What Is The Law On Insults To The Thai People Or Country?

[submaniac]

I know that, under lese majesty, it is a crime to insult the monarchy.

Is there a similar crime for insults to the people of Thailand or the country of Thailand? (Yes I know that it is prohibited under the forum rules.) Is there a specific statutory criminal provision for this? Or perhaps would it fall under lese majeste. Like an insult to the Thai people would be deemed an insult to the King. Does anyone know?

[Orac]

Isn't Prayuth using defamation laws for insulting the army?

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[Ohyesuare]

If there was then 50% of the people on this board would be arrested.

[Pseudolus]

Seriously?

Stick and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me? Does that cover it?

[submaniac]

This is true. But recall the Falang who was in the red (or yellow) shirt demonstration and was caught on camera that he was going to loot and overthrow the governent and all. I know he was ordered arrested and deported. I don't know what the grounds were. There was no apparent insult to the monarchy, so I think there might be another law.

[Pseudolus]

Planning a coup would be enough I guess. I truly hope you are not thinking of reporting me to the authorities for disagreeing with you? Oh dear.

[Jingthing]

This is true. But recall the Falang who was in the red (or yellow) shirt demonstration and was caught on camera that he was going to loot and overthrow the governent and all. I know he was ordered arrested and deported. I don't know what the grounds were. There was no apparent insult to the monarchy, so I think there might be another law.

I think you said it. My understanding is that it is illegal for a foreigner to participate in a political protest in Thailand and in that case, he openly associated himself with a blatantly illegal action. That has NOTHING to do with verbal insults. Do you think there SHOULD be such a law against verbal insults or criticisms? BTW, personally I think the Thai ban on foreigners protesting is a sign of xenophobia. Cheers.

[Pseudolus]

This is true. But recall the Falang who was in the red (or yellow) shirt demonstration and was caught on camera that he was going to loot and overthrow the governent and all. I know he was ordered arrested and deported. I don't know what the grounds were. There was no apparent insult to the monarchy, so I think there might be another law.

I think you said it. My understanding is that it is illegal for a foreigner to participate in a political protest in Thailand and in that case, he openly associated himself with a blatantly illegal action. That has NOTHING to do with verbal insults. Do you think there SHOULD be such a law against verbal insults or criticisms? BTW, personally I think the Thai ban on foreigners protesting is a sign of xenophobia. Cheers.

"Prisoner of conscience (POC) is a term defined in Peter Benenson's 1961 article "The Forgotten Prisoners" often used by the human rights group Amnesty International. It can refer to anyone imprisoned because of their race, religion, or political views. It also refers to those who have been imprisoned and/or persecuted for the non-violent expression of their conscientiously held beliefs."

I think this is what he is suggesting? Lovely.

[norrona]

This is true. But recall the Falang who was in the red (or yellow) shirt demonstration and was caught on camera that he was going to loot and overthrow the governent and all. I know he was ordered arrested and deported. I don't know what the grounds were. There was no apparent insult to the monarchy, so I think there might be another law.

you don't do your fellow countrymen any favours at all

[simple1]

Although Thailand has Freedom of Speech legislation, any Thai can initiate legal action for libel/defamation, so in answer to your question, legal proceeding could be initiated for insulting the Thai people/nation. However, I'm sure you already know this, hope I'm not being paranoid that you are not posing this question as a veiled or overt threat.

[Jingthing]

Although Thailand has Freedom of Speech legislation, any Thai can initiate legal action for libel/defamation, so in answer to your question, legal proceeding could be initiated for insulting the Thai people/nation. However, I'm sure you already know this

I think you're probably wrong about that. That would be against an individual or a commercial concern such as saying Smiletime Restaurant has rats (even if they do). I don't think there is any such law against against verbal expression of "insult" to the entire nation or people such as "there sure are a LOT of prostitutes in Thailand!".

[Pseudolus]

Although Thailand has Freedom of Speech legislation, any Thai can initiate legal action for libel/defamation, so in answer to your question, legal proceeding could be initiated for insulting the Thai people/nation. However, I'm sure you already know this

Surely it would be a better use of someone's time and money to try to improve their country as opposed to stop people talking about the bad sides? Is that not more logical and rational?

[submaniac]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=137_1339907257

This is the guy. Happened during the riots. Said some things on camera. The Thai authorities tracked him down and arrested him. I was trying to figure out what the charge was. He didn't say anything about the monarchy, so no lese majeste. He really didn't do anything illegal. I thought it was either a charge of insult to the Thai people or insult to the monarchy by insulting the Thai people. Does anyone remember what the charges were?

[hookedondhamma]

That's interesting, Simple1. I guess now the question is, can this be carried out from another country? Hmm ...

[hookedondhamma]

Although Thailand has Freedom of Speech legislation, any Thai can initiate legal action for libel/defamation, so in answer to your question, legal proceeding could be initiated for insulting the Thai people/nation. However, I'm sure you already know this

Surely it would be a better use of someone's time and money to try to improve their country as opposed to stop people talking about the bad sides? Is that not more logical and rational?

Tit

[Pseudolus]

It might just being something about uttering threats to someone else in Public, much as you did against the Brit plane passenger who you have declared you have "burnt his face" into your memory and you are going to try to find him.

[mauGR1]

http://www.liveleak....=137_1339907257

This is the guy. Happened during the riots. Said some things on camera. The Thai authorities tracked him down and arrested him. I was trying to figure out what the charge was. He didn't say anything about the monarchy, so no lese majeste. He really didn't do anything illegal. I thought it was either a charge of insult to the Thai people or insult to the monarchy by insulting the Thai people. Does anyone remember what the charges were?

I remember the video, it was the day before the burning of some mall in Central BKK..The guy was inciting burning and looting.

As every country has its share of lunatics among the locals, i think it's fair to be tough on visitors who incite violence.

[simple1]

Although Thailand has Freedom of Speech legislation, any Thai can initiate legal action for libel/defamation, so in answer to your question, legal proceeding could be initiated for insulting the Thai people/nation. However, I'm sure you already know this

I think you're probably wrong about that. That would be against an individual or a commercial concern such as saying Smiletime Restaurant has rats (even if they do). I don't think there is any such law against a verbal expression of "insult" to the entire nation or people such as "there sure are a LOT of prostitutes in Thailand!".

Maybe you are correct, I don't know the detail of Thai law, but proceeding could be initiated & then would require a court rulings; maybe on appeal all the way to the Constitutional Court of Thailand. So unless you have plenty of money could easily be used as a mechanism for suppressing opinion.

[maxme]

http://www.liveleak....=137_1339907257

This is the guy. Happened during the riots. Said some things on camera. The Thai authorities tracked him down and arrested him. I was trying to figure out what the charge was. He didn't say anything about the monarchy, so no lese majeste. He really didn't do anything illegal. I thought it was either a charge of insult to the Thai people or insult to the monarchy by insulting the Thai people. Does anyone remember what the charges were?

I remember the video, it was the day before the burning of some mall in Central BKK..The guy was inciting burning and looting.

As every country has its share of lunatics among the locals, i think it's fair to be tough on visitors who incite violence.

Did Arsenal play around that time? Me think it was a British hooligan who took his frustration and anger out on the public for his favorite losing the game.

You see... dam_n Brits...

[WebBangkok]

http://www.liveleak....=137_1339907257

This is the guy. Happened during the riots. Said some things on camera. The Thai authorities tracked him down and arrested him. I was trying to figure out what the charge was. He didn't say anything about the monarchy, so no lese majeste. He really didn't do anything illegal. I thought it was either a charge of insult to the Thai people or insult to the monarchy by insulting the Thai people. Does anyone remember what the charges were?

I wonder if he is one of the members on here lol

[simple1]

That's interesting, Simple1. I guess now the question is, can this be carried out from another country? Hmm ...

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[Pseudolus]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10550736

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/381701-briton-jeff-savage-freed-by-thai-court/

http://www.examiner.com/article/briton-jeff-savage-arrested-by-thai-police-did-he-burn-down-central-world-plaza-mall

"The Thai government has said Savage would be charged with violating the state of emergency decree"

So in answer to your question, No. There is not.

...unless you seriously contend there should be, in which case, let's keep it open

[katana]

http://www.liveleak....=137_1339907257

This is the guy. Happened during the riots. Said some things on camera. The Thai authorities tracked him down and arrested him. I was trying to figure out what the charge was. He didn't say anything about the monarchy, so no lese majeste. He really didn't do anything illegal. I thought it was either a charge of insult to the Thai people or insult to the monarchy by insulting the Thai people. Does anyone remember what the charges were?

I wonder if he is one of the members on here lol

Weirdly enough, it turned out that Jeff Savage (the Brit guy in the video threatening and inciting others to burn down Bangkok) ) had actually been in the employ of Queen Elizabeth II of England at Buckingham Palace for 4 years, working in the kitchens as a porter.

"...for the 25 investitures held in the Palace ballroom every year, he would change into smart livery of black tailcoat, black trousers and waistcoat.

‘The Queen and other members of the Royal Family would have ­certainly known him,’ says an insider..."

Strange but true.

More here: http://www.dailymail...rked-Queen.html

[travelmann]

Sheeeeeeeeeeeesh give it a rest Im bored sh*tless with the subject, why dont you just say can Thai law silence the rest of the world like it does Thailand and we all become mute droids!!!

[jbrain]

This is true. But recall the Falang who was in the red (or yellow) shirt demonstration and was caught on camera that he was going to loot and overthrow the governent and all. I know he was ordered arrested and deported. I don't know what the grounds were. There was no apparent insult to the monarchy, so I think there might be another law.

He got arrested because foreigners are not allowed to participate in demonstrations, especially poltical oriented ones.

[TommoPhysicist]

This is true. But recall the Falang who was in the red (or yellow) shirt demonstration and was caught on camera that he was going to loot and overthrow the governent and all. I know he was ordered arrested and deported. I don't know what the grounds were. There was no apparent insult to the monarchy, so I think there might be another law.

Deported for working without a work permit.

All the red protesters were paid to be there.

[jacktrip]

i dunno, but when im out and about i keep my mouth shut.

[payak]

don't worry so much about the law, worry about the little bastard you insult.

don't turn your back on him.

[GuestHouse]

This is true. But recall the Falang who was in the red (or yellow) shirt demonstration and was caught on camera that he was going to loot and overthrow the governent and all. I know he was ordered arrested and deported. I don't know what the grounds were. There was no apparent insult to the monarchy, so I think there might be another law.

He got arrested because foreigners are not allowed to participate in demonstrations, especially poltical oriented ones.

I believe you are wrong on this. You could prove your point by presenting us with the relevant law.

[GuestHouse]

There are archaic laws of defamation, which essentially allow for an individual to be found guilty and fined/jailed if they defame another person - The defamation does not have to be a lie. An individual could be found guilty of defamation if they repeated the truth about another individual's misdeeds (even if those misdeeds had been proven in court and were already in the public domain) if the statements of truth are made in an 'aggressive' or 'insulting' manner.

Go figure who that protects.

I'm not aware that there are any laws that give the state or Thai people as a national group the same protections as an individual.

If there were we might all wind up grinning like idiots the continual denial of the obvious truth having rotted our brains.

Hang on.... does that sound like someone you know?!