kerryk Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 But if they grant asylum, they will just give him a passport with Diplomatic Immunity, simple really. I hope he gets it and I hope he can carry on for the next 20 years in Ecuador exposing all of the sleazy lies that we suspect our Governments tell. The guy deserves a medal, i agree the release of information was rather untidy, but the contents were the truth, what's wrong with the truth? As for the rape charges, we have been over this a gazillion times. He was interviewed fully in Sweden by the authorities and the Public Prosecutor decided there was no case, so the PP was replaced with one that wanted to pursue the case. It's all BS. For the first time I agree with you 100% Well said. If you agree 100%, then you would both be wrong. This link was posted by Midas earlier in the thread (page 1) and explains Assamge would not be eligible for Diplomatic Immunity in the UK and the reasoning why. _____________________________________________________________ Julian Assange asylum: questions and answers Owen Bowcott guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 20 June 2012 16.23 BST ...from the article... Q: Is there any way the Ecuadoreans can spirit him out of Britain and ensure he reaches the safety of Quito, their capital? A: If Assange steps out of the embassy, he is liable to be arrested. Were he to be given a diplomatic passport, that would not alter the situation: immunity from arrest is only conferred on diplomats accredited to the Court of St James's by the Foreign Office. Any attempt by the Ecuadoreans to have him accredited would be rebuffed by UK authorities. Were Assange to accept an Ecuadorean diplomatic passport, some suggest, he would become an Ecuadorean national – and therefore be unable to seek asylum in what would now be his own country's embassy. Diplomacy is a cunning profession – dangerously double-edged. http://www.guardian....estions-answers Ever heard about helicopters? A helicopter can fly from the UK to Ecuador? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipo1000 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 A helicopter can take one to the airport,where he can enter a diplomatic airplane. A helicopter can also take one over the land border,or to a boat in international waters without anyone being aware of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerryk Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 A helicopter can take one to the airport,where he can enter a diplomatic airplane. A helicopter can also take one over the land border,or to a boat in international waters without anyone being aware of it. I guess they don't have that new fangled radar stuff in London yet. No one would realize a helicopter was going to land at the Ecuadorian embassy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipo1000 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 A helicopter can take one to the airport,where he can enter a diplomatic airplane. A helicopter can also take one over the land border,or to a boat in international waters without anyone being aware of it. I guess they don't have that new fangled radar stuff in London yet. No one would realize a helicopter was going to land at the Ecuadorian embassy. Well I guess there may land a helicopter at the embassy on more than one occassion,but I guess they have no duty to report to anyone who is actually inside the vehicle.And even if they knew, or guessed that Assagne was inside, what they gonne do.Shoot it down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folium Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 A helicopter can take one to the airport,where he can enter a diplomatic airplane. A helicopter can also take one over the land border,or to a boat in international waters without anyone being aware of it. Enough of the James Bond stuff please! This is no US embassy Saigon helicopters on the roof stuff. The London Embassy of Ecuador is an apartment in a residential block and not even a top floor apartment at that. So 00Julian leaps out of window onto passing helicopter? Love to see that happen in Hans Crescent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meand Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 What about the possibility that he just doesn't come out. Months go by, and where is he? He's got friends, money and connections -- anything is possible. People are making it too black and white. I'm sure he went in this particular embassy for a reason. Maybe i'm way off base Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maidu Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 I'd like to see the guy extradited to the US. He may have thought he was being clever, but he endangered others. He also put a crimp on correspondence which was thought to be confidential. Even little old Thai Visa members have emails which are confidential. I don't think we would want all our correspondence publicly aired out to the whole world. You can joke about 'how boring that might be...' but seriously, there are some things that you write which are meant to be seen just by the people you're writing to. Maybe not earth-shattering items written by you and me, but confidential nonetheless. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koheesti Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 what does this say about some Americans attitude towards their own country.....? Prominent Americans urge Ecuador to accept Julian Assange's asylum request It says that America isn't so bad that Communists and assorted leftists in our midst fear signing their names to a letter making wild, false accusations against the government all in the name of defending some creepy, ego-maniac, maybe-rapist on the run from true justice. Yeah, but to be fair, very few of the those people signing are actually communists. I know that's a fun hot button word for y'all though. Yet you yourself readily admit that some are Communists making my statement true even in your own opinion. So I'm not sure why you are trying to be a smartazz with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koheesti Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 what does this say about some Americans attitude towards their own country.....? Prominent Americans urge Ecuador to accept Julian Assange's asylum request The following letter has been circulated mostly in the United States by Just Foreign Policy. It was hand-delivered to the Embassy of Ecuador in London by Just Foreign Policy Policy Director Robert Naiman on Monday, June 25. It has now been signed by more than 4000 people. " We also call on you to grant Mr. Assange political asylum because the “crime” that he has committed is that of practicing journalism. He has revealed important crimes against humanity committed by the U.S. government, most notably in releasing video footage from an Apache helicopter of a 2007 incident in which the U.S. military appears to have deliberately killed civilians, including two Reuters employees. Wikileaks’ release of thousands of U.S. State Department cables revealed important cases of U.S. officials acting to undermine democracy and human rights around the world." http://www.justforei...y.org/node/1257 The first few names on the signature list shows the true nature of this stuff. Michael Moore, Film Director Danny Glover, Film Director Oliver Stone, Film Director Bill Maher, Comedian, Television Host, Political Commentator, Author Naomi Wolf, Author Daniel Ellsberg, Vietnam War Whistleblower yes tremendous film directors who cover issues and tell the truth about things that the mainstream media turn a blind eye to What a crock. Nothing could be further from the truth. Seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koheesti Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 A helicopter can take one to the airport,where he can enter a diplomatic airplane. A helicopter can also take one over the land border,or to a boat in international waters without anyone being aware of it. I guess they don't have that new fangled radar stuff in London yet. No one would realize a helicopter was going to land at the Ecuadorian embassy. Well I guess there may land a helicopter at the embassy on more than one occassion,but I guess they have no duty to report to anyone who is actually inside the vehicle.And even if they knew, or guessed that Assagne was inside, what they gonne do.Shoot it down? Let's put this silliness to an end... http://maps.google.com/maps?rlz=1C1GGGE_enAE413AE421&sugexp=chrome,mod%3D15&q=ecuador+embassy+london+uk&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&ei=j-7rT7L8O-r74QSJ_pSWBQ&ved=0CFIQ_AUoAg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folium Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Methinks the silence indicates that helicopter access to a second floor apartment in a four floor residential block in central London is a tad difficult. Probably no issue if on COD Modern Pattaya 2 or similar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckd Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 (edited) But if they grant asylum, they will just give him a passport with Diplomatic Immunity, simple really. I hope he gets it and I hope he can carry on for the next 20 years in Ecuador exposing all of the sleazy lies that we suspect our Governments tell. The guy deserves a medal, i agree the release of information was rather untidy, but the contents were the truth, what's wrong with the truth? As for the rape charges, we have been over this a gazillion times. He was interviewed fully in Sweden by the authorities and the Public Prosecutor decided there was no case, so the PP was replaced with one that wanted to pursue the case. It's all BS. For the first time I agree with you 100% Well said. If you agree 100%, then you would both be wrong. This link was posted by Midas earlier in the thread (page 1) and explains Assamge would not be eligible for Diplomatic Immunity in the UK and the reasoning why. _____________________________________________________________ Julian Assange asylum: questions and answers Owen Bowcott guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 20 June 2012 16.23 BST ...from the article... Q: Is there any way the Ecuadoreans can spirit him out of Britain and ensure he reaches the safety of Quito, their capital? A: If Assange steps out of the embassy, he is liable to be arrested. Were he to be given a diplomatic passport, that would not alter the situation: immunity from arrest is only conferred on diplomats accredited to the Court of St James's by the Foreign Office. Any attempt by the Ecuadoreans to have him accredited would be rebuffed by UK authorities. Were Assange to accept an Ecuadorean diplomatic passport, some suggest, he would become an Ecuadorean national – and therefore be unable to seek asylum in what would now be his own country's embassy. Diplomacy is a cunning profession – dangerously double-edged. http://www.guardian....estions-answers Ever heard about helicopters? I see others have answered your silly argument about helicopters but how about if he tunnels out? I'm sure the Embassy would get him a copy of "The Great Escape" and he could learn all about digging his way out. Edit in: I just looked at the Google map and there is the possibility he could tunnel out, under the M-4 over to Hyde Park and one of those new fangled US stealth choppers could come in and swoop him away to a life of leisure at somebody else's expense. This tunnel idea is getting me all worked up. Edited June 28, 2012 by chuckd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meand Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 (edited) Well, why would you need to tunnel out? Diplomats are coming out all the time I would assume. Are all those vehicles being fully searched every time, in every crevice, holding up the diplomats every time they leave. There are probably one million ways to get out of there, and also on his side is as time goes by, people don't know if you are in fact in there or not, right? Not to mention it seems it would be about a thousand times easier to escape from an embassy than from a prison, especially when you have money and friends on your side. Again, he went to this specific embassy for a reason, he's no dummy, we all agree on that. This could get interesting one day. Edited June 28, 2012 by meand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 He went to the Ecuador embassy because he saw a friend in the president of Ecuador. Nothing mysterious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meand Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Maybe he is tunneling to Ecuador. Well, things can seem simple on the surface. I doubt he went there and didn't have any plan whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerryk Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 I always thought that the British Police force was the best in the world but has anyone wondered how Julian skipped through the checkpoints to get to the Ecuadorian embassy in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folium Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 I always thought that the British Police force was the best in the world but has anyone wondered how Julian skipped through the checkpoints to get to the Ecuadorian embassy in the first place? What checkpoints? It's a dam_n apartment in a residential block! Not Ft Knox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerryk Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 I always thought that the British Police force was the best in the world but has anyone wondered how Julian skipped through the checkpoints to get to the Ecuadorian embassy in the first place? What checkpoints? It's a dam_n apartment in a residential block! Not Ft Knox. I meant from where he used to live to the Ecuadorian embassy. They had to be watching him. Didn't they? London isn't a 3 rd world city yet is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 I always thought that the British Police force was the best in the world but has anyone wondered how Julian skipped through the checkpoints to get to the Ecuadorian embassy in the first place? What checkpoints? It's a dam_n apartment in a residential block! Not Ft Knox. I meant from where he used to live to the Ecuadorian embassy. They had to be watching him. Didn't they? London isn't a 3 rd world city yet is it? Alas, in parts it is, but that's a different story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Maybe they were actually watching the Chavez Venezuelan embassy, so he tricked them by sneaking off to the Ecuadorian one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koheesti Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 I always thought that the British Police force was the best in the world but has anyone wondered how Julian skipped through the checkpoints to get to the Ecuadorian embassy in the first place? What checkpoints? It's a dam_n apartment in a residential block! Not Ft Knox. I meant from where he used to live to the Ecuadorian embassy. They had to be watching him. Didn't they? London isn't a 3 rd world city yet is it? Maybe they just don't take this as seriously as we do here on TV! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckd Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 " Again, he went to this specific embassy for a reason, he's no dummy, we all agree on that. This could get interesting one day." Who is "we"? You got a mouse in your pocket? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
necronx99 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 " Again, he went to this specific embassy for a reason, he's no dummy, we all agree on that. This could get interesting one day." Who is "we"? You got a mouse in your pocket? I don't think so, he's just happy to see you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meand Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 " Again, he went to this specific embassy for a reason, he's no dummy, we all agree on that. This could get interesting one day." Who is "we"? You got a mouse in your pocket? Cmon, how can we all not agree with a guy that doesn't like condoms, and gives women the "worst sex they've ever had". That is describing the entire foreign population here to a tee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 I know it's difficult to wait for something to happen with the Assange case, but let's try to stay on topic until it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maidu Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 If Ecuadorian staff wanted to escort him to airport, he justs gets in their car and they drive. Diplomatic immunity covers the embassy's vehicle. Similarly, diplomats can park badly in the host country, as long the vehicle has diplomatic tags, there are no repercussions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 (edited) This criminal can not go anywhere in a vehicle without being arrested. A vehicle cannot be considered as having any sort of diplomatic protection and is not considered Ecuadorian land as is the Embassy. The vehicle operates under the laws of the England and doesn't have diplomatic immunity...only some of the occupants. Edited June 29, 2012 by Ulysses G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
necronx99 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 If Ecuadorian staff wanted to escort him to airport, he justs gets in their car and they drive. Diplomatic immunity covers the embassy's vehicle. Similarly, diplomats can park badly in the host country, as long the vehicle has diplomatic tags, there are no repercussions. But at some point he has to get out of the car. The airport is not Equador, being escorted does not give him immunity. They could go on the train or a ferry to France... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckd Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 If Ecuadorian staff wanted to escort him to airport, he justs gets in their car and they drive. Diplomatic immunity covers the embassy's vehicle. Similarly, diplomats can park badly in the host country, as long the vehicle has diplomatic tags, there are no repercussions. But at some point he has to get out of the car. The airport is not Equador, being escorted does not give him immunity. They could go on the train or a ferry to France... I still think the tunnel under the M-4 is his answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckd Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 If Ecuadorian staff wanted to escort him to airport, he justs gets in their car and they drive. Diplomatic immunity covers the embassy's vehicle. Similarly, diplomats can park badly in the host country, as long the vehicle has diplomatic tags, there are no repercussions. From the link below: 2.5 Immunity applies to people and not vehicles. It can be withdrawn by the FCO at any time. It can also be waived by the State concerned. For this reason diplomats are careful not to come to notice of the police as the UK is considered one of the world's best postings. http://www.devon-cor...licies/D033.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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