Thaksin Passport Takes Us Out Of The Water, Into The Fire:

[ozzieman05]

Animatic, you take the time to inform yourself. Have you seen any information that describes the technical benefits Thaksin receives due to the reissuing of his passport?

IMO that is the only thing that could be relevant, the rest is just the politicians talking/lying among themselves and to the people.

I think you are looking at it through the mirror glass. The question is why Thaksin, that waxed poetical in that letter he has his PR department write,about not doing things that would further polarize Thai society, if there's no benefit for him in having a Thai passport then why did he ask for it?

Because if there's no "technical benefit" for him, and its obviously an action, specially carried out the way it was, that would push "reconciliation" back several steps then why do it?

Thaskin never does anything that is not a step towards his dictatorship of Thailand

Do the words

A small step to start with, then take giant steps to achieve the end required

Come to my Mind

[TAWP]

At the moment, I cannot think of a single former Head of State in a democracy who has served time in jail ...

You are so cute...

Alberto Fujimori?

Katsav?

And that is only from the last years.

[ginjag]

He didn't say "do", he said "should", and the moment people simply accept them getting away with it, and the moment people like you, mock others for expecting that they shouldn't be allowed to, is the moment when things get even worse.

Hahahhahhahahhahhahhahaha, wow, many of the members of this forum have a real fertile imagination

Other members specialise in trotting out silly meaningless one-liners with smilies.

Agree with you,rixaflex, it's a pity some minority on forum were not brought up to know right and wrong, fertile imagination Ha Ha, caribeanman ...........at some time in your life you have taken the wrong turning==if you think that this superman should return--and also sounds like your not joking...amazing, try another medicine.

[slapout]

At the moment, I cannot think of a single former Head of State in a democracy who has served time in jail ...

You are so cute...

Alberto Fujimori?

Katsav?

And that is only from the last years.

There have been a few cases, where death saved the nation/world going thru the exercise of the courts. Then there were the ones who were content to take their ill gotten gains and retire quietly and out of the public eye. Some might say, there is still hope for Thaksin to follow in the appropriate footsteps.

[ginjag]

At the moment, I cannot think of a single former Head of State in a democracy who has served time in jail ...

You are so cute...

Alberto Fujimori?

Katsav?

And that is only from the last years.

so cute Ha Ha-------tasty--good for a bbq but 20 more years on he has changed a little

[whybother]

1) not a red apologist

2) giving Thaksin a passport is breaking which laws?

3) I don't care what the argument is about. if Thaksin's having a Thai passport doesn't change anything, then <deleted> are all of you posters talking about here besides satisfying the daily requirement to vent anger and indignation on TVF?

Apparently it's against ministry regulations to issue passports to those under an arrest warrant.

[tlansford]

Animatic, you take the time to inform yourself. Have you seen any information that describes the technical benefits Thaksin receives due to the reissuing of his passport?

IMO that is the only thing that could be relevant, the rest is just the politicians talking/lying among themselves and to the people.

I think you are looking at it through the mirror glass. The question is why Thaksin, that waxed poetical in that letter he has his PR department write,about not doing things that would further polarize Thai society, if there's no benefit for him in having a Thai passport then why did he ask for it?

Because if there's no "technical benefit" for him, and its obviously an action, specially carried out the way it was, that would push "reconciliation" back several steps then why do it?

I agree completely with your last question. Why do it? There is no benefit and it generates political opposition. I don't see the upside for anyone.

[ginjag]

1) not a red apologist

2) giving Thaksin a passport is breaking which laws?

3) I don't care what the argument is about. if Thaksin's having a Thai passport doesn't change anything, then <deleted> are all of you posters talking about here besides satisfying the daily requirement to vent anger and indignation on TVF?

Apparently it's against ministry regulations to issue passports to those under an arrest warrant.

So sad, when you have the said laws, and PMs can brush them aside, together with the police and other establishments, like some banks This land should be re classified and downgraded. Downright blatant,dictatorial selfish are a few words that come to mind-----only to breed more hate,hardship. Don't the powers that be are going to cause a hell of an ASIA spring---HERE.............only the people can stop it, but majority cannot see it, as they have been fed low education for this reason.---lost for sincere words -in this world honesty is taking a back seat.

[maidu]

from the OP:

Last but not least, why did Surapong say just over a week ago that he "will" give Thaksin back his passport as a New Year or even Christmas gift? Why did he use the future tense when talking about something that he had already done?

The writer puts it a lot more nicely than I would. It's lying, plain and simple. Who is surprised? Remember PT's motto; "Thaksin Thinks, Puea Thai Acts." ....still true.

PT party cannot help but lie. Their guru lies every time he makes a statement. His lawyers are even worse, if that's possible.

In case anyone is still being successfully flicked by PT's forked tongue, let me clue you in: Yingluck, Chalerm, the FM and everyone in PT party and all the Reds want one thing more than any other: THEY WANT THAKSIN BACK IN THE PM's CHAIR. and they want it to happen a.s.a.p. If that ship of fools deny it, then it's simply one added lie - mai pen rai. As long as the sheeple of Thailand believe it, that's all that counts for them. Thaitanic, here we come.

[maidu]

Qq

Is it really such a big deal Thaksin gets his Thai passport back? All sorts of people have passports after all.

Good point. Have not seen a single report that explains what technical difference this makes.

A rather lame point actually. And irrelevant.

Actually a good point, because until the fact that Thaksin has a Thai passport facilitates any noticable change, to anything that goes on in the world, or more specifically in Thailand.......it really is a non event.....

It is the next moves that will determine the future of Thailand, not a simple returning of the passport........

With a Thai passport, he's one step closer to being PM. The conviction will overturned, that's a given. Chalerm (sometimes T's lap dog, sometimes his attack dog) will make sure of it. Yingluck pretends she's out of the loop. The FM is the attack dog of the moment. After the FM gets pulverized by the press, then another attack dog will be deputized to come forth. Regardless, it's all for the same goal: getting Thaksin back to being PM a.s.a.p.

[473geo]

Any of you aware of who Taksin's biggest campaign contributors were in past elections?

Which particular elections are you talking about there has been change, a recent report perhaps, highlighted by a certain BKK pundit? - but slightly off topic in this thread

[473geo]

With a Thai passport, he's one step closer to being PM. The conviction will overturned, that's a given. Chalerm (sometimes T's lap dog, sometimes his attack dog) will make sure of it. Yingluck pretends she's out of the loop. The FM is the attack dog of the moment. After the FM gets pulverized by the press, then another attack dog will be deputized to come forth. Regardless, it's all for the same goal: getting Thaksin back to being PM a.s.a.p.

I don't think thaksin will ever be PM of Thailand again........but you are welcome along with others to fabricate your own dream/nightmares as you wish

Edited December 18, 2011 by 473geo

[tlansford]

At the moment, I cannot think of a single former Head of State in a democracy who has served time in jail ...

You are so cute...

Alberto Fujimori?

Katsav?

And that is only from the last years.

How touching, ...

Fujimori, that is a bit of a stretch, but technically, correct.

on 5 April 1992, Fujimori with the support of the military carried out a presidential coup,[43] also known as the autogolpe (auto-coup or self-coup) or Fujigolpe (Fuji-coup) in Peru. He shut down Congress, suspended the constitution, and purged the judiciary.[

[hellodolly]

1) not a red apologist

As stated on another thread, that argument would be much more convincing if, on occasions such as these, when the current red backed government lies through its teeth, you came out and voiced some degree of disagreement with that act. You do not. Instead you laugh.

2) giving Thaksin a passport is breaking which laws?

Personally delivering passports to convicted felons on the run breaks the law of simple common sense. Yes it might be legal, but does it make any sense? i don't think to sane law-abiding people it does.

3) I don't care what the argument is about. if Thaksin's having a Thai passport doesn't change anything, then <deleted> are all of you posters talking about here besides satisfying the daily requirement to vent anger and indignation on TVF?

See above.

If he believed his stuff I would have to ask why he is even bothering to read it as well as defend it.

[caribbeanman]

He didn't say "do", he said "should", and the moment people simply accept them getting away with it, and the moment people like you, mock others for expecting that they shouldn't be allowed to, is the moment when things get even worse.

Hahahhahhahahhahhahhahaha, wow, many of the members of this forum have a real fertile imagination

Other members specialise in trotting out silly meaningless one-liners with smilies.

Agree with you,rixaflex, it's a pity some minority on forum were not brought up to know right and wrong, fertile imagination Ha Ha, caribeanman ...........at some time in your life you have taken the wrong turning==if you think that this superman should return--and also sounds like your not joking...amazing, try another medicine.

It seems that you guys can stop not to put thoughts and words in other peoples brains and mouths, respectively

Edited December 18, 2011 by caribbeanman

[hellodolly]

Qq

Is it really such a big deal Thaksin gets his Thai passport back? All sorts of people have passports after all.

Good point. Have not seen a single report that explains what technical difference this makes.

A rather lame point actually. And irrelevant.

Actually a good point, because until the fact that Thaksin has a Thai passport facilitates any noticable change, to anything that goes on in the world, or more specifically in Thailand.......it really is a non event.....

It is the next moves that will determine the future of Thailand, not a simple returning of the passport........

The way it was handled may be technically correct except for the delivery part but that is not the point it is the manner in which it was handled. On second thought that is technical wrong to deliver by diplomatic pouch a passport.

I take it you agree that there is no noticeable change they are still worthless. The difference is now we have a better understanding of their way of doing business.

It tells us what kind of a government we have here in Thailand today.

Not one a rational person would vote for.

[maidu]

It tells us what kind of a government we have here in Thailand today.

Not one a rational person would vote for.

'Rational' is not a word that jumps to mind when describing Thai voters.

[ginjag]

caribbeanman--#75

Because majority of TVF posters are seemingly anti government, isn't it telling you something, there are a vast lot of different posters from many nationalities here, and to your way of thinking along with a smuttering of others think most are ganging together. WRONG, to my mind posters are usually seeing what is unfolding in LOS, looking at the problems head on and constructive criticism is healthy, my attitude is calling a spade a spade-being honest,open about subjects. If you cannot see there is something horribly wrong here, I dont understand. Trying to find the good points from this regime-and it is getting there-is difficult.

You are quite entitled to Have Your Say........BUT if all is good here say it, not get back at posters who think it's wrong.

[rubl]

Qq

Is it really such a big deal Thaksin gets his Thai passport back? All sorts of people have passports after all.

Good point. Have not seen a single report that explains what technical difference this makes.

A rather lame point actually. And irrelevant.

Animatic, you take the time to inform yourself. Have you seen any information that describes the technical benefits Thaksin receives due to the reissuing of his passport?

IMO that is the only thing that could be relevant, the rest is just the politicians talking/lying among themselves and to the people.

For some of us it's a matter of principle, totally independent of what k. Thaksin may or may not be able to do with this brand new passport.

K. Thaksin got his (old) passport back in 2008 when he asked to be allowed to travel to Beijing to watch the Summer Olympics. Pledging to return immediately after, his wish was granted and his passport returned for this occasion. K. Thaksin did not return, therefor became a bail jumper. Scared to await the conclusion of his trial, a trial which could conclude because it already was just awaiting the conclusion (otherwise it would have been halted till he got back). K. Thaksin is therefor a convicted criminal on the run.

Now tell me, do you know any civilised country where such a person can just go to the local embassy and apply for a new passport AND having it granted within a day?

Edited December 18, 2011 by rubl

[rubl]

he will be back and do no time in prision , any Democratic leader ousted in a Coup should have that right. All western countires have the democracy so why not thiland. i for one along with millions of thais will be happy he has his passport back and does return home. the nation is so biased, must have Murdochs infulence in there some where.

Democratic leaders that break the law still should go to jail.

should, but don't. Nixon pardoned by his former VP, and more up-to-date, this :

Chirac guilty of embezzlement, but avoids jail

At the moment, I cannot think of a single former Head of State in a democracy who has served time in jail ...

This discussion moved a bit off track. In most countries the 'democratic leader' is NOT the 'head of state'. Regarding the topic we should be talking about (ex-)Prime Ministers. Yahoo or Google a bit and you'll find a few

[animatic]

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Is it really such a big deal Thaksin gets his Thai passport back? All sorts of people have passports after all.

Good point. Have not seen a single report that explains what technical difference this makes.

A rather lame point actually. And irrelevant.

Animatic, you take the time to inform yourself. Have you seen any information that describes the technical benefits Thaksin receives due to the reissuing of his passport?

IMO that is the only thing that could be relevant, the rest is just the politicians talking/lying among themselves and to the people.

For some of us it's a matter of principle, totally independent of what k. Thaksin may or may not be able to do with this brand new passport.

K. Thaksin got his (old) passport back in 2008 when he asked to be allowed to travel to Beijing to watch the Summer Olympics. Pledging to return immediately after, his wish was granted and his passport returned for this occasion. K. Thaksin did not return, therefor became a bail jumper. Scared to await the conclusion of his trial, a trial which could conclude because it already was just awaiting the conclusion (otherwise it would have been halted till he got back). K. Thaksin is therefor a convicted criminal on the run.

Now tell me, do you know any civilised country where such a person can just go to the local embassy and apply for a new passport AND having it granted within a day?

He gains face with it's return. His whole act has been about salvaging his lost face.The way it was technially done is the issue of incorrectness. The arguements for giving it back to him here are illogical and poorly considered. That there is no report that any individual 'has seen' in the press at present is also irrelevant.

Edited December 18, 2011 by animatic

[MaiChai]

Thaksin passport takes us out of the fire, into the water

It's about time. Just as I said would happen after the jealous thieves pulled the illegal coup. Nothing but up from here for Thailand. And to all of you who said I was wrong, let the jealousy begin. I have only seen half it,,,,, but I have heard it all.

You are not wrong, and nobody is jealous. We simply do not want the civil war that you pine away for. The very justified coup in 2006 was necessary to remove the criminal fugitive, Thaksin the Tyrant, from turning the country into his own personal kingdom.

The blood that is going to be in the streets when the civil war starts will be on your hands. I wonder how smug and satisfied you will feel then? Maybe someone you care about will be among the first to die? It could even be you. Ever consider that?

If you consider civil war and thousands of deaths "up", I pity you. You are truly a sad individual.

Civil war won't happen. Most Thais don't care about what the pooyais in Bangkok do. Remember its a very hierarchical society and everyone knows their place in it. My personal view is that the military is the ultimate power and they will put their foot down when things get out of hand, as they have done in the past. As others have said, Thais are not ready for democracy, and the system is very easily abused by those with lots of money. Politicians are corrupt, lie and in it for themselves. This is what happens all over the world, but in other countries the public do have a say in what the politicians do and they make them accountable, unlike here.

What will happen next? As in the past, there is only so much abuse of the system that will be tolerated until the military act. The rule of law should be respected, but when that is no longer respected and its blatantly abused, then they will act. So back to Abhisit and co for now to look at the legal aspects and see if any laws have been broken or any procedures not followed.

Edited December 18, 2011 by MaiChai

[bino]

Animatic, you take the time to inform yourself. Have you seen any information that describes the technical benefits Thaksin receives due to the reissuing of his passport?

IMO that is the only thing that could be relevant, the rest is just the politicians talking/lying among themselves and to the people.

I think you are looking at it through the mirror glass. The question is why Thaksin, that waxed poetical in that letter he has his PR department write,about not doing things that would further polarize Thai society, if there's no benefit for him in having a Thai passport then why did he ask for it?

Because if there's no "technical benefit" for him, and its obviously an action, specially carried out the way it was, that would push "reconciliation" back several steps then why do it?

I agree completely with your last question. Why do it? There is no benefit and it generates political opposition. I don't see the upside for anyone.

The upside is for Thaksin in a big way. I explained this for you before on another thread, but anyway;

It will strengthen his position in the global community as a person who isn't a criminal and belongs in jail, but rather one who has been treated unfairly by previous governments and military regimes. After all, I believe it is pretty much standard policy in every civilized country to deny passports and travel documents to convicted criminals, especially those who are on the run from prison sentences and outstanding warrants. If Thailand will give Thaksin a passport, he must be Mr. Clean, right? Robert Amsterdam could make a lot of hay out of this fact.

For the average guy like you and me who can't afford to spend megabucks on a Montenegrin citizenship, having our passports revoked would be drastic indeed. The eventuality would be having to return to our respective homeland to face the laws and due process that caused the revocation. Thaksin will go to every length / spend whatever it takes / bribe anyone possible to avoid this, and even more so of these if he can regain lost face.

[JAG]

I agree (and hope and pray)that Civil War is unlikely, and I agree that most Thais simply do not care that much, especially away from Bangkok. The Thai Army may well consider itself the ultimate power, but I am not sure that they could pull off another coup, or more particularly retain control outside Bangkok after a coup. I rather suspect that they have done their appreciation and realise that.

As far as democracy is concerned, over the last ten years or so the Thai electorate have had a taste of selecting their own government, however imperfect the process may have been. I don't think that genie can be put back into the bottle.

[letitbe]

Thaksin passport takes us out of the fire, into the water

It's about time. Just as I said would happen after the jealous thieves pulled the illegal coup. Nothing but up from here for Thailand. And to all of you who said I was wrong, let the jealousy begin. I have only seen half it,,,,, but I have heard it all.

You are not wrong, and nobody is jealous. We simply do not want the civil war that you pine away for. The very justified coup in 2006 was necessary to remove the criminal fugitive, Thaksin the Tyrant, from turning the country into his own personal kingdom.

The blood that is going to be in the streets when the civil war starts will be on your hands. I wonder how smug and satisfied you will feel then? Maybe someone you care about will be among the first to die? It could even be you. Ever consider that?

If you consider civil war and thousands of deaths "up", I pity you. You are truly a sad individual.

+1 my sentiments exactly.

+2 could not put it better if you can get your assets out of here as fast as you can I am but some cant be liquidated Sad times ahead for sure and Taksin apologists will then hopefully hide their heads in shame if they ever take them out of sand

[hagler]

If the issuance and continuing possession of a passport was based on not having a criminal record then 50% of the farang population of Thailand would not be in the country.

[EyesWideOpen]

I just made a 1000 baht bet with my friend that Thaksin will be back in Thailand within two months. Will I win or lose ??

[hellodolly]

Any of you aware of who Taksin's biggest campaign contributors were in past elections?

Which particular elections are you talking about there has been change, a recent report perhaps, highlighted by a certain BKK pundit? - but slightly off topic in this thread

The question occurs to me.

Were they the same ones who helped Thaksin pay for the red shirt invasion of Bangkok?

[hellodolly]

If the issuance and continuing possession of a passport was based on not having a criminal record then 50% of the farang population of Thailand would not be in the country.

And that would be a bad thing?

Sure would empty Pataya of a lot of it's customers.

[bristolgeoff]

wrong he got his passport back,lets hope he does his time in prison.some thais will be upset but some happy who pay alot of tea money for the pleasure.he is still dubai but for how long.