Interesting News From France....

[Jingthing]

Never heard of him. He was born in 1868 and died in 1935. His life had no effect on me at all, nor I suspect, on the vast majority of gay folks in the UK. My heroes are Sir John Wolfenden, Leo Abse and, ironically enough, David Maxwell Fyfe. Those three really did change my life.

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Funny that. I see a connection between Magnus Hirschfeld and your UK centric list. I can't imagine not seeing a connection but I guess different people have different kinds of imaginations. People born thousands of years ago had a DIRECT IMPACT on your life. Trust me on that.

Like him:

http://www.assemblyw...e-condensed.pdf

BTW, I got curious about this Dill Pickle Club. What a joint it was!

http://en.wikipedia....ill_Pickle_Club

Edited July 7, 2012 by Jingthing

[endure]

Never heard of him. He was born in 1868 and died in 1935. His life had no effect on me at all, nor I suspect, on the vast majority of gay folks in the UK. My heroes are Sir John Wolfenden, Leo Abse and, ironically enough, David Maxwell Fyfe. Those three really did change my life.

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Funny that. I see a connection between Magnus Hirschfeld and your UK centric list. I can't imagine not seeing a connection but I guess different people have different kinds of imaginations. People born thousands of years ago had a DIRECT IMPACT on your life. Trust me on that.

Like him:

http://www.assemblyw...e-condensed.pdf

You googled Leo Abse and discovered that he was Welsh? I knew that already. As I said he had a direct and profound effect on my life.

I'd love to hear the connection between a Jewish man who wrote a book about homosexuality and the homophobic 1st Earl of Kilmuir.

[Jingthing]

Never heard of him. He was born in 1868 and died in 1935. His life had no effect on me at all, nor I suspect, on the vast majority of gay folks in the UK. My heroes are Sir John Wolfenden, Leo Abse and, ironically enough, David Maxwell Fyfe. Those three really did change my life.

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Funny that. I see a connection between Magnus Hirschfeld and your UK centric list. I can't imagine not seeing a connection but I guess different people have different kinds of imaginations. People born thousands of years ago had a DIRECT IMPACT on your life. Trust me on that.

Like him:

http://www.assemblyw...e-condensed.pdf

You googled Leo Abse and discovered that he was Welsh? I knew that already. As I said he had a direct and profound effect on my life.

I'd love to hear the connection between a Jewish man who wrote a book about homosexuality and the homophobic 1st Earl of Kilmuir.

I think we're done here if you think the sum total of Hirschfeld's importance was that he was a Jewish man who wrote a book about homosexuality. I don't think you're really interested in the general topic of gay activists in history. You're just looking for a busted moment for sporting "gotcha" purposes. Edited July 7, 2012 by Jingthing

[endure]

Never heard of him. He was born in 1868 and died in 1935. His life had no effect on me at all, nor I suspect, on the vast majority of gay folks in the UK. My heroes are Sir John Wolfenden, Leo Abse and, ironically enough, David Maxwell Fyfe. Those three really did change my life.

...

Funny that. I see a connection between Magnus Hirschfeld and your UK centric list. I can't imagine not seeing a connection but I guess different people have different kinds of imaginations. People born thousands of years ago had a DIRECT IMPACT on your life. Trust me on that.

Like him:

Apparently that's a picture of 'twotermobama.gif' What does that have to do with what we're talking about? Are you not able to put US politics down and talk about other things?

[Jingthing]

It is Emperor Constantine.

[endure]

Never heard of him. He was born in 1868 and died in 1935. His life had no effect on me at all, nor I suspect, on the vast majority of gay folks in the UK. My heroes are Sir John Wolfenden, Leo Abse and, ironically enough, David Maxwell Fyfe. Those three really did change my life.

...

Funny that. I see a connection between Magnus Hirschfeld and your UK centric list. I can't imagine not seeing a connection but I guess different people have different kinds of imaginations. People born thousands of years ago had a DIRECT IMPACT on your life. Trust me on that.

Like him:

http://www.assemblyw...e-condensed.pdf

You googled Leo Abse and discovered that he was Welsh? I knew that already. As I said he had a direct and profound effect on my life.

I'd love to hear the connection between a Jewish man who wrote a book about homosexuality and the homophobic 1st Earl of Kilmuir.

I think we're done here if you think the sum total of Hirschfeld's importance was that he was a Jewish man who wrote a book about homosexuality. I don't think you're really interested in the general topic of gay activists in history. You're just looking for a busted moment for sporting "gotcha" purposes.

I don't think you're really interested in people who made a REAL difference to gay folks lives if they don't fit into your particular political view of the world.

[Jingthing]

I don't think you're really interested in people who made a REAL difference to gay folks lives if they don't fit into your particular political view of the world.

Actually I am. But think what you like. I just can't abide gay people not being grateful to our civil rights pioneers, and no, they aren't all gay.

If you like, please tell us the connection of anti-gay David Maxwell Fyfe to gay civil rights in your life.

Of course Wolfenden is very famous and I'm quite familiar with his role.

Edited July 7, 2012 by Jingthing

[endure]

It is Emperor Constantine.

The name of the attachment that you posted is: "attachment=168050:twotermobama.gif" as can be seen if you hover your mouse over the picture.

Edited July 7, 2012 by endure

[Jingthing]

It is Emperor Constantine.

The name of the attachment that you posted is: "attachment=168050:twotermobama.gif" as can be seen if you hover your mouse over the picture.

Who cares what the filename is? How nerdy. It's a picture of Emperor Constantine.

[endure]

I don't think you're really interested in people who made a REAL difference to gay folks lives if they don't fit into your particular political view of the world.

Actually I am. But think what you like. I just can't abide gay people not being grateful to our civil rights pioneers, and no, they aren't all gay.

If you like, please tell us the connection of anti-gay David Maxwell Fyfe to gay civil rights in your life.

Of course Wolfenden is very famous and I'm quite familiar with his role.

David Maxwell Fyfe was the Home Secretary who set up the the committee that wrote the Wolfenden Report. He later went on to oppose the implementation of the Wolfenden Report which he had originally set up. 'I am not going down in history as the man who made sodomy legal' Too late buster. That's why he's my hero. I love a bit of irony

[Suradit69]

I do agree with you about the board being dominated by US affairs, but I imagine that has a lot to do with the nationality of the more prolific posters.

"Prolific" is a polite term, but egocentric provincialism, rather than nationality, is the issue.

[catmac]

I don't think you're really interested in people who made a REAL difference to gay folks lives if they don't fit into your particular political view of the world.

Actually I am. But think what you like. I just can't abide gay people not being grateful to our civil rights pioneers, and no, they aren't all gay.

If you like, please tell us the connection of anti-gay David Maxwell Fyfe to gay civil rights in your life.

Of course Wolfenden is very famous and I'm quite familiar with his role.

David Maxwell Fyfe was the Home Secretary who set up the the committee that wrote the Wolfenden Report. He later went on to oppose the implementation of the Wolfenden Report which he had originally set up. 'I am not going down in history as the man who made sodomy legal' Too late buster. That's why he's my hero. I love a bit of irony

I think, Endure, that Fyfe had a bigger hand in all this. As Home Secretary, and as a virilent homophobe, he instigated a regime of police persecution against anyone suspected of being gay. Unfortunately for him, such was the public outcry of anger - memories of similar persecutions in Nazi Germany were still fresh in people's minds - that he was forced to set up the Wolenden Committee.

I was honoured to meet later in life several of those brave souls who gave evidence to Wolfenden, knowing that if the Report was unfavourable to them, they faced certain persecution and ruin by Fyfe. Not one of them was a screaming, in-your-face "activist" I'm afraid to say, just ordinary people.

[Jingthing]

I don't think you're really interested in people who made a REAL difference to gay folks lives if they don't fit into your particular political view of the world.

Actually I am. But think what you like. I just can't abide gay people not being grateful to our civil rights pioneers, and no, they aren't all gay.

If you like, please tell us the connection of anti-gay David Maxwell Fyfe to gay civil rights in your life.

Of course Wolfenden is very famous and I'm quite familiar with his role.

David Maxwell Fyfe was the Home Secretary who set up the the committee that wrote the Wolfenden Report. He later went on to oppose the implementation of the Wolfenden Report which he had originally set up. 'I am not going down in history as the man who made sodomy legal' Too late buster. That's why he's my hero. I love a bit of irony

I think, Endure, that Fyfe had a bigger hand in all this. As Home Secretary, and as a virilent homophobe, he instigated a regime of police persecution against anyone suspected of being gay. Unfortunately for him, such was the public outcry of anger - memories of similar persecutions in Nazi Germany were still fresh in people's minds - that he was forced to set up the Wolenden Committee.

I was honoured to meet later in life several of those brave souls who gave evidence to Wolfenden, knowing that if the Report was unfavourable to them, they faced certain persecution and ruin by Fyfe. Not one of them was a screaming, in-your-face "activist" I'm afraid to say, just ordinary people.

This ugly, self hating, disrespect gay activists meme strikes again. Being a gay activist being associated with screaming/in your face. That is simply not the case in real life and it smells to me like internalized homophobia along the lines of the gay activists equals men in dresses smears that we have seen here. Those people were indeed very brave and in my view by testifying in a climate where homosexuality was harshly criminalized they were indeed gay activists (whether they thought of themselves that way or not). They came forward and agreed to participate in that historic commission. Sorry, that is ACTIVISM of the highest order. Most everyday people would sensibly shy away from that and sit home. Also, you do NOT need to be gay to be a gay activist. Edited July 8, 2012 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

I do agree with you about the board being dominated by US affairs, but I imagine that has a lot to do with the nationality of the more prolific posters.

"Prolific" is a polite term, but egocentric provincialism, rather than nationality, is the issue.

Yes whoever it is that objects to international topics being posted and discussed on the gay forum here should be whipped with a wet noodle! Personally, as I said here already, not only do I welcome international topics and see the relevance of them and their history, but I have started many of those threads myself. Prolifically, or whatever ....

[isanbirder]

Surprising that I had to kick-start this thread into activity.....

Vive la France!

[Scott]

I notice the claws are out on this particular thread.

No scratching please.

[endure]

I don't think you're really interested in people who made a REAL difference to gay folks lives if they don't fit into your particular political view of the world.

Actually I am. But think what you like. I just can't abide gay people not being grateful to our civil rights pioneers, and no, they aren't all gay.

If you like, please tell us the connection of anti-gay David Maxwell Fyfe to gay civil rights in your life.

Of course Wolfenden is very famous and I'm quite familiar with his role.

David Maxwell Fyfe was the Home Secretary who set up the the committee that wrote the Wolfenden Report. He later went on to oppose the implementation of the Wolfenden Report which he had originally set up. 'I am not going down in history as the man who made sodomy legal' Too late buster. That's why he's my hero. I love a bit of irony

I think, Endure, that Fyfe had a bigger hand in all this. As Home Secretary, and as a virilent homophobe, he instigated a regime of police persecution against anyone suspected of being gay. Unfortunately for him, such was the public outcry of anger - memories of similar persecutions in Nazi Germany were still fresh in people's minds - that he was forced to set up the Wolenden Committee.

I was honoured to meet later in life several of those brave souls who gave evidence to Wolfenden, knowing that if the Report was unfavourable to them, they faced certain persecution and ruin by Fyfe. Not one of them was a screaming, in-your-face "activist" I'm afraid to say, just ordinary people.

I gave the abridged version as it was getting a bit late.

[endure]

The BBC made a drama about the Wolfenden Report called 'Consenting Adults' with Charles Dance in 2007. It's probably available in all the usual places. Worth watching.

[tombkk]

OK, I was about to delete posts that were off-topic but realised that would be the majority of the posts in this thread. This topic is about France, not USA, Magnus Hirschfeld or Roman Emperors. Something extreme positive has happened in France, let's concentrate on that.