Thai Cabinet Endorses Thaksin Amnesty Plan: Reports

[Ricardo]

I am a farang so it's none of my business what they do. I just enjoy the ride.

I too enjoy the ride, but I do also care, where it will terminate !

... lucky you ... some of us are here with our children, for whom what happens here is if the greatest consequence to their futures.

... me too ... which is why I care where it will end, and why it is our business.

I was disagreeing with bitterbatter's post, perhaps I didn't make that clear enough ?

Edited November 17, 2011 by Ricardo

[abq2020]

I think this is a wonderful proposal....providing those receiving amnesty are imprisoned rather than fugitives.

[waza]

very interesting Edited November 17, 2011 by waza

[blablablabla]

very interesting

Thanks! How so? I don't speak Thai!

[ThaiOats]

I am not surprise if 26,000 criminals were not set free this year because of 1 man. Thaksin.

You noticed too that the guilt game is being played here. It is truly appalling. I can't really say more to expand on this if you don't get my meaning.

And truly why they're lower than scums, especially Chalerm and Thaksin.

[waza]

very interesting

Thanks! How so? I don't speak Thai!

He is trying to defend the secret plan to give Thaskin anmesty, by denying that it will apply to Thaskin, but he get agitated by the persistant question from the lady reporter. He becomes so annoyed he starts to make veiled threats to her.

Edited November 17, 2011 by waza

[rotary]

Shocking they will let him come back unless he goes straight to jail

[blablablabla]

very interesting

Thanks! How so? I don't speak Thai!

He is trying to defend the secret plan to give Thaskin anmesty, by denying that it will apply to Thaskin, but he get agitated by the persistant question from the lady reporter. He becomes so annoyed he starts to make veiled threats to her.

Thank you for clarifying! It seems to me that, like in many countries (Western or not), many --if not all-- political parties are corrupt --more or less-- by powerful lobbyists and their corporations or by powerful unions, even though it might be less so for the latter. Even so, the CBS's 60 minutes piece on how lawmakers of all political stripes use inside information acquired during special committee's discussions to trade stocks and make millions: http://www.cbsnews.c...ain;cbsCarousel) is really exposing an endemic problem, if not a universal issue Some human beings (women and men) need shrinks ... and be removed from a position of trust! Nice ... tie (pun intended), by the way! How much did it cost? Just asking?

[Buchholz]

Useful article by here:

http://asiancorrespo...lective-pardon/

Since we are less than 3 weeks away from the Kings Birthday I assume we are going to get some conformation fairly quickly on what has been agreed - particularly since there seems to be a stipulation that anyone granted a pardon has to be in the country when it is given.

So if he comes back and sets foot on Thai soil can the police whisk him away to serve his 2 year sentence????

Ohhh I forgot, the police are his appointee's aren't they - are the army allowed to do this????? If they are, you can guarantee that his first step as he disembarks the plane will be assisted by a uniformed man taking hold of his arm and guiding him to his destination (it might not be the same as Thaksin's intended destination though)!!!

I would have thought that they would have a plan in place for this. There were rumours a couple of months back that the Special Branch detention cells at Bang Khen police school were being recommissioned for unknown reasons - one theory was for looking after a special prisoner???

Thaksin's brother-in-law National Police Chief Police General Priewpan Damapong has asked the Corrections Department to turn the former Bang Khen private police school into a detention centre for political prisoners.

The other paper is citing sources which have revealed some basic details regarding Thaksin's arrival and subsequent detention at Bang Khen with a subsequent transfer to a private hospital for treatment after claiming ill health.

.

[gregb]

Good old PTP use the cover of the floods to bring back Baig T. The red supports will be here soon telling us how great this will be for Thailand. Ying luck should man up and tell dear brother he is on his own and she being the PM will do what is best for Thailand.

I am of the opinion it will not be allowed to get that far. There is already talk of having the NACC investigate to decide if they have the authority to undertake an investigation in this case for corruption in the cabinet due to the mechanism used. They probably don't and won't be able to make a case, but while this is going on, it would most likely not be forwarded for signature pending the outcome. Surely the investigation can not be completed before Dec. 5. There are still a few tricks that can be played, which is why the PTP are so adamant that this all be done in secret.

Nothing is guaranteed though, and this doesn't change the fact that this duplicitous act has inflamed old wounds, and that blood flow can not be far off. In the end, this power struggle will be decided by bullets, not words.

Edited November 18, 2011 by metisdead
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[animatic]

Good old PTP use the cover of the floods to bring back Baig T. The red supports will be here soon telling us how great this will be for Thailand. Ying luck should man up and tell dear brother he is on his own and she being the PM will do what is best for Thailand.

I am of the opinion it will not be allowed to get that far. There is already talk of having the NACC investigate to decide if they have the authority to undertake an investigation in this case for corruption in the cabinet due to the mechanism used. They probably don't and won't be able to make a case, but while this is going on, it would most likely not be forwarded for signature pending the outcome. Surely the investigation can not be completed before Dec. 5. There are still a few tricks that can be played, which is why the PTP are so adamant that this all be done in secret.

Nothing is guaranteed though, and this doesn't change the fact that this duplicitous act has inflamed old wounds, and that blood flow can not be far off. In the end, this power struggle will be decided by bullets, not words.

Sadly this looks to be the case.

A nation, driven to civil war by the ego of one man.

It's so Shakespearian.

Edited November 18, 2011 by metisdead
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[metisdead]

A post and replies with reference to HM the King have been removed. Speculation, comments and discussion of either a political or personal nature are not allowed when discussing HM The King or the Royal family.

[Buchholz]

Good old PTP use the cover of the floods to bring back Baig T. The red supports will be here soon telling us how great this will be for Thailand. Ying luck should man up and tell dear brother he is on his own and she being the PM will do what is best for Thailand.

I am of the opinion it will not be allowed to get that far. There is already talk of having the NACC investigate to decide if they have the authority to undertake an investigation in this case for corruption in the cabinet due to the mechanism used. They probably don't and won't be able to make a case, but while this is going on, it would most likely not be forwarded for signature pending the outcome. Surely the investigation can not be completed before Dec. 5. There are still a few tricks that can be played, which is why the PTP are so adamant that this all be done in secret.

Nothing is guaranteed though, and this doesn't change the fact that this duplicitous act has inflamed old wounds, and that blood flow can not be far off. In the end, this power struggle will be decided by bullets, not words.

Sadly this looks to be the case.

A nation, driven to civil war by the ego of one man.

It's so Shakespearian.

+ 1

The ends to the means regarding Thaksin's return and subsequent events outlined in the other paper today reveal the smokescreen that all of this is being attempted.

Additionally, if the FROC Boss's Justice Ministry's committee does complete this evaluation in time for Dec. 5, it would be much faster than anything FROC has done.

.

Edited November 18, 2011 by Buchholz

[Buchholz]

very interesting

Thanks! How so? I don't speak Thai!

He is trying to defend the secret plan to give Thaskin anmesty, by denying that it will apply to Thaskin, but he get agitated by the persistant question from the lady reporter. He becomes so annoyed he starts to make veiled threats to her.

Thanks for posting.

It seems old habits die hard for him.

.

[Scott]

Off-topic posts deleted.

[phiphidon]

very interesting

Thanks! How so? I don't speak Thai!

He is trying to defend the secret plan to give Thaskin anmesty, by denying that it will apply to Thaskin, but he get agitated by the persistant question from the lady reporter. He becomes so annoyed he starts to make veiled threats to her.

Thanks for posting.

It seems old habits die hard for him.

.

I don't speak Thai either. Buchholz, can you tell me what the veiled threats are that he is making?

Edited November 18, 2011 by phiphidon

[cowslip]

There is a significant number in Thailand wantThaksin back.

Whether or not he is a good politician is prettymuch irrelevant....his supporters have been the keystone for every majoritygovt for over a decade.

He needs to come back.

he coup was a joke, badly handled and in theaftermath the puppet government formed at the behest of the military completelyand utterly filed to win over the electorate.

Elements within that faction now are trying touse the floods to de-stabilise the government......they fear a return ofThaksin...of course....they threw him out in a coup!

None of this bodes well for democracy inThailand but it is the Army and the ruling elite who have themselves to blamefor this by failing to take action in a democratic way.

Two things

1 - Thaksin needs to come back; the country hasto face this unsolved problem….and sort it one way or another.

2 - The FLOODS

- none ofthis petty bickering – the idea of SUING the govt is clearly unsatisfactory –it’s inappropriate, verging on infantile and symptomatic of Thailand’sinability to develop true democratic institutions.

There needs to be a NATIONAL COMMISSION set upto investigate all aspects;

· The handling of the floods by not just the government but also manyothers including the Governor of Bkk - who certainly has some awkward questionsto answer.

· Those who tried to make political capital

· The NATIONAL infrastructure to cope with flooding throughoutThailand....both the engineering and the underlying environment causes.

I can see that such a commission would bedifficult to set up especially as it needs both to be impartial and haveteeth.....but it needs to be done.

it is unfortunate if Thaksin was to return nowas it would look to many as if he is returning to "put the countryright" after the devastation of the floods........but the deems shouldhave thought of that she they staged the coup.

[hyperdimension]

I am not surprise if 26,000 criminals were not set free this year because of 1 man. Thaksin.

Why should they all be set free anyway? They committed crimes and were caught, so they should serve their times, and nobody loses out.

[Jingthing]

I am not surprise if 26,000 criminals were not set free this year because of 1 man. Thaksin.

Why should they all be set free anyway? They committed crimes and were caught, so they should serve their times, and nobody loses out.

In any case, they are being used as pawns. A little honesty and transparency would be refreshing, but yes I know, too much to ask here.

[cowslip]

THe law in Thailand is an ass.

THis means that anyone convicted could claim improper trial, charges, arrest whatever.......in a US or European court of law almost every conviction under Thai law would be regarded as unsafe.

The judiciary are not independent, the police incompetent and biased the processes slow and ineffective and time after time the law is "interpreted" to suit the whim of those who happen to be in power.

To claim ANYONE in Thailand has committed a "crime" is a huge jump of both logic and faith.

[yoshiwara]

There is a significant number in Thailand wantThaksin back.

Whether or not he is a good politician is prettymuch irrelevant....his supporters have been the keystone for every majoritygovt for over a decade.

He needs to come back.

he coup was a joke, badly handled and in theaftermath the puppet government formed at the behest of the military completelyand utterly filed to win over the electorate.

Elements within that faction now are trying touse the floods to de-stabilise the government......they fear a return ofThaksin...of course....they threw him out in a coup!

None of this bodes well for democracy inThailand but it is the Army and the ruling elite who have themselves to blamefor this by failing to take action in a democratic way.

Two things

1 - Thaksin needs to come back; the country hasto face this unsolved problem….and sort it one way or another.

2 - The FLOODS

- none ofthis petty bickering – the idea of SUING the govt is clearly unsatisfactory –it’s inappropriate, verging on infantile and symptomatic of Thailand’sinability to develop true democratic institutions.

There needs to be a NATIONAL COMMISSION set upto investigate all aspects;

· The handling of the floods by not just the government but also manyothers including the Governor of Bkk - who certainly has some awkward questionsto answer.

· Those who tried to make political capital

· The NATIONAL infrastructure to cope with flooding throughoutThailand....both the engineering and the underlying environment causes.

I can see that such a commission would bedifficult to set up especially as it needs both to be impartial and haveteeth.....but it needs to be done.

it is unfortunate if Thaksin was to return nowas it would look to many as if he is returning to "put the countryright" after the devastation of the floods........but the deems shouldhave thought of that she they staged the coup.

Not exactly informative and downright wrong on a number of matters. First, Thaksin was not the PM at the time of the coup. His time had expired. He was merely caretaker PM and it was his decision to do a runner. As for the nonsense call for a commission no doubt you would have Jatuporn chair it. At least you are honest enough that your sole interest is getting Thaksin back. Maybe you think the electorate voted for money laundering to be approved. It didn't. Why does he need to return to put the country right if his clone sister is running the government and he has appointed the ministers? Yes, why? For reds to collect a bonus 500 baht? For reds to get a share in the resumed looting of the Thai state? For Thailand to be a laughing stock with a convicted criminal at its head? Or maybe Arisman to be given a medal for advocating the burning down of Bangkok. Sometimes proposals for commissions are not worth the paper they are written on. Just meaningless words with Thaksin come back the real meat in the rancid sandwich.

[yoshiwara]

THe law in Thailand is an ass.

THis means that anyone convicted could claim improper trial, charges, arrest whatever.......in a US or European court of law almost every conviction under Thai law would be regarded as unsafe.

The judiciary are not independent, the police incompetent and biased the processes slow and ineffective and time after time the law is "interpreted" to suit the whim of those who happen to be in power.

To claim ANYONE in Thailand has committed a "crime" is a huge jump of both logic and faith.

The nonsense some people will say to get their beloved Thaksin back. Not surprising that the reds have no respect for the law. Cash only please.

Edited November 19, 2011 by yoshiwara

[Skywalker69]

You have thais, idiots, bigger idiots and then thais who vote for bigger idiots... Really? First you flood bangkok cause you dont listen to your own people who actually have brains to calculate water flow and told you that KLONGS cant take 17x the amount of water you want to send through, and now after KILLING almost 400 people you want to get the biggest criminal back??? And YES you killed them... Its quite a few more than the 95 that got shot during the red shirt protests which is still under investigation.... The bureau will have its hands full with your 400... To get back to the point, can you put him in JAIL first like ANYONE else would have to do? What is so special about him??? He was better at stealing from his own people? Does that grant him immunity? And moderators... I do respect lese majeste so this is not a comment to remove... I havent posted anything for several months but after reading today's post I could no longer be quiet... I love this country, but I see your own people fighting with each other and destroying what you have left of 'paradise'...

Sad, but true. I fear for the future of Thailand.

It´s an explode situation, and all because of

greedy and powerhungry IDIOTS!

[alstaxi]

Quite true, it is democracy at work. I have always been amazed at the support Taksin has had through the years.

His support comes from bribes using money he has swindled, not really amazing.

[cowslip]

You have thais, idiots, bigger idiots and then thais who vote for bigger idiots... Really? First you flood bangkok cause you dont listen to your own people who actually have brains to calculate water flow and told you that KLONGS cant take 17x the amount of water you want to send through, and now after KILLING almost 400 people you want to get the biggest criminal back??? And YES you killed them... Its quite a few more than the 95 that got shot during the red shirt protests which is still under investigation.... The bureau will have its hands full with your 400... To get back to the point, can you put him in JAIL first like ANYONE else would have to do? What is so special about him??? He was better at stealing from his own people? Does that grant him immunity? And moderators... I do respect lese majeste so this is not a comment to remove... I havent posted anything for several months but after reading today's post I could no longer be quiet... I love this country, but I see your own people fighting with each other and destroying what you have left of 'paradise'...

Sad, but true. I fear for the future of Thailand.

It´s an explode situation, and all because of

greedy and powerhungry IDIOTS!

the initial flood control policies in Bkk were down to the governor - a Democrat supporter - the govt then had to take over but a lot of damage had been done and there was it seems deliberate "non-cooperation" by certain factions.

Only a National Inquiry - an independent commission will get to the bottom of what went on in an extremely complicated situation.

[cowslip]

THe law in Thailand is an ass.

THis means that anyone convicted could claim improper trial, charges, arrest whatever.......in a US or European court of law almost every conviction under Thai law would be regarded as unsafe.

The judiciary are not independent, the police incompetent and biased the processes slow and ineffective and time after time the law is "interpreted" to suit the whim of those who happen to be in power.

To claim ANYONE in Thailand has committed a "crime" is a huge jump of both logic and faith.

The nonsense some people will say to get their beloved Thaksin back. Not surprising that the reds have no respect for the law. Cash only please.

it is so very sad that those who criticise the Thai electorate are no more or even less savvy themselves.

To suggest that anyone who says anything that is not harshly critical of Thaksin is therefore a supporter of that man is naive in the extreme - I can't see how anyone could respect the views of someone who clearly has such a poor grasp of Thai politics.

[cowslip]

There is a significant number in Thailand wantThaksin back.

Whether or not he is a good politician is prettymuch irrelevant....his supporters have been the keystone for every majoritygovt for over a decade.

He needs to come back.

he coup was a joke, badly handled and in theaftermath the puppet government formed at the behest of the military completelyand utterly filed to win over the electorate.

Elements within that faction now are trying touse the floods to de-stabilise the government......they fear a return ofThaksin...of course....they threw him out in a coup!

None of this bodes well for democracy inThailand but it is the Army and the ruling elite who have themselves to blamefor this by failing to take action in a democratic way.

Two things

1 - Thaksin needs to come back; the country hasto face this unsolved problem….and sort it one way or another.

2 - The FLOODS

- none ofthis petty bickering – the idea of SUING the govt is clearly unsatisfactory –it's inappropriate, verging on infantile and symptomatic of Thailand'sinability to develop true democratic institutions.

There needs to be a NATIONAL COMMISSION set upto investigate all aspects;

· The handling of the floods by not just the government but also manyothers including the Governor of Bkk - who certainly has some awkward questionsto answer.

· Those who tried to make political capital

· The NATIONAL infrastructure to cope with flooding throughoutThailand....both the engineering and the underlying environment causes.

I can see that such a commission would bedifficult to set up especially as it needs both to be impartial and haveteeth.....but it needs to be done.

it is unfortunate if Thaksin was to return nowas it would look to many as if he is returning to "put the countryright" after the devastation of the floods........but the deems shouldhave thought of that she they staged the coup.

Not exactly informative and downright wrong on a number of matters. First, Thaksin was not the PM at the time of the coup. His time had expired. He was merely caretaker PM and it was his decision to do a runner. As for the nonsense call for a commission no doubt you would have Jatuporn chair it. At least you are honest enough that your sole interest is getting Thaksin back. Maybe you think the electorate voted for money laundering to be approved. It didn't. Why does he need to return to put the country right if his clone sister is running the government and he has appointed the ministers? Yes, why? For reds to collect a bonus 500 baht? For reds to get a share in the resumed looting of the Thai state? For Thailand to be a laughing stock with a convicted criminal at its head? Or maybe Arisman to be given a medal for advocating the burning down of Bangkok. Sometimes proposals for commissions are not worth the paper they are written on. Just meaningless words with Thaksin come back the real meat in the rancid sandwich.

Time and again on TV you get responses like this that simply are below par. THey can't grasp how to formulate an argument, they can't understand the bigger picture and think that nit-picking is a valid form of argument.

I'm sorry but as you actually haven't put forward an argument - I doubt you can - there is not way to respond except to point out that your post deserves nothing more than a critique in itself.

I think judging by tyro reply it is extremely unlikely that you will ever be able to have an intelligent opinion on the subject.

[scorecard]

Quite true, it is democracy at work. I have always been amazed at the support Taksin has had through the years.

His support comes from bribes using money he has swindled, not really amazing.

There are always claims that thaksin is so clever and Thailand's needs him as it's leader.

IMHO he is no more clever than any other opportunistic (read ruthless) businessman.

He came up with a strategy to buy votes en mass from the rural poor and make it look like he was their saviour. Not a complex strategy, anybody could have quickly dreamed up the same strategy.

The difference is a man who has no morals whatever and actually put this strategy into action, no conscience to massively manipulate tens of millions of rural poor using state funds, involving his own paid 'army' of people to keep the masses believing the lies.

Anybody could have dreamed up this strategy but the reality is that most others have more morals than to engage in this sort of massive manipulation.

Edited November 20, 2011 by scorecard

[hyperdimension]

it is so very sad that those who criticise the Thai electorate are no more or even less savvy themselves.

If the majority of the electorate were methamphetamine ("Yaba" or "ice") addicts, and they voted in the party who promised to provide them with a free daily methamphetamine injection, would that be a good outcome for the country? Democracy at work?

[cowslip]

it is so very sad that those who criticise the Thai electorate are no more or even less savvy themselves.

If the majority of the electorate were methamphetamine ("Yaba" or "ice") addicts, and they voted in the party who promised to provide them with a free daily methamphetamine injection, would that be a good outcome for the country? Democracy at work?

QED