Sunai To File Charge With World Court Against Democrat Govt Next Month

[patjem]

It seems The Nation may have misunderstood. The other newspaper mentions a complaint to be raised with the ICC. Now that makes more sense.

Interestingly it also mentions that Pheu Thai party list MP Charuphan said since the cabinet had ratified the ICC Rome Convention of 2000 in 2009

They've read your post, rubl.

and address both points in their latest.

Sunai to file complaint with ICC over deaths of 91 reds

Pheu Thai MP Sunai to petition ICC against the 91 killed during military crackdown last year.

Pheu Thai MP Sunai Julponsathorn said Monday he will petition the International Criminal Court (ICC) at the Hague on December 9 to take up the crime against humanity case against the 91 who were killed during the military crackdown on red shirts in April and May last year.

Sunai said the move is aimed at making sure that there will be no suspicion that the current Pheu Thai government will interfere with the ongoing investigations by the local authorities.

Sunai, who is Chairman of the House Committee on Foreign Affairs, said he will use his own money for the travel and many red shirts in Europe have organized everything for him.

Sunai said both then Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva and his Deputy Suthep Thuaksubhan will have to be accountable as they were in charge of the crackdown last year.

Pheu Thai Party-list MP Kattiyar Sawasdiphol, whose father Maj Gen Kattiya Sawasdiphol was shot and killed by sniper fire last year said there has been no progress in the investigation of her father’s death and thus she is counting on the ICC to take up the case.

Thailand however is not among 119 member states to the ICC. It has not yet ratified the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court.

The Nation - 19 minutes ago

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91 were not killed at the hands of armed forces, lest we forget: army shot during the first flashpoint near Democracy monument and civilians by grenades thrown from the red camp before "enough was enough". That, afterall, was the vast majority of casualties last year. Hypocrites they are.

[whybother]

91 were not killed at the hands of armed forces, lest we forget: army shot during the first flashpoint near Democracy monument and civilians by grenades thrown from the red camp before "enough was enough". That, afterall, was the vast majority of casualties last year. Hypocrites they are.

It's all about reconciliation. They're going after their red leaders too.

[Buchholz]

It seems The Nation may have misunderstood. The other newspaper mentions a complaint to be raised with the ICC. Now that makes more sense.

Interestingly it also mentions that Pheu Thai party list MP Charuphan said since the cabinet had ratified the ICC Rome Convention of 2000 in 2009

They've read your post, rubl.

and address both points in their latest.

Sunai to file complaint with ICC over deaths of 91 reds

Pheu Thai MP Sunai to petition ICC against the 91 killed during military crackdown last year.

Pheu Thai MP Sunai Julponsathorn said Monday he will petition the International Criminal Court (ICC) at the Hague on December 9 to take up the crime against humanity case against the 91 who were killed during the military crackdown on red shirts in April and May last year.

Sunai said the move is aimed at making sure that there will be no suspicion that the current Pheu Thai government will interfere with the ongoing investigations by the local authorities.

Sunai, who is Chairman of the House Committee on Foreign Affairs, said he will use his own money for the travel and many red shirts in Europe have organized everything for him.

Sunai said both then Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva and his Deputy Suthep Thuaksubhan will have to be accountable as they were in charge of the crackdown last year.

Pheu Thai Party-list MP Kattiyar Sawasdiphol, whose father Maj Gen Kattiya Sawasdiphol was shot and killed by sniper fire last year said there has been no progress in the investigation of her father’s death and thus she is counting on the ICC to take up the case.

Thailand however is not among 119 member states to the ICC. It has not yet ratified the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court.

The Nation - 19 minutes ago

.

91 were not killed at the hands of armed forces, lest we forget: army shot during the first flashpoint near Democracy monument and civilians by grenades thrown from the red camp before "enough was enough". That, afterall, was the vast majority of casualties last year. Hypocrites they are.

[tlansford]

It seems The Nation may have misunderstood. The other newspaper mentions a complaint to be raised with the ICC. Now that makes more sense.

Interestingly it also mentions that Pheu Thai party list MP Charuphan said since the cabinet had ratified the ICC Rome Convention of 2000 in 2009

They've read your post, rubl.

and address both points in their latest.

Sunai to file complaint with ICC over deaths of 91 reds

Pheu Thai MP Sunai to petition ICC against the 91 killed during military crackdown last year.

Pheu Thai MP Sunai Julponsathorn said Monday he will petition the International Criminal Court (ICC) at the Hague on December 9 to take up the crime against humanity case against the 91 who were killed during the military crackdown on red shirts in April and May last year.

Sunai said the move is aimed at making sure that there will be no suspicion that the current Pheu Thai government will interfere with the ongoing investigations by the local authorities.

Sunai, who is Chairman of the House Committee on Foreign Affairs, said he will use his own money for the travel and many red shirts in Europe have organized everything for him.

Sunai said both then Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva and his Deputy Suthep Thuaksubhan will have to be accountable as they were in charge of the crackdown last year.

Pheu Thai Party-list MP Kattiyar Sawasdiphol, whose father Maj Gen Kattiya Sawasdiphol was shot and killed by sniper fire last year said there has been no progress in the investigation of her father's death and thus she is counting on the ICC to take up the case.

Thailand however is not among 119 member states to the ICC. It has not yet ratified the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court.

The Nation - 19 minutes ago

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91 were not killed at the hands of armed forces, lest we forget: army shot during the first flashpoint near Democracy monument and civilians by grenades thrown from the red camp before "enough was enough". That, afterall, was the vast majority of casualties last year. Hypocrites they are.

You're right. As far as I can tell, "only" 86 (or more) were killed by the army.

[whybother]

It seems The Nation may have misunderstood. The other newspaper mentions a complaint to be raised with the ICC. Now that makes more sense.

Interestingly it also mentions that Pheu Thai party list MP Charuphan said since the cabinet had ratified the ICC Rome Convention of 2000 in 2009

They've read your post, rubl.

and address both points in their latest.

Sunai to file complaint with ICC over deaths of 91 reds

Pheu Thai MP Sunai to petition ICC against the 91 killed during military crackdown last year.

Pheu Thai MP Sunai Julponsathorn said Monday he will petition the International Criminal Court (ICC) at the Hague on December 9 to take up the crime against humanity case against the 91 who were killed during the military crackdown on red shirts in April and May last year.

Sunai said the move is aimed at making sure that there will be no suspicion that the current Pheu Thai government will interfere with the ongoing investigations by the local authorities.

Sunai, who is Chairman of the House Committee on Foreign Affairs, said he will use his own money for the travel and many red shirts in Europe have organized everything for him.

Sunai said both then Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva and his Deputy Suthep Thuaksubhan will have to be accountable as they were in charge of the crackdown last year.

Pheu Thai Party-list MP Kattiyar Sawasdiphol, whose father Maj Gen Kattiya Sawasdiphol was shot and killed by sniper fire last year said there has been no progress in the investigation of her father's death and thus she is counting on the ICC to take up the case.

Thailand however is not among 119 member states to the ICC. It has not yet ratified the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court.

The Nation - 19 minutes ago

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91 were not killed at the hands of armed forces, lest we forget: army shot during the first flashpoint near Democracy monument and civilians by grenades thrown from the red camp before "enough was enough". That, afterall, was the vast majority of casualties last year. Hypocrites they are.

You're right. As far as I can tell, "only" 86 (or more) were killed by the army.

Which 5 weren't?

[ThaiOats]

It seems The Nation may have misunderstood. The other newspaper mentions a complaint to be raised with the ICC. Now that makes more sense.

Interestingly it also mentions that Pheu Thai party list MP Charuphan said since the cabinet had ratified the ICC Rome Convention of 2000 in 2009

They've read your post, rubl.

and address both points in their latest.

Sunai to file complaint with ICC over deaths of 91 reds

Pheu Thai MP Sunai to petition ICC against the 91 killed during military crackdown last year.

Pheu Thai MP Sunai Julponsathorn said Monday he will petition the International Criminal Court (ICC) at the Hague on December 9 to take up the crime against humanity case against the 91 who were killed during the military crackdown on red shirts in April and May last year.

Sunai said the move is aimed at making sure that there will be no suspicion that the current Pheu Thai government will interfere with the ongoing investigations by the local authorities.

Sunai, who is Chairman of the House Committee on Foreign Affairs, said he will use his own money for the travel and many red shirts in Europe have organized everything for him.

Sunai said both then Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva and his Deputy Suthep Thuaksubhan will have to be accountable as they were in charge of the crackdown last year.

Pheu Thai Party-list MP Kattiyar Sawasdiphol, whose father Maj Gen Kattiya Sawasdiphol was shot and killed by sniper fire last year said there has been no progress in the investigation of her father's death and thus she is counting on the ICC to take up the case.

Thailand however is not among 119 member states to the ICC. It has not yet ratified the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court.

The Nation - 19 minutes ago

.

91 were not killed at the hands of armed forces, lest we forget: army shot during the first flashpoint near Democracy monument and civilians by grenades thrown from the red camp before "enough was enough". That, afterall, was the vast majority of casualties last year. Hypocrites they are.

You're right. As far as I can tell, "only" 86 (or more) were killed by the army.

And you're thinking Army personnel are non living beings, humans at that. They were in danger just as anyone else so why don't you voice your opinion about the Red's wrong doings? You NEVER do because you're obviously bias despite how you claim that you weren't. At first I thought you really meant it when you were just interested in the Red Movement but obviously that's just a layer of skin you hide yourself under.

[Buchholz]

Red-shirt MP to petition ICC over 2010 crackdown

Red-shirt Pheu Thai MP Sunai Julponsathorn said yesterday he will ask the International Criminal Court (ICC) in The Hague on December 9 to consider whether the military crackdown on protesting red shirts in April and May 2010 that killed 91 people constituted a crime against humanity.

The move is aimed at removing any suspicions of interference by the Pheu Thai-led government in ongoing local investigations, said Sunai, who is Chairman of the House Committee on Foreign Affairs.

The MP said he would use his own money to travel to the Dutch city and that red shirt supporters based in Europe would help him organise his legal bid.

Sunai said Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva his then Deputy, Suthep Thuagsuban, should be held accountable as they had overall responsibility for the crackdown.

Pheu Thai Party-list MP Kattiyar Sawasdiphol, whose father, Major-General Kattiya Sawasdiphol, was shot and killed by a sniper during the protests, said there has been no progress in the investigation of her father's death and thus she is counting on the ICC to take up the case.

Thailand, however, is not among the ICC's 119 member states, as it has yet to ratify the court's Rome Statute.

Abhisit, now the opposition leader, said he is willing to cooperate with the Office of the Attorney-General if he is summoned for questioning over the crackdown

-- The Nation 2011-11-29

[rubl]

91 were not killed at the hands of armed forces, lest we forget: army shot during the first flashpoint near Democracy monument and civilians by grenades thrown from the red camp before "enough was enough". That, afterall, was the vast majority of casualties last year. Hypocrites they are.

You're right. As far as I can tell, "only" 86 (or more) were killed by the army.

You're wrong, till now no report on the real 'killers'. It seems to have started on April 10th, 2010, with five soldiers, one Japanese reporter and a dozen 'normal' Thai killed. Things didn't improve after. Obviously the guilty party is <fill in your personal preference>

[rubl]

Red-shirt MP to petition ICC over 2010 crackdown

Red-shirt Pheu Thai MP Sunai Julponsathorn said yesterday he will ask the International Criminal Court (ICC) in The Hague on December 9 to consider whether the military crackdown on protesting red shirts in April and May 2010 that killed 91 people constituted a crime against humanity.

The move is aimed at removing any suspicions of interference by the Pheu Thai-led government in ongoing local investigations, said Sunai, who is Chairman of the House Committee on Foreign Affairs.

The MP said he would use his own money to travel to the Dutch city and that red shirt supporters based in Europe would help him organise his legal bid.

... rest removed

With the 'extensive' report already filed on January 31st, 2011, MP Sunai must have real new, damaging evidence to justify the ICC to interfere in the local problems of a non-signature nation, an act explicitly excluded from the scope of work.

It's interesting to read that such a move is aimed at removing 'any suspicions of interference in local proceedings'. This suggests that the local judicial system still works, which would be another reason for the ICC not to interfere.

As for an MP using his own money and red-shirt support in Europe. Sure, sure, avoid any doubt on inappropriate interference.

BTW an inappropriate question, was MP Sunai on a trip to India financed by k. Thaksin ?

[ThaiOats]

While Abhisit is willing to provide cooperation and man-up, Reds still continue with their mob. Any time the things don't go the way the Red shirts want, they mob up. There's only Red Justice. Total BS.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Yet another example of how much this place is a real carnival...

It would be laugh-a-minute funny, except, these are the folks running the country.

[waza]

so let me get this straight. a mob is organized to terrorize the country in order get what they want by force. They cause an unbelievable amount of damage to the country, money lost to businesses, threatened to burn down the country, it was obviously funded as we saw the videos of people getting paid before they got on the buses. Men in black with firearms, looting, arson and the list goes on. Now I forgot why they are going to court, something about justice?

Yes that is almost correct, but you forgot that this mob was calling for early elections, the government agreed to their demands but after the mob got what they wanted they changed their minds.

Edited November 28, 2011 by waza

[tlansford]

- snip -

91 were not killed at the hands of armed forces, lest we forget: army shot during the first flashpoint near Democracy monument and civilians by grenades thrown from the red camp before "enough was enough". That, afterall, was the vast majority of casualties last year. Hypocrites they are.

You're right. As far as I can tell, "only" 86 (or more) were killed by the army.

And you're thinking Army personnel are non living beings, humans at that. They were in danger just as anyone else so why don't you voice your opinion about the Red's wrong doings? You NEVER do because you're obviously bias despite how you claim that you weren't. At first I thought you really meant it when you were just interested in the Red Movement but obviously that's just a layer of skin you hide yourself under.

of course the army personnel lives are as valuable as every other life. Exactly my point is that if the army had not been ordered to use lethal force against the protesters, many fewer would have died, and - maybe a long shot, but - possibly no one.

You say that the army "were in danger just as anyone else". One, that is an occupational hazard of anyone in the army. Ask the guys who served in Afghanistan & Iraq - they know it. And normally, that is a service that can be done with honor. Two, in this case, the army was in danger due to the orders that they were given. The army's attack escalated the situation rather than diffusing it.

The red shirts - 10s of thousands were protesting. There was violence from the red shirts. I don't condone it. Ever.

And to contradict you, I don't claim to be unbiased. I never condone the use of lethal force by any gov't against its own citizens. That is definitely my bias and I'll live with it - no problem.

BTW, the red shirts also condemned violent acts by other red shirts in this protest. For example :

On 30 April, more than 200 Red-Shirt protesters[93] forced their way into Chulalongkorn Hospital, which is near to the main protest site, searching for soldiers whom the protesters thought were hiding there. Hospital management had denied that troops were on its site. No soldiers were found after an hour of searching.[93] Following the incident, hospital staff moved approximately 600 patients to other facilities farther from the protest site. UDD leader Weng Tojirakarn, himself a medical doctor, apologized for the storming, calling it "inappropriate" and "unreasonable"

[tlansford]

91 were not killed at the hands of armed forces, lest we forget: army shot during the first flashpoint near Democracy monument and civilians by grenades thrown from the red camp before "enough was enough". That, afterall, was the vast majority of casualties last year. Hypocrites they are.

You're right. As far as I can tell, "only" 86 (or more) were killed by the army.

You're wrong, till now no report on the real 'killers'. It seems to have started on April 10th, 2010, with five soldiers, one Japanese reporter and a dozen 'normal' Thai killed. Things didn't improve after. Obviously the guilty party is <fill in your personal preference>

Hi Rubl, There is obviously much to learn, a good reason for the investigation to continue. As for April 10th,

According to the Erawan Bangkok Emergency Medical Service Center, 25 people were killed in the clashes. The dead included Japanese cameraman Hiro Muramoto, 10 protesters, nine civilians and five uniformed soldiers.

[Buchholz]

BTW, the red shirts also condemned violent acts by other red shirts in this protest. For example :

On 30 April, more than 200 Red-Shirt protesters[93] forced their way into Chulalongkorn Hospital, which is near to the main protest site, searching for soldiers whom the protesters thought were hiding there. Hospital management had denied that troops were on its site. No soldiers were found after an hour of searching.[93] Following the incident, hospital staff moved approximately 600 patients to other facilities farther from the protest site. UDD leader Weng Tojirakarn, himself a medical doctor, apologized for the storming, calling it "inappropriate" and "unreasonable"

Any other condemnation examples, or is this one tepid example by only one Red Shirt Leader constitute the grand sum total of their "apology" for dozens of atrocities?

"Inappropriate"..."Unreasonable"...

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Edited November 29, 2011 by Buchholz

[ThaiOats]

of course the army personnel lives are as valuable as every other life. Exactly my point is that if the army had not been ordered to use lethal force against the protesters, many fewer would have died, and - maybe a long shot, but - possibly no one

You fail to realize that the Army were using rubber bullets and tear gas to repel the ARMED protesters. These armed protesters were lobbing grenades onto BTS stations, attacking their opponents (who happened to be civilians), causing injuries (which should not make it any more okay than deaths). When things got really heated and it seemed more and more ARMED Red shirts were getting out of control, the government had to say "enough is enough". What did you expect the service men to do, stand there and be cannon fodder? Would that be alright with you? What about the other regular civilians...who were going to protect them from these TERRORISTS.

you say that the army "were in danger just as anyone else". One, that is an occupational hazard of anyone in the army. Ask the guys who served in Afghanistan & Iraq - they know it. And normally, that is a service that can be done with honor. Two, in this case, the army was in danger due to the orders that they were given. The army's attack escalated the situation rather than diffusing it.

Imagine yourself being a service member standing in front of someone with a gun, who have used it and will not hesitate to use it against you. How are you going to make him think twice about using that gun? In this situation, you'd have to be armed as well, making him aware that if he intends to use that gun, there's a chance that he himself might suffer the same fate. In a battle or war, there's an attacker and a defender. In this case, the Red Shirts were the attacker while the defenders are the Army personnel and the "non colored" civilians are the victims. Let's suppose the Army didn't get involved, what does that leave you with. The attackers and the victims. Who's going to protect the farang riding on the BTS while grenades were being lobbed? Who's going to protect the regular people who just wanted to get on with their daily life without having to cower in fear of bombs and explosions? Let's remove the attackers and what do you have... a defender with nothing to defend against and victims no longer victims. Life goes back to normal.

If you want a peaceful protest, by all means, do it. However, DO NOT instigate burning down the city. DO NOT carry weapons. DO NOT act like savages by bring HIV infected blood to pour onto government buildings. DO NOT set buses on fire. This was NOT a peaceful protest at all and the minute weapons were brought out. It became a different ball game and "non-armed civilians" became "terrorists". If someone in my neighborhood was firing a gun and throwing grenades in order to get his political message across, I hope he's shot dead, plain and simple.

[Briggsy]

Has Khun Sunai filed charges with the International Criminal Court yet? No? No surprise there.

Has Khun Sunai set a date for filing charges yet? No? No surprise there.

More hot air. Thailand doesn't like international legislative bodies poking around its very dirty closets.

[Buchholz]

Has Khun Sunai filed charges with the International Criminal Court yet? No? No surprise there.

Has Khun Sunai set a date for filing charges yet? No? No surprise there.

More hot air. Thailand doesn't like international legislative bodies poking around its very dirty closets.

Red Shirt Pheu Thai Party MP Sunai, and presumably with his Red Shirt European supporters in tow, plan to file the charges on Dec. 9th.

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[jayboy]

Has Khun Sunai filed charges with the International Criminal Court yet? No? No surprise there.

Has Khun Sunai set a date for filing charges yet? No? No surprise there.

More hot air. Thailand doesn't like international legislative bodies poking around its very dirty closets.

Red Shirt Pheu Thai Party MP Sunai, and presumably with his Red Shirt European supporters in tow, plan to file the charges on Dec. 9th.

Zealots and uncritical supporters of the military apart, I don't suppose most balanced members are too alarmed at this development.All the evidence is that the initiative will not succeed but it is a useful reminder that the murder of civilians by the army cannot be wished away.

[philw]

Has Khun Sunai filed charges with the International Criminal Court yet? No? No surprise there.

Has Khun Sunai set a date for filing charges yet? No? No surprise there.

More hot air. Thailand doesn't like international legislative bodies poking around its very dirty closets.

Red Shirt Pheu Thai Party MP Sunai, and presumably with his Red Shirt European supporters in tow, plan to file the charges on Dec. 9th.

Zealots and uncritical supporters of the military apart, I don't suppose most balanced members are too alarmed at this development.All the evidence is that the initiative will not succeed but it is a useful reminder that the murder of civilians by the army cannot be wished away.

Nicely put.

[animatic]

Will he file anything against Thaksin, the police and 2500 dead people too?

As he moonlights as a writer for the extremist Red Shirt magazine, "Voice of Thaksin", I doubt it.

Pheu Thai Party MP Sunai Jullapongsathorn (standing and shouting in Parliament)

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Clearly some one big on ideology and super small on actual facts and understanding.

His whole act is lacking face, he just hasn't grasped that fact yet.

Som nom na.

[SICHONSTEVE]

Whether it be extradition requests, requests for political asylum, petitioning the World Court or asking the UN war crimes tribunal to become involved, whenever Thai politicians threaten to involve international legislative bodies in Thai affairs, they never follow through, they simply announce they are going to go to the respective international legislature and then we hear no more.

So basically they are unwittingly wasting their time again through ignorance!!!! They REALLY are not very clever are they - but what more would you expect from these "thuggish" farmer's boys intent on gaining retribution but incapable of gaining it against the very able Abhisit who will run rings around them on account of having a brilliant mind compared to their "amoeba brains" (I forgot, amoeba's don't have brains) but my comparison still counts as being valid nonetheless!!:jap:.

[Buchholz]

Has Khun Sunai filed charges with the International Criminal Court yet? No? No surprise there.

Has Khun Sunai set a date for filing charges yet? No? No surprise there.

More hot air. Thailand doesn't like international legislative bodies poking around its very dirty closets.

Red Shirt Pheu Thai Party MP Sunai, and presumably with his Red Shirt European supporters in tow, plan to file the charges on Dec. 9th.

Zealots and uncritical supporters of the military apart, I don't suppose most balanced members are too alarmed at this development.All the evidence is that the initiative will not succeed but it is a useful reminder that the murder of civilians by the army cannot be wished away.

Red Shirt Apologists and Enablers aside, yes, it never hurts to be reminded that the Red Shirt instigators of violence have not been held accountable and that efforts to do so will likely not succeed.

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Edited November 29, 2011 by Buchholz

[ThaiOats]

Has Khun Sunai filed charges with the International Criminal Court yet? No? No surprise there.

Has Khun Sunai set a date for filing charges yet? No? No surprise there.

More hot air. Thailand doesn't like international legislative bodies poking around its very dirty closets.

Red Shirt Pheu Thai Party MP Sunai, and presumably with his Red Shirt European supporters in tow, plan to file the charges on Dec. 9th.

Zealots and uncritical supporters of the military apart, I don't suppose most balanced members are too alarmed at this development.All the evidence is that the initiative will not succeed but it is a useful reminder that the murder of civilians by the army cannot be wished away.

While it was unclear whether or not the Army intended to murder civilians, what WAS CLEAR, was that armed Red Shirts were using whatever they had in their arsenal. It wasn't meant for defense, it was meant for offense. A man with a gun shoots a policeman, policeman shoots back.. I hope you don't argue that the policeman was at fault because that's what you're implying.

If you truly believe that the Army has a blood thirsty intention of killing unarmed civilians then there's not much that can persuade you to think otherwise.

[animatic]

so let me get this straight. a mob is organized to terrorize the country in order get what they want by force. They cause an unbelievable amount of damage to the country, money lost to businesses, threatened to burn down the country, it was obviously funded as we saw the videos of people getting paid before they got on the buses. Men in black with firearms, looting, arson and the list goes on. Now I forgot why they are going to court, something about justice?

The other news source say's they want this treated as a "special case." For some inane reason, they continue to feel as though they are a "special case" and are entitled to act out with no repercussions for their actions at all. I remember during the O.J. Siimpson trial, Judge Ito saying, "Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it." Not only could they get it, but perhaps get charges brought against some of their very dear idols as well.

I'm sure the International Court of Justice will not make a "special case" for P.T. nor will they tolerate the threats from the likes of the UDD and their followers if they can't get their way. Instead of trying to do it as a "special case" why don't they simply do the right thing and ask Yingluck to ratify the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court for Thailand, it's not that difficult. Maybe they would rather walk around feeling sorry themselves, placing blame on everyone else, and wanting to feel "special" all the time. The truth is, there is nothing "special" about any of them.

Ignoring the fact this Bozo can't count.

Fixated on the figure 91 dead, he ignores the fact many were killed by his side.

So is he perfectly happy to have his players go down for their actions? Doubtful.

As was said about a politicians words many years ago, and still apro pos,

"blather, blather, fart, blather."

Edited November 29, 2011 by animatic

[backtonormal]

It seems The Nation may have misunderstood. The other newspaper mentions a complaint to be raised with the ICC. Now that makes more sense.

Interestingly it also mentions that Pheu Thai party list MP Charuphan said since the cabinet had ratified the ICC Rome Convention of 2000 in 2009

They've read your post, rubl.

and address both points in their latest.

Sunai to file complaint with ICC over deaths of 91 reds

Pheu Thai MP Sunai to petition ICC against the 91 killed during military crackdown last year.

Pheu Thai MP Sunai Julponsathorn said Monday he will petition the International Criminal Court (ICC) at the Hague on December 9 to take up the crime against humanity case against the 91 who were killed during the military crackdown on red shirts in April and May last year.

Sunai said the move is aimed at making sure that there will be no suspicion that the current Pheu Thai government will interfere with the ongoing investigations by the local authorities.

Sunai, who is Chairman of the House Committee on Foreign Affairs, said he will use his own money for the travel and many red shirts in Europe have organized everything for him.

Sunai said both then Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva and his Deputy Suthep Thuaksubhan will have to be accountable as they were in charge of the crackdown last year.

Pheu Thai Party-list MP Kattiyar Sawasdiphol, whose father Maj Gen Kattiya Sawasdiphol was shot and killed by sniper fire last year said there has been no progress in the investigation of her father’s death and thus she is counting on the ICC to take up the case.

Thailand however is not among 119 member states to the ICC. It has not yet ratified the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court.

The Nation - 19 minutes ago

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This: Sunai said the move is aimed at making sure that there will be no suspicion that the current Pheu Thai government will interfere with the ongoing investigations by the local authorities.

is most important. After over 12 months of the DEms stalling the process an independant body may be the way forward. Everybody needs to know the story from both sides. Let the Reds present there evidence and the ex Gov and army present theirs. The PT mp sure is confident and good luck for appearing to do the right thing. Its nots just the relatives of the deceased that need answers its the group that where badly injured by sniper bullets. Snipers attempted to kill people(over 2000 sniper rounds fired),under orders, and if it were not for luck, crosswinds and poor shooting the death toll could have quadrupled.

What ever side your allegiance the same questions need answering if we want reconcilliation

1 Who gave the orders

2. What were those orders

3. Who were the orders given too

4. were those orders obeyed

5. If disobeyed, who made the decision to disobey.

I am sorry some Dem supporters dont see this stage in the reconcilliation process but it will happen

Edited November 29, 2011 by sbk
do not edit quotes please- re-quote the relevant piece

[Buchholz]

Will he file anything against Thaksin, the police and 2500 dead people too?

As he moonlights as a writer for the extremist Red Shirt magazine, "Voice of Thaksin", I doubt it.

Pheu Thai Party MP Sunai Jullapongsathorn (standing and shouting in Parliament)

Clearly some one big on ideology and super small on actual facts and understanding.

His whole act is lacking face, he just hasn't grasped that fact yet.

Som nom na.

His fellow Pheu Thai MP also a flair for Parliament speeches..

Link to Bizarre Photo

Sathaporn Maneerat (right), a member of the Pheu Thai Party gestures with a slingshot while wearing a mask commonly used by red shirt protesters during his debate against the Thai government at the Parliament in Bangkok June 1, 2010.

[backtonormal]

Has Khun Sunai filed charges with the International Criminal Court yet? No? No surprise there.

Has Khun Sunai set a date for filing charges yet? No? No surprise there.

More hot air. Thailand doesn't like international legislative bodies poking around its very dirty closets.

Red Shirt Pheu Thai Party MP Sunai, and presumably with his Red Shirt European supporters in tow, plan to file the charges on Dec. 9th.

Zealots and uncritical supporters of the military apart, I don't suppose most balanced members are too alarmed at this development.All the evidence is that the initiative will not succeed but it is a useful reminder that the murder of civilians by the army cannot be wished away.

While it was unclear whether or not the Army intended to murder civilians what WAS CLEAR, was that armed Red Shirts were using whatever they had in their arsenal. It wasn't meant for defense, it was meant for offense. A man with a gun shoots a policeman, policeman shoots back.. I hope you don't argue that the policeman was at fault because that's what you're implying.

If you truly believe that the Army has a blood thirsty intention of killing unarmed civilians then there's not much that can persuade you to think otherwise.

I didn't read that..did I. over 2200 sniper rounds not signed back in. Now if we allow 1000 missing for souveniers were did the other 1000 go. Do you think they were taking pot shots at signs. People were targeted..who gave those orders.

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[jayboy]

While it was unclear whether or not the Army intended to murder civilians, what WAS CLEAR, was that armed Red Shirts were using whatever they had in their arsenal. It wasn't meant for defense, it was meant for offense. A man with a gun shoots a policeman, policeman shoots back.. I hope you don't argue that the policeman was at fault because that's what you're implying.

If you truly believe that the Army has a blood thirsty intention of killing unarmed civilians then there's not much that can persuade you to think otherwise.

I do not think the army set out intending to murder civilians and in fact I believe the operation was generally professionally conducted.I also believe there were violent elements within the Red shirt encampment, although their origin and paymasters remain mysterious.I believe there were however some appalling abuses by the army which resulted in the murder of many civilians.The army has consistently refused to cooperate in the investigations.I believe the HRW is the most credible report so far produced and as you suggest it identifies abuses on both sides.To date no investigation has been made of the role of politicians (Abhisit, Suthep etc) or senior army officers (Prayuth etc).It may be they would be exonerated but we will never know without a full and transparent inquiry.

[backtonormal]

Has Khun Sunai filed charges with the International Criminal Court yet? No? No surprise there.

Has Khun Sunai set a date for filing charges yet? No? No surprise there.

More hot air. Thailand doesn't like international legislative bodies poking around its very dirty closets.

Red Shirt Pheu Thai Party MP Sunai, and presumably with his Red Shirt European supporters in tow, plan to file the charges on Dec. 9th.

Zealots and uncritical supporters of the military apart, I don't suppose most balanced members are too alarmed at this development.All the evidence is that the initiative will not succeed but it is a useful reminder that the murder of civilians by the army cannot be wished away.

Red Shirt Apologists and Enablers aside, yes, it never hurts to be reminded that the Red Shirt instigators of violence have not been held accountable and that efforts to do so will likely not succeed.

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Wrong was done on both sides undoubtedly but lets move to a neutral venue and present the evidence. This scares the pants of those that gave the orders. What were those orders, its a good starting point and if those orders were the catalyst for retaliation lets hear it. The story is out there but it appears that many are blustering to prevent the truth appearing. One side in this dispute has a long history, not years but decades of suppressing people with extreme violence. The CC of the army has already stated that if an investigation finds the army guilty he will take the blame, cant give you a link on here because not surprisingly this neutral forum does not print such nonsense.