Thai Police Arrest Two For Murder Of French Engineer

[Richard4849]

Half-Thai kids are known to be predisposed to murder. Either that, or to becoming billionaire golfers. It's kind of a crap shoot, one or the other.

[notime]

As a matter of principle, I avoid as much as possible to do any business with foreigners in Thailand. What ever the negative story about Thais posted in this forum, I know a worst story involving foreigners.

Most foreigners who do business in Thailand do it illegally, which means they are involved witha lot of not-so-nice people and they have developed over the years a crook mentality. It the same for the Thais involved with these people. You do business with them at your own risks.

What kind of foreigners do you associate with exactly? This is an outrageously inaccurate and unfair statement.

Oh no. I can second JurgenG from my own experience. But the way I view this is that of course there are many honest foreigners working hard in Thailand. But there are also other type of foreigners who perhaps got attracted to this country due to her loose consumer protection laws, hardly functioning justice system and general lawlessness. These foreigners often speak Thai well, have a network of Thai friends (mafia) that makes them feel absolutely invincible and ARE very dangerous to deal with. They behave in a way that they would never even contemplating behaving in their country of origin. I've been assaulted twice in 5 years here buy such individuals. I'm still being subjected to threats and bullying by one of them. The visits to police stations are of course absolutely useless. This very tragic story is another example of foreigners taking the worst out of the Thai system.

[Richard4849]

As a matter of principle, I avoid as much as possible to do any business with foreigners in Thailand. What ever the negative story about Thais posted in this forum, I know a worst story involving foreigners.

Most foreigners who do business in Thailand do it illegally, which means they are involved witha lot of not-so-nice people and they have developed over the years a crook mentality. It the same for the Thais involved with these people. You do business with them at your own risks.

What kind of foreigners do you associate with exactly? This is an outrageously inaccurate and unfair statement.

Oh no. I can second JurgenG from my own experience. But the way I view this is that of course there are many honest foreigners working hard in Thailand. But there are also other type of foreigners who perhaps got attracted to this country due to her loose consumer protection laws, hardly functioning justice system and general lawlessness. These foreigners often speak Thai well, have a network of Thai friends (mafia) that makes them feel absolutely invincible and ARE very dangerous to deal with. They behave in a way that they would never even contemplating behaving in their country of origin. I've been assaulted twice in 5 years here buy such individuals. I'm still being subjected to threats and bullying by one of them. The visits to police stations are of course absolutely useless. This very tragic story is another example of foreigners taking the worst out of the Thai system.

Let me guess...Pattaya?

[sirchai]

My mother told me motorbikes were dangerous.

My mother told me, when I was young....listen closely my only son. Never ever trust them, or better run. Cause if you don't do it, they will kill her only son........:jap:

In memory of Joe and Lynyrd Skynard.

Edited September 5, 2011 by sirchai

[sylvain]

i have strange feelings when i see all the comments here.

First of all, sincere condolences to the victim's family. it seems that this French guy met the wrong guys at the wrong time, and if the story is true , then it is a pity to be shot for 250 000 baht. he was only in his forties.

To everybody i would like to say, don't look for the super good deal of the year at the back of a small dark soi.

There are no good deals over there, only problems.

there are plenty of fully legit bikes in LOS, so don't bother : buy legit !

Rest in Peace Eric dremeau.

[sfbandung]

Half-Thai kids are known to be predisposed to murder. Either that, or to becoming billionaire golfers. It's kind of a crap shoot, one or the other.

Funniest post of the day!

[Cnxforever]

Be aware of gun laws in Thailand!. I know my post may be irrelevant to the article posted, however, it involves guns. Last year on Chang wattana freeway going to Pathumthani, I was victim of a road rage. A brand new B.M.W 7 series still with red plate in front of me, shot at me but luckily he missed. I managed to follow him cautiously, keeping my distance to his home. So I knew where he lived and with that I went to police station. What I am about to tell you is even more frustrating than shooting itself. I met the " Watch commander " of the police station and he tried to explain the Thai gun laws as follows;

If a man points a gun at you and fires the gun,but for some reason he misses by either you dodging the bullet or bad aiming by him.then he can't be charged with an ATTEMPTED MURDER!. If he owned the gun legally, then he can only be charged with " Brandishing a fire arm or firing in public" charge which carries maximum penalty of 500 Baht in fine!. I KID YOU NOT!, merely a slap on the wrist. When he told me that, my head was exploding, I told him whether that was the " Farang law " meaning it only applies if a Thai tries to shoot a Farang!?. He replied by saying " NO " and went on to give an example of an earlier incident involving a police shooting in a bar. A police officer gets in to an argument in a bar with a local, pulls out his gun and shoots him dead. When other officers arrived at the scene, he simply said, " a man pulled his gun from his holster and shot the man " and with that story he walked. Of course, there must have been more than that to the story, like every body in the bar hushed up and didn't say any thing. But this is how lawless Thailand is and can be. The man who killed this French man probably will serve about two years or less.

sorry but you are wrong here....premeditated murder in Thailand carries the death penalty - usually converted to life in prison without parole if the suspect confesses to the crime.

Also in Thailand as in many other countries you are not allowed to carry a loaded gun in your car as a civilian - if you happen to take your licensed gun to a shooting range you have to keep the ammunition separate.

And if you have lifed here long enough the fact that if sombody drives a brand new 7series BMW should have told you that even if he would have shot you dead he would have most probably gotten away with it. Some people here seem to be above the law - I mean who in his right mind would fire a gun at somebody for no reason at all - only somebody who knows he can get away with it.

[chooka]

What is a Thai-Iranian and a Thai-Belgian????

I ran this past my brother-inlaw who is a Captain in the BIB. He tells me if a person has dual citizenship thai/whatever then they will be refered to as such and these are normally the decendents of mixed marriages. He also tells me that for the purpose of reports these two would be recorded as farangs and as such it is a farang V Farang crime and not Thai against Farang. I said to him, then they would have the right to contact the consular office of which they are a citizen? He says no not unless the give up thier Thai citizenship thus making them solely farang.

All a little wierd as when it comes to Thai movie stars, sportspeople and other entertainers they are not refered to as Thai-Belgian or Thai-Australian or whatever they are simply known as "THAI". It is not until they slipup and step on thier penises that they are refered to as the Farang. So I guess J.J operating the jetski scam in Pattaya is not a Thai scamming Farangs but Farang V Farang.

[Richard4849]

Iranians don't even qualify as farangs....they are khaek.

[ableguy]

the guy who was arrested at home seemed to be smiling about the whole thing,

Congenital idiots do smile most of the time.

nice one

[Humphrey Bear]

What is a Thai-Iranian and a Thai-Belgian????

Pregnant Thai tart found a stoned Irani and married him, telling him later that the kid was his.

Another pregnant Thai scrubber catches a drunk Belgian with the same story.

Both mugs walk around proud-as-Punch, thinking they've fathered kids, maybe stay in-country, maybe go home. Mothers farm the kids out to grandparents living in Nakhon Nowhere and go back to working bar.

These youths are Thai, not foreign.

[Humphrey Bear]

It may help to bring in witnesses who had seen mixed race people around the area at the time or am I being naive ?

Very naive.

The youths are probably 100% Thai, but the husbands of the two mothers have been told that they're the fathers, in order to get maintenance money for life.

Thai boyfriend, or brother, or cousin, whatever - the most likely father.

[JUDAS]

What is a Thai-Iranian and a Thai-Belgian????

Pregnant Thai tart found a stoned Irani and married him, telling him later that the kid was his.

Another pregnant Thai scrubber catches a drunk Belgian with the same story.

Both mugs walk around proud-as-Punch, thinking they've fathered kids, maybe stay in-country, maybe go home. Mothers farm the kids out to grandparents living in Nakhon Nowhere and go back to working bar.

These youths are Thai, not foreign.

You have some serious issues....

[taichiplanet]

Be aware of gun laws in Thailand!. I know my post may be irrelevant to the article posted, however, it involves guns. Last year on Chang wattana freeway going to Pathumthani, I was victim of a road rage. A brand new B.M.W 7 series still with red plate in front of me, shot at me but luckily he missed. I managed to follow him cautiously, keeping my distance to his home. So I knew where he lived and with that I went to police station. What I am about to tell you is even more frustrating than shooting itself. I met the " Watch commander " of the police station and he tried to explain the Thai gun laws as follows;

If a man points a gun at you and fires the gun,but for some reason he misses by either you dodging the bullet or bad aiming by him.then he can't be charged with an ATTEMPTED MURDER!. If he owned the gun legally, then he can only be charged with " Brandishing a fire arm or firing in public" charge which carries maximum penalty of 500 Baht in fine!. I KID YOU NOT!, merely a slap on the wrist. When he told me that, my head was exploding, I told him whether that was the " Farang law " meaning it only applies if a Thai tries to shoot a Farang!?. He replied by saying " NO " and went on to give an example of an earlier incident involving a police shooting in a bar. A police officer gets in to an argument in a bar with a local, pulls out his gun and shoots him dead. When other officers arrived at the scene, he simply said, " a man pulled his gun from his holster and shot the man " and with that story he walked. Of course, there must have been more than that to the story, like every body in the bar hushed up and didn't say any thing. But this is how lawless Thailand is and can be. The man who killed this French man probably will serve about two years or less.

sorry but you are wrong here....premeditated murder in Thailand carries the death penalty - usually converted to life in prison without parole if the suspect confesses to the crime.

Also in Thailand as in many other countries you are not allowed to carry a loaded gun in your car as a civilian - if you happen to take your licensed gun to a shooting range you have to keep the ammunition separate.

And if you have lifed here long enough the fact that if sombody drives a brand new 7series BMW should have told you that even if he would have shot you dead he would have most probably gotten away with it. Some people here seem to be above the law - I mean who in his right mind would fire a gun at somebody for no reason at all - only somebody who knows he can get away with it.

At the Criminal law seminar held in Pattaya by Thai Judges, the Thai law is very clear; if you have intention then it is a crime. In the case stated above by AllenR, the guy fired a gun knowing full well that he could kill someone, so that is attempted murder.

Anyway, sad that someone was killed but at least they got the culprits.

[Familyonthemove]

Half-Thai kids are known to be predisposed to murder. Either that, or to becoming billionaire golfers. It's kind of a crap shoot, one or the other.

.... or actors .... don't forget Champoo Araya

[Richard4849]

Half-Thai kids are known to be predisposed to murder. Either that, or to becoming billionaire golfers. It's kind of a crap shoot, one or the other.

.... or actors .... don't forget Champoo Araya

...or government Ministers, like Meechai Viravaidya.

[cosmont]

RIP to victim

[bobbin]

Is this an example of what becomes of the children of elderly farangs and the young bargirls they have kids with?

BTW, the deceased had 2 kids of his own; 18 and 14 years of age.

Speaking from experience? Or do you have information that wasnt provided to the press?

It was a legit question. What do you think happens to kids in Thailand when the farang father is either dead, uninterested, or otherwise disposed of by the spouse? Let's see if the farang father shows up to stand with the product of his spilled seed.

Digging yourself in deeper, my dear GK...

When you post as often as you do, some are bound to be clunkers.

The comment was unwarranted and betrays a judgmental mindset.

[DieterWiehe]

As a matter of principle, I avoid as much as possible to do any business with foreigners in Thailand. What ever the negative story about Thais posted in this forum, I know a worst story involving foreigners.

Most foreigners who do business in Thailand do it illegally, which means they are involved witha lot of not-so-nice people and they have developed over the years a crook mentality. It the same for the Thais involved with these people. You do business with them at your own risks.

What kind of foreigners do you associate with exactly? This is an outrageously inaccurate and unfair statement.

Oh no. I can second JurgenG from my own experience. But the way I view this is that of course there are many honest foreigners working hard in Thailand. But there are also other type of foreigners who perhaps got attracted to this country due to her loose consumer protection laws, hardly functioning justice system and general lawlessness. These foreigners often speak Thai well, have a network of Thai friends (mafia) that makes them feel absolutely invincible and ARE very dangerous to deal with. They behave in a way that they would never even contemplating behaving in their country of origin. I've been assaulted twice in 5 years here buy such individuals. I'm still being subjected to threats and bullying by one of them. The visits to police stations are of course absolutely useless. This very tragic story is another example of foreigners taking the worst out of the Thai system.

get a Gun

[Junglejumbo]

If he french man had the cash ready, then what could the argument have been about?

Given that Mark was told to drive the victim to an alley and not to meet the lady who was going to register the bike, we can assume that Jim had problems trying to get the bike registered which was probably because there was something illegal about it such as being imported without paying tax or stolen. (Probably the later given all the guns this guy had in his attick...clearly into crime).

Therefore, either Jim would've had to refund the 200,000 baht or kill him. The bit about the lady showing up to register it in Big C car park was clearly fake.

[katana]

a Thai-Iranian and a Thai-Belgian , wonder where these two meet

any pictures?

Pics of the crime reconstruction here:

http://www.thairath.co.th/content/region/199086

http://www.khaosod.co.th/view_newsonline.php?newsid=TVRNeE5UQTBNekk1Tnc9PQ==&sectionid=

Edited September 5, 2011 by katana

[Richard4849]

No mention of the perpetrators' nationality whatsoever in this article. The newspaper obviously missed an opportunity to pin it on barbarian blood, according to some posters.

[richardblanc]

Good boy that you listen to you mama.

My mother told me motorbikes were dangerous.

ladys alcool gun drog event cigarette did your mum told u too good boy

[chooka]

a Thai-Iranian and a Thai-Belgian , wonder where these two meet

any pictures?

Pics of the crime reconstruction here:

http://www.thairath....t/region/199086

http://www.khaosod.c...PQ==&sectionid=

Tried to read link 2 that you provided here is just a little. What does it mean????

The first point is that Mr. S. Pat. Drive to the Jim's house in Nonthaburi that Jim would say to Mr S. Pat held a drive to Rick. The Big Sea. Branch facilities. The end point is that Mr. S. Patra car park within a few persimmon Soi 8 which is where he found an Eric. From Jim's talk about motorcycles, said Rick L. Rick L. buy from Jim and Anne C. said to have paid out. But the paperwork is not completed. Rick held until the dispute is not satisfied. Meanwhile, Jim had a gun out of the bag was almost shot in the head, Rick held a number of strikes at the heart Pat was a smoker from a distance.

So as he was a smoker and the alledged killer almost shot him in the head, did he die from lung cancer?

[Richard4849]

You might want to have an actual, living breathing reader of Thai to help you decipher the article.

[chooka]

a Thai-Iranian and a Thai-Belgian , wonder where these two meet

any pictures?

Kamolpat Sukkharom has a facebook page so you can check there.

[richardblanc]

What is a Thai-Iranian and a Thai-Belgian????

Pregnant Thai tart found a stoned Irani and married him, telling him later that the kid was his.

Another pregnant Thai scrubber catches a drunk Belgian with the same story.

Both mugs walk around proud-as-Punch, thinking they've fathered kids, maybe stay in-country, maybe go home. Mothers farm the kids out to grandparents living in Nakhon Nowhere and go back to working bar.

These youths are Thai, not foreign.

i think too

make more sence to me,it;s most the time like that

DON'T KILL FRENCH WE ARE NICE PEOPLES

[Bingo66]

Half-Thai kids are known to be predisposed to murder. Either that, or to becoming billionaire golfers. It's kind of a crap shoot, one or the other.

.... or actors .... don't forget Champoo Araya

So much <deleted> in this thread.

She is actually Lao British with Thai Cit.

So wrong again.

[hehehoho]

Pretty boy might find some close friends in the slammer.

Podgy might lose some weight.

[crazykopite]

Be aware of gun laws in Thailand!. I know my post may be irrelevant to the article posted, however, it involves guns. Last year on Chang wattana freeway going to Pathumthani, I was victim of a road rage. A brand new B.M.W 7 series still with red plate in front of me, shot at me but luckily he missed. I managed to follow him cautiously, keeping my distance to his home. So I knew where he lived and with that I went to police station. What I am about to tell you is even more frustrating than shooting itself. I met the " Watch commander " of the police station and he tried to explain the Thai gun laws as follows;

If a man points a gun at you and fires the gun,but for some reason he misses by either you dodging the bullet or bad aiming by him.then he can't be charged with an ATTEMPTED MURDER!. If he owned the gun legally, then he can only be charged with " Brandishing a fire arm or firing in public" charge which carries maximum penalty of 500 Baht in fine!. I KID YOU NOT!, merely a slap on the wrist. When he told me that, my head was exploding, I told him whether that was the " Farang law " meaning it only applies if a Thai tries to shoot a Farang!?. He replied by saying " NO " and went on to give an example of an earlier incident involving a police shooting in a bar. A police officer gets in to an argument in a bar with a local, pulls out his gun and shoots him dead. When other officers arrived at the scene, he simply said, " a man pulled his gun from his holster and shot the man " and with that story he walked. Of course, there must have been more than that to the story, like every body in the bar hushed up and didn't say any thing. But this is how lawless Thailand is and can be. The man who killed this French man probably will serve about two years or less.

A Thai lawyer who did some work for me told me he has many guns registered in his name and if I wanted one for protection it would cost me 50,000 baht per year He explained as a farang we are not allowed to own one however if I were to shoot someone with one of his weapons he would have told police that he had left it in my house by mistake when he had been to visit me a few days earlier and as the gun had been left in my house I would get away with using it as I was protecting my property. I declined his offer.