Thai Student Nazi Dress-Up Day Causes Outrage

[F1fanatic]

Top row then: from left:

John Lennon, Mao, George W, Mr Bean?

Bottom row from left:

Bin Laden, ?,Obama, Thaksin, Beckham.

Incidentally I know at the Sscred Heart Scholls in Bangkok they're all talking about the Chiang Mai school and they DO

learn about the nazis.

I think I've located their syllabus material.

Agree, a great movie but somehow I suspect those Thai children and teachers won't 'get it'!

[TigerWan]

This is not glorifying Nazism but was meant as a satirical commentary on glorifying war. Look at eh characters on the banner Chairman Mao, Bush and Bin Laden among others. All men who killed for political gain.

[Nisa]

This is not glorifying Nazism but was meant as a satirical commentary on glorifying war. Look at eh characters on the banner Chairman Mao, Bush and Bin Laden among others. All men who killed for political gain.

You will have a hard time selling this to some on this board who have no issue with painting all Thais with a negative brush but then go on with their faux outrage over this incident because of Hitler's extreme racism.

[Kananga]

This is not glorifying Nazism but was meant as a satirical commentary on glorifying war. Look at eh characters on the banner Chairman Mao, Bush and Bin Laden among others. All men who killed for political gain.

You will have a hard time selling this to some on this board who have no issue with painting all Thais with a negative brush but then go on with their faux outrage over this incident because of Hitler's extreme racism.

~~~painting all Thais with a negative brush~~~

Is this a clever play on words on your part? I'm guessing not, but there is always hope.

[F1fanatic]

This is not glorifying Nazism but was meant as a satirical commentary on glorifying war. Look at eh characters on the banner Chairman Mao, Bush and Bin Laden among others. All men who killed for political gain.

You will have a hard time selling this to some on this board who have no issue with painting all Thais with a negative brush but then go on with their faux outrage over this incident because of Hitler's extreme racism.

Perhaps the pair of you should continue this argument by PM??

[WarpSpeed]

Did anyone ever figure out who all the people were on the big banner with the picture of Hitler, planes, and 9 people seig heiling? Looks like Osama, Thaksin, Mao... maybe Che? Bush?

Top line far left = John Lennon (A prominent Nazi)

Bottom line far right = David Beckham (Renowned for his fascist right foot)

Top line far right = Mr Bean (The cornerstone of the Thai education system)

Top row 2nd left = Mao

Top row 2nd right = Dubya

Top line left Gaddafi probably?

Someone already mentioned likely John Lennon which I tend to agree which also begs more of a question I already posed earlier is, how could they have made the comparison and posed the additional added characters without having a background on the primary topic of Nazisim? This is also further emphasizes why you can't just unleash students on such a project without some supervision and guidance if that wasn't done then someone needs to stand up and take responsibility and stop acting like a coward, it's conveying the wrong message again to the students about not accepting responsibility for your actions..

If it was done with the admins knowledge and they're hiding behind the students by saying they didn't know it's wrong on both accounts but down right disgracful to hide behind them..

[Thai at Heart]

For those who thought that top left was John Lennon, I think it is far more probably someone much closer to home

Sek Loso

[Nisa]

Did anyone ever figure out who all the people were on the big banner with the picture of Hitler, planes, and 9 people seig heiling? Looks like Osama, Thaksin, Mao... maybe Che? Bush?

Top line far left = John Lennon (A prominent Nazi)

Bottom line far right = David Beckham (Renowned for his fascist right foot)

Top line far right = Mr Bean (The cornerstone of the Thai education system)

Top row 2nd left = Mao

Top row 2nd right = Dubya

Top line left Gaddafi probably?

How about Junichiro Koizumi ... somebody they are likely much more familiar with.

[WarpSpeed]

This is not glorifying Nazism but was meant as a satirical commentary on glorifying war. Look at eh characters on the banner Chairman Mao, Bush and Bin Laden among others. All men who killed for political gain.

Yes satire ..

[WarpSpeed]

For those who thought that top left was John Lennon, I think it is far more probably someone much closer to home

Sek Loso

Lost me, how would he figure into the surrounding company?

Edited September 29, 2011 by WarpSpeed

[MaxYakov]

For those who thought that top left was John Lennon, I think it is far more probably someone much closer to home

Sek Loso

I guess It's plausible, but didn't see anything in their Wiki entry that would justify such a banner of honor. Maybe it's a Rowan Atkinson type reference (Mr. Bean). Someone had identified it as Ghadafi. It's uncanny how Ghadafi might be mistaken for a rock musician or vice versa. I say there's not enough gold braid on his uniform, albeit Nazi, for it to be him. We still have 2 or 3 unidentified pseudo-Nazis on the bottom row. Should we call or email the school's Director to get an accurate identification?

[Thai at Heart]

For those who thought that top left was John Lennon, I think it is far more probably someone much closer to home

Sek Loso

Lost me, how would he fit into the surrounding company?

Not sure, but why would John Lennon be up there? As for Thai kids wanting to pick a pop star to put up there for the "fun" of it, do you reckon they would pick John Lennon? if they had put At Karabao up there, but not in nazi uniform doing his krating daerng sign, it could almost have been considered humorous.

[Pakboong]

This is so simple, it has to be wrong but here goes.

Thai's did not have the benefit (if one can call it that) of well over 100 movies and TV shows from which to develop our level of understanding. It does seem ridiculous to to think of Movies as education but our understanding of the Nazis is not from school, it is from theatre. I have undergraduate history and of course High School History and do not recall what was mentioned about the Nazi's from any of that study. I do however recall many movies on the subject. I seriously doubt that any of the rest of us gained what we know from our school studies.

Imagine a Thai movie producer trying to cast a movie on the European theater in WW2. He would have trouble finding somebody who could grow Hitler's mustache much less an actor who could actually play the role. They had virtually no exposure and thus no interest in the subject. And seriously, no real reason to think they should.

I would think the number of Thais who watch the history channel on UBC would be quite small if any at all.

[WarpSpeed]

For those who thought that top left was John Lennon, I think it is far more probably someone much closer to home

Sek Loso

Lost me, how would he fit into the surrounding company?

Not sure, but why would John Lennon be up there? As for Thai kids wanting to pick a pop star to put up there for the "fun" of it, do you reckon they would pick John Lennon? if they had put At Karabao up there, but not in nazi uniform doing his krating daerng sign, it could almost have been considered humorous.

Well John Lennon was at least a well known socialist and some say Nazi follower. Is this one of the group of singers in that Thai Nazi video? I don't know? I'm just asking as that's surely possible... Then the connection would be clear.

Edited September 29, 2011 by WarpSpeed

[F1fanatic]

But there is a clear connection between Catholicism and Hitler - if my 'history' serves me correctly.

So perhaps its not that suprising that a Catholic school in Thailand can see nothing wrong with prancing about as nazis.

[Kananga]

This is so simple, it has to be wrong but here goes.

Thai's did not have the benefit (if one can call it that) of well over 100 movies and TV shows from which to develop our level of understanding. It does seem ridiculous to to think of Movies as education but our understanding of the Nazis is not from school, it is from theatre. I have undergraduate history and of course High School History and do not recall what was mentioned about the Nazi's from any of that study. I do however recall many movies on the subject. I seriously doubt that any of the rest of us gained what we know from our school studies.

Imagine a Thai movie producer trying to cast a movie on the European theater in WW2. He would have trouble finding somebody who could grow Hitler's mustache much less an actor who could actually play the role. They had virtually no exposure and thus no interest in the subject. And seriously, no real reason to think they should.

I would think the number of Thais who watch the history channel on UBC would be quite small if any at all.

I'm sure that Thailands exposure to Catholicism would have been quite small as well, but there you go. I'm sure you can excuse anything if you try hard enough.

[Nisa]

This is so simple, it has to be wrong but here goes.

Thai's did not have the benefit (if one can call it that) of well over 100 movies and TV shows from which to develop our level of understanding. It does seem ridiculous to to think of Movies as education but our understanding of the Nazis is not from school, it is from theatre. I have undergraduate history and of course High School History and do not recall what was mentioned about the Nazi's from any of that study. I do however recall many movies on the subject. I seriously doubt that any of the rest of us gained what we know from our school studies.

Imagine a Thai movie producer trying to cast a movie on the European theater in WW2. He would have trouble finding somebody who could grow Hitler's mustache much less an actor who could actually play the role. They had virtually no exposure and thus no interest in the subject. And seriously, no real reason to think they should.

I would think the number of Thais who watch the history channel on UBC would be quite small if any at all.

I'm sure that Thailands exposure to Catholicism would have been quite small as well, but there you go. I'm sure you can excuse anything if you try hard enough.

excuse or forgive and/or understand?

Itzhak Shoham, the Israeli ambassador to Thailand, told AFP that he thought the Nazi parade took place "out of ignorance, not out of bad intentions," adding that "many people here in Asia are not aware of what happened in Europe."

[RegularReader]

For those who thought that top left was John Lennon, I think it is far more probably someone much closer to home

Sek Loso

Lost me, how would he fit into the surrounding company?

Not sure, but why would John Lennon be up there? As for Thai kids wanting to pick a pop star to put up there for the "fun" of it, do you reckon they would pick John Lennon? if they had put At Karabao up there, but not in nazi uniform doing his krating daerng sign, it could almost have been considered humorous.

Well John Lennon was at least a well known socialist and some say Nazi follower. Is this one of the group of singers in that Thai Nazi video? I don't know? I'm just asking as that's surely possible... Then the connection would be clear.

Doubt there was any intentional use of John Lennon, Mr. Bean or David Beckham for any "political reasons". They just looked good when hunting for familiar faces, on the internet.

It's almost certainly not Sek Loso.

My guess is, the Lennon one is copied from a very well known head shot of him, which appeared on one of his album covers (A Greatest Hits released in many countries, I think? Can't find Googling).

[F1fanatic]

I repeat an earlier post - "Yes, its impossible to imagine how a group that were imposed and 'planted' in a foreign nation - could understand that those that previously occupied that land might have a grievance.

Meanwhile the 'planted' group of people have to contend with suicide bombers whilst the indigenous group have to contend with FAR superior military power.

Always a disaster in the happening.... Coming from the UK I've seen something similar with the IRA."

They are as bad as each other and I have no time for fanatics on either side that are keeping this going.

[WarpSpeed]

This is so simple, it has to be wrong but here goes.

Thai's did not have the benefit (if one can call it that) of well over 100 movies and TV shows from which to develop our level of understanding. It does seem ridiculous to to think of Movies as education but our understanding of the Nazis is not from school, it is from theatre. I have undergraduate history and of course High School History and do not recall what was mentioned about the Nazi's from any of that study. I do however recall many movies on the subject. I seriously doubt that any of the rest of us gained what we know from our school studies.

Imagine a Thai movie producer trying to cast a movie on the European theater in WW2. He would have trouble finding somebody who could grow Hitler's mustache much less an actor who could actually play the role. They had virtually no exposure and thus no interest in the subject. And seriously, no real reason to think they should.

I would think the number of Thais who watch the history channel on UBC would be quite small if any at all.

Yes but they haven't been stuck in the dark ages there have still been a number of acclaimed recent movies on the topic in mainstream theater including Brad Pitt in Inglorious basterds, Tom Cruise in Valkyrie, Jude Law in Enemy at the Gates, Schindlers List and most poignantly The pianist with Adrien Brody so it's not like there hasn't been any in recent modern history..

[F1fanatic]

This is so simple, it has to be wrong but here goes.

Thai's did not have the benefit (if one can call it that) of well over 100 movies and TV shows from which to develop our level of understanding. It does seem ridiculous to to think of Movies as education but our understanding of the Nazis is not from school, it is from theatre. I have undergraduate history and of course High School History and do not recall what was mentioned about the Nazi's from any of that study. I do however recall many movies on the subject. I seriously doubt that any of the rest of us gained what we know from our school studies.

Imagine a Thai movie producer trying to cast a movie on the European theater in WW2. He would have trouble finding somebody who could grow Hitler's mustache much less an actor who could actually play the role. They had virtually no exposure and thus no interest in the subject. And seriously, no real reason to think they should.

I would think the number of Thais who watch the history channel on UBC would be quite small if any at all.

Yes but they haven't been stuck in the dark ages there have still been a number of acclaimed recent movies on the topic in mainstream theater including Brad Pitt in Inglorious basterds, Tom Cruise in Valkyrie, Jude Law in Enemy at the Gates, Schindlers List and most poignantly The pianist with Adrien Brody so it's not like there hasn't been any in recent modern history..

Personally, I found 'Inglorious basterds' a movie that should never have been made - it was that bad IMO.

I doubt many Thais saw any of them.

Edited September 29, 2011 by F1fanatic

[Thai at Heart]

For those who thought that top left was John Lennon, I think it is far more probably someone much closer to home

Sek Loso

Lost me, how would he fit into the surrounding company?

Not sure, but why would John Lennon be up there? As for Thai kids wanting to pick a pop star to put up there for the "fun" of it, do you reckon they would pick John Lennon? if they had put At Karabao up there, but not in nazi uniform doing his krating daerng sign, it could almost have been considered humorous.

Well John Lennon was at least a well known socialist and some say Nazi follower. Is this one of the group of singers in that Thai Nazi video? I don't know? I'm just asking as that's surely possible... Then the connection would be clear.

For a bloke who wrote "Imagine" I think the whole conspiracy theory that John Lennon was a Nazi, all very difficult to believe. Trying to search it on google just leads to a lot of conspiracy websites, which doesn't mean it is true, but if he was a nazi follower, he did a dam_n good job of hiding it. I mean why marry an Asian in that case, just to fool everyone?

[F1fanatic]

This is so simple, it has to be wrong but here goes.

Thai's did not have the benefit (if one can call it that) of well over 100 movies and TV shows from which to develop our level of understanding. It does seem ridiculous to to think of Movies as education but our understanding of the Nazis is not from school, it is from theatre. I have undergraduate history and of course High School History and do not recall what was mentioned about the Nazi's from any of that study. I do however recall many movies on the subject. I seriously doubt that any of the rest of us gained what we know from our school studies.

Imagine a Thai movie producer trying to cast a movie on the European theater in WW2. He would have trouble finding somebody who could grow Hitler's mustache much less an actor who could actually play the role. They had virtually no exposure and thus no interest in the subject. And seriously, no real reason to think they should.

I would think the number of Thais who watch the history channel on UBC would be quite small if any at all.

Yes but they haven't been stuck in the dark ages there have still been a number of acclaimed recent movies on the topic in mainstream theater including Brad Pitt in Inglorious basterds, Tom Cruise in Valkyrie, Jude Law in Enemy at the Gates, Schindlers List and most poignantly The pianist with Adrien Brody so it's not like there hasn't been any in recent modern history..

Personally, I found 'Inglorious basterds' a movie that should never have been made - it was that bad IMO.

I doubt many Thais saw any of them.

Regardless, the source was there and available.. Easy to claim ignorance if one buries thier head in the sand..

Have you bothered watching any Thai movies?? I know I haven't,

[Jingthing]

Personally, I found 'Inglorious basterds' a movie that should never have been made - it was that bad IMO.

I doubt many Thais saw any of them.

Well, most film critics including me totally disagree with you! Inglorious basterds is a great film by a great director. It did indeed play in Thai theaters and when I saw it here it was definitely doing well. However, it is NOT the film to watch for a historical background of WW2. It is purely entertainment. I sure am glad it's not you in charge of what movies get the green light.

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090819/REVIEWS/908199995/1023

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/inglourious_basterds/

Edited September 29, 2011 by Jingthing

[metisdead]

Off topic posts and replies have been removed.

[F1fanatic]

Personally, I found 'Inglorious basterds' a movie that should never have been made - it was that bad IMO.

I doubt many Thais saw any of them.

Well, most film critics including me totally disagree with you! Inglorious basterds is a great film by a great director. It did indeed play in Thai theaters and when I saw it here it was definitely doing well. However, it is NOT the film to watch for a historical background of WW2. It is purely entertainment. I sure am glad it's not you in charge of what movies get the green light.

http://rogerebert.su.../908199995/1023

http://www.rottentom...rious_basterds/

Fair enough. I was expressing my personal opinion that I thought it was rubbish.

[WarpSpeed]

Yes but they haven't been stuck in the dark ages there have still been a number of acclaimed recent movies on the topic in mainstream theater including Brad Pitt in Inglorious basterds, Tom Cruise in Valkyrie, Jude Law in Enemy at the Gates, Schindlers List and most poignantly The pianist with Adrien Brody so it's not like there hasn't been any in recent modern history..

Personally, I found 'Inglorious basterds' a movie that should never have been made - it was that bad IMO.

I doubt many Thais saw any of them.

Regardless, the source was there and available.. Easy to claim ignorance if one buries thier head in the sand..

Have you bothered watching any Thai movies?? I know I haven't,

Nope, do you watch any movies produced in Hollywood? See the difference?

Edit; Actually I did watch this strange move in English about a past famous Portuguese or Spanish explorer that was instrumental in Thai history but can't remember much more even though I found it interesting enough to see it twice.

[WarpSpeed]

Lost me, how would he fit into the surrounding company?

Not sure, but why would John Lennon be up there? As for Thai kids wanting to pick a pop star to put up there for the "fun" of it, do you reckon they would pick John Lennon? if they had put At Karabao up there, but not in nazi uniform doing his krating daerng sign, it could almost have been considered humorous.

Well John Lennon was at least a well known socialist and some say Nazi follower. Is this one of the group of singers in that Thai Nazi video? I don't know? I'm just asking as that's surely possible... Then the connection would be clear.

For a bloke who wrote "Imagine" I think the whole conspiracy theory that John Lennon was a Nazi, all very difficult to believe. Trying to search it on google just leads to a lot of conspiracy websites, which doesn't mean it is true, but if he was a nazi follower, he did a dam_n good job of hiding it. I mean why marry an Asian in that case, just to fool everyone?

Nope but as you can see it's not my claim, it's just a mention of "some" saying he was a follower..

[SAffer]

Well, John Lennon married an Asian, but not just any Asian- a Japanese... so the thing about him being a Nazi follower could hold some water, no?

[WarpSpeed]

Personally, I found 'Inglorious basterds' a movie that should never have been made - it was that bad IMO.

I doubt many Thais saw any of them.

Well, most film critics including me totally disagree with you! Inglorious basterds is a great film by a great director. It did indeed play in Thai theaters and when I saw it here it was definitely doing well. However, it is NOT the film to watch for a historical background of WW2. It is purely entertainment. I sure am glad it's not you in charge of what movies get the green light.

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090819/REVIEWS/908199995/1023

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/inglourious_basterds/

I agree it's not a film for it's historical value but I was making a point that WWII movies have not dropped off the map if one wanted to find them all of these have also recently been played on cable as well.. And the Pianist was very much an accurate representation of the war and the atrocities and dehumanizing humiliation that was imposed...

I also agree that ANY film is subject in it's entertainment value..