Over 1 Million Thais Are Infected With Hiv/Aids

[smedly]

when I say shows no symptoms what I mean is you will not spot it on someone unless it has progressed and even then it would not be defineable as AIDS, AIDS is not a disease as such it is a condition that leaves the person open to contracting disease - all the rest of your answers are missleading numbers, for e.g. a condom will protect against HIV 100% if used properly and there are no failures in it's mechanism

The number mentioned at the start of this thread indicate to me actual infections so my interpretation is that these are known cases discovered by testing

Either way it is still useful to know that there are many with HIV that don't know they have it and the figures in my opinion are much much greater than one million

This type of information is useful to everyone because it might help them realise they are not as safe as they think they are and encourage more people who currently think "it will never happen to me" and to think twice before engaging in a sex act with anyone in Thailand without protection, you only have to look at sub saharan Africa to realise how this virus can spread without the use of condoms

For those of you out there who continue to engage in bareback intercourse with bar workers in Thailand (including many of my friends who openly admit it) you are playing a dangerous game, I have heard numbers as high as 1 in 4 have the virus - best to assume they all have it and act accordingly...........................yes you could say it is now a cronic condition as opposed to a killer because of available drugs but that is only if you know you have it - so regular testing is a must

One of the friends I speak of above fell ill several times over the space of a few months here on holiday, doctors said he have the flu and some various other ailments, I asked him did any of the tests include HIV - he was quite offended at me asking even though he refuses to wear protection and was with a large number of ladies from all over pattaya - very foolish and to my knowledge still has refused to even consider an HIV test..............crazy

[happysanook]

when I say shows no symptoms what I mean is you will not spot it on someone unless it has progressed and even then it would not be defineable as AIDS, AIDS is not a disease as such it is a condition that leaves the person open to contracting disease - all the rest of your answers are missleading numbers, for e.g. a condom will protect against HIV 100% if used properly and there are no failures in it's mechanism

The number mentioned at the start of this thread indicate to me actual infections so my interpretation is that these are known cases discovered by testing

Either way it is still useful to know that there are many with HIV that don't know they have it and the figures in my opinion are much much greater than one million

This type of information is useful to everyone because it might help them realise they are not as safe as they think they are and encourage more people who currently think "it will never happen to me" and to think twice before engaging in a sex act with anyone in Thailand without protection, you only have to look at sub saharan Africa to realise how this virus can spread without the use of condoms

For those of you out there who continue to engage in bareback intercourse with bar workers in Thailand (including many of my friends who openly admit it) you are playing a dangerous game, I have heard numbers as high as 1 in 4 have the virus - best to assume they all have it and act accordingly...........................yes you could say it is now a cronic condition as opposed to a killer because of available drugs but that is only if you know you have it - so regular testing is a must

One of the friends I speak of above fell ill several times over the space of a few months here on holiday, doctors said he have the flu and some various other ailments, I asked him did any of the tests include HIV - he was quite offended at me asking even though he refuses to wear protection and was with a large number of ladies from all over pattaya - very foolish and to my knowledge still has refused to even consider an HIV test..............crazy

The article is not clear... I actually think its the opposite..that this number is based on a formula... as opposed to actually counting up everyone who's alive and been diagnosed ...

Meanwhile ur buddy may be not jist putting himself in danger, but all the girls hes doing this with....

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[happysanook]

Hiv in thailand is subtype e and extremely easy to get via hetero. 1 in 30 to 1 in 50 as opposed to 1 in 500 to 1 in 1000 with subtype b which is primarily found in the west.

This is thoroughly documented...but ignorant foreigners keep on coming and thinking it's otherwise

You posted the same claims earlier in this thread which was debunked in post #'s 125 & 128.

"Our findings do not support the conclusion that subtype E strains have a preferential tropism for DCs,

suggesting that other explanations for the rapid heterosexual spread of subtype E strains in Asia should be

considered." http://jvi.asm.org/c...0/8001.full.pdf

Your post actually completely authenticates what I wrote... did u miss the part where it says 'rapid heterosexual spread of subtype E in asia ' ?! I for one dont care what the mechanism is..and mentioned nothing about it. What people should take note of is that it IS far more easily spread...

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[smedly]

Meanwhile ur buddy may be not jist putting himself in danger, but all the girls hes doing this with....

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exactly my thoughts which is why as I have mentioned several times on this thread, the biggest public health threat from HIV are those that don't know they have it - refuse to be tested - and continue to engage in unprotected activity - these people should be locked up

[Jingthing]

Meanwhile ur buddy may be not jist putting himself in danger, but all the girls hes doing this with....

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exactly my thoughts which is why as I have mentioned several times on this thread, the biggest public health threat from HIV are those that don't know they have it - refuse to be tested - and continue to engage in unprotected activity - these people should be locked up

I don't agree. Adults have personal responsibility to PROTECT THEMSELVES and assume everyone is potentially positive. Yes, even married people.

[smedly]

don't agree with what ? aren't you saying exctly the same as me, I treat Thais and falangs the same with the same message, is my text in black ? go on disagree lol

[oldthaihand99]

Hiv in thailand is subtype e and extremely easy to get via hetero. 1 in 30 to 1 in 50 as opposed to 1 in 500 to 1 in 1000 with subtype b which is primarily found in the west.

This is thoroughly documented...but ignorant foreigners keep on coming and thinking it's otherwise

You posted the same claims earlier in this thread which was debunked in post #'s 125 & 128.

"Our findings do not support the conclusion that subtype E strains have a preferential tropism for DCs,

suggesting that other explanations for the rapid heterosexual spread of subtype E strains in Asia should be

considered." http://jvi.asm.org/c...0/8001.full.pdf

Your post actually completely authenticates what I wrote... did u miss the part where it says 'rapid heterosexual spread of subtype E in asia ' ?! I for one dont care what the mechanism is..and mentioned nothing about it. What people should take note of is that it IS far more easily spread...

Actually you appear to have missed the point completely re the debunking of your unproven claim that subtype E

has a "50 fold higher transmission rate chance than the US (subtype b )" (post 128). Both the evidence of the

studies referred to & common sense goes against your statement, as per posts 125 & 128. Truly subtype E

was spreading rapidly, but you should look for other reasons for that than that it is more potent than subtype B,

or at least stop claiming it is a proven fact when such is far from being the case.

Edited March 23, 2012 by oldthaihand99

[oldthaihand99]

when I say shows no symptoms what I mean is you will not spot it on someone unless it has progressed and even then it would not be defineable as AIDS, AIDS is not a disease as such it is a condition that leaves the person open to contracting disease - all the rest of your answers are missleading numbers, for e.g. a condom will protect against HIV 100% if used properly and there are no failures in it's mechanism

The number mentioned at the start of this thread indicate to me actual infections so my interpretation is that these are known cases discovered by testing

Either way it is still useful to know that there are many with HIV that don't know they have it and the figures in my opinion are much much greater than one million

This type of information is useful to everyone because it might help them realise they are not as safe as they think they are and encourage more people who currently think "it will never happen to me" and to think twice before engaging in a sex act with anyone in Thailand without protection, you only have to look at sub saharan Africa to realise how this virus can spread without the use of condoms

For those of you out there who continue to engage in bareback intercourse with bar workers in Thailand (including many of my friends who openly admit it) you are playing a dangerous game, I have heard numbers as high as 1 in 4 have the virus - best to assume they all have it and act accordingly...........................yes you could say it is now a cronic condition as opposed to a killer because of available drugs but that is only if you know you have it - so regular testing is a must

One of the friends I speak of above fell ill several times over the space of a few months here on holiday, doctors said he have the flu and some various other ailments, I asked him did any of the tests include HIV - he was quite offended at me asking even though he refuses to wear protection and was with a large number of ladies from all over pattaya - very foolish and to my knowledge still has refused to even consider an HIV test..............crazy

Condoms protecting 100% of the time against HIV "if used properly and there are no failures in it's mechanism" is a fantasy world,

not the real world where studies show that they reduce risk for HIV by about 85%. I'll leave it to the readers to decide which of the

two is "misleading".

You are correct that Africa has a huge problem with HIV due to the lack of using condoms. But there is far more to it than that.

There is also the lack of anti-HIV drugs, circumcision & HIV testing, use of prostitutes and preference for dry sex, which has made

things there far worse there than in Thailand. I'd also bring your attention again to the US porn industry i commented on above.

Re rates of HIV with sex workers in the Kingdom, "according to "one study conducted by the government in Bangkok in 2007, HIV prevalence among freelance sex workers in Bangkok was 19 percent whereas HIV prevalence had declined to 4.3 percent in CSEs in that year.59". Here is the study: http://www.unaids.or...s_report_en.pdf

Edited March 23, 2012 by oldthaihand99

[KeyserSoze01]

I would dare say that you stand an even chance of getting something nasty from a "good girl" in Thailand as easily as from a "bad girl".

It is interesting that in Thailand (according to the punters here) the difference between a good girl or bad girl is based on whether or not they charge for sex. That's not how it worked where I grew up. There were lots of bad girls that wouldn't think of taking payment.

Thailand is so 2 dimensional for some.

Funny, but I didn't use price as a distinction between good or bad girls. My perception of the difference is in the way a woman carries herself and has nothing to do with their being on the game or not. My point, however misconstrued, was that you stand just as much chance of catching something from someone who portrays themselves as chaste as from someone that is far less inhibited.

[KeyserSoze01]

I don’t want to cast any aspersions but seems to me we have a bunch of sexually non experienced boys here.

I was sexually active in the States for 40 years. Never got AIDS. Got chlamydia 5 times. Gonorrhea 4 times. Crabs 5 times. I got Gonorrhea from oral sex at least once. The oral infections like trench mouth I didn’t count.

I mentioned before in this or another thread about the head nurse I dated in Pattaya. Well boys I used to wait in her waiting room to pick her up nightly. I saw the HIV cases and other STD’s come in and get the bad news.

It is not something to play with. Remember your lack of experience does not give you any physical resistance but I guess it does provide a mental armor of sorts. When you are fencing without protection remember to wear white underwear. It gives you the most advance notice. Crabs leave little black red stains almost immediately. Gonorrhea, yellow to green and chlamydia; clear to creamy colored. I don’t know for sure but I do have a lot of personal experience in Thailand in general and Pattaya specifically and I would say about 40% of the women in Pattaya have Herpes. Catching it quick with a large dose of anti virals is said to stop it but otherwise it is yours for life. Unprotected sex in Pattaya? Ha ha you guys are funny.

I like to think of punters going bareback as an abject lesson in Darwin's notion of Natural Selection.

[Jingthing]

don't agree with what ? aren't you saying exctly the same as me, I treat Thais and falangs the same with the same message, is my text in black ? go on disagree lol

It wasn't clear? I don't agree that people who don't get tested should be locked up. That's an absurd idea.

[canuckamuck]

I don’t want to cast any aspersions but seems to me we have a bunch of sexually non experienced boys here.

I was sexually active in the States for 40 years. Never got AIDS. Got chlamydia 5 times. Gonorrhea 4 times. Crabs 5 times. I got Gonorrhea from oral sex at least once. The oral infections like trench mouth I didn’t count.

I mentioned before in this or another thread about the head nurse I dated in Pattaya. Well boys I used to wait in her waiting room to pick her up nightly. I saw the HIV cases and other STD’s come in and get the bad news.

It is not something to play with. Remember your lack of experience does not give you any physical resistance but I guess it does provide a mental armor of sorts. When you are fencing without protection remember to wear white underwear. It gives you the most advance notice. Crabs leave little black red stains almost immediately. Gonorrhea, yellow to green and chlamydia; clear to creamy colored. I don’t know for sure but I do have a lot of personal experience in Thailand in general and Pattaya specifically and I would say about 40% of the women in Pattaya have Herpes. Catching it quick with a large dose of anti virals is said to stop it but otherwise it is yours for life. Unprotected sex in Pattaya? Ha ha you guys are funny.

I like to think of punters going bareback as an abject lesson in Darwin's notion of Natural Selection.

+1

[oldthaihand99]

Re rates of HIV with sex workers in the Kingdom, "according to "one study conducted by the government in Bangkok in 2007, HIV prevalence among freelance sex workers in Bangkok was 19 percent whereas HIV prevalence had declined to 4.3 percent in CSEs in that year.59". Here is the study: http://www.unaids.or...s_report_en.pdf

Here is a link that works:

http://www.unaids.or...s_report_en.pdf

I found these claims re Thailand of interest:

"In the general population the national trend in prevalence of HIV infection is one of continuous decline since 1996."

"Percentage of adults and children with advanced HIV infection receiving antiretroviral therapy - 41 (2006), 77.76 (2010) (page 9)

"Percentage of female and male sex workers reporting the use of a condom with their most recent client - 92% (2009) (page 13)

"Percentage of young women and men aged 15–24 who are HIV infected - 0.95 (2003) & 0.58 (2009) (page 13)

"Percentage of most-at-risk populations who are HIV infected - SW 3.17, FSW 2.79, MSW 14.17, MSM 13.53, IDU 38.67 (2010) (page 14)

FSW Female sex workers

IDU Injecting Drug Users

MSM Men who have Sex with Men

MSW Male Sex Workers

SW Sex Workers

http://www.unaids.or...s_report_en.pdf

"Thailand was one of the first countries in Asia to offer both first- and second-line antiretroviral treatment regimens. Lower drug

prices have contributed to a rapid increase in the number of HIV-positive people receiving antiretroviral treatment in Thailand, from

about 2,500 in November 2002, to 15,000 in November 2003, to more than 72,000 at the end of 2005, and finally to 112,000 at the end

of 2006, when around 88% of those in need of treatment were receiving it."

"Sources:

* UNAIDS/WHO 2006 Report on the global AIDS epidemic

* UNAIDS Joint United Nations Programme on HIV/AIDS, AIDS Epidemic Update: December 2003

* UNAIDS/WHO epidemiological fact sheets on HIV/AIDS and Sexually Transmitted Infections, 2004 Update"

http://forum.myredbo.../intl/4968.html

Edited March 23, 2012 by oldthaihand99

[smedly]

when I say shows no symptoms what I mean is you will not spot it on someone unless it has progressed and even then it would not be defineable as AIDS, AIDS is not a disease as such it is a condition that leaves the person open to contracting disease - all the rest of your answers are missleading numbers, for e.g. a condom will protect against HIV 100% if used properly and there are no failures in it's mechanism

The number mentioned at the start of this thread indicate to me actual infections so my interpretation is that these are known cases discovered by testing

Either way it is still useful to know that there are many with HIV that don't know they have it and the figures in my opinion are much much greater than one million

This type of information is useful to everyone because it might help them realise they are not as safe as they think they are and encourage more people who currently think "it will never happen to me" and to think twice before engaging in a sex act with anyone in Thailand without protection, you only have to look at sub saharan Africa to realise how this virus can spread without the use of condoms

For those of you out there who continue to engage in bareback intercourse with bar workers in Thailand (including many of my friends who openly admit it) you are playing a dangerous game, I have heard numbers as high as 1 in 4 have the virus - best to assume they all have it and act accordingly...........................yes you could say it is now a cronic condition as opposed to a killer because of available drugs but that is only if you know you have it - so regular testing is a must

One of the friends I speak of above fell ill several times over the space of a few months here on holiday, doctors said he have the flu and some various other ailments, I asked him did any of the tests include HIV - he was quite offended at me asking even though he refuses to wear protection and was with a large number of ladies from all over pattaya - very foolish and to my knowledge still has refused to even consider an HIV test..............crazy

Condoms protecting 100% of the time against HIV "if used properly and there are no failures in it's mechanism" is a fantasy world,

not the real world where studies show that they reduce risk for HIV by about 85%. I'll leave it to the readers to decide which of the

two is "misleading".

You are correct that Africa has a huge problem with HIV due to the lack of using condoms. But there is far more to it than that.

There is also the lack of anti-HIV drugs, circumcision & HIV testing, use of prostitutes and preference for dry sex, which has made

things there far worse there than in Thailand. I'd also bring your attention again to the US porn industry i commented on above.

Re rates of HIV with sex workers in the Kingdom, "according to "one study conducted by the government in Bangkok in 2007, HIV prevalence among freelance sex workers in Bangkok was 19 percent whereas HIV prevalence had declined to 4.3 percent in CSEs in that year.59". Here is the study: http://www.unaids.or...s_report_en.pdf

there is no point in discussing anything with you because you are always right..... if I wear a condom and and it peforms as intended there is 100% protection - you can continue this stupid argument all you like but the failure rate with condoms is where they are not used as designed ......period.......... such a stupid argument........wear it and make sure it stays on....simple

[smedly]

don't agree with what ? aren't you saying exctly the same as me, I treat Thais and falangs the same with the same message, is my text in black ? go on disagree lol

It wasn't clear? I don't agree that people who don't get tested should be locked up. That's an absurd idea.

I seriously think that is where this evolution of HIV is heading, continue to have unprotected encounters in a known risky evironment and refuse to get tested...and maybe go home to GF oh great night out I f'cked 2x girls on soi 6 without protection - 6 months later your x GF calls you and says she has HIV, and the previos 6 months you have infected 20 people.........did you tell them all about your risky behavior....no.....did you consider getting tested because of your risky behavior..no.....did you tell them all you always wear condom but you are special

sorry for the spelling and lack of revision......it is 5am

yes it could be argued that everyones sexual health is in their own hands but that depends on how honest you are - no I never go with lady....no I always use condom .....I have test I am clean..... 3 months later ..........

Edited March 23, 2012 by smedly

[smedly]

Re rates of HIV with sex workers in the Kingdom, "according to "one study conducted by the government in Bangkok in 2007, HIV prevalence among freelance sex workers in Bangkok was 19 percent whereas HIV prevalence had declined to 4.3 percent in CSEs in that year.59". Here is the study: http://www.unaids.or...s_report_en.pdf

Here is a link that works:

http://www.unaids.or...s_report_en.pdf

I found these claims re Thailand of interest:

"In the general population the national trend in prevalence of HIV infection is one of continuous decline since 1996."

"Percentage of adults and children with advanced HIV infection receiving antiretroviral therapy - 41 (2006), 77.76 (2010) (page 9)

"Percentage of female and male sex workers reporting the use of a condom with their most recent client - 92% (2009) (page 13)

"Percentage of young women and men aged 15–24 who are HIV infected - 0.95 (2003) & 0.58 (2009) (page 13)

"Percentage of most-at-risk populations who are HIV infected - SW 3.17, FSW 2.79, MSW 14.17, MSM 13.53, IDU 38.67 (2010) (page 14)

FSW Female sex workers

IDU Injecting Drug Users

MSM Men who have Sex with Men

MSW Male Sex Workers

SW Sex Workers

http://www.unaids.or...s_report_en.pdf

"Thailand was one of the first countries in Asia to offer both first- and second-line antiretroviral treatment regimens. Lower drug

prices have contributed to a rapid increase in the number of HIV-positive people receiving antiretroviral treatment in Thailand, from

about 2,500 in November 2002, to 15,000 in November 2003, to more than 72,000 at the end of 2005, and finally to 112,000 at the end

of 2006, when around 88% of those in need of treatment were receiving it."

"Sources:

* UNAIDS/WHO 2006 Report on the global AIDS epidemic

* UNAIDS Joint United Nations Programme on HIV/AIDS, AIDS Epidemic Update: December 2003

* UNAIDS/WHO epidemiological fact sheets on HIV/AIDS and Sexually Transmitted Infections, 2004 Update"

http://forum.myredbo.../intl/4968.html

I didn't read your post or any of your links or any of the others for that matter because it doesn't matter..... don't you get it

we are not interested in you being right or wrong we are interested in people being aware that there is an ever present danger and there are also moral issues to behavior and responsiniltes, this thread is not about you

[oldthaihand99]

There is a hidden problem in this, this HIV virus is adapting to its human host and becoming less aggressive, put simply where at one time infection was a one year death sentence, now it is more like 5 to 10 years. Putting this in perspective it means a much longer period of support and medication for those infected.

That is interesting. In your opinion, what are the future implications of this in general & for Thailand in particular?

I'd be interested in reading & learning more about this. Is there anything you'ld recommend?

If i understand you correctly, you are saying it's a problem because of increased costs? OTOH, would it not be a good thing

if the virus is "becoming less agressive" & people are living much longer?

Edited March 24, 2012 by oldthaihand99

[oldthaihand99]

Does this figure include the very rich Thais who can afford to fly to, say, Germany, for their treatment?

They will get nothing more in Germany than they can get here. Thailand now uses very good HIV medicines, those that are standard in the USA. Cheap generics, as long as they are made by reputable laboratories, work exactly the same as the outrageously expensive brand names. Now that there are generics for many standard HIV meds, they are affordable here.

The sad part about the lack of public information in Thailand is that people are not getting tested. If people got tested, went on antiretrovirals, and eliminated their viral load, they would not pass on the virus. This is slowly becoming realized in Western countries. The biggest advance in HIV treatment in 2011 was that "treatment is prevention". A person taking their HIV medicines regularly for six months, with no viral load, cannot pass on the virus. It is those who have not been tested, so don't know they have HIV, who are spreading the virus today.

I appreciate the info about the 2011 realization, especially, which i was not aware of prior to reading this thread.

In your viewpoint, how far might this go in the near future towards eradicating HIV in Thailand?

Edited March 24, 2012 by oldthaihand99

[anterian]

There is a hidden problem in this, this HIV virus is adapting to its human host and becoming less aggressive, put simply where at one time infection was a one year death sentence, now it is more like 5 to 10 years. Putting this in perspective it means a much longer period of support and medication for those infected.

That is interesting. In your opinion, what are the future implications of this in general & for Thailand in particular?

I'd be interested in reading & learning more about this. Is there anything you'ld recommend?

If i understand you correctly, you are saying it's a problem because of increased costs? OTOH, would it not be a good thing

if the virus is "becoming less agressive" & people are living much longer?

first we have to examine the function of a transmissible disease, whether viral, bacterial or other. To be successful it needs to spread from host to host, so if it kills the host before it can be passed on, it has dead ended. Most new infections that enter the human population are very lethal, they are new to our immune system, for example the black death, or the great flu epidemic at the turn of the last century. Infectious strains with a fast mortality rate start to lose out against those strains that allow the host to live longer, and spread infection further. So when we look at the overall picture of any new disease, we find it gets progressively weaker, in the sense that the host lives longer. It is simple Darwinian selection.

We are seeing this decline in the HIV virus, victims now live longer, some of the credit for this belongs to medical research, but equally much is the result of adaptation to the host.

In time the infection will fully adapt to the host, its viral DNA (actually RNA) becomes part of the host DNA and is reproduced along with the host's.

http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pbio.1000301

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/06/100607101652.htm

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704529204576256714090044534.html

One possible side effect of this load of ancient viruses in our DNA is that they actually have extended our life expectancy, to improve their own transmission. Human life expectancy is double that of chimpanzees, our nearest relatives.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704529204576256714090044534.html

[SPIKECM]

I'll do a sumary of this whole thread

1. Ignore the numbers game as it actually means nothing to individuals, discussing it is pointless

2. If you have not had an HIV test go imediatelay and get one (along with your partner if you have one), if you don't you are irresponsible to yourself and risk infecting other people you come in contact with, the thought being assume you have it unless proven otherwise - seriously - that is how you must look at this as far as I can see, because the people that don't know are the extreme risk factor in this mess - not the people that have it and are being treated.

3. If in doubt (which is nearly always) - use protection

Liike in an earlier post I commented - I can't understand my friends on holiday here and refuse to wear protection - maybe having unprotected sex with 30 - 40 women over a couple of months - that means if the first one had...... you do the figures

...in normal sex with natural vaginal lubrication, the chance of HIV infection passing on is, in truth, not that high. I agree it is risky and rather stupid not to wear a condom, but you can't "do the figures" by assuming every sexual encounter passes on HIV.

Yes I do understand that - are you advocating people should just ignore the risk - isn't that why millions of people worldwide have this disease, the WHO are trying to stop the spread of HIV and according to them the best way to do that is to make sure that everyone that is indected knows they are and are on effective treatment, so it stands to reason that the most dangerous people are those that don't practise safe sex and have many casual encounters but refuse to get screened - these are the people who are currently spreading this disease and most likely dieing from it because by the time they find out they have it they are already very ill and have most likely infected many others along the way

Although it seems to be fairly difficult to pass from female to male I'm not sure about the male to female assuming unprotected intercourse - don't know ebough about it

It just seems to me that there's a lot of arrogance in the industry which is there to stop HIV infection. Basically they are not so much interested in the truth, but to use scare tactics. This is arrogant behaviour. It is also politically incorrect to say that there is a lower risk of women infecting men, than the other way around. The fact is that the main risk is intravenous needle sharing. After that, anal sex and after that infected men infecting women. Women infecting men is the least likely to happen. Heterosexual HIV rates in Sub-Saharan Africa are sky high because anal sex is used as a means of contraception. The "educators" can't tell you that.

The chance of getting other STD's from heterosexual sex (like herpes), is more risky than HIV.

I agree that that every man should wear a condom in casual sex, but not simply to protect himself. Firstly to respect that risk of infection is far higher for women in heterosexual sex and thus not to encourage girls to accept anyone playing Russian roulette with their lives. Secondly, for the protection of herpes and the likes and thirdly to protect themselves from possible HIV exposure. I get angry at men not using condoms with bar girls because it encourages girls to engage is risky behaviour, not so much that they expose themselves to risk.

Edited March 25, 2012 by SPIKECM

[oldsailor35]

Is it true that one has to wait 3 months from time of unprotected sex before a test can be made.

[ttelise]

don't agree with what ? aren't you saying exctly the same as me, I treat Thais and falangs the same with the same message, is my text in black ? go on disagree lol

It wasn't clear? I don't agree that people who don't get tested should be locked up. That's an absurd idea.

I think people who know or should know that they have HIV are no less culpable than those culpable for attempted or involuntary manslaughter. In fact, their mens rea is perhaps considerably more elevated than the speeding, reckless or intoxicated driver (having 3 beers or .08 BAC) who has a lapse and accidentally injuries or kills another. Let's face it, having unprotected sex with multiple partners in areas where there is a high incidence of HIV is extremely reckless and indifferent behavior given the gravity of harm imposed.

Edit to add as follows: I did not spend a huge amount if time, but I think I saw 14,000 drunk driving deaths a year and perhaps as many as 50,000 + AIDs related deaths a year in Thailand. This in conjunction with somewhere between only 500,000 to 1,000,000 HIV infected individuals some if which may not engage any unprotected sex or sex outside their relationship compared to how many drunk drivers in Thailand over the course of a year. So perhaps the individuals running around having sex while infected, even if they don't know, are far worse than the drunk drivers who kill.

Edited March 25, 2012 by ttelise

[Jingthing]

Drive defensively. F-word defensively or don't play at all. That's all you can do. We're adults. Protecting your arse is YOUR responsibility.

[wellred]

Is it true that one has to wait 3 months from time of unprotected sex before a test can be made.

Yeah something to do with the time it takes for antibodies to show up... I'm sure someone will correct me with the full shabang but I think it might well be up to 6 months.

[ttelise]

Drive defensively. F-word defensively or don't play at all. That's all you can do. We're adults. Protecting your arse is YOUR responsibility.

What if you have sex with someone who keeps that from you and your condom breaks? What if some drunk driver is in your lane heading directly at you as you crest a hill, you have no time to react and it kills your wife. Is this your wife's fault because she got into your car or your fault because you did not drive defensively?

[Jingthing]

Drive defensively. F-word defensively or don't play at all. That's all you can do. We're adults. Protecting your arse is YOUR responsibility.

What if you have sex with someone who keeps that from you and your condom breaks? What if some drunk driver is in your lane heading directly at you as you crest a hill, you have no time to react and it kills your wife. Is this your wife's fault because she got into your car or your fault because you did not drive defensively?

Don't get carried away. If the condom breaks, the condom breaks. It would have broken if you had known the wearer was positive or not. You want 100 percent safety? Give up sex.

[gogobar8]

Stay faithful to an HIV neg person and you ain't got nothing to worry about.

If you are f****** around play safe.

[ttelise]

Drive defensively. F-word defensively or don't play at all. That's all you can do. We're adults. Protecting your arse is YOUR responsibility.

What if you have sex with someone who keeps that from you and your condom breaks? What if some drunk driver is in your lane heading directly at you as you crest a hill, you have no time to react and it kills your wife. Is this your wife's fault because she got into your car or your fault because you did not drive defensively?

Don't get carried away. If the condom breaks, the condom breaks. It would have broken if you had known the wearer was positive or not. You want 100 percent safety? Give up sex.

You said drive defensively. I expect other person to be truthful.

I asked my current wife lots of questions before having sex with her and I would not have if I was not comfy with her responses even though she is 15 years younger and Russian hottie. Before your mind jumps to mail order she was already living in Florida and in Vegas, has an MBA in economics and was a top European model. Trust me, I wanted it bad as she is one of the baddest chicks I have ever seen. Nonetheless, I have managed to never have any STD and I am 45 years old. There is always another hottie down the street and many clean nice girls out there.

I just won't jump on anything that moves and can easily walk away if I don't trust the situation. If someone lied to me and gave me even herpes, there would be hell to pay. I would also not put someone else I at risk if I had herpes or HIV.

If someone gave me or my kids HIV and I found out they knew they had it, they won't be worried about AZT anymore.

[gogobar8]

AZT?

You know something I don't?

You wanna hear a story about a Russian hottie?

[ttelise]

AZT?

You know something I don't?

You wanna hear a story about a Russian hottie?

Haha, I thought AZT was an HIV drug. I know lots of Russian hottie stories, but would love to hear another one.

Mist of the one's I know, my wife's friends, are gold digging, obnoxious, conceded, opinionated bitches. Her best friend won't even consider dating someone unless they have a private jet and buy her 4k purses and 2k shoes. You might get some then . . . I just laught at them. My wife is totally sweet and down to earth and laughs at them also. But hey, at least they ate honest about it.