Phuket Lawyer Takes Death Plunge After ‘Humiliating’ Argument

[Lite Beer]

Phuket lawyer takes death plunge after ‘humiliating’ argument

Phuket Gazette –

Kusoldharm Foundation rescue workers and Vachira Phuket Hospital staff attempted to keep Mr Puwanart alive as they rushed him to hospital. Photo: Kritsada Mueanhawong

Mr Puwanart’s had an argument with his girlfriend (pictured) immediately before his death. Photo: Kritsada Mueanhawong

PHUKET: A Phuket lawyer died after plummeting from his third-floor apartment in Wichit last night, allegedly due to the humiliation of arguing with his girlfriend in front of apartment staff.

Puwanart Pijansophon, 48, worked as a lawyer and also helped his relatives run the apartment complex that he fell from on Soi Jai Lau U-Thit 2 off Chao Fa East Road.

Mr Puwanart had a fight with his girlfriend about getting more ice for the drinks that they were having in his third-floor room with a group of people who worked at the apartment complex, explained Lt Col Chetsada Saengsuree of the Phuket City Police.

“He argued with his girlfriend in front of the workers, which humiliated Mr Puwanart a great deal. Then his girlfriend left the room in order to avoid any more arguing,” Col Chetsada said.

“After his girlfriend left, Mr Puwanart was upset about what had happened. So climbed out the window of his apartment and jumped,” he said.

Although alive after the fall, Mr Puwanart died as Kusoldharm Foundation rescue workers and Vachira Phuket Hospital staff attempted to transport him to Vachira Hospital for treatment.

Police are still questioning other apartment residents in order to conclusively determine the motive for Mr Puwanart jumping from the building, added Col Chetsada.

Source: http://www.phuketgaz...ment-19155.html

-- Phuket Gazette 2012-10-12

Edited October 13, 2012 by Lite Beer

[ashbee]

Other than pulling out a pistol and shooting her, this was arguably the most extreme reaction the guy could have done. I'm going to have to say he had mental issues.

[Briggsy]

"Getting ice..."

Odds on there was considerable quantities of booze involved.

There wouldn't be half these stories in the local Phuket and Pattaya rags and everywhere else if people drank sensibly and in moderation like me.

There's nothing but a tale of woe at the bottom of every glass and bottle.

[unanimosity]

Other than pulling out a pistol and shooting her, this was arguably the most extreme reaction the guy could have done. I'm going to have to say he had mental issues.

Ya' think?

[luckyman]

It all sounds a bit fishy to me....

[KarenBravo]

And god forbid the fate worse than death--LOSS of face

Yup......the root of all problems in Thailand and the block to most solutions.

[cup-O-coffee]

As I inferred before; suicidal or homicidal. There is no in between. However, it is amazing that there are so many facts stating what this man did prior to his leap while he was alone. Did they use a clairvoyant for this article?

[hyperdimension]

"Getting ice..."

Odds on there was considerable quantities of booze involved.

There wouldn't be half these stories in the local Phuket and Pattaya rags and everywhere else if people drank sensibly and in moderation like me.

There's nothing but a tale of woe at the bottom of every glass and bottle.

If they were smoking cannabis or taking MDMA instead of drinking alcohol then such an incident would have been less likely to have occured. Alcohol is a bad recreational drug in a number of ways:

• it is toxic to many parts of the human body. See http://pubs.niaaa.ni...ndHangovers.htm
  
• It increases the chance of engaging in bad anti-social behavior, including violence
  
• the euphoria only lasts for only around an hour and is only mild, and afterwards it's more of a sedating effect
  

The problem is that currently there aren't really any better alternative recreational drugs that are legal. Legalizing cannabis and MDMA would provide much less harmful and more enjoyable alternatives.

Edited October 13, 2012 by hyperdimension

[ripstanley]

As I inferred before; suicidal or homicidal. There is no in between. However, it is amazing that there are so many facts stating what this man did prior to his leap while he was alone. Did they use a clairvoyant for this article?

Mr Puwanart had a fight with his girlfriend about getting more ice for the drinks that they were having in his third-floor room with a group of people who worked at the apartment complex, explained Lt Col Chetsada Saengsuree of the Phuket City Police.

“He argued with his girlfriend in front of the workers, which humiliated Mr Puwanart a great deal. Then his girlfriend left the room in order to avoid any more arguing,” Col Chetsada said.

If you read the article you would see that other people were in the room.

[tonglen]

"Getting ice..."

Odds on there was considerable quantities of booze involved.

There wouldn't be half these stories in the local Phuket and Pattaya rags and everywhere else if people drank sensibly and in moderation like me.

There's nothing but a tale of woe at the bottom of every glass and bottle.

If they were smoking cannabis or taking MDMA instead of drinking alcohol then such an incident would have been less likely to have occured. Alcohol is a bad recreational drug in a number of ways:

• it is toxic to many parts of the human body. See http://pubs.niaaa.ni...ndHangovers.htm
  
• It increases the chance of engaging in bad anti-social behavior, including violence
  
• the euphoria only lasts for only around an hour and is only mild, and afterwards it's more of a sedating effect
  

The problem is that currently there aren't really any better alternative recreational drugs that are legal. Legalizing cannabis and MDMA would provide much less harmful and more enjoyable alternatives.

*MDMA has been shown to cause SEVERE brain damage with regular use - period.

*And while I agree that cannabis should be legalized, it cannot ever be metabolized and processed (when smoked) as a food - alcohol can.

*To claim that moderate alcohol use is harmful is foolish, uneducated and pattently false. Alcohol is only harmful when ingested in larger quantities. In fact, it is beneficial when taken in moderation.

Google "harvard study on the beneficial aspects of moderate alcohol use."

*As far as anti-social behavior, it is only the <deleted> that git into fights when drinking. As has been mentioned before, these bar room brawlers were <deleted> BEFORE they drank. Alcohol was merely a key to unlock their asshol_e-ish-ness.

[Bung]

God, Is that a photo of his girlfriend after the guy jumped? She looks upset. I can't think of any reason to publish a photo of her like that, Disgusting journalism if that is the case.

[sangfroid]

"Getting ice..."

Odds on there was considerable quantities of booze involved.

There wouldn't be half these stories in the local Phuket and Pattaya rags and everywhere else if people drank sensibly and in moderation like me.

There's nothing but a tale of woe at the bottom of every glass and bottle.

+1

Nothing good ever happens when you're drunk.

[LivinginKata]

Insensitive post and a reply removed. Let's keep it respectful folks.

[nattapong]

"Getting ice..."

Odds on there was considerable quantities of booze involved.

There wouldn't be half these stories in the local Phuket and Pattaya rags and everywhere else if people drank sensibly and in moderation like me.

There's nothing but a tale of woe at the bottom of every glass and bottle.

If they were smoking cannabis or taking MDMA instead of drinking alcohol then such an incident would have been less likely to have occured. Alcohol is a bad recreational drug in a number of ways:

• it is toxic to many parts of the human body. See http://pubs.niaaa.ni...ndHangovers.htm
  
• It increases the chance of engaging in bad anti-social behavior, including violence
  
• the euphoria only lasts for only around an hour and is only mild, and afterwards it's more of a sedating effect
  

The problem is that currently there aren't really any better alternative recreational drugs that are legal. Legalizing cannabis and MDMA would provide much less harmful and more enjoyable alternatives.

*MDMA has been shown to cause SEVERE brain damage with regular use - period.

*And while I agree that cannabis should be legalized, it cannot ever be metabolized and processed (when smoked) as a food - alcohol can.

*To claim that moderate alcohol use is harmful is foolish, uneducated and pattently false. Alcohol is only harmful when ingested in larger quantities. In fact, it is beneficial when taken in moderation.

Google "harvard study on the beneficial aspects of moderate alcohol use."

*As far as anti-social behavior, it is only the <deleted> that git into fights when drinking. As has been mentioned before, these bar room brawlers were <deleted> BEFORE they drank. Alcohol was merely a key to unlock their asshol_e-ish-ness.

Appealing to authority i.e (to a Harvard study) is a logical fallacy. Equally esteemed institutions would likely disagree. Additionally, you have not provided any scholarly references to support your conclusions regarding a[rse]-holes. I suggest you Google, "Ad hominem".

[tonglen]

"Getting ice..."

Odds on there was considerable quantities of booze involved.

There wouldn't be half these stories in the local Phuket and Pattaya rags and everywhere else if people drank sensibly and in moderation like me.

There's nothing but a tale of woe at the bottom of every glass and bottle.

If they were smoking cannabis or taking MDMA instead of drinking alcohol then such an incident would have been less likely to have occured. Alcohol is a bad recreational drug in a number of ways:

• it is toxic to many parts of the human body. See http://pubs.niaaa.ni...ndHangovers.htm
  
• It increases the chance of engaging in bad anti-social behavior, including violence
  
• the euphoria only lasts for only around an hour and is only mild, and afterwards it's more of a sedating effect
  

The problem is that currently there aren't really any better alternative recreational drugs that are legal. Legalizing cannabis and MDMA would provide much less harmful and more enjoyable alternatives.

*MDMA has been shown to cause SEVERE brain damage with regular use - period.

*And while I agree that cannabis should be legalized, it cannot ever be metabolized and processed (when smoked) as a food - alcohol can.

*To claim that moderate alcohol use is harmful is foolish, uneducated and pattently false. Alcohol is only harmful when ingested in larger quantities. In fact, it is beneficial when taken in moderation.

Google "harvard study on the beneficial aspects of moderate alcohol use."

*As far as anti-social behavior, it is only the <deleted> that git into fights when drinking. As has been mentioned before, these bar room brawlers were <deleted> BEFORE they drank. Alcohol was merely a key to unlock their asshol_e-ish-ness.

Appealing to authority i.e (to a Harvard study) is a logical fallacy. Equally esteemed institutions would likely disagree. Additionally, you have not provided any scholarly references to support your conclusions regarding a[rse]-holes. I suggest you Google, "Ad hominem".

Ah yes, because Harvard is known for incessantly churning out idiots. And all the other studies on lowered cholesterol and the benefits of Resveritrol are manufactured as well? Your claims are silly and daft at best; completely innane, more accurately.

So, let me get this straight so that everyone here can see what a sophomoric researcher you are: You're claiming that a glass of red wine or a beer is DAMAGING to one's health, BUT, ECSTACY, (MDMA) completely unstandardized, manufactured in the back hallways of Amsterdam or someones basement is GOOD for one's health? Uh, huh, right.

What a silly boy you are. Now THATS an ad hominem attack. Of course, I could abandon my ad hominem comments to you and let your claims disintegrate and collapse of their own volition.

My previous comments relating to the revealing effects of alcohol were NOT ad hominem in nature. They were merely pointing to the revealing nature of alcohol and that, some people should NOT drink because theyre transformed into <deleted>. My Grandfather was one of such individuals. He was horrible when he drank and was fine when he didnt.

And as for "equally esteemed institutions disagreeing with Harvards findings: try Googling "Yale study on the beneficial effects of alcohol use."

It turns out that Yale AGREED on the moderate use of alcohol.

Read more, blog less, pal.

[tonglen]

"Getting ice..."

Odds on there was considerable quantities of booze involved.

There wouldn't be half these stories in the local Phuket and Pattaya rags and everywhere else if people drank sensibly and in moderation like me.

There's nothing but a tale of woe at the bottom of every glass and bottle.

If they were smoking cannabis or taking MDMA instead of drinking alcohol then such an incident would have been less likely to have occured. Alcohol is a bad recreational drug in a number of ways:

• it is toxic to many parts of the human body. See http://pubs.niaaa.ni...ndHangovers.htm
  
• It increases the chance of engaging in bad anti-social behavior, including violence
  
• the euphoria only lasts for only around an hour and is only mild, and afterwards it's more of a sedating effect
  

The problem is that currently there aren't really any better alternative recreational drugs that are legal. Legalizing cannabis and MDMA would provide much less harmful and more enjoyable alternatives.

Wow, guess what I just found? An article from a website YOU quoted (above) that contradicts what you just posted, i.e., that ALL alcohol is BAD for the body and that, um, Ecstasy is good for it, ahem.

You've never had a debate class, have you? If you had you would have done your research better.

http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/about-niaaa/our-funding/congressional-testimony/fy-2004-presidents-budget-request-niaaa-directors

"But alcohol also presents a paradox. While heavy drinking substantially raises the risk of heart disease and stroke, studies suggest that moderate drinking appears to reduce them. Thus a major contributor to disease appears to have the potential to improve certain aspects of health."

[IsaanUSA]

God, Is that a photo of his girlfriend after the guy jumped? She looks upset. I can't think of any reason to publish a photo of her like that, Disgusting journalism if that is the case.

Did you see the blood all over her arm? Photographer must have snapped the picture while she was down there on the sidewalk crying.

[uptheos]

And god forbid the fate worse than death--LOSS of face-

Some foreigners here will do well to read your words. It demonstrates quite vividly how dangerous it is to make a Thai lose face, especially if alcohol is involved. In this case the person took the aggression out on himself, but more often than not it's the other way around...........and you won't even see it coming!

[belg]

"i believe i can fly" was maybe playing in the background, and maybe he had some special ICE

not the kind you put in your cold drink

anyway RIP the guy for not surviving a 3 floor jump

will he become an angry ghost and haunt his ex girlfriend now for the rest of her life ?

[hyperdimension]

"Getting ice..."

Odds on there was considerable quantities of booze involved.

There wouldn't be half these stories in the local Phuket and Pattaya rags and everywhere else if people drank sensibly and in moderation like me.

There's nothing but a tale of woe at the bottom of every glass and bottle.

If they were smoking cannabis or taking MDMA instead of drinking alcohol then such an incident would have been less likely to have occured. Alcohol is a bad recreational drug in a number of ways:

• it is toxic to many parts of the human body. See http://pubs.niaaa.ni...ndHangovers.htm
  
• It increases the chance of engaging in bad anti-social behavior, including violence
  
• the euphoria only lasts for only around an hour and is only mild, and afterwards it's more of a sedating effect
  

The problem is that currently there aren't really any better alternative recreational drugs that are legal. Legalizing cannabis and MDMA would provide much less harmful and more enjoyable alternatives.

*MDMA has been shown to cause SEVERE brain damage with regular use - period.

*And while I agree that cannabis should be legalized, it cannot ever be metabolized and processed (when smoked) as a food - alcohol can.

*To claim that moderate alcohol use is harmful is foolish, uneducated and pattently false. Alcohol is only harmful when ingested in larger quantities. In fact, it is beneficial when taken in moderation.

Google "harvard study on the beneficial aspects of moderate alcohol use."

*As far as anti-social behavior, it is only the <deleted> that git into fights when drinking. As has been mentioned before, these bar room brawlers were <deleted> BEFORE they drank. Alcohol was merely a key to unlock their asshol_e-ish-ness.

Have you had a look at these studies?:

Drug harms in the UK: a multicriteria decision analysis:

Quantifying the RR of harm to self and others from substance misuse: results from a survey of clinical experts across Scotland:

[hyperdimension]

these bar room brawlers were <deleted> BEFORE they drank. Alcohol was merely a key to unlock their asshol_e-ish-ness.

That is just one reason to why alcohol is harmful to society, and backs up my statement that

If they were smoking cannabis or taking MDMA instead of drinking alcohol then such an incident would have been less likely to have occured.

Cannabis or MDMA are much less likely to "unlock asshol_e-ish-ness".

[hyperdimension]

My Grandfather was one of such individuals. He was horrible when he drank and was fine when he didnt.

This again supports my points about the harmfulness of alcohol to society when compared with Cannabis or MDMA.

[hyperdimension]

*MDMA has been shown to cause SEVERE brain damage with regular use - period.

[tonglen]

"Getting ice..."

Odds on there was considerable quantities of booze involved.

There wouldn't be half these stories in the local Phuket and Pattaya rags and everywhere else if people drank sensibly and in moderation like me.

There's nothing but a tale of woe at the bottom of every glass and bottle.

If they were smoking cannabis or taking MDMA instead of drinking alcohol then such an incident would have been less likely to have occured. Alcohol is a bad recreational drug in a number of ways:

• it is toxic to many parts of the human body. See http://pubs.niaaa.ni...ndHangovers.htm
  
• It increases the chance of engaging in bad anti-social behavior, including violence
  
• the euphoria only lasts for only around an hour and is only mild, and afterwards it's more of a sedating effect
  

The problem is that currently there aren't really any better alternative recreational drugs that are legal. Legalizing cannabis and MDMA would provide much less harmful and more enjoyable alternatives.

*MDMA has been shown to cause SEVERE brain damage with regular use - period.

*And while I agree that cannabis should be legalized, it cannot ever be metabolized and processed (when smoked) as a food - alcohol can.

*To claim that moderate alcohol use is harmful is foolish, uneducated and pattently false. Alcohol is only harmful when ingested in larger quantities. In fact, it is beneficial when taken in moderation.

Google "harvard study on the beneficial aspects of moderate alcohol use."

*As far as anti-social behavior, it is only the <deleted> that git into fights when drinking. As has been mentioned before, these bar room brawlers were <deleted> BEFORE they drank. Alcohol was merely a key to unlock their asshol_e-ish-ness.

Have you had a look at these studies?:

Drug harms in the UK: a multicriteria decision analysis:

Quantifying the RR of harm to self and others from substance misuse: results from a survey of clinical experts across Scotland:

WOW! You mean the test (from your article findings) 'including two invited specialists, met in a 1-day interactive workshop?'

Amazing. They spent ONE WHOLE DAY! Im so impressed. Workshop?!

In those tests where are the:

1.) amounts

2.) ages of participants

3.) types of drugs/alchol

4.) how ingested (for drugs)

5.) time period

You still have not responded to YOUR earlier article I referred you to that states the paradoxical effect of alcohol in moderation. Im waiting. Answer it. After all, its YOUR article and your QUOTE from your website.

You CANNOT find ONE credible source stating that alcohol IN MODERATION IS HARMFUL. None. Notta. Sorry. It doesnt exist in this universe.

[tonglen]

My Grandfather was one of such individuals. He was horrible when he drank and was fine when he didnt.

This again supports my points about the harmfulness of alcohol to society when compared with Cannabis or MDMA.

It wasnt good for Gramps, thats for sure.

Are you saying it turns 100% of EVERYONE into the same? Prove it.

[tonglen]

these bar room brawlers were <deleted> BEFORE they drank. Alcohol was merely a key to unlock their asshol_e-ish-ness.

That is just one reason to why alcohol is harmful to society, and backs up my statement that

If they were smoking cannabis or taking MDMA instead of drinking alcohol then such an incident would have been less likely to have occured.

Cannabis or MDMA are much less likely to "unlock asshol_e-ish-ness".

Agreed.

[tonglen]

My Grandfather was one of such individuals. He was horrible when he drank and was fine when he didnt.

This again supports my points about the harmfulness of alcohol to society when compared with Cannabis or MDMA.

Your website quote................

http://www.niaaa.nih...niaaa-directors

"But alcohol also presents a paradox. While heavy drinking substantially raises the risk of heart disease and stroke, studies suggest that moderate drinking appears to reduce them. Thus a major contributor to disease appears to have the potential to improve certain aspects of health."

Ill patiently await your response.

[hyperdimension]

Your website quote................

http://www.niaaa.nih...niaaa-directors

"But alcohol also presents a paradox. While heavy drinking substantially raises the risk of heart disease and stroke, studies suggest that moderate drinking appears to reduce them. Thus a major contributor to disease appears to have the potential to improve certain aspects of health."

I do recall coming across that particular line when I was reading that page during my own research of various drugs. I am also aware of the claim of the benefits of drinking red wine in particular.

I do not deny that there may be some health benefits in drinking some alcohol. I also understand that taking anything to excess, especially regularly, including things that would generally be considered to be healthy or harmless, can be harmful to ones' health. However, the few benefits of alcohol far outweigh the negative effects, both short term and long term. The psychological effects of alcohol itself can make someone drink more than they originally intended to, causing more harm. Due to its toxicity, alcohol has a lower safety margin than other drugs. From the article Not All Drugs Are Created Equal:

For alcohol, the safety margin is 10 (330 divided by 33 equals 10). In other words, it takes 10 times as much alcohol to kill you as it does to give you a buzz.

the safety margin of recreational substances as normally used is: 6 for heroin; 10 for alcohol; 15 for cocaine; 16 for MDMA; 20 for codeine; and 1,000 for LSD or marijuana

I myself still drink alcohol as it is the "default" and socially-accepted recreational drug in Thailand, and there isn't really any legal alternative. I used to drink to the point of almost vomiting (and often went over) every week. I have moderated my consumption after only recently learning of the many harmful effects. Now what proportion of people out there drink alcohol yet are still ignorant of the many harmful effects of alcohol? A lot of them are doing harm to themselves (and others) possibly without even being aware of it (until maybe it's too late). It is an extreme misconception that legal drugs are safe and illegal drugs are dangerous, yet many people still hold such beliefs when in actual scientific fact there is very little correlation between legal status and harmfulness. Education using scientific facts is better than unfounded propaganda and law to reduce harm to themselves and society.

I don't see why there's much need to passionately defend alcohol as even though I still consume it due to lack of choice, its effects aren't even enjoyable when compared with MDMA or cannabis. If you haven't tried MDMA or cannabis then you could go try them in Europe (e.g. Netherlands) some time and then let's see if alcohol would still be your most or highly preferred recreational drug.

Edited October 17, 2012 by hyperdimension

[cdnski12]

Thai GF Training 101.

Lesson 1: Take out large life insurance policy on boyfriend, c/w you as the beneficiary.

Lesson 2: Rent apartment on at least 6th story of Apartment block.

Lesson 3: Make sure Apartment Balconcy has flimsy ... or at least low railings.

Lesson 4: Alwyas allow BF to drink copious amounts of alcohol.

I could go on but think you have the gist of the training.

[tonglen]

Your website quote................

http://www.niaaa.nih...niaaa-directors

"But alcohol also presents a paradox. While heavy drinking substantially raises the risk of heart disease and stroke, studies suggest that moderate drinking appears to reduce them. Thus a major contributor to disease appears to have the potential to improve certain aspects of health."

I do recall coming across that particular line when I was reading that page during my own research of various drugs. I am also aware of the claim of the benefits of drinking red wine in particular.

I do not deny that there may be some health benefits in drinking some alcohol. I also understand that taking anything to excess, especially regularly, including things that would generally be considered to be healthy or harmless, can be harmful to ones' health. However, the few benefits of alcohol far outweigh the negative effects, both short term and long term. The psychological effects of alcohol itself can make someone drink more than they originally intended to, causing more harm. Due to its toxicity, alcohol has a lower safety margin than other drugs. From the article Not All Drugs Are Created Equal:

For alcohol, the safety margin is 10 (330 divided by 33 equals 10). In other words, it takes 10 times as much alcohol to kill you as it does to give you a buzz.

the safety margin of recreational substances as normally used is: 6 for heroin; 10 for alcohol; 15 for cocaine; 16 for MDMA; 20 for codeine; and 1,000 for LSD or marijuana

I myself still drink alcohol as it is the "default" and socially-accepted recreational drug in Thailand, and there isn't really any legal alternative. I used to drink to the point of almost vomiting (and often went over) every week. I have moderated my consumption after only recently learning of the many harmful effects. Now what proportion of people out there drink alcohol yet are still ignorant of the many harmful effects of alcohol? A lot of them are doing harm to themselves (and others) possibly without even being aware of it (until maybe it's too late). It is an extreme misconception that legal drugs are safe and illegal drugs are dangerous, yet many people still hold such beliefs when in actual scientific fact there is very little correlation between legal status and harmfulness. Education using scientific facts is better than unfounded propaganda and law to reduce harm to themselves and society.

I don't see why there's much need to passionately defend alcohol as even though I still consume it due to lack of choice, its effects aren't even enjoyable when compared with MDMA or cannabis. If you haven't tried MDMA or cannabis then you could go try them in Europe (e.g. Netherlands) some time and then let's see if alcohol would still be your most or highly preferred recreational drug.

I agree that there should be a more informed audience concerning cannabis. As of now there are, I believe, 17 states in the USA that have decriminalized/legalized cannabis and at least 2 on the upcoming ballot that are going for COMPLETE legalization. I hope they succeed.

Do you know who one of the primary opponents of NORML (national org for the reformation marijuana laws) and legalization is?

BUDWEISER. They want THEIR drug to be consumed only. Sickening, yes?

There are alternatives to alcohol if you prefer....

Mimosa Tree

DMT in many forms

San Pedro

Kratom

Ayahuasca

Salvia

Khat

The list goes on but we will have to agree to disagree on the malicious, toxic nature of a responsibly consumed glass of wine or beer or whiskey.

Safe journeys.