Popular Post Ulysses G. Posted September 3, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2012 There are lots of people "mulling" how to get Assange out of his legal problems, but turning himself over to the British authorities and facing the music is probably the only thing that will work. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koheesti Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 German MP mulls solution to Assange case "We, as peace and freedom loving people in Germany and around the world are greatly indebted to Mr Assange. He helped to uncover the war crimes in Iraq and in Afghanistan," Dagdelen said. "We agreed that the key is the attitude of the British and the Swedish government," she said, adding that the Swedish Prosecution Authority has displayed a very contradictory attitude, and has denied Assange the opportunity to make full use of his right to a defence. Dagdelen said she was worried that extraditing Assange to Sweden would trigger a chain of events that would lead eventually to his extradition to the United States, where he could face long-term imprisonment or even the death penalty. The MP said she was planning to meet with British and Swedish diplomats in Berlin in order to discuss a solution to the crisis. http://www.chinadail...nt_15727444.htm So now the Germans are inserting themselves into it? Seems like everyone is getting involved in this Assange thing - everyone that is except the USA. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Off-topic posts deleted. A rehash of his legal problems in Sweden is not on-topic. This has been discussed ad nauseum, and goes in never ending argument. He has been granted asylum by Ecuador. It's a done deal. He is stuck in the Ecuadorian embassy. Getting to Ecuador seems to be the pressing situation at this point in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F1fanatic Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Off-topic posts deleted. A rehash of his legal problems in Sweden is not on-topic. This has been discussed ad nauseum, and goes in never ending argument. He has been granted asylum by Ecuador. It's a done deal. He is stuck in the Ecuadorian embassy. Getting to Ecuador seems to be the pressing situation at this point in time. Not really... I doubt few will believe that Assange wants to emigrate to Ecuador. His problems are in the Western world surely - necessitating temporary sanctuary in the Ecuadorian Embassy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 A great number of people who seek asylum do not really wish to leave their country of origin. They do so because they fear persecution. Whether he wants to live in Ecuador and limit his visits to a few of the South American countries that will not extradite him is not really the question. That is what he will be stuck with barring some other solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F1fanatic Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 A great number of people who seek asylum do not really wish to leave their country of origin. They do so because they fear persecution. Whether he wants to live in Ecuador and limit his visits to a few of the South American countries that will not extradite him is not really the question. That is what he will be stuck with barring some other solution. "They do so because they fear persecution" - And is this not the point? Eduador (other than the Brit original threat to storm the Embassy) is pretty much irrelevant to any discussion re Assange? Any sensible comment is going to be about Assange/extradition and the reasons behind it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckd Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 A great number of people who seek asylum do not really wish to leave their country of origin. They do so because they fear persecution. Whether he wants to live in Ecuador and limit his visits to a few of the South American countries that will not extradite him is not really the question. That is what he will be stuck with barring some other solution. "They do so because they fear persecution" - And is this not the point? Eduador (other than the Brit original threat to storm the Embassy) is pretty much irrelevant to any discussion re Assange? Any sensible comment is going to be about Assange/extradition and the reasons behind it? What Assange fears is "prosecution", not "Persecution". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Under the rules of asylum, the applicant has to convince those doing the adjudication that what they fear is persecution. Part of that might be to convince them that the prosecution is a part of an attempt at persecution for political reasons. Ecuador has national legislation on granting asylum, but they have never published (not unusual) the reasoning and rationale behind the granting of asylum. There has only been the political posturing seen in the media. We don't know what evidence was presented by Assange & his legal advisors or what supporting evidence the Ecuadorian gov't might have acquired through other means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midas Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 A great number of people who seek asylum do not really wish to leave their country of origin. They do so because they fear persecution. Whether he wants to live in Ecuador and limit his visits to a few of the South American countries that will not extradite him is not really the question. That is what he will be stuck with barring some other solution. "They do so because they fear persecution" - And is this not the point? Eduador (other than the Brit original threat to storm the Embassy) is pretty much irrelevant to any discussion re Assange? Any sensible comment is going to be about Assange/extradition and the reasons behind it? What Assange fears is "prosecution", not "Persecution". What Assange fears is "no prosecution" ( in USA )i.e. simply left to rot in solitary confinement. based on the Daniel Ellsberg case he would be acquitted if he received a fair trial expeditiously but that would not be the plan of those in power Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midas Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Under the rules of asylum, the applicant has to convince those doing the adjudication that what they fear is persecution. Part of that might be to convince them that the prosecution is a part of an attempt at persecution for political reasons. Ecuador has national legislation on granting asylum, but they have never published (not unusual) the reasoning and rationale behind the granting of asylum. There has only been the political posturing seen in the media. We don't know what evidence was presented by Assange & his legal advisors or what supporting evidence the Ecuadorian gov't might have acquired through other means. " In an exclusive interview with RT's Spanish channel, Ecuador's president explains the choice he made, and says what he thinks Britain's motives really are." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midas Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Under the rules of asylum, the applicant has to convince those doing the adjudication that what they fear is persecution. Part of that might be to convince them that the prosecution is a part of an attempt at persecution for political reasons. Ecuador has national legislation on granting asylum, but they have never published (not unusual) the reasoning and rationale behind the granting of asylum. There has only been the political posturing seen in the media. We don't know what evidence was presented by Assange & his legal advisors or what supporting evidence the Ecuadorian gov't might have acquired through other means. We don't know what evidence was presented by Assange & his legal advisors or what supporting evidence the Ecuadorian gov't might have acquired through other means. maybe the Ecuadorian government were let in on the " big surprise " " Judge Baltasar Garzon Real also revealed key information relating to the rape allegations facing Mr Assange had been kept secret and would be a ''big surprise'' when the defence team was able to reveal them " http://m2.smh.com.au/national/country-has-abandoned-assange-says-lawyer-20120823-24ov0.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 The Ecuadorian gov't would most likely not have access to any 'big surprise'. If they did, it would have been a slam-dunk and it would have been widely announced. They would be rather careful not to get into the legal merits of the Swedish case other than to point out some sort of wrongful prosecution. That would take us back to Chuckd's assertion a few posts back: "What Assange fears is "prosecution", not "Persecution"." I am not going to speculate on some wide spread conspiracy because there simply is little evidence to support it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midas Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) rather than keep on trying to assure everyone about no death penalty wouldn't it be far more effective to everyone if UK and Sweden simply gave an assurance he will not be sent to USA period? British Foreign Secretary William Hague has dismissed Julian Assange's fears that the Wikileaks founder could face the death penalty in the US over the activities of his whistle-blowing organisation. http://www.newstalkz...lty-for-assange Edited September 5, 2012 by midas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) No. He should be prosecuted for any crimes that he is guilty of. He is in no position to set conditions for answering for the crimes that he is accused of. Edited September 5, 2012 by Ulysses G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Per the request of some posters and after some consideration, this thread will be closed. When there are new developments in the case, then it can be re-opened or a new thread started. At this point, there is very little that can be done except to speculate on what coulda', shoulda', woulda'. //Closed// 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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