softgeorge Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Chooka, why don't you have a go at your mate Colin for using the term 'Pleading the 5th'. He was the one who used it first. I mean, it is hardly an exotic term, but as I've found out, with you mob, most things, including your own shadows are exotic. As an aside, I do note some irony here. You blokes a big supporters of 'One Nation' type policies, but, in the absence of a credible far right party (and I use that term lightly) you are all going to vote liberal. The irony lies in the fact that One Nation was brought undone by a new and low key backbencher at the time, who worked methodically to make the party implode, as his Jesuit education taught him to abhor the hate that party was teaching. Now, I know you guys are adverse to levels of research above anything that is achievable by a 5 year old, so I'll give you his name, cause that's just the type of bloke I am. Tony Abbott. This topic is getting just a little childish now with all the name calling, there are two sides those that want boat people and those that want them to go through the correct refugee system. So who's up for a beer my shout. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Chooka, why don't you have a go at your mate Colin for using the term 'Pleading the 5th'. He was the one who used it first. I mean, it is hardly an exotic term, but as I've found out, with you mob, most things, including your own shadows are exotic. As an aside, I do note some irony here. You blokes a big supporters of 'One Nation' type policies, but, in the absence of a credible far right party (and I use that term lightly) you are all going to vote liberal. The irony lies in the fact that One Nation was brought undone by a new and low key backbencher at the time, who worked methodically to make the party implode, as his Jesuit education taught him to abhor the hate that party was teaching. Now, I know you guys are adverse to levels of research above anything that is achievable by a 5 year old, so I'll give you his name, cause that's just the type of bloke I am. Tony Abbott. This topic is getting just a little childish now with all the name calling, there are two sides those that want boat people and those that want them to go through the correct refugee system. So who's up for a beer my shout. Thanks for the offer, but I would never knowingly socialise with people who posted "likes" to OziMick's comment about Boat People; since removed by the Moderator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ripstanley Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 (edited) News from Australia is that a boat has capsized about 120nm north of Christmas Island. About 200 on board http://www.abc.net.a...stralia/4084894 Edited June 21, 2012 by Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softgeorge Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 News from Australia is that a boat has capsized about 120nm north of Christmas Island. About 200 on board http://www.abc.net.a...stralia/4084894 In Indoneasian waters. didn't quite make it into Australian waters a couple of kms short, but Australia is heading the rescue mission so they will probably end up on Australian soil at xmas Island 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 News from Australia is that a boat has capsized about 120nm north of Christmas Island. About 200 on board http://www.abc.net.a...stralia/4084894 In Indoneasian waters. didn't quite make it into Australian waters a couple of kms short, but Australia is heading the rescue mission so they will probably end up on Australian soil at xmas Island One has to ask WHY Australia has to lead the rescue effort. Indonesia is a modern country with a navy, and it's in their waters. Is this a case of the Australian government being so arrogant that they think the indonesians are incapable of mounting a rescue mission, or some other reason that I can't posibly think of? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwinclapham Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 73 Rescued and they are working on the remainder survivors. ABC 24 hr News Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 I would guess that the Navy, in addition to the humanitarian concerns, wants to make sure it is monitoring any activity in Australian waters. There also may be some International Maritime protocols concerning assisting people in danger in the open seas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 News from Australia is that a boat has capsized about 120nm north of Christmas Island. About 200 on board http://www.abc.net.a...stralia/4084894 In Indoneasian waters. didn't quite make it into Australian waters a couple of kms short, but Australia is heading the rescue mission so they will probably end up on Australian soil at xmas Island One has to ask WHY Australia has to lead the rescue effort. Indonesia is a modern country with a navy, and it's in their waters. Is this a case of the Australian government being so arrogant that they think the indonesians are incapable of mounting a rescue mission, or some other reason that I can't posibly think of? I would guess that they do not trust Indonesia to do the right thing and they may be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 News from Australia is that a boat has capsized about 120nm north of Christmas Island. About 200 on board http://www.abc.net.a...stralia/4084894 In Indoneasian waters. didn't quite make it into Australian waters a couple of kms short, but Australia is heading the rescue mission so they will probably end up on Australian soil at xmas Island One has to ask WHY Australia has to lead the rescue effort. Indonesia is a modern country with a navy, and it's in their waters. Is this a case of the Australian government being so arrogant that they think the indonesians are incapable of mounting a rescue mission, or some other reason that I can't posibly think of? I would guess that they do not trust Indonesia to do the right thing and they may be right. So I guess you are saying that Australia is responsible for people that are not even in their territory. If that is indeed the case, they should just send every ship they have to bring all the asylum seekers from Indonesia, so they don't run into any problems on their way. Somehow, I don't think that would go down very well with the Aussie population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softgeorge Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 News from Australia is that a boat has capsized about 120nm north of Christmas Island. About 200 on board http://www.abc.net.a...stralia/4084894 In Indoneasian waters. didn't quite make it into Australian waters a couple of kms short, but Australia is heading the rescue mission so they will probably end up on Australian soil at xmas Island One has to ask WHY Australia has to lead the rescue effort. Indonesia is a modern country with a navy, and it's in their waters. Is this a case of the Australian government being so arrogant that they think the indonesians are incapable of mounting a rescue mission, or some other reason that I can't posibly think of? Maybe something to with a code of the sea and Australia already had craft in the area, air and sea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 News from Australia is that a boat has capsized about 120nm north of Christmas Island. About 200 on board http://www.abc.net.a...stralia/4084894 In Indoneasian waters. didn't quite make it into Australian waters a couple of kms short, but Australia is heading the rescue mission so they will probably end up on Australian soil at xmas Island One has to ask WHY Australia has to lead the rescue effort. Indonesia is a modern country with a navy, and it's in their waters. Is this a case of the Australian government being so arrogant that they think the indonesians are incapable of mounting a rescue mission, or some other reason that I can't posibly think of? Maybe something to with a code of the sea and Australia already had craft in the area, air and sea. Fair enough, but in that case, they should just rescue the shipwrecked and when the Indonesians turn up, hand over control of the rescue to them, and transfer any rescued in Indo waters to Indo ships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 So I guess you are saying that Australia is responsible for people that are not even in their territory. Well you would be wrong. I'm saying that the Aussies are doing it for humanitarian reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwinclapham Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 So I guess you are saying that Australia is responsible for people that are not even in their territory. Well you would be wrong. I'm saying that the Aussies are doing it for humanitarian reasons. Thank God! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 So I guess you are saying that Australia is responsible for people that are not even in their territory. Well you would be wrong. I'm saying that the Aussies are doing it for humanitarian reasons. Fair enough, but I still don't understand why the Aussies would then take the rescued to their territory, rather than returning those rescued in Indo waters to the Indonesians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 (edited) Two Indonesian navy boats en route. Gagah Prakoso, a spokesman for Indonesia's search and rescue service which is co-ordinating the operation, said the boat was an asylum-seeker vessel "coming from Sri Lanka and going to Christmas Island". Edited June 21, 2012 by simple1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samran Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Not arrogant. Australia just can't waltz into Indo territory. They have to be asked to specifically, though as others have mentioned, the law of the sea means that you basically have to help ships in distress. But, there will be those who wouldn't piss on someone if they were on fire, so what the Australian navy has done probably is a foreign concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chooka Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Not arrogant. Australia just can't waltz into Indo territory. They have to be asked to specifically, though as others have mentioned, the law of the sea means that you basically have to help ships in distress. But, there will be those who wouldn't piss on someone if they were on fire, so what the Australian navy has done probably is a foreign concept. We agree on something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chooka Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 What happened to those nice shiny new boats that the Australian taxpayer gave to Indoneasia to help deal with this problem of boatpeople? Why is it that the Australian Navy can get into "Indoneasian Waters" quicker than the Indonesian Navy? Why are these people rescued in Indoneasia being taken to Australia? Great job by the Australian Military for saving human lives, but I still have my opinions on boatpeople. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Since this topic has morphed into a discussion about the current boat which sunk in Indonesian waters and there is a thread on that, I will close this thread and comments are directed to this one: http://www.thaivisa....a/#entry5414996 //Closed// Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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