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The Democrats yesterday also called on the relevant authorities to ensure that the Bt12 billion in unpaid tax on the share sale should be collected from Thaksin, according to messages on Team-Korn Chatika-vanij Page on Facebook and the @TeamKorn_DP on Twitter.

The Revenue Department decided not to pursue a case against Panthongtae and Pinthongta, citing the court verdict that the shares actually belonged to Thaksin.

"The tax should be collected from the real owner," said a message in the @TeamKorn_DP account.

"A tax of Bt12 billion was incurred from the transaction. If no tax is collected from his children due to the court ruling that the shares belong to the father, the tax should be collected from the father in full,"

This evening, the Democrats specifically requested the Revenue Department to collect the taxes due on the transaction from Thaksin and Potjaman.

The said it was up to the Revenue Department to look after the interests of the people and duly collect the owed taxes.

Further explanation is on the other paper's breaking news.

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Wasting time. They want to take action on Thaksin but they don't want to open up any channel to let him in the country. This news is getting too old and is never resolved. If Thaksin comes back, the law will definitely fail to punish him, but the assassins will not.

Why they so afraid Thaksin comes back?Wonder what they afraid of

Ever heard of revenge, serious revenge?

Senior public servants are terrified of his return.

And is their any more serious revenge than assassination as advocated by several members on here and cheered on the sidelines by others? Or is that OK?

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Wasting time. They want to take action on Thaksin but they don't want to open up any channel to let him in the country. This news is getting too old and is never resolved. If Thaksin comes back, the law will definitely fail to punish him, but the assassins will not.

Why they so afraid Thaksin comes back?Wonder what they afraid of

Ever heard of revenge, serious revenge?

Senior public servants are terrified of his return.

And is their any more serious revenge than assassination as advocated by several members on here and cheered on the sidelines by others? Or is that OK?

Well there is strong suggestion that the paymaster had no hesitation to do the same thing in another case much earlier case against him .

Plus, the paymaster basically supervised the assassinaton of some 2,500 Thais in his war on drugs, plus there's been many suggestions that his war was on drugs was in fact revenge for a problem close to home.

Plus, several hundred young men from the South of Thailand were baiscally assassinated on his watch in the Tak Bai incident.

And he showed no remorse whatever for any of these items.

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Actually it would appear the law is about to eradicate the charges when the statute of limitations runs out......when was the offence.....circa 2006......and the democrats could make no progress in their 2 years in the driving seat.......and now attempt to excuse their inaction by passing the buck....wow I'm impressed by their new found enthusiasm........

Got it in one, 473. Just about sums up the utter incompetence of the puppet's government. Never was so much hot air, vitriol and sheer hatred uttered against one man, and yet not a single thing was achieved.

Well not quite that simple.

There's been plenty of discussion around:

- Evidence disappearing and therefore case not ready and maybe case will now never be ready because no / not enough supporting documents etc.

- Failure of specific government officials to report for questioning / refusing to answer pertinent questions, etc.

Plenty of discussion I'm sure, but actual facts?

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And is their any more serious revenge than assassination as advocated by several members on here and cheered on the sidelines by others? Or is that OK?

Well there is strong suggestion that the paymaster had no hesitation to do the same thing in another case much earlier case against him .

Plus, the paymaster basically supervised the assassinaton of some 2,500 Thais in his war on drugs, plus there's been many suggestions that his war was on drugs was in fact revenge for a problem close to home.

Plus, several hundred young men from the South of Thailand were baiscally assassinated on his watch in the Tak Bai incident.

And he showed no remorse whatever for any of these items.

Lets go through these commonly held and weilded accusations;

1. I presume you mean Shipping Moo? No evidence, no proof, nothing but supposition which is easy.

2. Supervised the assassination - it is certain that people on the ground took full advantage of the situation which definitely got out of hand but personally responsible, certainly not his own and you nor anyone else is going to get too far trying to investigate further, definitely a can of worms. ps Abhisit opened an investigation into the killings and any links with Thaksin and his government. Result : nothing. You may wish to read the Kings views on the subject.

3. Tak Bai; from the investigative report;

Who must take responsibility for the crackdown and the transportation of protesters?

The committee found that Maj-General Chalermchai Wiroonphet, then commander of the Fifth Infantry Division, is responsible for both incidents.

http://www.nationmul...s/takbai/p1.htm

So you still OK with the idea of the assassination of Thaksin?

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Wasting time. They want to take action on Thaksin but they don't want to open up any channel to let him in the country. This news is getting too old and is never resolved. If Thaksin comes back, the law will definitely fail to punish him, but the assassins will not.

Why they so afraid Thaksin comes back?Wonder what they afraid of

Ever heard of revenge, serious revenge?

Senior public servants are terrified of his return.

And is their any more serious revenge than assassination as advocated by several members on here and cheered on the sidelines by others? Or is that OK?

If Thaksin was the hero you want to portray to us who would he be looking for revenge on? And who would be looking for revenge on him?

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Maybe the democrats should paying taxes. So far nobody says anything about the richest family in Thailanc Charoen Pokhand or mister Suthep and his criminal gains. If the DP was serious they would have petitioned a few months earlier. Even if agencies want, they cannot get it done before the end of the month.

Everything the DO does is dishonest. There was a red notice on Thaksin (so they said), Interpol denied. They wanted Thaksin back, at least that is what the public had to believe, they never took any action.

The DP is a party of inaction a party that knows that they cannot win elections and a party that wants to preserve the sat us quo.

The Thaksin apologists fall into two camps which are rather difficult to reconcile. Never mind, neither camp is wedded to the truth or otherwise of what they are saying. Anything that supports their man iis OK with them. Position number one is that the charges were trumped up and therefore he is innocent. Position number two says that he is not innocent but the political opposition do the same. Our old friend the double standards defence. Neither camp cares whether he is innocent or guilty. For them the golden rule is that he who owns the gold makes the rules and therefore the law is purely a political instrument. Their main objective now is that the law should bend immediately to the government's (ie Thaksin's) will. The irony of this should not be lost.

Well said.

Or put it another way; the paymaster and his reds / udd / pt gangs all claim now to be the champions of democracy and justice, but want a different picture for their paymaster, the absolute mother of all double standards.

And the joke / the twist goes further, they also demand that there be no double standards.

Clowns, dangerous clowns

Wrong again, if Thaksin owes the tax then I'm sure many would agree he should pay, perhaps they would welcome a boost to goverment funds for more populist policies, which would consign the Democrats to even more years in the opposition wilderness

That be the first time a substantial amount of Shinawatra money is used so altruistically. Can you be altruistic under duress?

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Wrong again, if Thaksin owes the tax then I'm sure many would agree he should pay, perhaps they would welcome a boost to goverment funds for more populist policies, which would consign the Democrats to even more years in the opposition wilderness

While many may agree that he should pay, do you expect that the government run by him with his sister as proxy, who also perjured herself in this asset case, will push to enforce collection, or instruct their minions to delay until SOL takes effect?

Meanwhile, Yingluk's clear cut act of perjury is "being investigated" by the DSI. Exactly how long does it take to read a court transcript?

Was there an outcome to this accusation?.........as Buchholz said previously innocent until proved guilty by legal process.......are you just spouting accusation, throwing mud hoping some sticks, grasping at straws........passifier.gif

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who cares The Shinawatees will milk a few more billion the hangers on a few million the dregs a few tens of thousands and with a bit of luck thats all that will happen but if Mr Taksin is hell bent on total control that will pale into insignificance compared with what thailand will experience. Maybe just maybe he and his clan are just clever enough to know take a few hundred billion baht or few tens of billions of us$ they can get away with particularly since its a small part of what western bankers and such thieves get away with all the time. Compared with top brass in MF Global and rest Taksin and his clan are petty thieves but their trying hard to catch up. Until masses here and in west understand how they are being robbed blind they deserve what they get. At least here being largely uneducated theirs a excuse for being so stupid. Whats excuse in the west ??

In meantime weve repatriated most of our money away from here and possible violent eruptions and a lot from west to more stable places like Libya Iraq and Iran (joking better places like SIngapore, Hong Kong Canada and such places).

But in all probability the poor here will as everywhere stay poor and total slaves. The top 1% will never loose and with some luck people like me can protect some form of decent life for our families which sadly is not an option open to most and even to those who can most just bury their heads in the sand.

Old age and experience makes you cynical. Ill leave idealism to those who will one day understand their folly in believing evil @#$$#@@ like Mr Taksin will do anything good for anyone but himself and his clan while throwing a few scraps to his red thug leaders. Sadly history repeats itself over and over again and for a while evil takes hold but im not so cynical to believe it wont in the end be deafeated. Ive just grown weary of trying to show blind people what is blindingly obvious.

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who cares The Shinawatees will milk a few more billion the hangers on a few million the dregs a few tens of thousands and with a bit of luck thats all that will happen but if Mr Taksin is hell bent on total control that will pale into insignificance compared with what thailand will experience. Maybe just maybe he and his clan are just clever enough to know take a few hundred billion baht or few tens of billions of us$ they can get away with particularly since its a small part of what western bankers and such thieves get away with all the time. Compared with top brass in MF Global and rest Taksin and his clan are petty thieves but their trying hard to catch up. Until masses here and in west understand how they are being robbed blind they deserve what they get. At least here being largely uneducated theirs a excuse for being so stupid. Whats excuse in the west ??

In meantime weve repatriated most of our money away from here and possible violent eruptions and a lot from west to more stable places like Libya Iraq and Iran (joking better places like SIngapore, Hong Kong Canada and such places).

But in all probability the poor here will as everywhere stay poor and total slaves. The top 1% will never loose and with some luck people like me can protect some form of decent life for our families which sadly is not an option open to most and even to those who can most just bury their heads in the sand.

Old age and experience makes you cynical. Ill leave idealism to those who will one day understand their folly in believing evil @#$$#@@ like Mr Taksin will do anything good for anyone but himself and his clan while throwing a few scraps to his red thug leaders. Sadly history repeats itself over and over again and for a while evil takes hold but im not so cynical to believe it wont in the end be deafeated. Ive just grown weary of trying to show blind people what is blindingly obvious.

What is blindingly obvious is that the world is controlled to a large extent by money......what is also blindingly obvious is that there are people of limited intelligence and awareness that appear to hold the rather laughable view that all the problems and issues in Thailand have developed and occured subject to the influence of one man only

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who cares The Shinawatees will milk a few more billion the hangers on a few million the dregs a few tens of thousands and with a bit of luck thats all that will happen but if Mr Taksin is hell bent on total control that will pale into insignificance compared with what thailand will experience. Maybe just maybe he and his clan are just clever enough to know take a few hundred billion baht or few tens of billions of us$ they can get away with particularly since its a small part of what western bankers and such thieves get away with all the time. Compared with top brass in MF Global and rest Taksin and his clan are petty thieves but their trying hard to catch up. Until masses here and in west understand how they are being robbed blind they deserve what they get. At least here being largely uneducated theirs a excuse for being so stupid. Whats excuse in the west ??

In meantime weve repatriated most of our money away from here and possible violent eruptions and a lot from west to more stable places like Libya Iraq and Iran (joking better places like SIngapore, Hong Kong Canada and such places).

But in all probability the poor here will as everywhere stay poor and total slaves. The top 1% will never loose and with some luck people like me can protect some form of decent life for our families which sadly is not an option open to most and even to those who can most just bury their heads in the sand.

Old age and experience makes you cynical. Ill leave idealism to those who will one day understand their folly in believing evil @#$$#@@ like Mr Taksin will do anything good for anyone but himself and his clan while throwing a few scraps to his red thug leaders. Sadly history repeats itself over and over again and for a while evil takes hold but im not so cynical to believe it wont in the end be deafeated. Ive just grown weary of trying to show blind people what is blindingly obvious.

What is blindingly obvious is that the world is controlled to a large extent by money......what is also blindingly obvious is that there are people of limited intelligence and awareness that appear to hold the rather laughable view that all the problems and issues in Thailand have developed and occured subject to the influence of one man only

This is the truest statement I have ever read on Thaivisa.

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What is blindingly obvious is that the world is controlled to a large extent by money......what is also blindingly obvious is that there are people of limited intelligence and awareness that appear to hold the rather laughable view that all the problems and issues in Thailand have developed and occured subject to the influence of one man only

This is the truest statement I have ever read on Thaivisa.

apologies for removing rest but all i keep getting is number of quotes exceeded so no choice

but one very very dangerous man who is quite capable of being a mugabwie or Saddam and those megalomaniacs did more harm to general people than most of those only concerned with stealing and wealth. The only question is weather Taksin is just a robber baron or a megalomaniac hell bent on if need be destroying this country to satisfy his ego. I can live with former but hate it but later would seriously impact my family's ability to be safe. Time will tell but those who think their is no risk of this country falling into total ruin as Zimbabwe Cambodia and rest have done are misguided to say least

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What is blindingly obvious is that the world is controlled to a large extent by money......what is also blindingly obvious is that there are people of limited intelligence and awareness that appear to hold the rather laughable view that all the problems and issues in Thailand have developed and occured subject to the influence of one man only

This is the truest statement I have ever read on Thaivisa.

apologies for removing rest but all i keep getting is number of quotes exceeded so no choice

but one very very dangerous man who is quite capable of being a mugabwie or Saddam and those megalomaniacs did more harm to general people than most of those only concerned with stealing and wealth. The only question is weather Taksin is just a robber baron or a megalomaniac hell bent on if need be destroying this country to satisfy his ego. I can live with former but hate it but later would seriously impact my family's ability to be safe. Time will tell but those who think their is no risk of this country falling into total ruin as Zimbabwe Cambodia and rest have done are misguided to say least

Saddam was put in place by whom?

Another misrepresentation is that Thaksin controls the red shirt movement. In my opinion they will not blindly follow a route that would destroy Thailand, you underestimate their ability to adapt....and for sure we have seen their ability to influence!

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What is blindingly obvious is that the world is controlled to a large extent by money......what is also blindingly obvious is that there are people of limited intelligence and awareness that appear to hold the rather laughable view that all the problems and issues in Thailand have developed and occured subject to the influence of one man only

This is the truest statement I have ever read on Thaivisa.

apologies for removing rest but all i keep getting is number of quotes exceeded so no choice

but one very very dangerous man who is quite capable of being a mugabwie or Saddam and those megalomaniacs did more harm to general people than most of those only concerned with stealing and wealth. The only question is weather Taksin is just a robber baron or a megalomaniac hell bent on if need be destroying this country to satisfy his ego. I can live with former but hate it but later would seriously impact my family's ability to be safe. Time will tell but those who think their is no risk of this country falling into total ruin as Zimbabwe Cambodia and rest have done are misguided to say least

I think you are being very alarmist about your predictions. Thailand has relied 17 times for coups, has allies in the west who will support their actions if they are truly justified.

We can argue about the rights and wrongs of the last coup, being premature or otherwise, but, the armed forces AND Thaksin paid a heavy price for pushing the situation that far. Thailand will never become a Zimbabwe for the simplest fact that the landowners will never ever allow expropriation of the land, because there is no white bogeyman to find, The holders are asian, rich and connected to the very heart and soul of the country. Go and learn who actually is the biggest land owner in the country, and besides the biggest individual, they are the spread around every political party very evenly.

There is no bogeyman to blame unless, they end up taking every person with a chinese element to their surname, and then you really are messing with the biggest and most connected people in the country, and they have the army well and truly on their side.

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Wrong again, if Thaksin owes the tax then I'm sure many would agree he should pay, perhaps they would welcome a boost to goverment funds for more populist policies, which would consign the Democrats to even more years in the opposition wilderness

While many may agree that he should pay, do you expect that the government run by him with his sister as proxy, who also perjured herself in this asset case, will push to enforce collection, or instruct their minions to delay until SOL takes effect?

Meanwhile, Yingluk's clear cut act of perjury is "being investigated" by the DSI. Exactly how long does it take to read a court transcript?

Was there an outcome to this accusation?.........as Buchholz said previously innocent until proved guilty by legal process.......are you just spouting accusation, throwing mud hoping some sticks, grasping at straws........passifier.gif

I thought the statement was pretty clear. The charge has been forwarded to the DSI, who have acknowledged they are investigating, but no further progress has been reported. Which part of that didn't you understand?

IMHO it is politically expedient to just forget about it both by the DSI and PTP members/sycophants. It is quite clear a crime was committed, failing to uphold the law with due diligence is another.

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What is blindingly obvious is that the world is controlled to a large extent by money......what is also blindingly obvious is that there are people of limited intelligence and awareness that appear to hold the rather laughable view that all the problems and issues in Thailand have developed and occured subject to the influence of one man only

This is the truest statement I have ever read on Thaivisa.

apologies for removing rest but all i keep getting is number of quotes exceeded so no choice

but one very very dangerous man who is quite capable of being a mugabwie or Saddam and those megalomaniacs did more harm to general people than most of those only concerned with stealing and wealth. The only question is weather Taksin is just a robber baron or a megalomaniac hell bent on if need be destroying this country to satisfy his ego. I can live with former but hate it but later would seriously impact my family's ability to be safe. Time will tell but those who think their is no risk of this country falling into total ruin as Zimbabwe Cambodia and rest have done are misguided to say least

Saddam was put in place by whom?

Another misrepresentation is that Thaksin controls the red shirt movement. In my opinion they will not blindly follow a route that would destroy Thailand, you underestimate their ability to adapt....and for sure we have seen their ability to influence!

This is one of the most nieve statements I have read in a while. "Another misrepresentation is that Thaksin controls the red shirt movement". If you have a Thai satellite tune into the red shirt channel and have a look. He absolutely controls them absolutely through his minions.

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Another misrepresentation is that Thaksin controls the red shirt movement.

For going on six years we've heard from the Red Shirts that "it's not about Thaksin."

We're still waiting on evidence of that in a sea of Thaksin t--shirts at Red Shirt rallies who hang on every word of his call-ins and his requisite posters at every Red Shirt village.

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PTP and Thaksin need the red shirt support base to get elected............the red shirts needed Thaksin for finanacial support........both sought to remove the Democrats from office......a common goal.........

If Thaksin/PTP move away from the red shirts would PTP be re-elected?

I don't believe Thaksin holds all the cards....which is why for example the populist vote catchers must be carried through and the flooding situation addressed......PTP are answerable to their electorate.........if they fail to deliver there is no garauntee of support just because Thaksin is involved

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Another misrepresentation is that Thaksin controls the red shirt movement.

For going on six years we've heard from the Red Shirts that "it's not about Thaksin."

We're still waiting on evidence of that in a sea of Thaksin t--shirts at Red Shirt rallies who hang on every word of his call-ins and his requisite posters at every Red Shirt village.

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Strange, I always got the impression on Tvisa that posters claimed the numbers were grossly exagerated at these gatherings...........now you wish to claim the numbers are significant.......clap2.gif .

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Wasting time. They want to take action on Thaksin but they don't want to open up any channel to let him in the country. This news is getting too old and is never resolved. If Thaksin comes back, the law will definitely fail to punish him, but the assassins will not.

Why they so afraid Thaksin comes back?Wonder what they afraid of

Ever heard of revenge, serious revenge?

Senior public servants are terrified of his return.

It will be a combined financial and literal blood bath on his return,

and THEN they will start to fight back.

Life as we know it ends till the point is settled.

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Wasting time. They want to take action on Thaksin but they don't want to open up any channel to let him in the country. This news is getting too old and is never resolved. If Thaksin comes back, the law will definitely fail to punish him, but the assassins will not.

Why they so afraid Thaksin comes back?Wonder what they afraid of

Ever heard of revenge, serious revenge?

Senior public servants are terrified of his return.

It will be a combined financial and literal blood bath on his return,

and THEN they will start to fight back.

Life as we know it ends till the point is settled.

Possibly not

Try working on the assumption that money does not care which horse carries it past the post, only that it is in a postion to give the appropriate profitable return

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Another misrepresentation is that Thaksin controls the red shirt movement.

For going on six years we've heard from the Red Shirts that "it's not about Thaksin."

We're still waiting on evidence of that in a sea of Thaksin t--shirts at Red Shirt rallies who hang on every word of his call-ins and his requisite posters at every Red Shirt village.

PTP and Thaksin need the red shirt support base to get elected............the red shirts needed Thaksin for finanacial support........both sought to remove the Democrats from office......a common goal.........

If Thaksin/PTP move away from the red shirts would PTP be re-elected?

I don't believe Thaksin holds all the cards....which is why for example the populist vote catchers must be carried through and the flooding situation addressed......PTP are answerable to their electorate.........if they fail to deliver there is no garauntee of support just because Thaksin is involved

For nearly the same amount of time we've been hearing "it's not about Thaksin", we've been hearing, "the Red Shirts are just using Thaksin" or "It's A Symbiotic Relationship" or othe empty word plays to attempt to distance one from the other.

Until such time that they are separated, it's all as disbelievable as the touted and discredited "it's not about Thaksin." After 6 years of saying they are going to separate, they are the same.

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Another misrepresentation is that Thaksin controls the red shirt movement.

For going on six years we've heard from the Red Shirts that "it's not about Thaksin."

We're still waiting on evidence of that in a sea of Thaksin t--shirts at Red Shirt rallies who hang on every word of his call-ins and his requisite posters at every Red Shirt village.

Strange, I always got the impression on Tvisa that posters claimed the numbers were grossly exagerated at these gatherings...........now you wish to claim the numbers are significant.......clap2.gif .

The numbers of 30,000 being grossly exagerated to 500,000 is gross.

The numbers are still insignificant in the context of much larger previous rallies by either side. .

Point though is that I never claimed that they were significant. That was only your over-eager exhiliration. jerk.gif

However, 30,000 is still a fair-sized sea and Thaksin's image is all over it and Red Shirt villages. Two points that you apparently concede by not addressing them in favor of a word challenge game.

But you tacit concurence is at least a step forward.

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For going on six years we've heard from the Red Shirts that "it's not about Thaksin."

We're still waiting on evidence of that in a sea of Thaksin t--shirts at Red Shirt rallies who hang on every word of his call-ins and his requisite posters at every Red Shirt village.

Strange, I always got the impression on Tvisa that posters claimed the numbers were grossly exagerated at these gatherings...........now you wish to claim the numbers are significant.......clap2.gif .

The numbers of 30,000 being grossly exagerated to 500,000 is gross.

The numbers are still insignificant in the context of much larger previous rallies by either side. .

Point though is that I never claimed that they were significant. That was only your over-eager exhiliration. jerk.gif

However, 30,000 is still a fair-sized sea and Thaksin's image is all over it and Red Shirt villages. Two points that you apparently concede by not addressing them in favor of a word challenge game.

But you tacit concurence is at least a step forward.

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"We're still waiting on evidence of that"

You are waiting on evidence from group you do not see as significant............cheesy.gif

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You guys are flogging a dead horse.

DSI probe on Yingluck dropped

The Nation

The Department of Special Investigation has dropped its investigation against Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra, charged for helping her brother Thaksin to conceal his true wealth, on the grounds for lack of cause to suspect a criminal offence.

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Wrong again, if Thaksin owes the tax then I'm sure many would agree he should pay, perhaps they would welcome a boost to goverment funds for more populist policies, which would consign the Democrats to even more years in the opposition wilderness

While many may agree that he should pay, do you expect that the government run by him with his sister as proxy, who also perjured herself in this asset case, will push to enforce collection, or instruct their minions to delay until SOL takes effect?

Meanwhile, Yingluk's clear cut act of perjury is "being investigated" by the DSI. Exactly how long does it take to read a court transcript?

Was there an outcome to this accusation?.........as Buchholz said previously innocent until proved guilty by legal process.......are you just spouting accusation, throwing mud hoping some sticks, grasping at straws........passifier.gif

I thought the statement was pretty clear. The charge has been forwarded to the DSI, who have acknowledged they are investigating, but no further progress has been reported. Which part of that didn't you understand?

IMHO it is politically expedient to just forget about it both by the DSI and PTP members/sycophants. It is quite clear a crime was committed, failing to uphold the law with due diligence is another.

Check the date and time on the information provided in the above post...............clap2.gif .

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I thought the statement was pretty clear. The charge has been forwarded to the DSI, who have acknowledged they are investigating, but no further progress has been reported. Which part of that didn't you understand?

IMHO it is politically expedient to just forget about it both by the DSI and PTP members/sycophants. It is quite clear a crime was committed, failing to uphold the law with due diligence is another.

Check the date and time on the information provided in the above post...............clap2.gif .

It has long been my opinion that this government is a criminal conspiracy. The concept that witnesses are allowed to lie in court is quite novel, but should satisfy those that believe in fairy stories.

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