ableguy Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 How long before the Election Commission is fired and a new batch brought in? GOOD POINT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macmundi Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Shouldn't have released him from jail at the start. He's an embarrassment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 What took them so long??? And, BTW, whatever happened to the broader issue of certain high-profile banned politicians being very much involved in the past election campaign on behalf of PTP? For a long time, there was a lot of speculation that those circumstances could lead to various disqualifications and such... Was that issue ever settled? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Yai Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Shouldn't have released him from jail at the start. He's an embarrassment. There should be a dozen more like him , as people like him are a great asset to the Dems . :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lopburi99 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 (edited) Fantastic news. I've hated that SOB since I repeatedly saw him on television screaming from the stage for the Red Shirts to 'Burn down Bangkok'. F#@king terrorist. Blew my mind that because he was an MP he escaped jail. MPs can be terrorists too. Something very very wrong with that picture. Edited November 30, 2011 by Lopburi99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 he will just take things as they come, as life has never been easy for him. That would be more believable if it was his mother who was saying that about her life http://www.thailandoutlook.tv/toc/ViewData.aspx?DataID=1013675 http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/2009/10/23/politics/Jatuporn-stirs-anger-in-house-over-motion-30115070.html http://thainews.prd.go.th/en/news.php?id=254905170037 http://www.google.co.th/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4ADBS_enTH316TH316&q=jatuporn+mother&btnG=Search&meta=&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigermonkey Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 If I remember correctly, is this the guy that was put in jail awaiting for charges to be laid against him? Didn't he apply for bail in order to vote, but was denied? If so, would he have a case that his bail was denied by the powers that be in order to prevent him from voting? Charges have been laid against him. Several, in fact. He was in pre-trial confinement after his cash bail was revoked for violating the conditions of his bail. ALL prisoners in confinement are prohibited by Corrections Department regulations from leaving the prison to vote. I'm sure Jatuporn in his never-ending quest to end double standards would not object to that and instead demand that he has special privileges not accorded to others in the same situation as his. . " He was in pre-trial confinement after his cash bail was revoked for violating the conditions of his bail." The bail conditions pertained to not provoking unrest or terrorism. Actually, according to all of the sources which I saw ( Thai and English) , his bail was revoked due to t he pending lese majeste charges which were being filed by the army. There was never more than a vague reference ( via the pending lese majeste charges) to him having violated bail conditions, although more may have been documented or said by the courts revoking his bail. All done in an apparently legally untidy manner IMO. Whatever happened to those lese majeste charges that the army were filing against him ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moe666 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Good time for the PTP to cut this guy loose with anchor tied to his neck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otherstuff1957 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 So, how many Redshirts will show up outside the EC headquarters? And, of course, will they stay outside or will they go inside to have a serious chat with the EC members, as they did during the protests? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdoom6996 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 To prevent any double standards I would assume, once the Constitution Court approves this, Mr. Jatuporn will be led back to his jail cell to await his trial on terrorism charges. I see sarcasm is a form of communication too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdoom6996 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Jatuporn Defends Himself Against Disqualification as MP Pheu Thai Party MP Jatuporn Prompan insisted that he has a justifiable reason for his failure to cast his vote for the July 3rd election. He sniped at the Election Commission's decision, saying it does not surprise him. Pheu Thai Party list MP Jatuporn Phromphan said he is not surprised by the Election Commission's decision to strip him of his MP status, as he anticipated this result. Jatuporn said he is well aware of being a prime target of political rivals and he believes the Constitution Court will rule similarly to the Election Commission. He insisted that he was not granted bail and therefore was unable to go to the polling station at the Wangthonglang District Office on July 3. The Pheu Thai MP is hoping his case will set a precedent for politicians who may have different views from those in power, as they could easily fall victim to political bullying. He believes the disqualification case against him is just an initial step that will lead to further scheming. When asked whether he is worried about possible legal cases that could be filed against him, as he will no longer have immunity after his MP status is revoked, Jatuporn said that should not be a problem and he will just take things as they come, as life has never been easy for him. -- Tan Network 2011-11-30 "he will just take things as they come, as life has never been easy for him." What about the poor people that believe his BS. Corrupt , flip flopping SOB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 (edited) If I remember correctly, is this the guy that was put in jail awaiting for charges to be laid against him? Didn't he apply for bail in order to vote, but was denied? If so, would he have a case that his bail was denied by the powers that be in order to prevent him from voting? Charges have been laid against him. Several, in fact. He was in pre-trial confinement after his cash bail was revoked for violating the conditions of his bail. ALL prisoners in confinement are prohibited by Corrections Department regulations from leaving the prison to vote. I'm sure Jatuporn in his never-ending quest to end double standards would not object to that and instead demand that he has special privileges not accorded to others in the same situation as his. . " He was in pre-trial confinement after his cash bail was revoked for violating the conditions of his bail." The bail conditions pertained to not provoking unrest or terrorism. Actually, according to all of the sources which I saw ( Thai and English) , his bail was revoked due to t he pending lese majeste charges which were being filed by the army. There was never more than a vague reference ( via the pending lese majeste charges) to him having violated bail conditions, although more may have been documented or said by the courts revoking his bail. All done in an apparently legally untidy manner IMO. Whatever happened to those lese majeste charges that the army were filing against him ? The two situations are related. His bail conditions basically told him to behave himself. While out on bail, he didn't: 2011-05-12 Court Revokes Jatuporn's Bail The Criminal Court has revoked red shirt leader Jatuporn Prompan's bail after he violated bail conditions. His LM case, amongst several others he faces, are still pending. . Edited November 30, 2011 by Buchholz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker69 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Fantastic news. I've hated that SOB since I repeatedly saw him on television screaming from the stage for the Red Shirts to 'Burn down Bangkok'. F#@king terrorist. Blew my mind that because he was an MP he escaped jail. MPs can be terrorists too. Something very very wrong with that picture. 100% agreed. Lets hope this loose cannon will be locked up once and for all. I woulden´t mind if they trow away the key as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 (edited) Good time for the PTP to cut this guy loose with anchor tied to his neck. The PTP could have done that last May by simply putting him further down their Party-list MP roster, but by putting him so high up on their priorities, at # 8, he was absolutely assured of becoming an MP. Of course, that would have been predicated on the notion that the PTP was interested in distancing themselves from the Red Shirts and as evidenced by the 10 or so Red Shirts now in Parliament, that's certainly not the case. . Edited November 30, 2011 by Buchholz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SICHONSTEVE Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Oh. What a pity. Yes!!! I'm totally devastated by this - I'm not sure how I'm going to get through the day without shedding a tear or two!!! This fine upstanding gentleman deserves better than this from a "kangaroo court" invariably set up by Abhisit's lot determined to frame and condemn this innocent martyr!!! Anybody else old enough to remember the "George Davis is innocent" campaign. Consistent irritancy and a messed up cricket pitch and it worked!!! They released him - OK he was caught red-handed a short while after in an armed robbery, but that's besides the point. I think someone should organise a "Chatuporn Chompun is innocent" campaign to give this victim the justice he deserves in a civilised society!!!!:jap:. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigermonkey Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 (edited) " He was in pre-trial confinement after his cash bail was revoked for violating the conditions of his bail." The bail conditions pertained to not provoking unrest or terrorism. Actually, according to all of the sources which I saw ( Thai and English) , his bail was revoked due to t he pending lese majeste charges which were being filed by the army. There was never more than a vague reference ( via the pending lese majeste charges) to him having violated bail conditions, although more may have been documented or said by the courts revoking his bail. All done in an apparently legally untidy manner IMO. Whatever happened to those lese majeste charges that the army were filing against him ? The two situations are related. His bail conditions basically told him to behave himself. While out on bail, he didn't: 2011-05-12 Court Revokes Jatuporn's Bail The Criminal Court has revoked red shirt leader Jatuporn Prompan's bail after he violated bail conditions. http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__4418038 His LM case, amongst several others he faces, are still pending. . Your're missing the point -- bail conditions are usually relatively specific and not merely " to behave" -- and I agree that he did not behave. In his case the bail conditions, I understand, were to not provoke/incite unrest or terrorism. Bail would need to be revoked on these grounds, or he could be arrested on a new charge such as the LM charges from the army ( which may or may not later be filed).. If it was only " behave himself", his bail could be revoked for littering or driving his vehicle too fast, which I am sure he did. The LM charges are an entirely different matter, and although as you point out the "two situations are related", they have no legal bearing on the bail revokation. I repeat it is very " legally untidy" and leaves a large legal hole. The Constitution Court could find that his bail was improperly revoked, and hence he was improperly denied his opportunity to vote, and then ?? My only question about this method of bail revocation is whether or not it was intentional, in order to create a future problem -- or merely sloppy court action. Edited November 30, 2011 by tigermonkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpoint Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 he will just take things as they come, as life has never been easy for him. Life's harder when you're an inveterate liar. Or indeed, being the grub he is, an invertebrate liar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 The two situations are related. His bail conditions basically told him to behave himself. While out on bail, he didn't: 2011-05-12 Court Revokes Jatuporn's Bail The Criminal Court has revoked red shirt leader Jatuporn Prompan's bail after he violated bail conditions. http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__4418038 His LM case, amongst several others he faces, are still pending. . Your're missing the point -- bail conditions are usually relatively specific and not merely " to behave" -- and I agree that he did not behave. In his case the bail conditions, I understand, were to not provoke/incite unrest or terrorism. Bail would need to be revoked on these grounds, or he could be arrested on a new charge such as the LM charges from the army ( which may or may not later be filed).. If it was only " behave himself", his bail could be revoked for littering or driving his vehicle too fast, which I am sure he did. The LM charges are an entirely different matter, and although as you point out the "two situations are related", they have no legal bearing on the bail revokation. I repeat it is very " legally untidy" and leaves a large legal hole. The Constitution Court could find that his bail was improperly revoked, and hence he was improperly denied his opportunity to vote, and then ?? My only question about this method of bail revocation is whether or not it was intentional, in order to create a future problem -- or merely sloppy court action. The LM offense occurred while he was out on bail. LM speech can easily be construed as "inciting unrest" in Thailand. Apologies for shortening the list of bail revocation conditions to "behaving", but that is essentially what they boil down to, albeit I didn't intend for that generality to be misinterpreted as something minor like littering. I see no loophole in his bail revocation as he failed to comply with those conditions to which he had agreed to. It's pretty straight forward. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lite Beer Posted November 30, 2011 Author Share Posted November 30, 2011 Jatuporn holds a press conference saying he doesn't care if he's stripped of his MP status and will continue his fight outside Parliament/TAN_Network Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintofsilence Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 This is one reason all charges against him are taken up hastily if that is possible . He is a loose cannon and needs stopping before more damage is done or he gets a chance to vote again and return as an mp once more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yumidesign Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 he was refused bail, because he did not abide with bail conditions, could not vote, so could not become a MP simple NOT why is he one? or thats right he is above the law Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Jatuporn holds a press conference saying he doesn't care if he's stripped of his MP status and will continue his fight outside Parliament/TAN_Network He is much more adept at fighting in the streets.... or at least having others fight for him in the streets. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoshiwara Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Mr Thaksin will not be happy. The phone line will be busy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammered Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 This is actually an interesting decision as it now gives those with the power a great way to keep those they dont like away from parliament especially when bearing in mind Jatuporn wasnt convicted of anything by a court. Interesting when considering seperation of power in a parliamentary system and remembering that in parliamentary systems the legilature is considered the supreme body of the triumvarate: government, legislature, judiciary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crushdepth Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 This is actually an interesting decision as it now gives those with the power a great way to keep those they dont like away from parliament especially when bearing in mind Jatuporn wasnt convicted of anything by a court. Interesting when considering seperation of power in a parliamentary system and remembering that in parliamentary systems the legilature is considered the supreme body of the triumvarate: government, legislature, judiciary It's hard to convict him of anything when he has immunity from prosecution. Nobody forced him to breach his bail conditions, he has to wear the blame for his own predicament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Jatuporn's reaction Article (in Thai) from Daily News http://www.dailynews...ontentID=178785 Beat me, whip me, make me write bad checks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 This is actually an interesting decision as it now gives those with the power a great way to keep those they dont like away from parliament especially when bearing in mind Jatuporn wasnt convicted of anything by a court. Interesting when considering seperation of power in a parliamentary system and remembering that in parliamentary systems the legilature is considered the supreme body of the triumvarate: government, legislature, judiciary It's hard to convict him of anything when he has immunity from prosecution. Nobody forced him to breach his bail conditions, he has to wear the blame for his own predicament. No one forced him to say things in stage that got him back in stir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaiChai Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Think its interesting to note that even though Taksin controlled the government in power before (the cook/brother inlaw PMs), it did not prevent him from being prosecuted for corruption. My take on this is that even though he countrols the current government, it does not mean he controls the justice system. This is a good thing: it means checks and balances are still in place. Glad to see the whole system cannot be corrupted. Whether you are a red shirt or yellow shirt supporter, it makes no difference. Those performing terrorist acts or blantently breaking the law, such as the airport closure, should be prosecuted. Have a rally, get your point across, but respect and don't break the law! MPs should be upstanding citizens that we can look up to and admire. Not perform criminal acts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 This is actually an interesting decision as it now gives those with the power a great way to keep those they dont like away from parliament especially when bearing in mind Jatuporn wasnt convicted of anything by a court. Interesting when considering seperation of power in a parliamentary system and remembering that in parliamentary systems the legilature is considered the supreme body of the triumvarate: government, legislature, judiciary Election commissions tend to be independant regulatory agencies, and that's a good thing. Just one more of those "pillars" upon which a democracy rests. It's a real shame so many people are under the misimpression that elections are the sole determinant of what is lawful and in the people's interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendejo Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 I think of him as the mascot of the reds. And barking mad. He's amusing the same way the screaming nutters in the US teaparty can be. If the puppetmaster ever returns his loyalty will be rewarded, one way or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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