Democrat Dismisses Jatuporn Claims That Floods Are Politically Motivated

[Who, me ?]

He is just a twit, for only a twit could come up with such a pulled-by-the-hair, ludicrous, utterly surreal accusation that anyone (whatever 'colour' or political agenda they may follow) has "caused" the flooding.

Or have I missed something? Is he actually claiming that "certain parties" may have deliberately opened the flood walls, deliberately withheld emergency assistance and rescue operations? Even that thought would be insane.

It's high time for this man to be committed to a closed psychiatric institution, really.

It's really long past that time.

Yes, he is essentially implying the Dems are ruining the country to bring down Yingluck.

But if you consider what his side was willing to do to bring down Abhisit, how hard is it to imagine he figures his enemies think just like he does? They had no problem causing deaths and destruction to the country to win, and blame them on their enemies, why wouldn't he think anyone else would be nicer than that.

It is the thoughts of a deranged amoral mind.

It could also be said that the the Army last April/May caused deaths and blamed them on their enemies (though actually in this case it was the democrats who claimed that the army had shot nobody therefore the red/blacks must have done it).

Did you claim then that these were the thoughts of (a) deranged amoral mind/s?

Here we go again.... Aren't you tired to spread the same sh*t again and again? Get a life.

[piete121]

I didn't realise that Thai TV had bought the franchise to show Saturday Night Live - Thai Style. First 'Celebrity' to lead it off - Jatuporn. He's just getting this joke out early to gauge how successful he'll be with his other insane jokes!!

[Mosha]

Just think, in a couple of weeks, the reds will be claiming credit for the end of the rainy season.

[metisdead]

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[koosdeboer]

He is just a twit, for only a twit could come up with such a pulled-by-the-hair, ludicrous, utterly surreal accusation that anyone (whatever 'colour' or political agenda they may follow) has "caused" the flooding.

Or have I missed something? Is he actually claiming that "certain parties" may have deliberately opened the flood walls, deliberately withheld emergency assistance and rescue operations? Even that thought would be insane.

It's high time for this man to be committed to a closed psychiatric institution, really.

It's really long past that time.

Yes, he is essentially implying the Dems are ruining the country to bring down Yingluck.

But if you consider what his side was willing to do to bring down Abhisit, how hard is it to imagine he figures his enemies think just like he does? They had no problem causing deaths and destruction to the country to win, and blame them on their enemies, why wouldn't he think anyone else would be nicer than that.

It is the thoughts of a deranged amoral mind.

It could also be said that the the Army last April/May caused deaths and blamed them on their enemies (though actually in this case it was the democrats who claimed that the army had shot nobody therefore the red/blacks must have done it).

Did you claim then that these were the thoughts of (a) deranged amoral mind/s?

Is your real name Jatuporn?

[jayboy]

Condemning outright is something some people seem to struggle with.

Nobody is suggesting leadership has been good.However it's just part of the problem notably far too many agencies involved - as the UN report pointed out - and shockingly bad water management over decades.I hope I'm allowed to point out that HM has been warning of the problems for Bangkok for many years.His excellent advice has not apparently been taken.If you want to get off on abusing the the present administration, that's your call.I would have thought the responsibility lies with several leaders including both Thaksin and Abhisit for neglecting the core problems, and of course the current one for dithering.

[gl555]

He is just a twit, for only a twit could come up with such a pulled-by-the-hair, ludicrous, utterly surreal accusation that anyone (whatever 'colour' or political agenda they may follow) has "caused" the flooding.

Or have I missed something? Is he actually claiming that "certain parties" may have deliberately opened the flood walls, deliberately withheld emergency assistance and rescue operations? Even that thought would be insane.

It's high time for this man to be committed to a closed psychiatric institution, really.

It's really long past that time.

Yes, he is essentially implying the Dems are ruining the country to bring down Yingluck.

But if you consider what his side was willing to do to bring down Abhisit, how hard is it to imagine he figures his enemies think just like he does? They had no problem causing deaths and destruction to the country to win, and blame them on their enemies, why wouldn't he think anyone else would be nicer than that.

It is the thoughts of a deranged amoral mind.

It could also be said that the the Army last April/May caused deaths and blamed them on their enemies (though actually in this case it was the democrats who claimed that the army had shot nobody therefore the red/blacks must have done it).

Did you claim then that these were the thoughts of (a) deranged amoral mind/s?

You Reds aren't the sharpest tools in the box are you?

[Maeklong]

What is Jatuporn implying ?? That Mother Nature is a yellow shirt?

[rixalex]

Condemning outright is something some people seem to struggle with.

Nobody is suggesting leadership has been good.

Perhaps not, but there has been a seeming reluctance to call it bad, which surely you can not deny, it has been at times. Man up. Call a spade a spade. Stop dithering around trying to look to spread the blame to others. Yes, in terms of preventing this happening, or lessening its severity, the blame lies with many, but in terms of managing the crisis, in terms of making the day to day decisions, in terms of getting help to the people who need it, in terms of keeping people informed... all that responsibility, lies squarely with the current government and with them alone.

[jayboy]

Perhaps not, but there has been a seeming reluctance to call it bad, which surely you can not deny, it has been at times. Man up. Call a spade a spade. Stop dithering around trying to look to spread the blame to others. Yes, in terms of preventing this happening, or lessening its severity, the blame lies with many, but in terms of managing the crisis, in terms of making the day to day decisions, in terms of getting help to the people who need it, in terms of keeping people informed... all that responsibility, lies squarely with the current government and with them alone.

Of course since the current crisis the responsibility lies with the government and the relevant agencies.As I previously implied the quality of leadership has been poor.

However some seem to have a problem - "Stop dithering around trying to look to spread the blame to others" etc in understanding the context of this failure.

I have previously on this forum pointed out the hatred and bile which seemed inappropriate at a time of crisis.A certain mindset appears to prefer a cataclysmic disaster if somehow the present government can be damaged.

[ramrod711]

Jatuporn is a thoughtless ideologue.

Nothing more nothing less.

i'm truly sorry but i must disagree with you about the nothing less part. he is certainly less than bright.

[Derifo]

The sooner this guy is locked up and the keys thrown away the better.

You're right, but is there anyone man enough to do it?

[rixalex]

Of course since the current crisis the responsibility lies with the government and the relevant agencies.As I previously implied the quality of leadership has been poor.

Implied? Yes well, you have hinted at it, but then hastily rushed on to point your finger in other directions.

I have previously on this forum pointed out the hatred and bile which seemed inappropriate at a time of crisis.A certain mindset appears to prefer a cataclysmic disaster if somehow the present government can be damaged.

That's a very insulting thing to suggest. I pray for the well-being of all.

[ES1]

I agree that Jatuporn was COMPLETELY off-the-wall with his comments. That's what is so completely disgraceful here: grown-up adults who think and act like this during this time.

The game the Dems are playing is to respond to it at all - a Dem response could add nothing. Again, completely irresponsible at a time like this.

Why aren't all of them out filling sandbags?

Both Jatuporn and the democrats are playing wild poltical games at inappropriate times. But neither will stop in case the other side doest too. The blame and popularity game is too important it seems even at a time of tragedy for all.

What are the democrats playing?

When the opposition party is attacked with ridiculous claims it is completely appropriate to respond regardless of what is going on. You are only making yourself look foolish by making these repeated "both sides are doing it" claims.

Edited October 21, 2011 by ES1

[tlansford]

He is just a twit, for only a twit could come up with such a pulled-by-the-hair, ludicrous, utterly surreal accusation that anyone (whatever 'colour' or political agenda they may follow) has "caused" the flooding.

Or have I missed something? Is he actually claiming that "certain parties" may have deliberately opened the flood walls, deliberately withheld emergency assistance and rescue operations? Even that thought would be insane.

It's high time for this man to be committed to a closed psychiatric institution, really.

It's really long past that time.

Yes, he is essentially implying the Dems are ruining the country to bring down Yingluck.

But if you consider what his side was willing to do to bring down Abhisit, how hard is it to imagine he figures his enemies think just like he does? They had no problem causing deaths and destruction to the country to win, and blame them on their enemies, why wouldn't he think anyone else would be nicer than that.

It is the thoughts of a deranged amoral mind.

It could also be said that the the Army last April/May caused deaths and blamed them on their enemies (though actually in this case it was the democrats who claimed that the army had shot nobody therefore the red/blacks must have done it).

Did you claim then that these were the thoughts of (a) deranged amoral mind/s?

Here we go again.... Aren't you tired to spread the same sh*t again and again? Get a life.

you guys are drifting ...

aren't you?

And simply pointing to the references where AV says the military was responsible should be adequate to end such postings. It certainly ended ozmick's repetitive "caretaker PM who failed to call elections" rants regarding the coup.

[tlansford]

Both Jatuporn and the democrats are playing wild poltical games at inappropriate times. But neither will stop in case the other side doest too. The blame and popularity game is too important it seems even at a time of tragedy for all.

Apparently true, and I agree that neither side is stopping - apparently afraid to be the first to show integrity and risk being the only one to do so.

And, ... TAN strikes again, however, as there is no mention of what Jatuporn actually said. Is it too much to ask for them to quote the person they lampoon?

I searched but did not find a current reference to Jatuporn's comments. References to his actual statement would be appreciated.

And his conspiracy theory is already a month old...

[phiphidon]

It could also be said that the the Army last April/May caused deaths and blamed them on their enemies (though actually in this case it was the democrats who claimed that the army had shot nobody therefore the red/blacks must have done it).

Did you claim then that these were the thoughts of (a) deranged amoral mind/s?

Please try engage your brain cell before posting. And read back on the history, dont try and rewrite it. That is the Thai way and does not work here.

In reply to your rude post you may recall this incident

Shot with high-velocity bullets

Anti-government protesters killed in street clashes on Saturday were shot with high-velocitybullets, according to police pathologists.

Autopsies on 11 bodies found nine died from gunshot wounds to the head or chest. Oneman died from heart failure. The final body was that of Japanese cameraman Hiro Muramoto, who was shot in the chest. His cause of death was not disclosed.

The Thai government denied soldiers fired live rounds. "Weapons were only used in self-defence and to fire into the air," said government spokesman Panitan Wattanayagorn. "We have found no evidence that soldiers used weapons against the people," said a spokesman.

So according to the Government the Army didn't fire weapons but still Thais died. Must be Red Shirts then, lo and behold,

Red Shirts Shooting at Civilians in Bangkok

There were about five to ten armed men firing at innocent people from a building near the Century Hotel, Col Sansern Kaewkamnerd, Centre for the Resolution of Emergency Situation (CRES) spokesman,said on Monday night.

These men dressed like soldiers, he said.

According to Col Sansern, they fired shots from the 24th floor of Cheewathai building.

Authoritieswere trying to pressure them but the operation was done with difficulty because the building was under construction, he said.

Col Sansern also said that these armed men must be supporters of the red-shirts, because no one can enter the area except red-shirt protesters

http://heffernan-inc...tail-13542.html

Well thats that then, the Government CRES Spokesman says it's true, then it's the truth. And I haven't even mentioned Sutheps excuse for the deaths being that the Red Shirt supporters "ran into bullets"

[ETatBKK]

ha ha ha . . . Act of God : to be more explicit - overthrow the government by purposely letting the floods happen :jap:

Deputy Spokesperson for the Democrat Party Atthaporn Polabutr reacted to remarks made by Pheu Thai Party list MP and key red-shirt leader Jatuporn Phromphan that the current flood crisis is actually caused by a group of people who want to overthrow the government.

hmm . . . Act Of God ?

Personally, I don't class this as an "Act of God" although I'm sure insurance companies will categorize it that way so they can deny claims.

I consider much of the situation in Thailand MAN MADE.

What goes around comes around.

What Jatuporn is claiming isn't mismanagement. What he's claiming is that there is a conspiracy to overthrow the government by PURPOSELY letting the floods happen. While this is probably the most ridiculous thing he's ever spewed, let's not forget that his audience aren't the smartest of people around. Also, when people have lost their homes or are about to lose their homes to the floods, they want someone to blame and when you have some moron on radio claiming it was done by the Dems on purpose, you can bet they'll blame the Dems no matter how ridiculous it sounds.

[phiphidon]

I think we are all well aware of the selective amnesia that phiphidon suffers from regarding his icons, the Red Shirts and their terrorist activities .

Are all of you well aware? I may suggest reading my reply.

[tlansford]

-- snip --

Please try engage your brain cell before posting. And read back on the history, dont try and rewrite it. That is the Thai way and does not work here.

In reply to your rude post you may recall this incident

Shot with high-velocity bullets

Anti-government protesters killed in street clashes on Saturday were shot with high-velocitybullets, according to police pathologists.

Autopsies on 11 bodies found nine died from gunshot wounds to the head or chest. Oneman died from heart failure. The final body was that of Japanese cameraman Hiro Muramoto, who was shot in the chest. His cause of death was not disclosed.

The Thai government denied soldiers fired live rounds. "Weapons were only used in self-defence and to fire into the air," said government spokesman Panitan Wattanayagorn. "We have found no evidence that soldiers used weapons against the people," said a spokesman.

So according to the Government the Army didn't fire weapons but still Thais died. Must be Red Shirts then, lo and behold,

Red Shirts Shooting at Civilians in Bangkok

There were about five to ten armed men firing at innocent people from a building near the Century Hotel, Col Sansern Kaewkamnerd, Centre for the Resolution of Emergency Situation (CRES) spokesman,said on Monday night.

These men dressed like soldiers, he said.

According to Col Sansern, they fired shots from the 24th floor of Cheewathai building.

Authoritieswere trying to pressure them but the operation was done with difficulty because the building was under construction, he said.

Col Sansern also said that these armed men must be supporters of the red-shirts, because no one can enter the area except red-shirt protesters

http://heffernan-inc...tail-13542.html

Well thats that then, the Government CRES Spokesman says it's true, then it's the truth. And I haven't even mentioned Sutheps excuse for the deaths being that the Red Shirt supporters "ran into bullets"

Phiphidon, no, no, no, that is all wrong... you are supposed to let HIM prove YOU to be WRONG, so that we can all finally stop talking about the fact that protesters were killed by the military last year without having to resort to the 7 year old's argument of "yeah, but daddy, THEY had hand grenades..."

[Footloose1949]

It seems that I do not have the option of starting a new thread/topic, but maybe, someone who has that ability on reading this will heed some of what I say and start one covering the last couple of paragraphs in this reply?

As far as I am aware, no country, government, political party, or politician has the technology to 'manufacture' the heavy rain that has caused the flooding, though it has to be said that in some countries (recently, the barriers which should have been finished decades before in the US) the mismanagement/delays in instigating flood protection schemes, have caused flooding. Since Bangkok, did in fact implement a flood protection scheme, which presumably and unfortunately the designers (Thames Water?) did not build into it, a sufficiently over-the-top safety margin, for flooding well beyond what has ever been experienced before, Bangkok is now in the position it now finds itself in.

A second point is that the Thai culture very much revolves around 'saving face', to the point that it impacts on officials/ governments acting/ responding in ways that societies which don't use this principle, would employ in emergencies like this. I cite as a prime example, Japan when the reactors were damaged. Thailand has never had the deep pockets that europe and the US have, so foreign commentators should not automatically expect the same levels of response they would expect their own 'home' countries to implement in similar situations.

I'm certainly NOT into 'knocking' what the Thai government and it's officials have already done, after all, this is a situation which though in some ways predictable, is way beyond anything that has ever been experienced before and probably well beyond the levels of flooding that the designers of the system to run off the flood water, ever expected in 1000 years.

Maybe some people here have heard of the 'Carrot and Stick' principle, and so far on here, I've seen a lot of the latter, and little of the former. maybe if the the detractors (living in Thailand) actually got out of their comfortable chairs and started posting things about how they have helped the communities they live in, acted as impartial moderators between the various political factions so that the average Thai doesn't end up thinking they have to face up to this on their own, feel less marginalised and powerless in this truly horrible situation.

[ozzieman05]

What is Jatuporn implying ?? That Mother Nature is a yellow shirt?

The secret is finally put

The Red shirts always claimed that the democrats had people helping that who where in high places

I always wondered who ????

But never thought it was someone this Hight

Democrats ask God to flood Thailand

God says

No Worries Mate

[nong38]

Jataporn is at best a crank or a loose cannon. A boon to the democrats and a liability to the government and not what the country need at this time.

[TheOnceler]

Jatuporn is a thoughtless ideologue.

Nothing more nothing less.

That's giving him too much credit.

[MILT]

Jatuporn

[Buchholz]

hammered said:

*quote*

Both Jatuporn and the democrats are playing wild poltical games at inappropriate times. But neither will stop in case the other side doest too. The blame and popularity game is too important it seems even at a time of tragedy for all.

*unquote*

arfamo73 said:

*quote*

I don't agree. Jutaporn is a born troublemaker and I am sure he has a political agenda. Whereas the Democrats are merely pointing out that he is talking through his rear end. However having read your many posts on TV I am aware where your thoughts lie.

*unquote*

That's the intriguing factor. The Hammered of old would have never made that post.

From his first two posts in reference to Jatuporn :

... more TRT Party shenanigans...

Ramkamhaeng University students ask TRT to stop interfering

Thai Rak Thai deputy spokesman Jatuporn Promphan reacted angrily on Wednesday after a group of Ramkhamhaeng University students visited the party headquarters and demanded he stop intervening in the university's activities.

Some 20 students lead by student organisation chairman Somchote Meechana yesterday submitted a letter to the Thai Rak Thai caretaker leader Chaturon Chaisang, asking the party to stop interfering with the students. But Jatuporn received the letter himself.

The students also brought a banner that read "We demand political groups to stop interfering with the student's organisation".

Jatuporn denied he had asked the Sattha Dharma party to assist the Thai Rak Thai party in protesting against the junta. The Sattha Dharma party is a student group contesting the student elections.

Jatuporn, a former Ramkhamhaeng student, was earlier accused of hiring Ramkhamhaeng students to protest against the junta appointed government.

"I want you to think it over if you ever met the junta and received money or not. I want you swear to me that you did not lie," he said angrily.

He then admitted he was a former Sattha Dharmma party member - having denied any knowledge of the group two days ago - and said he was always invited to lecture when the student organisation elections were held.

Somchote countered Jatuporn saying that he and the other students had come to the Thai Rak Thai the party headquarters because it was a duty of the student organisation and insisted they had never received any money from the Council for National Security (CNS).

As soon as Somchote finished speaking, Jatuporn pointed at the group and shouted furiously: "You are brave to swear that you have never known the CNS or received money from them".

"We are Ramkhamhaeng too, so don't you lie me. Ramkhamhaeng students in the past fought with the dictator, but today what do you do? When the military made a coup were you concerned?," shouted Jatuporn. * yelling at a bunch of students? *

Jatuporn said today he would file a complaint against the group.

The Nation

TRT have been playing games in Ram for years. A few years back there was some controversy over a rector. Now this. It will however not be easy for them as there are very large numbers of Southern students at Ram who will not be bought, and will definitely resist any TRT attempted money coup in Ram as maybe they are finding out now. Considering that Mr. Thaksin has said he is for national reconciliation maybe his former underlings should listen to him and stop trying to foment divisions in a university, or maybe now that Mr. Thaksin has left the TRT they no longer respect or listen to him.

An expressway hoarding declares PTV cable television is the station of former Thai Rak Thai executive Veera Musigapong and deputy spokesman Jatuporn Promphan. They plan to go on air next month.

Source: The Nation - 20 February 2007

I saw that picture in Bangkok and thought it was an advert for a gay massage. I am surprised it is for Thaksin TV. Sorry to not be PC.

Edited October 21, 2011 by Buchholz

[Buchholz]

sorry, but...

"gay massage"

is just plain funny, Hammered.

[Buchholz]

* yelling at a bunch of students? *

Jatuporn said today he would file a complaint against the group.

goes to show how long this clown has been antagonizing everything and everyone around him....

it even included yelling and then suing students, of all people, that refused his bribe money.

.

Edited October 21, 2011 by Buchholz

[animatic]

Red Shirts Shooting at Civilians in Bangkok

There were about five to ten armed men firing at innocent people from a building near the Century Hotel, Col Sansern Kaewkamnerd, Centre for the Resolution of Emergency Situation (CRES) spokesman,said on Monday night.

These men dressed like soldiers, he said.

According to Col Sansern, they fired shots from the 24th floor of Cheewathai building.

Authoritieswere trying to pressure them but the operation was done with difficulty because the building was under construction, he said.

Col Sansern also said that these armed men must be supporters of the red-shirts, because no one can enter the area except red-shirt protesters

http://heffernan-inc...tail-13542.html

Well thats that then, the Government CRES Spokesman says it's true, then it's the truth. And I haven't even mentioned Sutheps excuse for the deaths being that the Red Shirt supporters "ran into bullets"

We're talking about Jatuporn and his crazy, not to mention stupid ass conspiracy theories about the Dems causing the flood on purpose and Einstein here is still insists on bringing up last year's riots. Oh the intellect of the Reds!

it was animatic who brought up last year's riots, not phiphidon, aka - einstein.

Please post the actual comments made by jatuporn, because so far we are just discussing hot air from TAN and not whatever it was that Jatuporn actually said.

Not really.

What I said was :

Jatuporns side created and maintain a situation intended to bring down the government even after, or in 'particular need of people getting killed injured etc.', to blame on the Dems / Army... Since that was the only way left to 'turn the populace against them'

Why would he not feel that his opponents

would ALSO think that low on the morality scale?

Point being not who killed anyone, but the obvious concerted effort to make violence happen for political gain. Sorry, you can NOT re-write history, that was not obviously on display from the Dems at anytime.

And this was about Jatuporns mindset to say what he says now, not about what happend last year.

Edited October 21, 2011 by animatic

[animatic]

Yes, I see I am not the only one who has viewed :

what appears a 'sea change' in the comments and views of Kuhn Hammered, seemingly like it is a completely different person using the handle, IMHO. It's rather disconcerting.

I'm not trying to impugn the man. I have too much respect for him to do that. I was trying hopefully to merely draw attention to the dramatic shift that you, as well as others for example like rixalex, have also observed.

Everyone is entitled to update their opinions. It's just been rare when the update is so diametrically opposed to what it once was.

The intriguing part I mentioned earlier is that, AFAIK, the change has been unexplained/unaccounted for.

*not that that is a requirement by any means, but left unanswered, it's intriguing.

As you say.

If it wasn't so "dramatic", "diametrically opposed" , "unexplained/unaccounted", " sea change ", "disconcerting", this would not even be mentioned. But having known this poster for several years, as one personage, and respecting his output, he now seems to be consistently another.

The only other similarly disconcerting change was a young mother, who didn't understand IMF and Thaksins financial machinations vis a vis national Debt and Singapore.

She listened respectfully often, regardless of agreeing, until apparently getting a Red Shirt Handler, and then apparently just handing her handle off to her handler ,allowing them to post most differently than she did for a time.

And later also posting in her original or natural style.

This lady is now banned quite awhile back.

Not saying there is a similar circumstance here, but more that this was the only other incident that comes so squarely to mind.

Edited October 21, 2011 by animatic