Sachs X Road 250

[motocrosser]

Does anyone know where i can buy the x road 250?

[Kwasaki]

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/263179-sachs-x-road-250/page__st__50

[wantan]

There are a few Tiger X-Road 250 on the streets here in Thailand (not more than 10 or 20 i guess). But Tiger seems to have stopped production of the X-Road 250. Maybe you can buy one of the rare used one. But maybe you will have trouble getting spares for it on the long run?

Edited January 26, 2012 by wantan

[taichiplanet]

Looking at the figures from Dept of Land Transport there were only 15 sold/registered. As far as i know Tiger aren't bringing any more of the knock down kits from China. There is one for sale on BahtSold in Bkk (ad #91576), a little overpriced maybe but if you really really want one, then no choice!

Edited January 26, 2012 by taichiplanet

[Kwasaki]

I don't think he wants a Tiger he wants a Sachs.

Edited January 27, 2012 by Kwasaki

[taichiplanet]

No doubt someone will correct me if i am wrong, but except for the Tiger stickers all the components are exactly the same in the Tiger X-Road 250 and Sachs X-Road 250

[BigBikeBKK]

No doubt someone will correct me if i am wrong, but except for the Tiger stickers all the components are exactly the same in the Tiger X-Road 250 and Sachs X-Road 250

Similar but not identical- I think you may recall the drama surrounding the recall of the owners manual which was for the Sachs X-Road and didn't reflect some of the minor changes in the Tiger version of the X-Road?

[Richard-BKK]

I wonder what would make them stop selling so lucrative model in Thailand...

[naboo]

I wonder what would make them stop selling so lucrative model in Thailand...

Poor quality components from your colleagues in China, Richard.

They've linked up with Royal Enfield now. Motorshow should be interesting. Anticipating reports over the next few days and more info on the Streetbomber 150cc scooter...

[Richard-BKK]

I wonder what would make them stop selling so lucrative model in Thailand...

Poor quality components from your colleagues in China, Richard.

They've linked up with Royal Enfield now. Motorshow should be interesting. Anticipating reports over the next few days and more info on the Streetbomber 150cc scooter...

Actually, after Tiger Motorcycles split from Sachs Bikes they did not purchased one part from Sachs Bikes.... and the rumor tells that they bought parts that did not passed Sachs Bikes Quality Control.

Anyway, appreantly the problems between Tiger Motorcycles and Sachs Bikes seems to been settled.

[taichiplanet]

I wonder what would make them stop selling so lucrative model in Thailand...

Poor quality components from your colleagues in China, Richard.

They've linked up with Royal Enfield now. Motorshow should be interesting. Anticipating reports over the next few days and more info on the Streetbomber 150cc scooter...

Actually, after Tiger Motorcycles split from Sachs Bikes they did not purchased one part from Sachs Bikes.... and the rumor tells that they bought parts that did not passed Sachs Bikes Quality Control.

Anyway, appreantly the problems between Tiger Motorcycles and Sachs Bikes seems to been settled.

Maybe i misunderstood, but are you saying that Sachs decided to sell Tiger inferior parts?

[thaicbr]

I wonder what would make them stop selling so lucrative model in Thailand...

Poor quality components from your colleagues in China, Richard.

They've linked up with Royal Enfield now. Motorshow should be interesting. Anticipating reports over the next few days and more info on the Streetbomber 150cc scooter...

Actually, after Tiger Motorcycles split from Sachs Bikes they did not purchased one part from Sachs Bikes.... and the rumor tells that they bought parts that did not passed Sachs Bikes Quality Control.

Anyway, appreantly the problems between Tiger Motorcycles and Sachs Bikes seems to been settled.

Richards rumours again....

[wantan]

I wonder what would make them stop selling so lucrative model in Thailand...

Poor quality components from your colleagues in China, Richard.

They've linked up with Royal Enfield now. Motorshow should be interesting. Anticipating reports over the next few days and more info on the Streetbomber 150cc scooter...

Actually, after Tiger Motorcycles split from Sachs Bikes they did not purchased one part from Sachs Bikes.... and the rumor tells that they bought parts that did not passed Sachs Bikes Quality Control.

Anyway, appreantly the problems between Tiger Motorcycles and Sachs Bikes seems to been settled.

Don't know where you have heard this special rumor. Without giving a believable source of course everyone will say you have dreamed it.

But if Tiger has used identical/similar quality parts (as all Tiger specialised guys have told us), the only explanation is, that Tiger's quality standard is higher than Sachs quality standard. But who cares? Maybe the very few owners of these bikes

[Richard-BKK]

I wonder what would make them stop selling so lucrative model in Thailand...

Poor quality components from your colleagues in China, Richard.

They've linked up with Royal Enfield now. Motorshow should be interesting. Anticipating reports over the next few days and more info on the Streetbomber 150cc scooter...

Actually, after Tiger Motorcycles split from Sachs Bikes they did not purchased one part from Sachs Bikes.... and the rumor tells that they bought parts that did not passed Sachs Bikes Quality Control.

Anyway, appreantly the problems between Tiger Motorcycles and Sachs Bikes seems to been settled.

Maybe i misunderstood, but are you saying that Sachs decided to sell Tiger inferior parts?

Sorry for the misunderstanding, Sachs Bikes Corp. GmbH actually not sold any parts after, the contract between Tiger Motorcycle and Sachs Bikes GmbH ended. By tracing some VIN numbers from Thai customers who complained to Sachs Bikes found the source of the illegal supplies route and legally blocked it.

So Sachs Bikes never sold anything to Tiger.... (after they lost distribution rights and brand name rights)

[BigBikeBKK]

I wonder what would make them stop selling so lucrative model in Thailand...

Poor quality components from your colleagues in China, Richard.

They've linked up with Royal Enfield now. Motorshow should be interesting. Anticipating reports over the next few days and more info on the Streetbomber 150cc scooter...

Actually, after Tiger Motorcycles split from Sachs Bikes they did not purchased one part from Sachs Bikes.... and the rumor tells that they bought parts that did not passed Sachs Bikes Quality Control.

Anyway, appreantly the problems between Tiger Motorcycles and Sachs Bikes seems to been settled.

Richards rumours again....

Is it Friday night?!

[thaicbr]

Sorry for the misunderstanding, Sachs Bikes Corp. GmbH actually not sold any parts after, the contract between Tiger Motorcycle and Sachs Bikes GmbH ended. By tracing some VIN numbers from Thai customers who complained to Sachs Bikes found the source of the illegal supplies route and legally blocked it.

So Sachs Bikes never sold anything to Tiger.... (after they lost distribution rights and brand name rights)

That's because Sachs Bikes GmbH never actually manufactured any of the parts themselves. all sourced in China from several different factories.. All of this is well documented.. As usual it's your off the cuff comments coming back to haunt you.

[wantan]

Sorry for the misunderstanding, Sachs Bikes Corp. GmbH actually not sold any parts after, the contract between Tiger Motorcycle and Sachs Bikes GmbH ended. By tracing some VIN numbers from Thai customers who complained to Sachs Bikes found the source of the illegal supplies route and legally blocked it.

So Sachs Bikes never sold anything to Tiger.... (after they lost distribution rights and brand name rights)

That's because Sachs Bikes GmbH never actually manufactured any of the parts themselves. all sourced in China from several different factories.. All of this is well documented.. As usual it's your off the cuff comments coming back to haunt you.

Are you starting rumours too? Well documentated??? Where, when, why? Please tell us

[thaicbr]

Sorry for the misunderstanding, Sachs Bikes Corp. GmbH actually not sold any parts after, the contract between Tiger Motorcycle and Sachs Bikes GmbH ended. By tracing some VIN numbers from Thai customers who complained to Sachs Bikes found the source of the illegal supplies route and legally blocked it.

So Sachs Bikes never sold anything to Tiger.... (after they lost distribution rights and brand name rights)

That's because Sachs Bikes GmbH never actually manufactured any of the parts themselves. all sourced in China from several different factories.. All of this is well documented.. As usual it's your off the cuff comments coming back to haunt you.

Are you starting rumours too? Well documentated??? Where, when, why? Please tell us

As Richard would say you find it

Actually from numerous posts over the years from Richard and then doing some home work... I'm not going to find it all now.. But it is stated that Sach Bikes GmbH is effectively a holding company for the Sachs name. Sure they would have had engineers and designers doing stuff but NO Manufacturing.

Edited January 31, 2012 by thaicbr

[Richard-BKK]

My dear friends I have nothing to say, to tell, or what ever, you should consult with Tiger Motorcycles, or Sachs Motorbike GmbH, my working arraignment with Sachs fished after the X-Road dispute settled.

[Richard-BKK]

It's true Sachs Bikes, is mainly a design and development company, that outsources the actual production by restricted design rules (production tolerance in manufacturing terms).

Production tolerance is for qualified SACHS PARTS, checked by an in house designed systematic part scan, basically if more than 5% of the production parts fail the lot is rejected, and returned to the manufacture.

So what this supplies companies do with this rejected parts, destroy them... or sell them to parts buyers who want to avoid dealing with SACHS BIKES direct...

[thaicbr]

My dear friends I have nothing to say, to tell, or what ever, you should consult with Tiger Motorcycles, or Sachs Motorbike GmbH, my working arraignment with Sachs fished after the X-Road dispute settled.

AHHH The truth at last......

[Maestro]

Do I understand these last few posts correctly?

Before the split between Sachs and Tiger:

Parts manufacturer sold the parts to Sachs --> Sachs did quality control --> Sachs sold the parts to Tiger --> Tiger used and/or resold the parts

After the split:

Parts manufacturer sells the parts to Tiger --> Tiger does quality control --> Tiger uses and/or resells the parts

If this is the case, then it is not a question of the quality of the parts but a question of the quality of the quality control, and any post suggesting that either company's quality control is inferior to that of the other company would be slanderous and would have to be deleted. However, when one poster wrote that "rumor tells that [Tiger] bought parts that did not passed Sachs Bikes Quality Control" this should not be misunderstood to mean that the poster said that the parts bought by Tiger are of inferior quality or that Tiger's quality control is worse.

[taichiplanet]

Correct me if i am wrong but under Thai law even spreading a 'rumour' about a Thai company in Thailand is slanderous.

[wantan]

Correct me if i am wrong but under Thai law even spreading a 'rumour' about a Thai company in Thailand is slanderous.

Slander is vorbidden by law in most countries of the world, not only Thailand.

But its absolutely normal that customers talk about quality of motorbikes in a forum for motorbikes. If someone has a problem with this he should contact his lawyer. You and some other people do Tiger no good with continuing making threats about lawsuits. This is sure not the publicity that Tiger wants and needs to sell motorbikes.

[BigBikeBKK]

Correct me if i am wrong but under Thai law even spreading a 'rumour' about a Thai company in Thailand is slanderous.

Slander is vorbidden by law in most countries of the world, not only Thailand.

But its absolutely normal that customers talk about quality of motorbikes in a forum for motorbikes. If someone has a problem with this he should contact his lawyer. You and some other people do Tiger no good with continuing making threats about lawsuits. This is sure not the publicity that Tiger wants and needs to sell motorbikes.

Customers talking about their bikes is one thing, but when someone with a vested business interest in a competing brand make repeated false and damaging claims about a competitor that crosses the line and is why so many of Richard's threads have been deleted over the years.

[Familyonthemove]

I wonder what would make them stop selling so lucrative model in Thailand...

Poor quality components from your colleagues in China, Richard.

They've linked up with Royal Enfield now. Motorshow should be interesting. Anticipating reports over the next few days and more info on the Streetbomber 150cc scooter...

Royal Enfield. That's interesting. I had a Bullet Thunderbird in India and the new Bullet 500 Classic is a nice bike. If they are available here at a good price - I'd be very interested. Not fast, but bags of character and a decent, if slow, tourer.

[wantan]

I wonder what would make them stop selling so lucrative model in Thailand...

Poor quality components from your colleagues in China, Richard.

They've linked up with Royal Enfield now. Motorshow should be interesting. Anticipating reports over the next few days and more info on the Streetbomber 150cc scooter...

Royal Enfield. That's interesting. I had a Bullet Thunderbird in India and the new Bullet 500 Classic is a nice bike. If they are available here at a good price - I'd be very interested. Not fast, but bags of character and a decent, if slow, tourer.

Yes, i (and many other people i guess) hope Royal Enfields get available soon. Don't know how Tiger will be involved. Maybe Tiger wants to do the assembling of the bikes? Hopefully the Enfields will not be labelled with "Tiger" like the X-Road

[wantan]

Correct me if i am wrong but under Thai law even spreading a 'rumour' about a Thai company in Thailand is slanderous.

Slander is vorbidden by law in most countries of the world, not only Thailand.

But its absolutely normal that customers talk about quality of motorbikes in a forum for motorbikes. If someone has a problem with this he should contact his lawyer. You and some other people do Tiger no good with continuing making threats about lawsuits. This is sure not the publicity that Tiger wants and needs to sell motorbikes.

Customers talking about their bikes is one thing, but when someone with a vested business interest in a competing brand make repeated false and damaging claims about a competitor that crosses the line and is why so many of Richard's threads have been deleted over the years.

Hmm, i guess they get deleted because TV doesn't want to get in trouble. It has nothing to do with validity of information Richard is giving. TV wants to protect itself.

Many people here seem to have "vested business interests". Even you are trying to make money in this business IIRR. It is nearly impossible to devide between "people with vested business interest" and the others.

But there are sure more people confused because of this X-Road story. We all can make wild guesses about it or just take the obvious things and talk about it. IMHO Richard is only writing down what many people already have thought.

[taichiplanet]

Correct me if i am wrong but under Thai law even spreading a 'rumour' about a Thai company in Thailand is slanderous.

Slander is vorbidden by law in most countries of the world, not only Thailand.

But its absolutely normal that customers talk about quality of motorbikes in a forum for motorbikes. If someone has a problem with this he should contact his lawyer. You and some other people do Tiger no good with continuing making threats about lawsuits. This is sure not the publicity that Tiger wants and needs to sell motorbikes.

Customers talking about their bikes is one thing, but when someone with a vested business interest in a competing brand make repeated false and damaging claims about a competitor that crosses the line and is why so many of Richard's threads have been deleted over the years.

Hmm, i guess they get deleted because TV doesn't want to get in trouble. It has nothing to do with validity of information Richard is giving. TV wants to protect itself.

Many people here seem to have "vested business interests". Even you are trying to make money in this business IIRR. It is nearly impossible to devide between "people with vested business interest" and the others.

But there are sure more people confused because of this X-Road story. We all can make wild guesses about it or just take the obvious things and talk about it. IMHO Richard is only writing down what many people already have thought.

What people think and what is fact is 2 very different things.

Anyway, as you said earlier Wana not many X-Roads were sold in Thailand (only 15 registered according to DLT figures) and probably no more will be sold, so we are all really flogging a dead horse.

[wantan]

What people think and what is fact is 2 very different things.

Anyway, as you said earlier Wana not many X-Roads were sold in Thailand (only 15 registered according to DLT figures) and probably no more will be sold, so we are all really flogging a dead horse.

What people think and what is fact is 2 very different things. Yes, and? This is a forum where many people talk about guesses they make. Not even Richard has declared his guesses as "facts". He has heard a rumour and has told it as this. Not as fact. Noone will ever bee able to verify bulletproof what is going on behind the szenes. But if Tiger starts such a crazy thing than people/customers talk about it. But you are right. It isn't very interesting anymore. Today at the bike show i saw the "new" Tiger F4. Much more interesting. And something new for making new guesses