Mitt Romney Chooses Paul Ryan As Election Running Mate

[BuckarooBanzai]

Does any one else find this of concern.

Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI), Mitt Romney's vice-presidential pick, is a virulent denier of climate science, with a voting record to match.

A favorite of the Koch brothers, Ryan has accused scientists of engaging in conspiracy to "intentionally mislead the public on the issue of climate change." He has implied that snow invalidates global warming.

Ryan has voted to prevent the Environmental Protection Agency from limiting greenhouse pollution, to eliminate White House climate advisers, to block the U.S. Department of Agriculture from preparing for climate disasters like the drought devastating his home state, and to eliminate the Department of Energy Advanced Research Projects Agency (ARPA-E).

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/al-gore/paul-ryan-climate-change_b_1774436.html?utm_hp_ref=homepage

[geriatrickid]

To get the tone of the current campaigns, you have to examine the tact of either side.

The Romney/Ryan ticket are focusing on reforms in health care, reducing taxes across the board through reforming the tax code and reducing government spending. This is their platform and what is being conveyed in the media. Basically a positive campaign.

The Obama/Biden campaign strategy is all negative with every TV advertisement focused on slamming Romney or Ryan for everything from their personal tax returns to how the whole time is still Bush's fault. Pathetic.

A very accurate analysis.

And the question ou won't address is whether or not the Democrat campaign position is a valid point. How can one trust Romney and Ryan when they are not forthcoming on the very issue that they say is paramount?

[geriatrickid]

I don't know about some of you, but this thread is a bit painful. I believe that Romney, Obama, Biden and Ryan are decent guys. The GOP candidates this election are certainly stronger than last election and Ryan is a superior candidate to Sarah Palin. All candidates are intelligent.

Unfortunately, the election campaign is centered on an issue in which there is more agreement than disagreement, but no one wants to admit to it. Everyone knows there is a deficit and spending problem. No one wants to address the real issues for fear of alienating the electorate. The GOP will never touch its sacred cow of defence spending, the largest budget item or fair taxation. Ryan knows that billions upon billions are wasted on defense spending. Obama knows that some social spending programs have to be reduced, but is restrained for fear of alienating the poor and elderly who would rise up if the programs were adjusted. And then there are taxes. Any rational fiscal conservative knows the tax revenues are insufficient. The Republicans are in denial and the Democrats are afraid to say that US citizens will have to pay more taxes. The biggest taboo are fuel taxes, which are inadequate.

Maybe what is needed is an independent non partisan group that would have the mandate to do the budget. Congress would appoint the group in a quasi receivership move. The House would still retain the power to approve taxation and spending but would follow the receiver group instructions. It works for failing businesses, why not for a failing government?

[Scott]

Off topic posts and replies have been removed. Once again, this topic is about Romney's choice for VP and not about Obama.

Apparently some posters didn't read or understand it.

More off-topic posts have been deleted.

[Neurath]

The major difference between the two groups is that one, OWS, is demonstrating to point out conceived inequalities in a system and the other group is trying to take over the government.

Actually the main difference between the two groups is that Occupy Wall Street have been involved in illegal acts on a regular basis and the Tea Party have followed the law scrupulously. Of course, media coverage has been totally biased against the conservative group and supportive of the out of control left-wing anarchism.

In the media's coverage of the Wall Street occupiers and Tea Partiers, a clear tale of two different protests is seen. One that grew out of concern for out-of-control government spending was initially ignored and treated to catcalls of racism and thuggery by ABC, CBS and NBC. The other, a leftist movement screaming for an even more expansive government, that actually resulted in hundreds of arrests, was greeted by the Big Three networks with a tidal wave of coverage full of friendly talking heads.

http://www.mrc.org/media-reality-check/tale-two-protests-media-cheer-wall-street-occupiers-jeered-tea-partiers

The implication of course being that Paul Ryan, being a sweetheart of and sweet with the Tea Party, is on the side of law and order and against left-wing anarchism. Well, that may be so, but Congressman Ryan is also a member of the Catholic Church which can hardly be said to have followed the law scrupulously when it comes to sexual relations with children. I suppose, it would rightly be said that that a few bad apples don't spoil the barrel.

[Jingthing]

Does any one else find this of concern.

Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI), Mitt Romney's vice-presidential pick, is a virulent denier of climate science, with a voting record to match.

A favorite of the Koch brothers, Ryan has accused scientists of engaging in conspiracy to "intentionally mislead the public on the issue of climate change." He has implied that snow invalidates global warming.

Ryan has voted to prevent the Environmental Protection Agency from limiting greenhouse pollution, to eliminate White House climate advisers, to block the U.S. Department of Agriculture from preparing for climate disasters like the drought devastating his home state, and to eliminate the Department of Energy Advanced Research Projects Agency (ARPA-E).

http://www.huffingto...hp_ref=homepage

Of course it is of concern! This Ryan character while he may be a decent family man spouts political positions of the far right wing on every issue you can mention. For example, he is even against the right of a woman to get a legal abortion in the event of rape. I would like to see Obama campaign drill that point home. Sadly, the American public has been brainwashed by climate DENIALISTS so there is little political gain to be had by painting the truth about the Ryan-Romney ticket on climate/environmental issues. This is a very serious CHOICE election now. Not a typical and expected referendum on the incumbent's performance.

[Steely Dan]

Does any one else find this of concern.

Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI), Mitt Romney's vice-presidential pick, is a virulent denier of climate science, with a voting record to match.

A favorite of the Koch brothers, Ryan has accused scientists of engaging in conspiracy to "intentionally mislead the public on the issue of climate change." He has implied that snow invalidates global warming.

Ryan has voted to prevent the Environmental Protection Agency from limiting greenhouse pollution, to eliminate White House climate advisers, to block the U.S. Department of Agriculture from preparing for climate disasters like the drought devastating his home state, and to eliminate the Department of Energy Advanced Research Projects Agency (ARPA-E).

http://www.huffingto...hp_ref=homepage

Of course it is of concern! This Ryan character while he may be a decent family man spouts political positions of the far right wing on every issue you can mention. For example, he is even against the right of a woman to get a legal abortion in the event of rape. I would like to see Obama campaign drill that point home. Sadly, the American public has been brainwashed by climate DENIALISTS so there is little political gain to be had by painting the truth about the Ryan-Romney ticket on climate/environmental issues. This is a very serious CHOICE election now. Not a typical and expected referendum on the incumbent's performance.

There is big money to be made in climate change pseudo-science and a McCarthyesque zeal to silence or discredit any dissenting voices. Another plus point for Ryan in my opinion.

[chuckd]

I wonder what the uproar would be if Ryan was suddenly caught up in something like this?

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Biden’s ‘good friend,’ donor receives $20M federal loan to open foreign luxury car dealership in Ukraine

Published: 12:05 AM 08/17/2012

By Christopher Bedford

John Hynansky, CEO and owner of Winner Automotive Group (Photo: Winner's Circle blog)

In late July, John Hynansky — a longtime friend of Vice President Joe Biden, and a major donor to Biden’s campaigns as well as President Barack Obama’s — was awarded a $20 million taxpayer loan to build a foreign-car dealership in Ukraine.

According to a public summary document, the loan, from the federal government’s Overseas Private Investment Corporation, is for “p to $20.0 million,” and is designed to “expand Winner Import Ukraine’s automobile business, [and] construct and operate ‘Winner Autocity,’ which will have two new, state-of-the-art dealership facilities for Porsche and Land Rover/Jaguar automobiles.”

...from the article...

Since at least 1999, Hynansky and his family have been regular donors to Biden’s campaigns, and, later, Obama’s. John Hynansky has donated $7,690 to a combination of Biden’s Senate campaigns and failed presidential campaign; Michael Hynansky donated $7,690; Alexandra Hynansky donated $7,280; Deanne Hynansky donated $4,645; and Susan Hynansky donated $1,000 — coming to a total family donation of $28,715.

During Obama’s 2008 run for president, John Hynansky gave $30,800 to the Obama Victory Fund; Alexandra Hynansky gave $2,550; and Deanne Hynansky gave $2,000 — totaling $35,350 to that campaign.

Read more: http://dailycaller.c...m-federal-loan/

[Jingthing]

There is big money to be made in climate change pseudo-science and a McCarthyesque zeal to silence or discredit any dissenting voices. Another plus point for Ryan in my opinion.

Yes, the American right wing is notoriously hostile to all kinds of science.

[BuckarooBanzai]

Does any one else find this of concern.

Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI), Mitt Romney's vice-presidential pick, is a virulent denier of climate science, with a voting record to match.

A favorite of the Koch brothers, Ryan has accused scientists of engaging in conspiracy to "intentionally mislead the public on the issue of climate change." He has implied that snow invalidates global warming.

Ryan has voted to prevent the Environmental Protection Agency from limiting greenhouse pollution, to eliminate White House climate advisers, to block the U.S. Department of Agriculture from preparing for climate disasters like the drought devastating his home state, and to eliminate the Department of Energy Advanced Research Projects Agency (ARPA-E).

http://www.huffingto...hp_ref=homepage

Of course it is of concern! This Ryan character while he may be a decent family man spouts political positions of the far right wing on every issue you can mention. For example, he is even against the right of a woman to get a legal abortion in the event of rape. I would like to see Obama campaign drill that point home. Sadly, the American public has been brainwashed by climate DENIALISTS so there is little political gain to be had by painting the truth about the Ryan-Romney ticket on climate/environmental issues. This is a very serious CHOICE election now. Not a typical and expected referendum on the incumbent's performance.

There is big money to be made in climate change pseudo-science and a McCarthyesque zeal to silence or discredit any dissenting voices. Another plus point for Ryan in my opinion.

Your opinion with others who share your view are the reason most documentaries on renewable energy are made in other countries. Simply put, the oil industry in the US will not permit their security to be compromised.

Brazil, which I always considered a 3rd world country, is decades ahead of the US in its technology and the distribution of that technology regarding renewable resources.

Any one who claims that the retreat of the worlds glaciers and loss of the polar ice sheets is orchestrated misinformation seriously needs the help of a good shrink. The technical term is denial.

All this talk of good money to be made with proposing that Global Weather Change is actually taking place leads nowhere except the furtherance of the loss of credibility the rest of the world holds for the US. The years go buy and the data accumulates and some shortsighted individuals still cannot see the forest for the trees.

By the way, most regard McCarthy in very low regard. I am sure Ryan would appreciate you putting him in the same class as a politician.

[Jingthing]

Any non-Americans reading this, does it surprise you that Americans are probably more politically divided than even Thais?

[Neurath]

Any non-Americans reading this, does it surprise you that Americans are probably more politically divided than even Thais?

One Nation,

divided

Off its meds

[Jingthing]

BTW, Ryan's plan which Romney just selected actually WOULD gut Medicare.

Cynically, the plan lets people 55 up be grandfathered.

But what's the ultimate plan? A vouchers system and a massive increase in out of pocket cost for future medicare users.

Maybe OK for the minority that can afford it but not OK for the masses.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/eugene-robinson-the-real-medicare-question/2012/08/16/7cc8038a-e7b7-11e1-936a-b801f1abab19_story.html

The claim is part of an attempt to shore up a vulnerability Romney created by choosing Paul Ryan as his running mate. The budget that Ryan authored, and persuaded House Republicans to pass, would eventually change Medicare into a voucher program: Seniors would be given a certain amount of money each year to buy health insurance.

If that amount isn’t enough to pay for the kind of coverage you want or need — under Ryan’s latest plan, you could buy a policy from a private insurer or buy Medicare from the government — you pay the difference out of pocket. According to the Congressional Budget Office, the average Medicare recipient would pay an extra $6,500 a year.

[BuckarooBanzai]

Any non-Americans reading this, does it surprise you that Americans are probably more politically divided than even Thais?

One Nation,

divided

Off its meds

Pew Research Center for the People and the Press

Released: June 4, 2012

Partisan Polarization Surges in Bush, Obama Years

Trends in American Values: 1987-2012

Excerpt - Site has much more with graphs.:

Why the Gaps Have Grown

Responsibility for the growing divide between Republicans and Democrats cannot be attributed solely to a shift in the values of one or the other party.

In some realms, Republicans today clearly take a more conservative position, while Democratic values have remained relatively constant. This is most apparent when it comes to environmental protection. Republicans also have grown far less committed to the social safety net in their responses to questions about whether the government has a responsibility to care of those unable to care for themselves and provide basic food and shelter for the needy. And views of the role of labor unions have also become more polarized due mostly to shifting Republican views on unions as Democratic support has remained more stable.

But in other realms, the values of Democrats have shifted while Republicans have held steady. Most notably, there has been a decided secular trend among Democrats in recent years. From 1987 through the end of the 1990s Republicans and Democrats expressed roughly equal levels of religious commitment. But since then, Republican commitment has held steady, while a declining majority of Democrats hold traditional religious views. The trend away from religion has become substantial among liberal Democrats in particular.

Democratic support for equal opportunity -- the sense that the government should do more to ensure equal opportunity for blacks and minorities -- has also risen substantially in recent years. And similarly, Democrats have become increasingly favorable toward immigration and view the impact of immigrants on America more positively. In both of these realms, this shift is not only due to the Democratic Party's increasingly diverse demographics; even among white Democrats, support for equal rights and immigrants has grown.

Historically, views on government effectiveness have changed with administrations. When Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush were in office, Republican skepticism and concern about government was far less intense. And by the latter part of the most recent Bush presidency, Democratic concerns about government had increased.

But the Obama presidency has witnessed the most extreme partisan reaction to government in the past 25 years. Republicans are more negative toward government than at any previous point, while Democrats feel far more positively.

http://www.people-pr...merican-values/

One would be led to believe that this is a naturally occurring phenomena which magically happens - but much more likely the media and other hidden hands provide information that in many cases is slanted and/or inaccurate, and meant to promote a specific response.from a particular group of people.

Perhaps it is time for the tinfoil hats as now that Ryan has been selected the two parties will be doing a lot of name calling and fear promotion but presenting very little substance on which to base an honest appraisal. This will be the hidden hands at work. When one looks closely at all of their records they probably have more in common than not as smart people usually come up with somewhat similar solutions to the problems at hand. Cut spending, raise some taxes, cut out loopholes and compromise and in general focus on the problems we are faced with in this day and age.

With a congressional approval rating of less than 10% we have not been doing much of anything lately.

I hope the majority of people can wade through all the crap, identify the good ideas, and promote a system where we lock out the special interest groups. If we can not I would expect we have more doom and gloom to look forward to.

To reinvigorate an old saying Power to the People and Down with Special Interest. And for sure after the election is over lets work together as non-politically as possible to fix what is broken. Both sides have good ideas and both sides have bad ideas, the objective should be to get the good ideas passed. IMHO.

Edited August 17, 2012 by BuckarooBanzai

[Neurath]

BTW, Ryan's plan which Romney just selected actually WOULD gut Medicare.

Cynically, the plan lets people 55 up be grandfathered.

But what's the ultimate plan? A vouchers system and a massive increase in out of pocket cost for future medicare users.

Maybe OK for the minority that can afford it but not OK for the masses.

http://www.washingto...ab19_story.html

The claim is part of an attempt to shore up a vulnerability Romney created by choosing Paul Ryan as his running mate. The budget that Ryan authored, and persuaded House Republicans to pass, would eventually change Medicare into a voucher program: Seniors would be given a certain amount of money each year to buy health insurance.

If that amount isn’t enough to pay for the kind of coverage you want or need — under Ryan’s latest plan, you could buy a policy from a private insurer or buy Medicare from the government — you pay the difference out of pocket. According to the Congressional Budget Office, the average Medicare recipient would pay an extra $6,500 a year.

"Death Vouchers"?

[Ulysses G.]

BTW, Ryan's plan which Romney just selected actually WOULD gut Medicare.

Yet another biased opinion piece to support yet another biased opinon. Here is a different opinion on Ryan's plan.

Mr. Ryan says the arrival of the large freshman class of House Republicans accelerated the drive for Medicare reform. But it's Mr. Ryan, 42, who deserves the bulk of the credit. He's the top Republican thinker on domestic issues. And he has a keen political sense. He's been on a roll since he took apart ObamaCare in front of Mr. Obama at the White House health-care summit in 2010. Because of his tireless proselytizing, premium support has emerged as the most sensible way to reform Medicare. http://online.wsj.co...0263764234.html

Edited August 17, 2012 by Ulysses G.

[Jingthing]

BTW, Ryan's plan which Romney just selected actually WOULD gut Medicare.

Yet another biased opinion piece to support yet another biased opinon. Here is a different opinion on Ryan's plan.

Mr. Ryan says the arrival of the large freshman class of House Republicans accelerated the drive for Medicare reform. But it's Mr. Ryan, 42, who deserves the bulk of the credit. He's the top Republican thinker on domestic issues. And he has a keen political sense. He's been on a roll since he took apart ObamaCare in front of Mr. Obama at the White House health-care summit in 2010. Because of his tireless proselytizing, premium support has emerged as the most sensible way to reform Medicare. http://online.wsj.co...0263764234.html

If Romney-Ryan love this plan so much:

-- why do they leave out the over 55 people?

-- why do they NOT MENTION the increased costs for the under 55? Instead they attack Obama, RUNNING from the actual FACTS of their plan?

-- why do they NOT MENTION that they plan to KILL the drug benefit donut hole?

-- why do they avoid using the word VOUCHERS as much as possible in the campaign?

-- why are republicans on the front lines running for reelection running like mad to avoid being linked to the Romney-Ryan voucherization of Medicare?

Again, if this plan is so great, they are acting very funny. They are acting that if the American people knew all the facts about their plan that it will their chances at election. On that point, they are absolutely correct.

[Ulysses G.]

Maybe they should deprive Medicare of 700 billion instead? Oh, too late, that is already being done by the exact same folks that are attacking their plan and the American people are not to happy about those facts

[Neurath]

Insofar as facts matter, the plan on which VP Candidate Ryan is running will result in a redistribution of wealth to those with incomes greater than 200,000 and away from those with incomes less than 200,000.

Insofar as facts matter of course:

IMPLICATIONS OF GOVERNOR ROMNEY’S TAX PROPOSALS: FAQS AND RESPONSES

Samuel Brown, William Gale, and Adam Looney Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center August 16, 2012

http://www.taxpolicy...Romney-plan.pdf

[chuckd]

Pew Research Center for the People and the Press

Released: June 4, 2012

Partisan Polarization Surges in Bush, Obama Years

Trends in American Values: 1987-2012

Excerpt - Site has much more with graphs.:

Why the Gaps Have Grown

Responsibility for the growing divide between Republicans and Democrats cannot be attributed solely to a shift in the values of one or the other party.

In some realms, Republicans today clearly take a more conservative position, while Democratic values have remained relatively constant. This is most apparent when it comes to environmental protection. Republicans also have grown far less committed to the social safety net in their responses to questions about whether the government has a responsibility to care of those unable to care for themselves and provide basic food and shelter for the needy. And views of the role of labor unions have also become more polarized due mostly to shifting Republican views on unions as Democratic support has remained more stable.

But in other realms, the values of Democrats have shifted while Republicans have held steady. Most notably, there has been a decided secular trend among Democrats in recent years. From 1987 through the end of the 1990s Republicans and Democrats expressed roughly equal levels of religious commitment. But since then, Republican commitment has held steady, while a declining majority of Democrats hold traditional religious views. The trend away from religion has become substantial among liberal Democrats in particular.

Democratic support for equal opportunity -- the sense that the government should do more to ensure equal opportunity for blacks and minorities -- has also risen substantially in recent years. And similarly, Democrats have become increasingly favorable toward immigration and view the impact of immigrants on America more positively. In both of these realms, this shift is not only due to the Democratic Party's increasingly diverse demographics; even among white Democrats, support for equal rights and immigrants has grown.

Historically, views on government effectiveness have changed with administrations. When Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush were in office, Republican skepticism and concern about government was far less intense. And by the latter part of the most recent Bush presidency, Democratic concerns about government had increased.

But the Obama presidency has witnessed the most extreme partisan reaction to government in the past 25 years. Republicans are more negative toward government than at any previous point, while Democrats feel far more positively.

http://www.people-pr...merican-values/

One would be led to believe that this is a naturally occurring phenomena which magically happens - but much more likely the media and other hidden hands provide information that in many cases is slanted and/or inaccurate, and meant to promote a specific response.from a particular group of people.

Perhaps it is time for the tinfoil hats as now that Ryan has been selected the two parties will be doing a lot of name calling and fear promotion but presenting very little substance on which to base an honest appraisal. This will be the hidden hands at work. When one looks closely at all of their records they probably have more in common than not as smart people usually come up with somewhat similar solutions to the problems at hand. Cut spending, raise some taxes, cut out loopholes and compromise and in general focus on the problems we are faced with in this day and age.

With a congressional approval rating of less than 10% we have not been doing much of anything lately.

I hope the majority of people can wade through all the crap, identify the good ideas, and promote a system where we lock out the special interest groups. If we can not I would expect we have more doom and gloom to look forward to.

To reinvigorate an old saying Power to the People and Down with Special Interest. And for sure after the election is over lets work together as non-politically as possible to fix what is broken. Both sides have good ideas and both sides have bad ideas, the objective should be to get the good ideas passed. IMHO.

From your own link:

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"Perhaps the most dramatic shift in partisan values has occurred on general assessments of the government’s effectiveness and proper scope. Since 2007, Republicans increasingly feel that regulation does more harm than good, while Democrats increasingly disagree. Republicans see more waste and inefficiency, Democrats see less. And the share of Republicans who say the government is too involved in our daily lives has grown, while the number of Democrats who say this has decreased."

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Interestingly enough, 2007 coincides with the Democratic take over of both Houses of Congress and the elevation of Harry Reid to Senate Majority Leader and Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House. Two more divisive politicians would be hard to find.

Obama began his campaign shortly thereafter, closely following Julius Caesar's mantra, "Divide and Conquer.

Just my simple observation.

[BuckarooBanzai]

I did not make my post to present a biased opinion. There a quite a few things said on the site that are negative to Democrats as well as those negative to Republicans. Signs of a good source of information. I am an independent and simply against extremism and misinformation.

[lomatopo]

Given the Republican's focus on controlling key swing state's legislative, and to a lesser degree judicial, bodies with the resulting re-districting and voter-suppression laws, the 2012 Presidential election will be decided in just a few states: PA, OH, FL, VA, WI, CO, IA, and on the employment/economic figures in the weeks leading up to the election. In Ohio, the Republican Secretary of State actually had the stones to implement early extended voting hours for Republican-dominated districts, and restrict voting hours in Democrat-dominated districts. He probably would have gotten away with it, and may still yet, without national scrutiny.

I suspect Romney would win the election with Seamus, or Rafalca, as his running mate, barring some earth-shattering developments: Hillary Clinton as VP, greatly improved economic news, negative personal issues for Messrs Romney/Ryan.

http://elections.nyt...2/electoral-map

Edited August 18, 2012 by lomatopo

[steelepulse]

I wonder what the uproar would be if Ryan was suddenly caught up in something like this?

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Biden’s ‘good friend,’ donor receives $20M federal loan to open foreign luxury car dealership in Ukraine

Published: 12:05 AM 08/17/2012

By Christopher Bedford

John Hynansky, CEO and owner of Winner Automotive Group (Photo: Winner's Circle blog)

In late July, John Hynansky — a longtime friend of Vice President Joe Biden, and a major donor to Biden’s campaigns as well as President Barack Obama’s — was awarded a $20 million taxpayer loan to build a foreign-car dealership in Ukraine.

According to a public summary document, the loan, from the federal government’s Overseas Private Investment Corporation, is for “p to $20.0 million,” and is designed to “expand Winner Import Ukraine’s automobile business, [and] construct and operate ‘Winner Autocity,’ which will have two new, state-of-the-art dealership facilities for Porsche and Land Rover/Jaguar automobiles.”

...from the article...

Since at least 1999, Hynansky and his family have been regular donors to Biden’s campaigns, and, later, Obama’s. John Hynansky has donated $7,690 to a combination of Biden’s Senate campaigns and failed presidential campaign; Michael Hynansky donated $7,690; Alexandra Hynansky donated $7,280; Deanne Hynansky donated $4,645; and Susan Hynansky donated $1,000 — coming to a total family donation of $28,715.

During Obama’s 2008 run for president, John Hynansky gave $30,800 to the Obama Victory Fund; Alexandra Hynansky gave $2,550; and Deanne Hynansky gave $2,000 — totaling $35,350 to that campaign.

Read more: http://dailycaller.c...m-federal-loan/

That's a nice ROI. Contribute 35K, get back 20 mil. If only the gov't invested like this, they'd be out of debt in just a few years. Where does the Federal Government sign up to be friends with Biden and get the economy out of debt?

[koheesti]

Ryan has accused scientists of engaging in conspiracy to "intentionally mislead the public on the issue of climate change." He has implied that snow invalidates global warming.

Uh, that is an undeniable fact proved by the emails for the "scientists" at East Anglia. They openly admit in their emails to it.

[koheesti]

"Street smart and wiley" Joe Biden strikes again.

Yes. It serves to remind people of this;

On average, in the USA. middle income families, those making from $50,000 to $75,000 a year, pay 12.8 percent of their income in federal taxes, according to the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation. In 2010 and 2011, Mr. Romney made about $21 million a year. Mr. Romney has declared that he paid a federal tax rate of 13.9% in 2010.

Nice.

Remind us again of the difference between INCOME tax and CAPITAL GAINS tax?

If you do know the difference (and you are certainly smart enough to know), you just might be guilty of trying to mislead people.

Who was Romney's employer in 2010? Right, he didn't have one. He didn't pay INCOME tax, he paid CAPITAL GAINS tax which is a lower rate. Even Democrat icon JFK wanted low Capital Gains tax...

"The tax on capital gains directly affects investment decisions, the mobility and flow of risk capital... the ease or difficulty experienced by new ventures in obtaining capital, and thereby the strength and potential for growth in the economy."

John F. Kennedy

Here's the problem with your argument: One doesn't know the case with Mr. Romney on whether or not he has paid large capital gains taxes since he will not release his tax returns.

Incorrect. He released his 2010 returns and it backs what I stated..

[chuckd]

Here is an interesting article written by a staff member of the vaunted Washington Post. Reading it might accidentally open a few eyes:

____________________________________________________

Why The Paul Ryan Plan Might Be Right About Medicare

By ROBERT J. SAMUELSON

Overlooked in the furor surrounding Paul Ryan's Medicare proposal — a plan that wouldn't start until 2023 and even then would affect only new beneficiaries — is a just-published study in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) suggesting that, well, Ryan might be right. The study finds that a voucher-type system might noticeably reduce costs compared with traditional fee-for-service Medicare.

Three Harvard economists, including a prominent fan of the Obama health care overhaul, did the study.

The study compared the costs of traditional Medicare with Medicare Advantage, a voucherlike program that now enrolls about 25% of beneficiaries. Medicare Advantage has cost less for identical coverage. From 2006 to 2009, the gap averaged 11% between traditional Medicare and voucher plans that, under the proposal by Ryan, would serve as a price benchmark.

http://news.investor...osts.htm?p=full

[Ulysses G.]

Ryan has accused scientists of engaging in conspiracy to "intentionally mislead the public on the issue of climate change

Uh, that is an undeniable fact proved by the emails for the "scientists" at East Anglia. They openly admit in their emails to it.

Those climate scientists were purposely falsifying their data and got caught. Ryan is right about that.

[Ulysses G.]

voter-suppression laws

You mean asking voters to prove that they are who they say they are when they vote? You have to present an ID when you fly, cash a welfare check or rent a room.

Preventing voter fraud by requring ID is the law of the land according to the Supreme Court.

[Jingthing]

Voter fraud is almost nonexistent in the United States. On the other hand, politically motivated voter suppression is widespread.

On Medicare, if the Ryan plan is "right" (it is certainly right wing) why does the Ryan team run from revealing the facts about it and if it is that great why not apply it to EVERYBODY, not just the under 56 set? Obviously they are trying to cram something down American's throats that they don't believe they would buy if they knew the truth.

What is also actually much more distressing is the way that the Ryan - Ayn Rand "Let them die plan" guts MEDICAID is actually much more serious (tens of millions thrown off medical coverage), and will result in millions of premature deaths, but mostly of younger poor people.

Edited August 18, 2012 by Jingthing

[koheesti]

Voter fraud is almost nonexistent in the United States. On the other hand, politically motivated voter suppression is widespread.

Forget it, JT. Even traditional allies of the Democrats around the world don't see what is wrong with having to show an ID when voting. It's just common sense. I've had countless of them think I was joking when I told them that the Dems oppose the idea of showing IDs.