Yingluck Cites Index To Talk Up Anti-Corruption Record

[KireB]

Comparing figures over time is difficult with changing sources and maybe criteria leading to the figures. That might mean that only the last few years could be compared up to a point. The last few years show:

2007 - 8.03

2008 - 8.00

2009 - 7.63

2010 - 7.60

2011 - 7.55

2012 - 6.57

Note that PERC uses an higher value to indicate more perceived corruption whereas for CPI it's the other way round. It seems in 2011 PERC has said "A grade greater than 7.0 indicates that a "serious" corruption problem exists"

BTW PERC website www.asiarisk.com seems unreachable at the moment

EDIT: correct 2011/2012 figures

Well Done Yingluck and the team for increasing awareness in the public domain. Progress in reducing corruption and increasing the penalties can only enhance the reputation of Thailand

People making nasty erroneous comments based on news reports can only confirm the disappointing depth of analysis offered by the anti government Tvisa team

Enhance the reputation of Thailand? You should work for the government PR organisation, I mean how do you make this stuff up?

And shame on those nasty comments of those criticizing the gangsters currently running the country now. How dare they?

[jonclark]

Comparing figures over time is difficult with changing sources and maybe criteria leading to the figures. That might mean that only the last few years could be compared up to a point. The last few years show:

2007 - 8.03

2008 - 8.00

2009 - 7.63

2010 - 7.60

2011 - 7.55

2012 - 6.57

Note that PERC uses an higher value to indicate more perceived corruption whereas for CPI it's the other way round. It seems in 2011 PERC has said "A grade greater than 7.0 indicates that a "serious" corruption problem exists"

BTW PERC website www.asiarisk.com seems unreachable at the moment

EDIT: correct 2011/2012 figures

Well Done Yingluck and the team for increasing awareness in the public domain. Progress in reducing corruption and increasing the penalties can only enhance the reputation of Thailand

People making nasty erroneous comments based on news reports can only confirm the disappointing depth of analysis offered by the anti government Tvisa team

Lets not get carried away and start patting yingluck on the back for a job well done just yet. These numbers are still very poor. The fact we've jumped from 10th to 9th whilst an improvement is hardly outstanding.

Celebrating a jump from 10th to 9th is the STD equivalent of going to the doctors and being told your gonorrhea has cleared up but exposed an underlying syphilis condition. Having syphilis, just like being in 9th place is hardly a triumph.

Lets get carried away with positive comment for a change, after all we have already experienced the embarrassing inaccurate comments and apologies from those carried away by the urge to criticise

The rest of your post belongs in the health section.......remedial action can be applied as with corruption

LOL - 'remedial action' in exactly what my doctor advised and gave me a special ointment - worked a treat!! Maybe I'll send it to Yingluck with instructions to apply liberally morning and evening to the areas affected by corruption.

[Buchholz]

The Political and Economic Risk Consultancy's website is currently accessible using 3BB internet with a proxy server, as attempts to access the website without the proxy have failed, suspiciously. dcutman is right. The higher the number, the more corrupt the country. Right now, PERC's study puts Thailand as the second most corrupt of the sixteen countries ranked:

http://www.asiaone.c...08-134144.html/

It seems possible that access to PERC website is denied because someone wants this story to blow over before the usual suspects (such as myself) can rip it to shreds.

Nice figures there from April 2009

Worst corruption was Thaksin's Thailand in 2003 when he managed to get Thailand all the way up to 3rd highest corruption level in Asia.

[Orac]

The Political and Economic Risk Consultancy's website is currently accessible using 3BB internet with a proxy server, as attempts to access the website without the proxy have failed, suspiciously. dcutman is right. The higher the number, the more corrupt the country. Right now, PERC's study puts Thailand as the second most corrupt of the sixteen countries ranked:

http://www.asiaone.c...08-134144.html/

It seems possible that access to PERC website is denied because someone wants this story to blow over before the usual suspects (such as myself) can rip it to shreds.

Nice figures there from April 2009

Worst corruption was Thaksin's Thailand in 2003 when he managed to get Thailand all the way up to 3rd highest corruption level in Asia.

The figures in the link provided above show that Abhisits government managed to get Thailand up to second place.

[Buchholz]

The Political and Economic Risk Consultancy's website is currently accessible using 3BB internet with a proxy server, as attempts to access the website without the proxy have failed, suspiciously. dcutman is right. The higher the number, the more corrupt the country. Right now, PERC's study puts Thailand as the second most corrupt of the sixteen countries ranked:

http://www.asiaone.c...08-134144.html/

It seems possible that access to PERC website is denied because someone wants this story to blow over before the usual suspects (such as myself) can rip it to shreds.

Nice figures there from April 2009

Worst corruption was Thaksin's Thailand in 2003 when he managed to get Thailand all the way up to 3rd highest corruption level in Asia.

The figures in the link provided above show that Abhisits government managed to get Thailand up to second place.

The AFP news article linked doesn't match what PERC's own 2012 Report says.

In that, the company's official report goes back and for 2009 shows Thailand in 7th place with 6.76.

For 2010, it shows Thailand in 5th place with 7.33.

As said, Thaksin's Thailand corruption ranking was the worst performance of 2003 - 2012.

Perhaps not only The Nation gets sloppy at times with their news.

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Edited August 19, 2012 by Buchholz

[redroo]

The only way forward is through

positve reinforcement.

Cannot live in the past.

One can only work on a better future.

But those that have no future left will dwell on the negative past.

She is still young.

And wants too move forward.

One could only encourage that.

[kimamey]

This should be funny. So all current politicians and public servants will soon be unemployed. All of those replacing them will last a week. All those applying for these jobs for the first time will be sacked after paying their bribes to get the jobs. So basically there will be a government and civil service that will change every day. Problem is that after the first day, all the cops who can work on this will be sacked and those replacing them will be sacked as well. So no government, no cops, that leaves the Army who is jsut as bad as the cops although not as blatant. So the next issue is that all the army will be replaced on a daily basis. Therefore, putting all these functions together, like the other low skilled jobs in this country, they will then be taken up by Cambodians and Myanmar nationals. Things are looking up then. A nice country with no Thai's involved in it's running.

Reality - nothing will happen. Hottie Yingluck is trying to Bluff the yanks to try and stop them down grading the country further on the corruption scale and risk economic sanctions. Maybe Yingluck should give it up and marry an old Farang.

Do you know an "old farang" who's up for it then?

[Moruya]

The AFP news article linked doesn't match what PERC's own 2012 Report says.

In that, the company's official report goes back and for 2009 shows Thailand in 7th place with 6.76.

For 2010, it shows Thailand in 5th place with 7.33.

As said, Thaksin's Thailand corruption ranking was the worst performance of 2003 - 2012.

Perhaps not only The Nation gets sloppy at times with their news.

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Is there a possibility of DNS misdirection I wonder. Some ISPs were certainly having an issue resolving it correctly thus weekend.

A lot of stats published by the government have been revised due to errors over the past few months too.

Ministry of information?

[tomross46]

I find the PR release interesting. The PM is in the middle of the O in STOP, and the O is made up of RED SHIRTS.

[Unkomoncents]

Comparing figures over time is difficult with changing sources and maybe criteria leading to the figures. That might mean that only the last few years could be compared up to a point. The last few years show:

2007 - 8.03

2008 - 8.00

2009 - 7.63

2010 - 7.60

2011 - 7.55

2012 - 6.57

Note that PERC uses an higher value to indicate more perceived corruption whereas for CPI it's the other way round. It seems in 2011 PERC has said "A grade greater than 7.0 indicates that a "serious" corruption problem exists"

BTW PERC website www.asiarisk.com seems unreachable at the moment

EDIT: correct 2011/2012 figures

Well Done Yingluck and the team for increasing awareness in the public domain. Progress in reducing corruption and increasing the penalties can only enhance the reputation of Thailand

People making nasty erroneous comments based on news reports can only confirm the disappointing depth of analysis offered by the anti government Tvisa team

Lets not get carried away and start patting yingluck on the back for a job well done just yet. These numbers are still very poor. The fact we've jumped from 10th to 9th whilst an improvement is hardly outstanding.

Celebrating a jump from 10th to 9th is the STD equivalent of going to the doctors and being told your gonorrhea has cleared up but exposed an underlying syphilis condition. Having syphilis, just like being in 9th place is hardly a triumph.

Lets get carried away with positive comment for a change, after all we have already experienced the embarrassing inaccurate comments and apologies from those carried away by the urge to criticise

The rest of your post belongs in the health section.......remedial action can be applied as with corruption

Who's embarrassed? The only embarrassing thing I'm aware of is the level of corruption in the Land of Scams. As a mere observer, inaccuracies are forgiven. No one here has claimed to be an infallible expert on the latest corruption surveys. Thailand is still 11th out of 16 countries. Correct me if I'm wrong but that's not a ringing endorsement of Thailand's successes in stamping out corruption. It simply means that Thailand's current situation is better than that of Cambodia, Indonesia and India (big surprise there) and that the country has made modest progress according to one metric. If Thailand wants to improve its image, it's going to have to do a lot more. It was just a few days ago that I watched the Phra Khanong police collect 100 baht notes from motorcycle drivers as I stood eating ice cream above the action on the BTS.

[khunken]

100 businessmen/women surveyed per country. Yep, it's an earth-shattering survey.

[AleG]

Funny thing about the picture is that according to the recent poll amoungst Thai people, if there was an exclamation mark (!) on the end of it, on average, the people making up the dot of the ! would be those who did not approve of corruption.

If you look at the picture it is a very good illustration of the problem. The Rich elite who profit most, protected by a red ring (government, police and army) getting the populace to do and believe anything they want them too. Quite revealing also that none of those politicians are standing right at the front shouting "stop corruption".

The irony of the imagery is that Yingluck is smack center in the Stop Corruption bullseye.

She would be nothing without the corruptly obtained power and money of her brother.

[asiawatcher]

Pretty ironic article as the PM is being controlled by the Master of corruption. Why even bring this up in the press? The whole country is continually being subjected to ridicule. What ever happened the the TAT Governor Juthamas Siriwan who received USD1.6M in payments over the Bangkok International Film Festival? Still at large - or maybe this one was not big enough to prosecute. Either way, reduction of Thailand's points status to say they are solving the problem is still way off a resolution and can 'never be' as long as 'La Famile' are still at the helm.

[silsburyhill]

This 1206 'hotline' was 'set up' many months ago, not last month. (Lie number 1) And, just 342 complaints? Were they dealt with? Why yes! (Lie no 2).

[silsburyhill]

Comparing figures over time is difficult with changing sources and maybe criteria leading to the figures. That might mean that only the last few years could be compared up to a point. The last few years show:

2007 - 8.03

2008 - 8.00

2009 - 7.63

2010 - 7.60

2011 - 7.55

2012 - 6.57

Note that PERC uses an higher value to indicate more perceived corruption whereas for CPI it's the other way round. It seems in 2011 PERC has said "A grade greater than 7.0 indicates that a "serious" corruption problem exists"

BTW PERC website www.asiarisk.com seems unreachable at the moment

EDIT: correct 2011/2012 figures

Well Done Yingluck and the team for increasing awareness in the public domain. Progress in reducing corruption and increasing the penalties can only enhance the reputation of Thailand

People making nasty erroneous comments based on news reports can only confirm the disappointing depth of analysis offered by the anti government Tvisa team

Lets not get carried away and start patting yingluck on the back for a job well done just yet. These numbers are still very poor. The fact we've jumped from 10th to 9th whilst an improvement is hardly outstanding.

Celebrating a jump from 10th to 9th is the STD equivalent of going to the doctors and being told your gonorrhea has cleared up but exposed an underlying syphilis condition. Having syphilis, just like being in 9th place is hardly a triumph.

Lets get carried away with positive comment for a change, after all we have already experienced the embarrassing inaccurate comments and apologies from those carried away by the urge to criticise

The rest of your post belongs in the health section.......remedial action can be applied as with corruption

Oh don't be so bloody naive.

[silsburyhill]

Pretty ironic article as the PM is being controlled by the Master of corruption. Why even bring this up in the press? The whole country is continually being subjected to ridicule. What ever happened the the TAT Governor Juthamas Siriwan who received USD1.6M in payments over the Bangkok International Film Festival? Still at large - or maybe this one was not big enough to prosecute. Either way, reduction of Thailand's points status to say they are solving the problem is still way off a resolution and can 'never be' as long as 'La Famile' are still at the helm.

Either way, reduction of Thailand's points status to say they are solving the problem is still way off a resolution and can 'never be' as long as 'La Famile' are still at the helm.

And which particular famille (if you're going to show off your limited knowledge of the French language, at least learn to spell it properly), are you referring too?

[473geo]

Lets get carried away with positive comment for a change, after all we have already experienced the embarrassing inaccurate comments and apologies from those carried away by the urge to criticise

The rest of your post belongs in the health section.......remedial action can be applied as with corruption

Oh don't be so bloody naive.

Oh you believe this is a serious thread........talk about naive....

[bigbamboo]

Here's a photo I took of the Government fighting corruption...

They're a little more sophisticated than you give them credit for

Why are all the men protecting their crown jewels like a free kick is about to be taken?

They aren't, there's no need.

The Big Boss has already has them as a condition of employment along with their signed resignation letters.

[scotbeve]

Comparing figures over time is difficult with changing sources and maybe criteria leading to the figures. That might mean that only the last few years could be compared up to a point. The last few years show: 2007 - 8.03 2008 - 8.00 2009 - 7.63 2010 - 7.60 2011 - 7.55 2012 - 6.57 Note that PERC uses an higher value to indicate more perceived corruption whereas for CPI it's the other way round. It seems in 2011 PERC has said "A grade greater than 7.0 indicates that a "serious" corruption problem exists" BTW PERC website www.asiarisk.com seems unreachable at the moment EDIT: correct 2011/2012 figures

Just curious rubl, what was 2005 & 2006 stats (if you don't mind my laziness) please?

[rubl]

Comparing figures over time is difficult with changing sources and maybe criteria leading to the figures. That might mean that only the last few years could be compared up to a point. The last few years show: 2007 - 8.03 2008 - 8.00 2009 - 7.63 2010 - 7.60 2011 - 7.55 2012 - 6.57 Note that PERC uses an higher value to indicate more perceived corruption whereas for CPI it's the other way round. It seems in 2011 PERC has said "A grade greater than 7.0 indicates that a "serious" corruption problem exists" BTW PERC website www.asiarisk.com seems unreachable at the moment EDIT: correct 2011/2012 figures

Just curious rubl, what was 2005 & 2006 stats (if you don't mind my laziness) please?

Sorry, don't have them and if you don't mind I'm not going to look for them. The ones I wrote down already took more time to find than I imagined when I started looking.

[scotbeve]

Comparing figures over time is difficult with changing sources and maybe criteria leading to the figures. That might mean that only the last few years could be compared up to a point. The last few years show: 2007 - 8.03 2008 - 8.00 2009 - 7.63 2010 - 7.60 2011 - 7.55 2012 - 6.57 Note that PERC uses an higher value to indicate more perceived corruption whereas for CPI it's the other way round. It seems in 2011 PERC has said "A grade greater than 7.0 indicates that a "serious" corruption problem exists" BTW PERC website www.asiarisk.com seems unreachable at the moment EDIT: correct 2011/2012 figures

Just curious rubl, what was 2005 & 2006 stats (if you don't mind my laziness) please?

Sorry, don't have them and if you don't mind I'm not going to look for them. The ones I wrote down already took more time to find than I imagined when I started looking.

Yes, I understand (completely), no worries.

[jerrysteve]

I wonder how much they BRIBED them to write the report their way!!!

[jerrysteve]

If you look at the picture closely that says STOP CORRUPTION, almost all the people in the picture are laughing . Why?

Answer: Because they know its a JOKE