Thai Police Hunt For Portuguese Men In Phi-Phi Island Hotel Death Case

[jaideecm]

Yes he did and it was heavy compared to today's laptops, battery didn't last long either. He was a journalist and wrote stories on it.

Richard now has a Vietnamese wife and lives there. He will never return to Thailand.

I never questioned your event until your last and most recent comment. To clarify, you are saying because 1 person (a foreigner) in a country of 60-million did something very bad to him 20-years ago that he will never return here? If so, I hope I never read one of his articles because he doesn't sound like a very objective or reasonable person.

That is his choice. Some guy drugged him, shot him up with heroin to make it look like a drug overdose, spent 3 day in acoma and another 10 days to recover, it almost killed him. I don't think I would have fond memories of Thailand either.

[Nisa]

Yes he did and it was heavy compared to today's laptops, battery didn't last long either. He was a journalist and wrote stories on it.

Richard now has a Vietnamese wife and lives there. He will never return to Thailand.

I never questioned your event until your last and most recent comment. To clarify, you are saying because 1 person (a foreigner) in a country of 60-million did something very bad to him 20-years ago that he will never return here? If so, I hope I never read one of his articles because he doesn't sound like a very objective or reasonable person.

That is his choice. Some guy drugged him, shot him up with heroin to make it look like a drug overdose, spent 3 day in acoma and another 10 days to recover, it almost killed him. I don't think I would have fond memories of Thailand either.

Fair enough ... wonder why he shot him up with heroin though since it would be obvious to all he was robbed. No response needed just thinking out loud and no explaining how desperate people think or reason.

Edit: But am curious, do you recall if they were ever able to tell what he was given in the yogurt?

Edited June 22, 2012 by Nisa

[TonyGilbert]

All I'm saying is every report I've read has mentioned Ibuprofen and it's risks, which is hardly cause for suspiscion but may imply risk taking.

[ttelise]

All I'm saying is every report I've read has mentioned Ibuprofen and it's risks, which is hardly cause for suspiscion but may imply risk taking.

Yep. All about perception. Even some readers on here early on that it had Meth in it. They mention for a reason . . . If truly being tight lipped about investigation, they would not mention anything about possible causes. They would just say causes are being investigated and pending autopsy.

[webfact]

Men seen escorting sisters 'not suspects'

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Police said yesterday that the two Portuguese men seen on closedcircuit camera escorting Canadian sisters Noemi and Audrey Belanger back to their hotel room prior to their death on June 15 were not suspects because the case was not considered a homicide.

Police inspected the clip after initial investigation of the sisters' hotel room turned up a note left by Luciano Tinnto, 30, saying that he was sorry about what had happened that night as it was unintentional.

Muang Krabi deputy superintendent Pol LtColonel Jongrak Pimthong said police wanted to speak to the two men. Tinnto and his friend stayed in room 204 at the time and Tinnto had flown out of Phi Phi Island on June 15 and returned to Portugal via Phuket on June 17, Jongrak said.

-- The Nation 2012-06-23

[canuckamuck]

Not a suspect, but got out of Dodge on the first stagecoach.

I am quite sure the Portuguese men and The Scottish lass, know exactly what happened to the Canadian girls.

[elektrified]

Tramadol not going to cause any worries when combined with alcohol.

Are you sure about that??? Tramadol is a synthetic opiate is it not?

[maidu]

As for the date rape drugs? has anyone said they were raped yet.?.

As far as I've heard, no one says they've been raped. However, it could have been one or a combination of date-rape drugs (alcohol is a date-rape drug, btw) - that was overdosed. Whether or not there was an actual rape is not material to that theory.

[dingdang]

this clears up some things...

- the bodies arrived in canada

- and they were "enbalmbed" in thailand before shipped

The embalming process can create some problems, Jodoin admits. Primarily, embalming consists of disinfecting the body and injecting it with a fluid to keep organs preserved.

- for this reason the canadians requested the thais to take samples.

why the canadians do an own autopsy

We don’t know how they proceeded in Thailand but, one thing is certain, it’s not the first time that a second autopsy is performed in Quebec,” said Charles Jodoin, a forensic expert. “If they’re taking the time to do it, it’s because they’ve been able to get meaningful results in the past.”

[dingdang]

Luciano Tinto, 30, left the island in Krabi province on June 15 and then flew home from Phuket at 3pm last Sunday, police said.

its from bangkok post, so possibly "inaccurate".

this would mean, the tourist left phi phi on FRIDAY, the day they were found.... pretty late, if he would have to do anything with it...

The deaths were unlikely to be regarded as murders and the investigators only wanted to speak to Mr Tinto to learn what the two sisters had eaten and drank before they were found dead, police said

means, they still dont know where and what the ate?

Edited June 23, 2012 by dingdang

[Semper]

In my experience living here I have found farangs can be more dangerous than Thais. many Russian, Chinese and European Mafias are in Thailand to exploit tourists.

Indeed. I ran in to some very dangerous people when I was in Phuket 2 weeks ago. Pakistanis and Russian and Italian mobsters. I won't go into details but much more dangerous than anything I have ever experienced with Thai people over the last 22 years.

You must be quite the adventurer.

After living in Phuket for almost two years I haven't managed to do what you did in 2 weeks.

What the heck were you doing?

I am very curious about the details.

Maybe he left his room once in a while? Maybe you should try it.

[DP25]

Police inspected the clip after initial investigation of the sisters' hotel room turned up a note left by Luciano Tinnto, 30, saying that he was sorry about what had happened that night as it was unintentional.

This guy leaving an apology note in the sisters' room is an interesting development

[dingdang]

the police must have found this note (which sounds cryptic and interesting) already on friday... together with the CCTV it must have been clear, who left it...

then they had two days (48h) time to find him on phuket, as he obviously said, he would go for phuket - what he indeed did...

they could have informed the airport there...

in addition, the scottish girl stated, her friend had been interrogated already - the one who walked them home, which was the same who left the note...

nothing adds up, does it?

Edited June 23, 2012 by dingdang

[mrtoad]

Tramadol not going to cause any worries when combined with alcohol.

Are you sure about that??? Tramadol is a synthetic opiate is it not?

Certainly not a good mix

[elektrified]

Up to 10,000 visitors visit the island each day...

Is that a factual number? Wow things sure have changed since I visited the sleepy little island for a couple of days back in 1989!

[elektrified]

Police inspected the clip after initial investigation of the sisters' hotel room turned up a note left by Luciano Tinnto, 30, saying that he was sorry about what had happened that night as it was unintentional.

This guy leaving an apology note in the sisters' room is an interesting development

+1

[terry101]

Are the police sure the portuguese guys name is Tinto, I have a suspition his name might have been Tonto, if so, I think I might have found his accomplice...

Sorry, I just could not resist

Sorry nothing really funny about the tragic deaths of two young girls.

Are the police sure the portuguese, Portuguese guys, guy`s name is Tinto, I have a suspition suspician his name might may have been Tonto, if so, I think I might may have found his accomplice.

I would first learn to spell before you crack jokes at the expense of someone else`s suffering.

Sorry something really tragic about the spelling and grammar lesson in relation to the tragic deaths of two young girls.

It`s a display of ignorance.

Obviously these morons don`t have children of their own.

Tragedy can strike any of us or those nearest and dearest at anytime.

If something like this were to affect these idiots on a personal level, than I very much doubt that they would see a humorous side to it.

Actually I do have a child.

Nowhere in my post did I mention anything about the deaths of the two ladies, yes it is a real sad tragedy and would not wish anything like this on my worst enemy, but common the Thai police dont know what they are doing, so I'm just trying to lead them on the right track, the same as 99.99% of the other post I have read so far relating to this thread.

[canuckamuck]

Luciano Tinto, 30, left the island in Krabi province on June 15 and then flew home from Phuket at 3pm last Sunday, police said.

its from bangkok post, so possibly "inaccurate".

this would mean, the tourist left phi phi on FRIDAY, the day they were found.... pretty late, if he would have to do anything with it...

I think leaving on Friday means he left as soon as news spread about the bodies being discovered.

Or perhaps a visit from the BIB encouraged him to disappear for a while.

Either way it is suspicious behavior.

Edited June 23, 2012 by canuckamuck

[dingdang]

he was writing on this note, that he would leave for phuket - what he indeed did...

on sunday afternoon he travelled home from phuket by plane...

Edited June 23, 2012 by dingdang

[steven100]

Let me set the record straight for all the Thai Visa Jack Lord wannabe's .....

1. The 2 Portuguese men are being sort by police as they were the last to see the sisters.

2. They are not suspects at this stage and are being sort purely for questioning at this stage.

3. The Police commander knows these two men are Portuguese as one was staying at the same hotel as the sisters and they have a copy of his passport.

4. The Police commander has been privy to the CCTV footage for some time and chose only to release this information at this time as any evidence being sort may be compromised if released to the media prematurely.

5. The Police commander did say ' may have been accidently poisoned ' so as not to incriminate him or the investigation in case further evidence is forthcoming which provides more clues.

6. Yes , it is the Police commanders job to limit any bad publicity which may tarnish Thailand's tourism reputation and as such is treating this case with careful analysis and scepticism , much the same way any other country would do similar.

The information is being released on a need to know basis so as not to cause unnecessary or incorrect assumptions regarding the outcome.

I expect the truth will eventually come out once the autopsy results have been identified as well as the questioning of the two Portuguese man.

[dingdang]

but any request for questioning has not been forwarded to the countries police or interpol... but should have...?

because in this case, they would have awaited him at the arrival airport already, or picked him up, or put him on the interpol website...

if he was not trackable, then he would be on the interpol website already

if he was trackable, then the thai authorities would know for long, what his statement was regarding the sisters...

its strange, that they are "looking for him", without having informed any foreign authorities...?

Edited June 23, 2012 by dingdang

[meand]

"

Thai Police Hunt For Portuguese Men In Phi-Phi Island Hotel Death Case"

Translation: Thai officials stall for more time until the case can conveniently vanish

[cdnski12]

Carbon Monoxide Poisoning would produce some of those symptoms. I wonder if there was an incorrectly ventilated Pool Heater near thier Room?

[mommysboy]

Men seen escorting sisters 'not suspects'

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Police said yesterday that the two Portuguese men seen on closedcircuit camera escorting Canadian sisters Noemi and Audrey Belanger back to their hotel room prior to their death on June 15 were not suspects because the case was not considered a homicide.

Police inspected the clip after initial investigation of the sisters' hotel room turned up a note left by Luciano Tinnto, 30, saying that he was sorry about what had happened that night as it was unintentional.

Muang Krabi deputy superintendent Pol LtColonel Jongrak Pimthong said police wanted to speak to the two men. Tinnto and his friend stayed in room 204 at the time and Tinnto had flown out of Phi Phi Island on June 15 and returned to Portugal via Phuket on June 17, Jongrak said.

-- The Nation 2012-06-23

Eh! "sorry for what happened that night"

So Luciano, what happened that night?? because 2 people died terribly.

I guess that as the police let him go, they must know the cause of death, and hints offered so far suggest misadventure through a lethal cocktail of recreational drugs. But if wrong, and they've let a prime witness go on the back of surface evidence, then that is a monumental blunder of Keystone cop proportions.

Rather odd symptoms though? Is it really possible? Can anyone finally clarify as to whether alcohol, motrin and yaba say, could cause such gruesome deaths.

I'd still be inclined to think toxic poisoning such as warfarin, arsenic, or cyanide from the sewerage plant.

[EyesWideOpen]

I am a bit confused by this " hunting" concept. It would seem pretty straightforward to contact the Thai consulate in Portugal, who would then contact the local police to simply bring this guy in for some questions.. He may have watched some of the " Banged up abroad " episodes and decided an interrogation by the Thai police on a high profile case where they are looking for a fall guy was not a good idea. Easy enough to be questioned in the safety of his own country.

[ttelise]

Police inspected the clip after initial investigation of the sisters' hotel room turned up a note left by Luciano Tinnto, 30, saying that he was sorry about what had happened that night as it was unintentional.

This guy leaving an apology note in the sisters' room is an interesting development

+1

Is the note written in Thai . . . Seriously, how did they miss the note. Then the room is cleaned and disinfected. Probably some one else is moved into the room. Then week later, the note appears. Or am I wrong and they had the note all along. If they did, then why and the heck were the opining food poisoning at one point.

[mommysboy]

All I'm saying is every report I've read has mentioned Ibuprofen and it's risks, which is hardly cause for suspiscion but may imply risk taking.

But even if they are risk takers, what combination of substances available to them could possibly cause such terrible sym ptoms?.

So we are still left with the notion of some form of extreme poisoning.

[ttelise]

Tramadol not going to cause any worries when combined with alcohol.

Are you sure about that??? Tramadol is a synthetic opiate is it not?

Trust me, very sure about all opiate prescription pain medications. Not an opiate, but does have an affinity for mu receptor. Hesitant to say this the way some pick up on things and run with it, but Tramadol does have a slight selective seratonin reuptake inhibtor. Nothing nearly as powerful as the true SSRI anti depressants and the actions is a bit different. The SSRI properties combined with the mu receptor affinity can make trammies cause particularly nasty withdrawals when taken in large doses for long periods of time.

The only problem Tramadol present is that it lowers the seizure threshold if you take way too much of it. I know a doctor who was addicted to this stuff taking like 40 to 50 day. I have taken Ultram/Tramadol many times and drank like a fish on them. Drinking on opiates is also no big deal either. The only real devastating combination I know of it taking benzos with methadone. This can slow the respiratory rate down sufficient to cause death if not careful.

Edited June 23, 2012 by ttelise

[ttelise]

Tramadol not going to cause any worries when combined with alcohol.

Are you sure about that??? Tramadol is a synthetic opiate is it not?

Certainly not a good mix

Why? Who says? I took these things daily for a couple of years due to orthopedic injuries and a torn menescus. Trying to avoid surgery so I could continue competition big wave surfing and wakboarding. Then, smack. I cracked my trochanter and went it to have everything fixed. In addition to myself, I also know lots of people taking these things like candy at one time or another as doctors would hand them out like candy up until maybe 5 years ago. I personally know a doctor who used to write himself scripts for this since it was not Scheduled and he was taking 40 to 50 a day. Drinking on trammies poses no threat. If it did myself and many others I know would be toast.

[atyclb]

Police are now waiting for the report from the autopsies, which should be available on Tuesday week. Colonel Jamroon said today that food poisoning or some other kind of poisoning was the likely cause of death.

Now we know how Jamroon made Colonel...what great intellect and powers of deduction shown...cant get one over on him...

It really is pathetic when the need to bash outweighs the need to prevent somebody from embarrassing themselves.

Perhaps he wasn't "bashing" but making a joke, since the promotion of rank was likely purchased and not based upon ability.