Red Shirts Block Abhisit From Seminar

[Moruya]

PTP represent enriching themselves and their friends and families at the expense of the people.

The Reds are their fascist enforcers hoping to feed from the head table and would sell the bodies if their fallen comrades to do so.

The Yellows are ultra conservatives looking to maintain a status quo some of which most want to maintain and some of which most want to abolish.

The multi coloured shirts seem to be the sensible sediment of the PAD.

In terms of real democracy, there is no alternative to the Democrats. None at all.

Those who support the murders, corruption, nepotism, fascism, cronyism and subversion that the UDD and PTP represent are immoral enemies of democracy and righteousness.

[473geo]

Was Abhisit in any real danger, or shying away from negative publicity?

I guess when

I guess what is good for the Goose

Or to put it the usual way, "but the ..."

Well done the Thai police for following the example of the good ole democratic USA police, in allowing democratic non violent protest, not surprising the Abhisit supporters would deny that right to the red shirts.....lucky for the Red shirts Abhisit could not call out the armed troops.....

Abhist chose to avoid yet more negative publicity.......probably the right decision......a man trying to be the "voice of reason" after running a government with a history of violence against his own people is pushing a pretty big boulder uphill already

[Moruya]

If the reds don't want to play by the rules then the police shouldn't have to play by the rules as well. Rubber bullets and tear gas, and lots of it, please!!!

That would be all very well if the BiB weren't part of the red shirt movement themselves....!

And the primary reason crackdowns never crack down. It's the reward for support.

[473geo]

I guess what is good for the Goose

Posted 2011-02-13 08:23:36

PAD defies police order to clear out of roads.

By THE NATION ON SUNDAY

Well goose, first you would have to prove that the police ordered the red shirts to clear the road.

Well if they did not Mick, what exactly are you trying to say the red shirt protestors have done wrong? Protest......heaven forbid.....break out the ammunition!!

[rixalex]

Well done the Thai police for following the example of the good ole democratic USA police, in allowing democratic non violent protest, not surprising the Abhisit supporters would deny that right to the red shirts.....lucky for the Red shirts Abhisit could not call out the armed troops.....

Abhist chose to avoid yet more negative publicity.......probably the right decision......a man trying to be the "voice of reason" after running a government with a history of violence against his own people is pushing a pretty big boulder uphill already

"But the..." extended version remix.

[Moruya]

I guess what is good for the Goose

Posted 2011-02-13 08:23:36

PAD defies police order to clear out of roads.

By THE NATION ON SUNDAY

Well goose, first you would have to prove that the police ordered the red shirts to clear the road.

Well if they did not Mick, what exactly are you trying to say the red shirt protestors have done wrong? Protest......heaven forbid.....break out the ammunition!!

Red Shirt SOP

[OzMick]

I guess what is good for the Goose

Posted 2011-02-13 08:23:36

PAD defies police order to clear out of roads.

By THE NATION ON SUNDAY

Well goose, first you would have to prove that the police ordered the red shirts to clear the road.

Well if they did not Mick, what exactly are you trying to say the red shirt protestors have done wrong? Protest......heaven forbid.....break out the ammunition!!

Simply pointing out that your comparison with PAD's actions was wrong. Why exactly you are comparing to PAD is another mystery.

Claiming the UDD protest was peaceful is another stretch, as they have not been on many occasions, and you have no proof that they would have been on this occasion.

BTW my friends call me Mick, you can call me OzMick.

Edited August 26, 2012 by OzMick

[whybother]

I thought the Red Shirts were FOR freedom of speech?

[Moruya]

I thought the Red Shirts were FOR freedom of speech?

Red Speech

[Jawnie]

Mark thought it was oh so clever for the yellows to block PT MPs out of parliament last month and now he's crying like a baby because it's happened to him. Can't have it both ways.

The yellows did not block MPs out of parliament, get your facts straight, and it is exactly your tit for tat mentality that inhibits you from seeing right from wrong as far as the democratic governance of this nation goes.

A small demo of about 100 persons, outnumbered 2 : 1 by the police and AV turns away.

He must have something very heavy on his conscience if he is that concerned.

"...........Abhisit decided to return to the Democrat Party headquarters, and then join a rally in Uthai Thani.

Bang Poo Police station and 200 anti-riot police kept security during the red shirt rally and there was no reports of clashes."

Rather sad that he seems to be afraid of the electorate.

Perhaps he has good reason to be, after all the last time his motorcade was anywhere near a group of reds, they attacked his car with him inside.

http://www.thaivisa....ar#entry4059752

Haha, yellows do this to Thaksin in US and you sing praises. Double standards all around and they are all equly bad including Abhisit.

Yellows were not permitted to interfere with any traffic or people in the USA. They were stood well away. Thaksins car even pulled up outside the event completely unhindered and waited there for several minutes. Only afer being told there was a handful of people to listen to him did he decide to leave the venue and blame the yellows. His movements during the protest and the arrival at the venue are all documented on youtube.

Parliament was in fact blocked in May, unless I can't read. http://pattayatoday.net/news/thailand-news/reconciliation-bill-debate-put-off-as-protesters-block-mps-entry-into-parliament/

[Noistar]

Well done the Thai police for following the example of the good ole democratic USA police, in allowing democratic non violent protest, not surprising the Abhisit supporters would deny that right to the red shirts.....lucky for the Red shirts Abhisit could not call out the armed troops.....

Abhist chose to avoid yet more negative publicity.......probably the right decision......a man trying to be the "voice of reason" after running a government with a history of violence against his own people is pushing a pretty big boulder uphill already

"But the..." extended version remix.

Sorry, must have taken my eye off the ball.

I thought the article said he was unable to attend because the entrance was blocked.

Here we go - the off topic reference to Abhisit and troops.

Abhisit stands by what he believes in. He can debate it if needed because he KNOWS it and believes it and doesn't need a script to read from.

Negative publicity from an Abhisit rally?

No - leave that to the non-existent rally appearances by she who needs her beauty sleep

[metisdead]

An inflammatory post has been removed.

[h90]

200 coppers and they cant sort this out

can yes but want?

[h90]

Abhisit get ridiculous again with his upholding the law....

Why should handpicked (from Thaksin) cronies uphold the law? To even mention it is ridiculous.

he should speak out the reality....The police (at least the boss) isn't working for Thailand he is working for Thaksin.

[Bluespunk]

I thought the Red Shirts were FOR freedom of speech?

Dream on.

[tragickingdom]

Interesting title of a seminar. I guess the people who came up with the title: "Assemblies join forces to design Thailand" were high on crack.

[Skywalker69]

What is it with Thai police they are just beyond useless. They have no will or inclination to do anything which resembles hard work. Perhaps if they actually did a decent days work they may have a case for a pay rise.

Without wanting to get sidetracked, but the police share a fair slice of responsibility for the whole red shirt riots as they were proven to be bias, unwilling and just plain scared to deal with the civil disorder that the red shirts caused. I remember they ran away crying because it was too dangerous. As a result the army was called in. A fact often overlooked

The problem is, they become police´s not to help the society and it´s people, They become police´s to make money.

[indyuk]

Now they are both at it Red Shirts and Yellow shirts alike. Peaceful protest is lawful in Thailand. The 100 red Shirts protesting in this case were expressing the personal view, perhaps suggested by Taksin. If so Taksin's proposed interference with lawfully elected political parties and party leaders is regrettable. Both sides need to be rational and exercise some restraint on their 'bother boy' behaviour. The fact is that they have a chance to put six years stagnation in Thailand's economy behind them if all parties work in the country's interest. Thailand's politicians also have to put behind them their malfeasance, corruption and anti-social behaviour and begin to run Thailand for the people not for their own selfish goals and gains. Do politicians in Thailand how humiliating it is to them in that Thailand functions adequately in spite of them. If only they, the red shirts and yellow shirts would put their prejudice behind them and do the job that they are paid to do Thailand would be amazing again. It's true, if only you politicians would buckle down and do a days work every day, the shame and embarrassment of your behaviour these past six years would quickly wash away and we could all be proud of you.

[soundman]

I have removed numerous posts.

Please stop bickering.

[Noistar]

Now they are both at it Red Shirts and Yellow shirts alike. Peaceful protest is lawful in Thailand. The 100 red Shirts protesting in this case were expressing the personal view, perhaps suggested by Taksin. If so Taksin's proposed interference with lawfully elected political parties and party leaders is regrettable. Both sides need to be rational and exercise some restraint on their 'bother boy' behaviour. The fact is that they have a chance to put six years stagnation in Thailand's economy behind them if all parties work in the country's interest. Thailand's politicians also have to put behind them their malfeasance, corruption and anti-social behaviour and begin to run Thailand for the people not for their own selfish goals and gains. Do politicians in Thailand how humiliating it is to them in that Thailand functions adequately in spite of them. If only they, the red shirts and yellow shirts would put their prejudice behind them and do the job that they are paid to do Thailand would be amazing again. It's true, if only you politicians would buckle down and do a days work every day, the shame and embarrassment of your behaviour these past six years would quickly wash away and we could all be proud of you.

Common sense that ought to be trotted out in preference to the coup/troops/Thaksin repetitions.

Your reference to politicians leading by "buckling down and doing a days work every day" should unfortunately start with the current PM who is an embarrassment to the country.

[jonclark]

Once again the two sides on TV square up and use the illegal actions of one group to justify the illegal actions of the other. Of course the UDD /PAD bully the weak and feeble police into doing nothing when it suits either of them, but yet (predictably) the other side cries foul when their opponents copy their strategy. All the while the vast majority of PTP and Dem supporters who see both the UDD / PAD as limelight hogging thugs on the extremities of the political spectrum are left shaking their heads at the incompetence of the police to police without bias or prejudice and are left feeling exasperated and disappointed the whole political system.

Politicians (like some TV members) need to move on from 'who started it' argument and start to think and discuss how it can be finished quickly, fairly and amicably so that the next generation of politicians and voters aren't poisoned by these hatred filled idiots and follow the same self destructive path.

In order for the country to move on and for Thailand's people to be allowed the opportunities for education ,and development that many citizens of western nations take for granted.

On may way home today I passed a tourist billboard which proclaimed "Thailand land of a thousand smiles'. And i thought "Yeah, that's about right. Out of a population of 60 million probably only a thousand have anything to smile about. Shame"

Edited August 26, 2012 by jonclark

[khunken]

What this shows, unfortunately, is that Thailand's fragile democracy is going backwards. This incident mirrors the red shirt leaders' success in preventing the Democrat party from campaigning in most of Isan. As a previous poster said, Abhisit was wise to avoid a confrontation given the red shirts tendency for violence.

Not one of the red shirt apologists in this thread has admitted that red shirt protests, particularly those aimed at Abhisit, have turned violent - sometimes the life-threatening sort.

[metisdead]

A post using a derogatory nickname of Abhisit has been removed.

[473geo]

Now they are both at it Red Shirts and Yellow shirts alike. Peaceful protest is lawful in Thailand. The 100 red Shirts protesting in this case were expressing the personal view, perhaps suggested by Taksin. If so Taksin's proposed interference with lawfully elected political parties and party leaders is regrettable. Both sides need to be rational and exercise some restraint on their 'bother boy' behaviour. The fact is that they have a chance to put six years stagnation in Thailand's economy behind them if all parties work in the country's interest. Thailand's politicians also have to put behind them their malfeasance, corruption and anti-social behaviour and begin to run Thailand for the people not for their own selfish goals and gains. Do politicians in Thailand how humiliating it is to them in that Thailand functions adequately in spite of them. If only they, the red shirts and yellow shirts would put their prejudice behind them and do the job that they are paid to do Thailand would be amazing again. It's true, if only you politicians would buckle down and do a days work every day, the shame and embarrassment of your behaviour these past six years would quickly wash away and we could all be proud of you.

What I find interesting here is your opening statement

"Now they are both at it Red Shirts and Yellow shirts alike. Peaceful protest is lawful in Thailand. The 100 red Shirts protesting in this case were expressing the personal view, perhaps suggested by Taksin. If so Taksin's proposed interference with lawfully elected political parties and party leaders is regrettable.

Why start out with a hypothetical statement?.... Perhaps...if....The remainder of your post would stand as fair and rational comment why try and load it one way or the other?

[Ricardo]

The fact is that they have a chance to put six years stagnation in Thailand's economy behind them if all parties work in the country's interest.

"six years stagnation" ?

I believe that Thailand's economy has done remarkably well, given the background of the global financial crisis, over the past five years.

For example GDP per-capita, on a purchase-power-basis :-

2006 7.8%

2007 7.7%

2008 4.2%

2009 -1.5%

2010 8.6%

sorry , my source doesn't seem to want to load, but anyway, it's hardly a disaster IMO.

Edited August 26, 2012 by Ricardo

[Rob8891]

So what? How many PTP MPs are red shirts (and every one avoiding trial)? Does that make Yingluk a red shirt?

I almost asked should the democrat supporters stop Yingluk from attending parliament, but that would be beyond rhetoric and well into fantasyland.

It would doubtless serve the Yellow Shirts' cause far better to escort the dear lady there (she sure as sh1t can't find her own way there any too often), so she can display her mastery of the political situation..... OK, OK, a tad facetious, but hey! this is the Thailand we all know and love.......

Edited August 26, 2012 by metisdead
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[Noistar]

Once again the two sides on TV square up and use the illegal actions of one group to justify the illegal actions of the other. Of course the UDD /PAD bully the weak and feeble police into doing nothing when it suits either of them, but yet (predictably) the other side cries foul when their opponents copy their strategy. All the while the vast majority of PTP and Dem supporters who see both the UDD / PAD as limelight hogging thugs on the extremities of the political spectrum are left shaking their heads at the incompetence of the police to police without bias or prejudice and are left feeling exasperated and disappointed the whole political system.

Politicians (like some TV members) need to move on from 'who started it' argument and start to think and discuss how it can be finished quickly, fairly and amicably so that the next generation of politicians and voters aren't poisoned by these hatred filled idiots and follow the same self destructive path.

In order for the country to move on and for Thailand's people to be allowed the opportunities for education ,and development that many citizens of western nations take for granted.

On may way home today I passed a tourist billboard which proclaimed "Thailand land of a thousand smiles'. And i thought "Yeah, that's about right. Out of a population of 60 million probably only a thousand have anything to smile about. Shame"

I can't argue with any post which says Thailand must be allowed to move forward.

The past provides lessons to be learnt from. Not a source of repetition for the future.

This obsession with apportioning blame doesn't help the Thai people or the country

(IMHO)

[chainarong]

The fact is that they have a chance to put six years stagnation in Thailand's economy behind them if all parties work in the country's interest.

"six years stagnation" ?

I believe that Thailand's economy has done remarkably well, given the background of the global financial crisis, over the past five years.

For example GDP per-capita, on a purchase-power-basis :-

2006 7.8%

2007 7.7%

2008 4.2%

2009 -1.5%

2010 8.6%

sorry , my source doesn't seem to want to load, but anyway, it's hardly a disaster IMO.

Ricado, you hit The nail on the head, she's a resilient country , but the old girl must be getting a bit tired by now, I wish her well.

[473geo]

So what? How many PTP MPs are red shirts (and every one avoiding trial)? Does that make Yingluk a red shirt?

I almost asked should the democrat supporters stop Yingluk from attending parliament, but that would be beyond rhetoric and well into fantasyland.

It would doubtless serve the Yellow Shirts' cause far better to escort the dear lady there (she sure as sh1t can't find her own way there any too often), so she can display her mastery of the political situation..... OK, OK, a tad facetious, but hey! this is the Thailand we all know and love.......

Good idea, while they are at they can round up the 10% of Democrat elected representatives that were reported not to have found their way to parliament at all.....

[Moruya]

The fact is that they have a chance to put six years stagnation in Thailand's economy behind them if all parties work in the country's interest.

"six years stagnation" ?

I believe that Thailand's economy has done remarkably well, given the background of the global financial crisis, over the past five years.

For example GDP per-capita, on a purchase-power-basis :-

2006 7.8%

2007 7.7%

2008 4.2%

2009 -1.5%

2010 8.6%

sorry , my source doesn't seem to want to load, but anyway, it's hardly a disaster IMO.

If the people aren't benefitting then there's the stagnation of the low paid.