amnesty'...hang on a sec, i think i'm free on monday.....oh, wait.

as i said, you 'do something' about all the things you moan about first and then you can be justified in telling me to 'do something about it'

and the implication wasn't obvious because i wasn't implying the red shirts never committed crimes.

i was however implying that some of the alleged crimes that led to the coup, were just that 'alleged'... also some of the crimes committed during the coup operation are 'alleged' to have been swept under the carpet.

Are you being deliberately or unintentionally obtuse? I have already explained that I was not referring to "you" personally,and i couldn't give a rat's anus what you want to do on Monday.

The crimes are not alleged, they occured publicly and obviously. The alleged only applies to the alleged perpetrators.

And again we resort to moral relativity - the argument of a 6-year-old. Don't whine to me about what crimes others have committed, it has nothing to do with the current topic, and it is exactly what my post was about before you decided to get involved.

[nurofiend]

what do you mean...."do something about it?"

why don't you do something about all the things you come on here moaning and groaning about first and then you can come back and tell me to do something about it...

why do you feel the need to make a snide remark and insinuate i don't know what a 'crime' is? it's like reasoning with children sometimes, i swear.

and nowhere in my post did i say the red shirts didn't commit crimes....seriously can you just try and read and take in what a post means before putting words in my mouth in future? thanks

Do something - such as change the constitution to remove their amnesty. and I was referring to the red shirt brigade whose excuse is "I shouldn't be prosecuted because the coup plotters got amnesty"

Snide? Perhaps........but if you know what a crime is and believe the red shirts committed crimes, don't refer to them as 'crimes'. The implication is obvious even if unintended.

pffft, 'change the constitution to remove their amnesty'...hang on a sec, i think i'm free on monday.....oh, wait.

as i said, you 'do something' about all the things you moan about first and then you can be justified in telling me to 'do something about it'

and the implication wasn't obvious because i wasn't implying the red shirts never committed crimes.

i was however implying that some of the alleged crimes that led to the coup, were just that 'alleged'... also some of the crimes committed during the coup operation are 'alleged' to have been swept under the carpet.

Are you being deliberately or unintentionally obtuse? I have already explained that I was not referring to "you" personally,and i couldn't give a rat's anus what you want to do on Monday.

The crimes are not alleged, they occured publicly and obviously. The alleged only applies to the alleged perpetrators.

And again we resort to moral relativity - the argument of a 6-year-old. Don't whine to me about what crimes others have committed, it has nothing to do with the current topic, and it is exactly what my post was about before you decided to get involved.

no no, you're wrong... some of the allegations that led to the coup in fact remain as just that, allegations

the only one who sounds like they're whining is you dude.... and how does political history have nothing to do with the current topic?