Red Shirts To Rally Outside Parliament: Bangkok

[carra]

Yes I seem to remember the yellows had bombs thrown *at* them. The red shirt protests involved some bomb *throwing*, threatening people with machetes, automatic rifle fire and even the odd RPG launch. Do you seriously think the two are comparable? Jeez...

Well in fairness we dont know who was throwing bombs around... we just know that during the Red insurrection the bombs were headed out of the red camp but in the Yellow occupation of Parliament the bombs were headed into the yellow camp...

And based on the amount of 'bombs' that was found at Government House it would appear that none exploded and the yellows decided to keep them and store them

[webfact]

Red shirts gathering outside Parliament

BANGKOK, June 7 - Red shirts from the pro-government United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) began gathering Thursday morning at Parliament seeking the impeachment of Constitution Court judges who issued an injunction for Parliament’s lower to suspend the vote on the third reading of the charter amendment bill.

The red shirt move came the day before Friday's joint House-Senate meeting amid a public dispute over the court's authority after it accepted consideration of the legality of the draft constitutional amendment and issued an injunction to suspend the parliamentary process until a court ruling.

As of today neither a vote nor consideration of the amendment for its third reading has been put on tomorrow's agenda.

Security has been tightened around Parliament to avoid possible confrontations as a rival movement, the yellow-shirted People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD), which oppose any move to amend the charter and any deliberation of national reconciliation bills, are gathering at the Royal Plaza, not far from Parliament.

The authorities have set up two-tiers of concrete barricades and 400 police officers have been deployed to maintain law and order.

The UDD claims nearly 10,000 names have been collected for the petition to impeach the court judges, while an additional 12,000 names will be sent from upcountry by noon today.

The Secretariat of Senate reported that Pheu Thai party-list MP Weng Tojirakarn, also a key Red shirt leader, will hand in the impeachment petition against the Constitution Court judges to Senate Speaker Theeradej Meepian at 2pm, giving it to his deputy Pornthip Lohveera Chanrattanapreeda. (MCOT online news)

-- TNA 2012-06-07

[MunterHunter]

And based on the amount of 'bombs' that was found at Government House it would appear that none exploded and the yellows decided to keep them and store them

Not so dissimilar to the amount of small arms and bombs that were found around the Central World area...

Also having a gun pointed at my head by red-shirt guards during the 2010 red insurgency and forcibly searched by a handful of thugs whilst trying to make my way to my place of work leads me to dislike the reds more than the yellows - no i cant prove that happened, as i already threw away the soiled underwear...

[Nickymaster]

No, I don't forget. But I think that events that occurred in 2009 and 2010, and were the result of Red shirts actions, were way more serious.

And I am afraid that current situation will again show what their true intention are..

I just hope I am wrong.

Anyway, wherever it comes from, violence is NOT an answer

well the seriousness depends on opinion. If I needed to catch a flight but was not bothered about shopping in central world, then my opinion would be that yellows caused more inconvenience and therefore their actions were worse, I am sure the airlines and the thousands of stranded people would feel the same, as would the people living and working near government house, or the people on sukhothai road where the car bomb exploded, or the police officers run over by yellow shirt cars, or the people having to clear the piss and shit from government house, or the police taken hostage at don meaung, or the radio and tv stations stormed, or the motorcycle taxi driver shot at near don meuang etc etc etc.

The levels of violence probably seem much worse with the reds but i guess having armed soldiers on the street randomly shooting at unarmed people as well as medics and photographers.

The fact is both camps had armed men, both camps use violence for the their own ends and both are as bad as each other, I am sure the yellows would be happy to do what the reds did and vice versa because both sides are blinded by selfishness and stupidity.

The one big issue here right now is that thailand has a democratically elected government, not the army or army appointed, a government for the people that has a clear majority. If the dems do not like this then they need to do better at the next election, pure and simple. If the PTP think the actions of the army or the courts contravened any laws when they had power, or if the feel the CNS violated or coerced the courts it is their duty to correct that and that is what they are trying to do. Sure it reeks but the people gave them this power and it is this power they are using. The army are doing the sensible thing right now and keeping their noses out and one would hope it remains that way. Thaksin is coming back whether people like it or not, his 'crimes' will be shown and being politically motivated, and a part of me thinks that both abhisit and suthep will be glad of an amnesty in the coming months despite their claims to the contrary.

I must also remind you that there have been NO convictions for the burning of Centralworld as there was no evidence against the arrested me, if something smells fishy thats because it probably is fishy.

It still amazes me how people dare to say "yeah but the yellow people

No, I don't forget. But I think that events that occurred in 2009 and 2010, and were the result of Red shirts actions, were way more serious.

And I am afraid that current situation will again show what their true intention are..

I just hope I am wrong.

Anyway, wherever it comes from, violence is NOT an answer

well the seriousness depends on opinion. If I needed to catch a flight but was not bothered about shopping in central world, then my opinion would be that yellows caused more inconvenience and therefore their actions were worse, I am sure the airlines and the thousands of stranded people would feel the same, as would the people living and working near government house, or the people on sukhothai road where the car bomb exploded, or the police officers run over by yellow shirt cars, or the people having to clear the piss and shit from government house, or the police taken hostage at don meaung, or the radio and tv stations stormed, or the motorcycle taxi driver shot at near don meuang etc etc etc.

The levels of violence probably seem much worse with the reds but i guess having armed soldiers on the street randomly shooting at unarmed people as well as medics and photographers.

The fact is both camps had armed men, both camps use violence for the their own ends and both are as bad as each other, I am sure the yellows would be happy to do what the reds did and vice versa because both sides are blinded by selfishness and stupidity.

The one big issue here right now is that thailand has a democratically elected government, not the army or army appointed, a government for the people that has a clear majority. If the dems do not like this then they need to do better at the next election, pure and simple. If the PTP think the actions of the army or the courts contravened any laws when they had power, or if the feel the CNS violated or coerced the courts it is their duty to correct that and that is what they are trying to do. Sure it reeks but the people gave them this power and it is this power they are using. The army are doing the sensible thing right now and keeping their noses out and one would hope it remains that way. Thaksin is coming back whether people like it or not, his 'crimes' will be shown and being politically motivated, and a part of me thinks that both abhisit and suthep will be glad of an amnesty in the coming months despite their claims to the contrary.

I must also remind you that there have been NO convictions for the burning of Centralworld as there was no evidence against the arrested me, if something smells fishy thats because it probably is fishy.

You are out of your mind. Especially this part:

The levels of violence probably seem much worse with the reds but i guess having armed soldiers on the street randomly shooting at unarmed people as well as medics and photographers.

Thaksin is not coming back any time soon.

[saltandpepper]

How much for 1 signature?

For 1 day outing, it is 500 baht. I believe that 1 signature is cheaper.

[smedly]

RT @RichardBarrow: Red Shirts collecting 20,000 signatures to seek impeachment of judges of Constitution Court http://bit.ly/MaWZmB

do these poor people have a clue what they are doing - trying to remove the CC is a blatent move against His Majesty the KING in my opinion

it's a pity the King was in such poor health I don't think a lot of this law breaking attempts would continue

Thaksin was never in favour of the Monarchy I believe as it restricted his ability to do as he pleased - seems it's still happening

sad sad state of affairs

[Skywalker69]

I don't understand how we can call it the voice of the people

Redmob is the voice of "some people", and they have the right to have their voice heard. In democracy this means they contact their elected officials in parliament, who propose political motions to improve the lives of 'those people' who have contacted them. Proposing motions, or bills, should be conducted with open and fair debate by all sides of the parliament, and overseen by impartial moderator. The PM should be present for all except the most minor policy augmentation. The PM should answer all questions put to him/her on record and unscripted. The Opposition should be able to ask questions regarding any policy or bill to any member of the sitting government, and it is the duty of the questionee to answer that question put to them. This is how policy is formed along democratic lines, by a gradual debating process and eventual consensus.

Sadly the PTP prime minister is rarely in parliament, refuses to answer questions unscripted and also avoids unscripted Q&A in almost all media events. The Opposition are shouted down and intimidated during debates, told to go hang themselves, debates which are not impartially moderated or intended to promote healthy balanced consensus, merely to push PTP policy through by any possible means. The redmob outside the gates are there to protect the despotic PTP leadership from the forces of democracy which are also being silenced within the parliament during the one-sided 'talk to the hand' PTP debating style.

Good post Yunla, thanks.

[carra]

And based on the amount of 'bombs' that was found at Government House it would appear that none exploded and the yellows decided to keep them and store them

Not so dissimilar to the amount of small arms and bombs that were found around the Central World area...

Also having a gun pointed at my head by red-shirt guards during the 2010 red insurgency and forcibly searched by a handful of thugs whilst trying to make my way to my place of work leads me to dislike the reds more than the yellows - no i cant prove that happened, as i already threw away the soiled underwear...

so we can agree, both are as bad as each other

[Skywalker69]

Stage one - Red government - acheived.

Stage two - Red justice system - in progress.

Stage three - Thaksin returns - scheduled for a nano second after stage two.

Stage four - Anarchy.

Stage five - Death of a nation.

True

[MunterHunter]

so we can agree, both are as bad as each other

Both groups will use violence to achieve their ends, its just the reds are a lot more eager to do it bigger and more often... so yes whilst they are both as bad as each other, we do have a clear leader in the 'who is worse' race

[carra]

You are out of your mind. Especially this part:

The levels of violence probably seem much worse with the reds but i guess having armed soldiers on the street randomly shooting at unarmed people as well as medics and photographers.

Thaksin is not coming back any time soon.

Fully in control of my senses thank you very much, balanced and viewing both sides, save your insults for the blinkered ones without the ability to be rational. The people that think the yellows were not violent seem to be the ones out of their minds,

i reiterate 'both sides are as bad as each other' and 'Thaksin will be back whether people like it or not'

just a thought, if the shooting was not random can you explain why photographers were shot, why a medic was shot whilst helping people, and don't say that was the reds shooting them as it is clear that the soldiers were panicking and shooting at random as can be seen when one soldier shot one of his own men when they were approaching on motorcycles to help them and were posing no immediate threat, so yes, the army were responsible for many deaths when they were under no immediate threat, I would call this random shooting at targets that were no threat.

[Thaddeus]

And based on the amount of 'bombs' that was found at Government House it would appear that none exploded and the yellows decided to keep them and store them

Not so dissimilar to the amount of small arms and bombs that were found around the Central World area...

Also having a gun pointed at my head by red-shirt guards during the 2010 red insurgency and forcibly searched by a handful of thugs whilst trying to make my way to my place of work leads me to dislike the reds more than the yellows - no i cant prove that happened, as i already threw away the soiled underwear...

so we can agree, both are as bad as each other

Err... no.

The Yellow protests were mainly peaceful, the Red protests have been mainly violent.

And how you could make the comparison earlier between missing a flight and being in a burning building is just way beyond my grasp.

[smedly]

No, I don't forget. But I think that events that occurred in 2009 and 2010, and were the result of Red shirts actions, were way more serious.

And I am afraid that current situation will again show what their true intention are..

I just hope I am wrong.

Anyway, wherever it comes from, violence is NOT an answer

well the seriousness depends on opinion. If I needed to catch a flight but was not bothered about shopping in central world, then my opinion would be that yellows caused more inconvenience and therefore their actions were worse, I am sure the airlines and the thousands of stranded people would feel the same, as would the people living and working near government house, or the people on sukhothai road where the car bomb exploded, or the police officers run over by yellow shirt cars, or the people having to clear the piss and shit from government house, or the police taken hostage at don meaung, or the radio and tv stations stormed, or the motorcycle taxi driver shot at near don meuang etc etc etc.

The levels of violence probably seem much worse with the reds but i guess having armed soldiers on the street randomly shooting at unarmed people as well as medics and photographers will give that impression.

The fact is both camps had armed men, both camps use violence for the their own ends and both are as bad as each other, I am sure the yellows would be happy to do what the reds did and vice versa because both sides are blinded by selfishness and stupidity.

The one big issue here right now is that thailand has a democratically elected government, not the army or army appointed, a government for the people that has a clear majority. If the dems do not like this then they need to do better at the next election, pure and simple. If the PTP think the actions of the army or the courts contravened any laws when they had power, or if the feel the CNS violated or coerced the courts it is their duty to correct that and that is what they are trying to do. Sure it reeks but the people gave them this power and it is this power they are using. The army are doing the sensible thing right now and keeping their noses out and one would hope it remains that way. Thaksin is coming back whether people like it or not, his 'crimes' will be shown as being politically motivated, and a part of me thinks that both abhisit and suthep will be glad of an amnesty in the coming months despite their claims to the contrary.

I must also remind you that there have been NO convictions for the burning of Centralworld as there was no evidence against the arrested men, if something smells fishy thats because it probably is fishy.

sorry but what a complete pile of <deleted> you posted, go do a bit of research on the democratic process - the constitution and the CC put in place to protect same before you start posting nonesense

[Credo]

It's a nation that is on life-support.

Until the voters are allowed to make their mistakes and not have intervention by the military or others, they will not learn and a true democratic system will not develop.

[carra]

so we can agree, both are as bad as each other

Both groups will use violence to achieve their ends, its just the reds are a lot more eager to do it bigger and more often... so yes whilst they are both as bad as each other, we do have a clear leader in the 'who is worse' race

opinions are like <deleted>, we all have one, that is your opinion, my opinion is that they are as bad as each other.

Ask yourself why the reds feel the need to do it more often and you might eventually realise what the problems are with this country.

[Buchholz]

there are two mobs in this and both as bad as each other so I fail to see why people constantly focus on the reds

Because, as birdpooguava informed us, they are the most important of the two.

The Reds are currently by far the most important political movement in Thailand

They're also being by far the most violent political movement in Thailand when mixed with that increasing bitterness may soon bring about.... as Thida says... the use of force necessary to crack down on her Red protesters may occur again.

I wonder where her words from three weeks ago are in relation to today's context of a new "Hardliner Cop" in charge of protests and the Reds are out protesting today.

.

[carra]

And based on the amount of 'bombs' that was found at Government House it would appear that none exploded and the yellows decided to keep them and store them

Not so dissimilar to the amount of small arms and bombs that were found around the Central World area...

Also having a gun pointed at my head by red-shirt guards during the 2010 red insurgency and forcibly searched by a handful of thugs whilst trying to make my way to my place of work leads me to dislike the reds more than the yellows - no i cant prove that happened, as i already threw away the soiled underwear...

so we can agree, both are as bad as each other

Err... no.

The Yellow protests were mainly peaceful, the Red protests have been mainly violent.

And how you could make the comparison earlier between missing a flight and being in a burning building is just way beyond my grasp.

haahaha whitewashing history, the yellows were peaceful hahahahhaha, do you really believe that.

i will also point out that I made no claim that missing a flight was worse than burning a building down, I simply said to ask the people that are affected by either and you will get an answer based on that. I will also remind you that we know the yellows were responsible for being at the airport, that was clear, what is not clear is exactly who started the fires.

Lets deal in facts here, not your fantasy world about peaceful yellows or I night get warned for used the laughing smiley too often.

Both sides were violent, both used violence, if in your opinion one side was more violent then thats up to you, personally i think any amount is too much but you seem to think that car bombs are ok because the reds did worse (in your opinion). that is like asking if you would rather die by being shot or stabbed.

[Scott]

A post has been deleted and others may follow. Please be civil to one another. Stay on the topic, which is not about other posters.

[Buchholz]

Red-shirt spokesman Worawut Wichaidit said the change in plan was due to fear of people with ill intention taking the opportunity to cause chaos.

A subject on which the redmob can speak with great erudition.

and the yellows

Well it was not the "yellows" as you put it, who made the statement in this thread OP "fear of people with ill intention taking the opportunity to cause chaos". I was saying that it is rich for the redmob to come out with such a comment, bearing in mind their own free-and-easy attitude to arson and murder.

It's a prelude comment that sets up the "fake Red Shirt" defense when something goes wrong.

.

[Skywalker69]

RT @RichardBarrow: Red Shirts collecting 20,000 signatures to seek impeachment of judges of Constitution Court http://bit.ly/MaWZmB

do these poor people have a clue what they are doing - trying to remove the CC is a blatent move against His Majesty the KING in my opinion

it's a pity the King was in such poor health I don't think a lot of this law breaking attempts would continue

Thaksin was never in favour of the Monarchy I believe as it restricted his ability to do as he pleased - seems it's still happening

sad sad state of affairs

No they don´t they only do what they are told (and paid) to do.

[rixalex]

well the seriousness depends on opinion. If I needed to catch a flight but was not bothered about shopping in central world, then my opinion would be that yellows caused more inconvenience and therefore their actions were worse, I am sure the airlines and the thousands of stranded people would feel the same, as would the people living and working near government house, or the people on sukhothai road where the car bomb exploded, or the police officers run over by yellow shirt cars, or the people having to clear the piss and shit from government house, or the police taken hostage at don meaung, or the radio and tv stations stormed, or the motorcycle taxi driver shot at near don meuang etc etc etc.

The levels of violence probably seem much worse with the reds but i guess having armed soldiers on the street randomly shooting at unarmed people as well as medics and photographers will give that impression.

The fact is both camps had armed men, both camps use violence for the their own ends and both are as bad as each other, I am sure the yellows would be happy to do what the reds did and vice versa because both sides are blinded by selfishness and stupidity.

The one big issue here right now is that thailand has a democratically elected government, not the army or army appointed, a government for the people that has a clear majority. If the dems do not like this then they need to do better at the next election, pure and simple. If the PTP think the actions of the army or the courts contravened any laws when they had power, or if the feel the CNS violated or coerced the courts it is their duty to correct that and that is what they are trying to do. Sure it reeks but the people gave them this power and it is this power they are using. The army are doing the sensible thing right now and keeping their noses out and one would hope it remains that way. Thaksin is coming back whether people like it or not, his 'crimes' will be shown as being politically motivated, and a part of me thinks that both abhisit and suthep will be glad of an amnesty in the coming months despite their claims to the contrary.

I must also remind you that there have been NO convictions for the burning of Centralworld as there was no evidence against the arrested men, if something smells fishy thats because it probably is fishy.

Your post smells of something other than fish.

The levels of violence probably seem much worse with the reds but i guess having armed soldiers on the street randomly shooting at unarmed people as well as medics and photographers will give that impression.

It doesn't seem worse. It has been worse. Anyone who looks at the facts can see that.

The one big issue here right now is that thailand has a democratically elected government, not the army or army appointed, a government for the people that has a clear majority. If the dems do not like this then they need to do better at the next election, pure and simple.

Nope, the one big issue here is Thaksin's desire to get given the whitewash he feels he deserves. This is what the Dems and the yellows don't like. Up until this bill nonsense, everything was relatively calm.

Thaksin is coming back whether people like it or not, his 'crimes' will be shown as being politically motivated, and a part of me thinks that both abhisit and suthep will be glad of an amnesty in the coming months despite their claims to the contrary.

Crimes in inverted commas??!! Please, even Thaksin isn't that deluded to think he hasn't committed any.

I must also remind you that there have been NO convictions for the burning of Centralworld as there was no evidence against the arrested men, if something smells fishy thats because it probably is fishy.

Why are you reminding us whether or not there were convictions? Convictions mean nothing to you. Or did you forget? Or is that rule selectively applied for people with square heads?

[animatic]

so we can agree, both are as bad as each other

Both groups will use violence to achieve their ends, its just the reds are a lot more eager to do it bigger and more often... so yes whilst they are both as bad as each other, we do have a clear leader in the 'who is worse' race

opinions are like <deleted>, we all have one, that is your opinion, my opinion is that they are as bad as each other.

Ask yourself why the reds feel the need to do it more often and you might eventually realise what the problems are with this country.

Yes, utterly amoral capitalism, Kow Tow feudal politics,

and pure greed for power and face-gain by a certain disgraced political person,

and the political-hacks, butt-lickers and thugs he operates.

Edited June 7, 2012 by animatic

[Thaddeus]

Err... no.

The Yellow protests were mainly peaceful, the Red protests have been mainly violent.

And how you could make the comparison earlier between missing a flight and being in a burning building is just way beyond my grasp.

haahaha whitewashing history, the yellows were peaceful hahahahhaha, do you really believe that.

Your reply proves that you are so determined to spout vitriol over and above reading and comprehension.....

I never said anything about whitewashing history and I did say mainly peaceful.

[jonclark]

No, I don't forget. But I think that events that occurred in 2009 and 2010, and were the result of Red shirts actions, were way more serious.

And I am afraid that current situation will again show what their true intention are..

I just hope I am wrong.

Anyway, wherever it comes from, violence is NOT an answer

well the seriousness depends on opinion. If I needed to catch a flight but was not bothered about shopping in central world, then my opinion would be that yellows caused more inconvenience and therefore their actions were worse, I am sure the airlines and the thousands of stranded people would feel the same, as would the people living and working near government house, or the people on sukhothai road where the car bomb exploded, or the police officers run over by yellow shirt cars, or the people having to clear the piss and shit from government house, or the police taken hostage at don meaung, or the radio and tv stations stormed, or the motorcycle taxi driver shot at near don meuang etc etc etc.

The levels of violence probably seem much worse with the reds but i guess having armed soldiers on the street randomly shooting at unarmed people as well as medics and photographers will give that impression.

The fact is both camps had armed men, both camps use violence for the their own ends and both are as bad as each other, I am sure the yellows would be happy to do what the reds did and vice versa because both sides are blinded by selfishness and stupidity.

The one big issue here right now is that thailand has a democratically elected government, not the army or army appointed, a government for the people that has a clear majority. If the dems do not like this then they need to do better at the next election, pure and simple. If the PTP think the actions of the army or the courts contravened any laws when they had power, or if the feel the CNS violated or coerced the courts it is their duty to correct that and that is what they are trying to do. Sure it reeks but the people gave them this power and it is this power they are using. The army are doing the sensible thing right now and keeping their noses out and one would hope it remains that way. Thaksin is coming back whether people like it or not, his 'crimes' will be shown as being politically motivated, and a part of me thinks that both abhisit and suthep will be glad of an amnesty in the coming months despite their claims to the contrary.

I must also remind you that there have been NO convictions for the burning of Centralworld as there was no evidence against the arrested men, if something smells fishy thats because it probably is fishy.

sorry but what a complete pile of <deleted> you posted, go do a bit of research on the democratic process - the constitution and the CC put in place to protect same before you start posting nonesense

then educate me oh wise one, feel free to show us all your wisdom.

i don't see much wisdom in posting 'a complete pile of <deleted>'.

If i respond with 'you have posted a bigger pile of <deleted>' do I win the argument?

Carra, I love the bit in your previous post "Taksin crimes will be shown to be politically motivated". You hit the nail squarely on the head with the word shown. I totally agree. It is all in the presentation and the truth will be buried.

I would imagine as a holder of the highest political office in the land he would have been politically motivated all the time in his dealing with his fellow TRT MP and opposition MP was this right or wrong??

Or maybe there is good and bad political motivation...ooooh my head hurts.

Seems a very convenient, vague and obtuse term 'political motivation', especially for a politician.

[CockneyGit]

Stage one - Red government - acheived.

Stage two - Red justice system - in progress.

Stage three - Thaksin returns - scheduled for a nano second after stage two.

Stage four - Anarchy.

Stage five - Death of a nation.

Worringly accurate assessment..!!

[Moruya]

The reports are saying that a crowd of 300 red shirts have gathered.

IKEA will have more than that today by far

[Ferangled]

By "objecting vehemently" do you mean taking the capital city hostage and threatening to burn it down if parliament wasn't immediately dissolved? Cos i don't recall them doing that. You must mean some other sort of "objecting vehemently".

No, quite clearly there are many different ways to object vehemently...

The PAD formally renounced non-violence and vowed bloody revenge. In November, the PAD blockaded Parliament prior to a crucial legislative session, used hijacked public buses to take control of the government's provisional offices at Don Muang Airport, and seized control of Suvarnabhumi International Airport. The PAD also threatened to lay siege to the seaports of the Eastern Seaboard.The PAD's sieges and protests ended after the Constitutional Court dissolved the PPP, banned its leaders from politics, and Army Commander Anuphong Phaochinda pressured many PPP MPs to defect to the Democrat Party and elect Abhisit Vejjajiva as Premier. PAD co-leader Kasit Piromya was appointed Foreign Minister in the new government.

I wonder how much more bloodshed we would have seen if the CC hadn't stepped in to offer power to the violent PAD mob?

Similarly how much less bloodshed we would have seen in 2010, had the demands of the reds been met so readily rather than being met with armed suppression?

Remember they simply wanted the opportunity for the Thai people to vote for their own Government, not forcibly instate their own leader...

At the height of the sieges, the PAD openly stated that the only person they would accept as Premier was Abhisit.

Seems entirely democratic and reasonable to me!

Citing the claimed failure of popular democracy in Thailand, the PAD suggested constitutional amendments that would make Parliament a largely royally appointed body. The Asian Human Rights Commission has noted of the PAD and their agenda that, "although they may not describe themselves as fascist, have fascist qualities." It has openly called for the military and Thailand's traditional elite to take a greater role in politics.

A strange stance for those that call themselves democrats...

Edited June 7, 2012 by Ferangled

[ginjag]

Here in Thailand and your talking who is most bad.

I would have a FAIRLY honest top ten or so of baddies here. T.S family, red shirts, greedy M.Ps, police, some top Thai companies, yellow shirts, True,TOT,TAT, government contrators(many) AOT, King Power, Near all local government voted officers. Posters sure can add to that list. Without T.S. and family, red shirts, Yellow shirts would maybe NOT exist. You decide who are the main offenders are. I am neutral with nothing to gain. We all can see you are entrenched on the rose coloured side, and see no evil. Sorry for your viewpoint. I know your not gonna like mine.

[Thai at Heart]

The issue is not really whether or not it gets debated in the parliament properly, since PTP has a firm majority in there, so the vote is always going to pass, is what legal mechanisms exist for any legal body to block a law passed by Parliament. This is such weird legal situation.

Is the fundamental that the CC have the right to simply accept complaints and in doing so, deem it that it can prevent parliament continuing to vote on an issue? I know this is a very emotional issue for the Reds and Yellows, but I can't see how it can be that all that is needed to stop a parliamentary vote going on is for the CC to accept a complaint, and in some way stop the parliamentary process. Wouldn't that right sit with the senate to look at the law as voted on by parliament and then in some way want to get a ruling from the CC that the law in and of itself is unconstitutional?

[rixalex]

Carra, I love the bit in your previous post "Taksin crimes will be shown to be politically motivated". You hit the nail squarely on the head with the word shown. I totally agree. It is all in the presentation and the truth will be buried.

I would imagine as a holder of the highest political office in the land he would have been politically motivated all the time in his dealing with his fellow TRT MP and opposition MP was this right or wrong??

Or maybe there is good and bad political motivation...ooooh my head hurts.

Seems a very convenient, vague and obtuse term 'political motivation', especially for a politician.

All "politically motivated conviction" means is a conviction that a person of power and influence would normally be able to evade.

In "normal" circumstances, the land deal that Thaksin's wife was involved with, which was clearly being against easily understood and reasonable laws concerning state officials bidding on state land, would have never got before a judge. Now that would have been politically motivated inaction, much like the politically motivated inaction we saw against him when he blatantly "hid" his assets.