Son Of London Deputy Mayor Dies After Full Moon Party

[tigermonkey]

A Britt dies in Thailand likely because of his over indulgence and we have to read a story that largely talks negatively about the area of Thailand where he died.

All nations have certain quirks in their culture but is not taking responsibility for ones own actions and/or needing to lay blame on others a common trait among the Britts?

Nisa,

Thank you for pointing this out. I was beginning to wonder if I was the only one aware of this odd cultural trait. Lets see. The "British View" The world is our playground, and occasionally we elect to "Colonize" it. When good things happen, it is because White People made it so. When bad things happen, nasty Brown People have once again, proven to be "heathens." (Actually, i saw a post that called Thais "animals").

We (Brits) come to foreign lands, and hope for two coincidences. Beautiful women, and a weak economy. We rub our hands with glee knowing the floods will so impoverish thousands of farm families, that soon their lovely teen daughters will be for sale on our "Personal Playground"

If, along the way, the spoiled child of a British Diplomat dies from over-indulgence... Believe it or not...we can actually find a way to blame Brown People.

We sit in our private little kingdoms, living on the dole, judging everyone and everything that does not satisfy the three most important things we care about . "Me, me and ME"

You mock Thailand and even its slogans for Tourism. I do not remember the advertisement that says "Thailand is Perfect" ... but in your postings I do detect a whiff of "The UK Is." Long live the Queen!

Oh, I'm sorry guys, does it not feel good to have your race, culture and beliefs tossed under the bus? Does it seem unfair to many of you who are actually "stand up guys," hard working professionals, trustworthy husbands, loyal friends and responsible "family men" to be lumped together with a few misfits? Well, read the postings...that is what happens every day here from the Thai perspective.

Thank you for your much needed perspective.

[Thongkorn]

This has been going on for a long time, the Thai Police know whats going on, because its a son of a high profile person its big news, But still a tragedy, again its down to Money number one, Just make money never mind the consequences. but those who take drugs should except their fate,

[SteeleJoe]

A Britt dies in Thailand likely because of his over indulgence and we have to read a story that largely talks negatively about the area of Thailand where he died.

All nations have certain quirks in their culture but is not taking responsibility for ones own actions and/or needing to lay blame on others a common trait among the Britts?

What part of Thai culture is drinking cocktails out of buckets and having a menu of drugs available?

It would seem this is more of a farang past time but certainly some Thais also enjoy partying hard.

It was you he tried to call the Full Moon Party a Thai cultural quirk, wan't it?

It never fails; anything negative associated with Thailand (or perceived to be potentially so) being discussed is apparently intolerable to you -- always the uncritical and nonobjective and defender - even when it's totally unnecessary (I don't see this article as an attack on Thailand nor would I see anyone's criticism of FMPs as a criticism of Thailand)...

Have fun.

[anterian]

Youths take exams to prove their intellectual excellence, they take risks to show their physical excellence, some fail, some pay the ultimate penalty, it is called natural selection.

[SteeleJoe]

Thailand is not responsible ? I think they are.

They are aware of drugs being sold openly to tourists and they could easily stop it if they wanted to . But its all about money and I'm sure that BIB is a big part of it.

If Thailand is responsible for people overindulging in substances, then the UK is too when it happens there, right?

Drugs and, even more so, alcohol are available virtually everywhere on the planet. No one is forced to use them at all, let alone overindulge in them. If you like to party hard and/or want to do the Full Moon Party thing (which typically does include hard partying) then I have no real problem with that. But it is your choice and you are responsible for your choices.

[limbos]

A Britt dies in Thailand likely because of his over indulgence and we have to read a story that largely talks negatively about the area of Thailand where he died.

All nations have certain quirks in their culture but is not taking responsibility for ones own actions and/or needing to lay blame on others a common trait among the Britts?

What part of Thai culture is drinking cocktails out of buckets and having a menu of drugs available?

It would seem this is more of a farang past time but certainly some Thais also enjoy partying hard.

It was you he tried to call the Full Moon Party a Thai cultural quirk, wan't it?

It never fails; anything negative associated with Thailand (or perceived to be potentially so) being discussed is apparently intolerable to you -- always the uncritical and nonobjective and defender - even when it's totally unnecessary (I don't see this article as an attack on Thailand nor would I see anyone's criticism of FMPs as a criticism of Thailand)...

Have fun.

Posting very outdated pictures and than telling us that now the situation is different does not seem to me like objective journalism but is definitely creating a certain mood, just imho.

[globalmenace]

Very sad, my sympathies to his family and friends. Hard beyond words to lose someone you love.

[OzMick]

Yingluk has just announced the new war on drugs - what better place to start than a small island with a well-deserved reputation as a drug hot spot. With limited access and a small permanent population, a covert operation should be able to identify the major operators in a few days.

While checking out those thought to be "unusually rich" the BIB would be a good place to start. I have it from a trustworthy source that those caught in possession of drugs are offered bail only if they have a legal representative. No lawyers are available, but your ticket agent will be your rep for B80-90,000 (non-refundable of course) including the minimal bail. If you can't come up with that amount, you will be kept in the cells until your case is heard - think weeks/months.

My friend was one of the rare ones who actually fronted court - a whopping B5000 fine for possession of a joint. No sign of his "legal representative."

[SteeleJoe]

Posting very outdated pictures and than telling us that now the situation is different does not seem to me like objective journalism but is definitely creating a certain mood, just imho.

Point taken. Can't argue with that.

[angsta]

Tell me this, if drugs are openly sold, and this sold called party is so widely known, why hasn't the Thai Government stepped in to shut all this BS down before this?

Is this another case of being paid off under the table to turn the other way

Even by TV standards this thread is amazing. None of you have ever been yet the speculation is incredible.

The days of openly selling drugs at the FMP stopped when a well known Haad Rin local was visited at the guest house she owned by Thaksins "war on drugs" Surat Thani police and she was arrested and never heard from again. They took her away, closed the place and that was the end of openly selling drugs. That photo looked 10 yrs old.

The only people who offer you drugs at these things now are the Bangkok police who come down for the weekend to make some money, hence smoking weed on the beach was something that may have happened in 2004 but not 2011. Not unless you have a spare 100k to donate to the BIB. Even in $12 hotels next to Haad rin beach the morning after. Far too risky.

Hard drugs are no easier to get at these things than they are on Phuket, Samui or Sukhumvit. In fact, lets be honest they are much easier to buy in Bangkok than Haad Rin.

I don't know how this guy died but FMP are full of idiot drunk people who fall asleep on the beach at 3am and get robbed or drop bottles and smash glass. This is partly why the FMP is so shit.

[Nisa]

A Britt dies in Thailand likely because of his over indulgence and we have to read a story that largely talks negatively about the area of Thailand where he died.

All nations have certain quirks in their culture but is not taking responsibility for ones own actions and/or needing to lay blame on others a common trait among the Britts?

What part of Thai culture is drinking cocktails out of buckets and having a menu of drugs available?

It would seem this is more of a farang past time but certainly some Thais also enjoy partying hard.

It was you he tried to call the Full Moon Party a Thai cultural quirk, wan't it?

Have fun.

I think your reading or memory skills are lacking in addition to your objective reporting.

[Puccini]

Please hold your condemnations until the complete autopsy is performed in the UK...

From the OP:

Results of a local post mortem on Andrew Lister on the nearby island of Koh Samui have not been released.

Please keep your eyes peeled for the publication of the results of the UK autopsy and once you see it, post it here, as it seems unlikely that the results of the post mortem in Thailand will be made public.

[angiud]

This picture is for sure older than 10 years, maybe around 1994/1996

[SteeleJoe]

I think your reading or memory skills are lacking in addition to your objective reporting.

I see where I must have misunderstood your reference to "cultural quirk" and I apologize.

My reading skills are generally rather high, not sure what "memory skills" are, and my "reporting" (if I understand correctly what you mean by that) is rather objective as well. But as usual you go for the insult.

OK then.

[RickBradford]

A Britt dies in Thailand likely because of his over indulgence and we have to read a story that largely talks negatively about the area of Thailand where he died.

All nations have certain quirks in their culture but is not taking responsibility for ones own actions and/or needing to lay blame on others a common trait among the Britts?

What part of Thai culture is drinking cocktails out of buckets and having a menu of drugs available?

Well, you could check this out, doesn't exactly show Thailand as the serene Buddhist paradise some might believe.

[Activo]

Obviously from the uninformed comments, most posters have never been to the FMP. It is a large scale indulgent celebration of youth and life & what's wrong with that?. Thank god there are still places where like minded people can get together and enjoy themselves, even to excess of they wish. really what harm is there in that. They're not fighting on football terraces or inner city backstreets, they're not mugging old ladies and shopkeeprs and if you'v ever been to a party or club like the FMP you would no there are no bouncers keeping the peace, no security needed. Its all very happy freindly and for the most part easy going.. I took my 19 year old son because he really wanted to go - the only hassle I had was a plain clothes copper (obviously so, from the haircut, loafers, tucked in and prressed polo shirt) tried to sell me drugs. I was 52 at the time and in the company of a freind older than me and our 3 teenage kids. So if any slagging of the party is needed, I think it should be originated from people who have at least been there. We had a great time, saw loads of over-indulgence, but no trouble. You lknockers should try it some time - its a great night/s out.

The article says this:

Police said here today that Andrew John Lister, 28, son of Edward Lister, (right) the former Tory chief of Wandsworth Council, collapsed while drinking with friends in a guest house on Haad Rin Beach last Monday….the morning after the island's monthly Full Moon Party.

As Lister collapsed at 6 am it appeared he had been drinking all night.

Seems it was the morning after the party???? That article describes a pretty crazy scene...which I'm sure is about how it is.

[sbk]

sorry to hear of another people die on the party island of kohphangan ilived there for over 4 years and while running our resort /restaurant/bar i can say during the days and nights before the party even starts almost everybode is drinking as much and strong as possible

and to hear of people die of that in this case is only because his daddy is someone important

how many people die every day because of drinking till they see crosseyed upsidedown? and still go on the motorbike to a bar or party i know that every fullmoon about 6 to 10 people die because of mainly alcohol with drug abuse

never hear about that exept when staying on the island

rip for him and all the others

Please, this is simply BS

Indeed.

[cinbkk]

move along, nothing to see here

[Bakseedaa]

Please hold your condemnations until the complete autopsy is performed in the UK. Sometimes people are born with an undiagnosed phsyical defect. The heart just stops, an aorta explodes, etc.

Although unforseen, it is expected that in a given population, people will die as a result of undiagnosed physical defects. Perhaps a state of fatigue or a high blood alcohol level may have been contributing factors, but if its a bad heart, whether it was in Thailand, or on an aeroplane or whilst sitting on the loo, when the heart stops, it stops. One only has a certain amount of time before the muscle stops working.

But now we have viagra... muscle working again...

[tombkk]

Tell me this, if drugs are openly sold, and this sold called party is so widely known, why hasn't the Thai Government stepped in to shut all this BS down before this?

Is this another case of being paid off under the table to turn the other way

Even by TV standards this thread is amazing. None of you have ever been yet the speculation is incredible.

The days of openly selling drugs at the FMP stopped when a well known Haad Rin local was visited at the guest house she owned by Thaksins "war on drugs" Surat Thani police and she was arrested and never heard from again. They took her away, closed the place and that was the end of openly selling drugs. That photo looked 10 yrs old.

The only people who offer you drugs at these things now are the Bangkok police who come down for the weekend to make some money, hence smoking weed on the beach was something that may have happened in 2004 but not 2011. Not unless you have a spare 100k to donate to the BIB. Even in $12 hotels next to Haad rin beach the morning after. Far too risky.

Hard drugs are no easier to get at these things than they are on Phuket, Samui or Sukhumvit. In fact, lets be honest they are much easier to buy in Bangkok than Haad Rin.

I don't know how this guy died but FMP are full of idiot drunk people who fall asleep on the beach at 3am and get robbed or drop bottles and smash glass. This is partly why the FMP is so shit.

You seem to know what you are talking about. Thanks for sharing your insight.

[seville]

A Britt dies in Thailand likely because of his over indulgence and we have to read a story that largely talks negatively about the area of Thailand where he died.

All nations have certain quirks in their culture but is not taking responsibility for ones own actions and/or needing to lay blame on others a common trait among the Britts?

What part of Thai culture is drinking cocktails out of buckets and having a menu of drugs available?

That photo was taken, by the looks of it, well over 8 years ago and unlikely taken on Koh Phangan.

[Mapguy]

It's sad that this fellow has died. Guess it is possible it could have been a birth defect that caused his death, as suggested above, but I wonder that drinking all night long at a full moon bash is somehow responsible behavior. I rather doubt he was running around encouraging his mates to use good judgement!

There was a news feature broadcast internationally today that Britain is noted for excessive "binge drinking." The story was broadcast because the news was that there has been a causal relationship found between such heavy drinking and cancer. Apparently, Britain is, statistically, the most affected in Europe. This news report comes after many reports of obnoxious drunk young Brits abroad especially that of football fans and Mediterranean vacationers.

Had he landed behind bars to dry out instead of dead, I doubt (given his family) he would have been overlooked by consular officials such as apparently happened in the recent past in a very, very sad case over several weeks in Pattaya.

I somehow doubt we'll hear much more officially about this incident.

Edited September 18, 2011 by Mapguy

[angiud]

A Britt dies in Thailand likely because of his over indulgence and we have to read a story that largely talks negatively about the area of Thailand where he died.

All nations have certain quirks in their culture but is not taking responsibility for ones own actions and/or needing to lay blame on others a common trait among the Britts?

What part of Thai culture is drinking cocktails out of buckets and having a menu of drugs available?

That photo was taken, by the looks of it, well over 8 years ago and unlikely taken on Koh Phangan.

No, I know the guy, he still living (much more old) in KPG now ;-)

[carenot]

Obviously from the uninformed comments, most posters have never been to the FMP. It is a large scale indulgent celebration of youth and life & what's wrong with that?. Thank god there are still places where like minded people can get together and enjoy themselves, even to excess of they wish. really what harm is there in that. They're not fighting on football terraces or inner city backstreets, they're not mugging old ladies and shopkeeprs and if you'v ever been to a party or club like the FMP you would no there are no bouncers keeping the peace, no security needed. Its all very happy freindly and for the most part easy going.. I took my 19 year old son because he really wanted to go - the only hassle I had was a plain clothes copper (obviously so, from the haircut, loafers, tucked in and prressed polo shirt) tried to sell me drugs. I was 52 at the time and in the company of a freind older than me and our 3 teenage kids. So if any slagging of the party is needed, I think it should be originated from people who have at least been there. We had a great time, saw loads of over-indulgence, but no trouble. You lknockers should try it some time - its a great night/s out.

The article says this:

Police said here today that Andrew John Lister, 28, son of Edward Lister, (right) the former Tory chief of Wandsworth Council, collapsed while drinking with friends in a guest house on Haad Rin Beach last Monday….the morning after the island's monthly Full Moon Party.

As Lister collapsed at 6 am it appeared he had been drinking all night.

Seems it was the morning after the party???? That article describes a pretty crazy scene...which I'm sure is about how it is.

Well said Activo, but sadly too many posters on TV are cretinous individuals that have no life to speak of and all they know about partying having a good time and generally living life is what they have read so I guess jealousy is their reason to knock it before they've tried it

Edited September 18, 2011 by carenot

[SteeleJoe]

Obviously from the uninformed comments, most posters have never been to the FMP. It is a large scale indulgent celebration of youth and life & what's wrong with that?. Thank god there are still places where like minded people can get together and enjoy themselves, even to excess of they wish. really what harm is there in that. They're not fighting on football terraces or inner city backstreets, they're not mugging old ladies and shopkeeprs and if you'v ever been to a party or club like the FMP you would no there are no bouncers keeping the peace, no security needed. Its all very happy freindly and for the most part easy going.. I took my 19 year old son because he really wanted to go - the only hassle I had was a plain clothes copper (obviously so, from the haircut, loafers, tucked in and prressed polo shirt) tried to sell me drugs. I was 52 at the time and in the company of a freind older than me and our 3 teenage kids. So if any slagging of the party is needed, I think it should be originated from people who have at least been there. We had a great time, saw loads of over-indulgence, but no trouble. You lknockers should try it some time - its a great night/s out.

The article says this:

Police said here today that Andrew John Lister, 28, son of Edward Lister, (right) the former Tory chief of Wandsworth Council, collapsed while drinking with friends in a guest house on Haad Rin Beach last Monday….the morning after the island's monthly Full Moon Party.

As Lister collapsed at 6 am it appeared he had been drinking all night.

Seems it was the morning after the party???? That article describes a pretty crazy scene...which I'm sure is about how it is.

Well said Activo, but sadly too many posters on TV are cretinous individuals that have no life to speak of and all they know about partying having a good time and generally living life is what they have read so I guess jealousy is their reason to knock it before they've tried it

I have no problem with people who like FMPs. But you guys who think that anyone who goes there will like it and anyone who says anything negative about them have never been to one and don't know anything about know about "partying having a good time and generally living life"...that's just stupid -- and as bigoted as the people you are describing

I spent YEARS partying in SEA, starting 30 years ago. I've done it to the max up to, including and surpassing the FMP (in the very early days and again years later). And guess what? I don't like them. Too crowded, music that has zero appeal to me (I'm not going to get into an argument about something as subjective as musical taste but that electronic one-beat stuff does nothing for me and for partying I need Hip Hop or Reggae or something with some melody) and too many dreadlocked, fisherman pants posers...

I'm not saying I think it odd or out of order that you and many others like it. But if's really foolish of you to think that everyone must or there's something wrong with them.

[luvU2much500THB]

last thing a party banger would do is sitting drinking in a 12 dollar hotel room....

i often sit with girls and friends in my cheap hotel room. drinking alcohol , smoking w€€d after a party because nobody can sleep full of amph

This is totaly normal for a party banger i dont get your point

Edited September 18, 2011 by luvU2much500THB

[peecee]

A Britt dies in Thailand likely because of his over indulgence and we have to read a story that largely talks negatively about the area of Thailand where he died.

All nations have certain quirks in their culture but is not taking responsibility for ones own actions and/or needing to lay blame on others a common trait among the Britts?

Brit kicker!

[luvU2much500THB]

A Britt dies in Thailand likely because of his over indulgence and we have to read a story that largely talks negatively about the area of Thailand where he died.

All nations have certain quirks in their culture but is not taking responsibility for ones own actions and/or needing to lay blame on others a common trait among the Britts?

What part of Thai culture is drinking cocktails out of buckets and having a menu of drugs available?

That photo was taken, by the looks of it, well over 8 years ago and unlikely taken on Koh Phangan.

That photo is a fake. Some farangs wrote something on the board to give it the thai guy for a photo thats all.

Brown Speed yeah right LOL

[tombkk]

I have no problem with people who like FMPs. But you guys who think that anyone who goes there will like it and anyone who says anything negative about them have never been to one and don't know anything about know about "partying having a good time and generally living life"...that's just stupid -- and as bigoted as the people you are describing

I spent YEARS partying in SEA, starting 30 years ago. I've done it to the max up to, including and surpassing the FMP (in the very early days and again years later). And guess what? I don't like them. Too crowded, music that has zero appeal to me (I'm not going to get into an argument about something as subjective as musical taste but that electronic one-beat stuff does nothing for me and for partying I need Hip Hop or Reggae or something with some melody) and too many dreadlocked, fisherman pants posers...

I'm not saying I think it odd or out of order that you and many others like it. But if's really foolish of you to think that everyone must or there's something wrong with them.

I too spent years partying three times per week, getting up in the morning and being fit for work. Over the years I had to limit it to the weekends and at one stage, I suddeny found the music too loud and didn't enjoy it any more. This is especially true about techno music which I found really great when it first became popular. Like you, I now prefer hip hop.

I have nothing against "fisherman pant posers", I was a backpacker myself. today, I wouldn't be caught in such pants.

What I'm saying is: We are getting older, and that's OK. Those who are still partying are younger, let them listen to the music they like (they wouldn't come if they didn't like techno) and wear the clothes they want.

I agree with the poster who said that the FMP is a celebration of life, and that it is much safer than many a football game.

[BigC]

what has the picture of the prison got to do with a death of someone that has reported to have died from a medical condition and the person carrying a cli board with drugs menu.

anyone could be behinde that picture. i could write a menu and get someone to take a picture of it.

Those pictures were aimed to put a bad picture on the full moon marty when the party islef seems like it was not to blame.

So why gove bad press when bad behavier from the full moon ws not to blame infact no behavier from fulll moon was to blame.

i am sorry fro the loss but if he died from a medical condition then those picture are a mis interpritation of the inccodent