The Farang Issue

[supaprik]

Thailand is a pipe dream for me, before moving in I thought the girls really liked us farangs but now as a broke expat I realize only money talks, sadly I lost most if it to a failed business venture with a BG

You can't seriously be crestfallen about "money talking". Yes, money talks but it talks very crisply and professionally. Why would a girl be into someone who can't be witty, funny, entertaining in her native language; has no idea about pop culture, celebrity gossip, trends, etc etc etc. It's madness to imagine they could be into anyone that cannot deliver entertainment except for their money. But if you think that money is valued for anything but money...tsk. They will take your money and so long as you don't make them feel like a whore, they'll prostitute themselves in a way - in the way we all do - but they'll be looking for love elsewhere. Do guys really think money can buy love? I thought that was a bad cliche. Money can buy you sex and (really poorly feigned) affection; that is it. Anyone imagining otherwise is being played.

I'm kind of twisted I think and I don't know what it says about me but the day I discovered that Thais held Caucasians in mild contempt, I fell in love with Thailand. It might be as simple as my holding Caucasians in mild contempt but then I'm only really referring to leeches who are very, very Needy. Thais aren't as emotionally Needy. But I think it's kinda hilarious for the shrewd exploiting types of guys that come here to Vietnam imagining they can exploit (and kinda brutal I guess for the sweeter ones who are thrown to the lions) thinking they'll find easy, simple girls because the girls back home just aren't amenable or w/e.

I snicker at the former and feel sorry for the latter. But they all just get destroyed. I'm sure there are exceptions. I'm sure the exceptions are not nearly as numerous as they imagine. Mostly they all seem to get destroyed. There's a term "honeypot" which is a predator who is representing a victim for the purpose of attracting those who prey on exploitability. If you want to see some of the best examples of "honeypots" on the planet, go to a Thai dating site for Caucasians. If you didn't know better, those girls would all be insane (i.e. exploitable)!

They scream orders into the air that are just nuts. They write these profiles that amount to dictated warnings and direct orders to guys how they are and are not to behave. NO RUDE STUPID GUYS OKAY!?! IF YOU WANT SEX JUST GO AWAY!! Stuff like this. If you didn't understand what they were doing, you'd think they were insane. How can they imagine they'll control guys who will all pretend they don't want sex! That's exactly what they're doing. They want the idiotic liars, the "players", the shrewd 'manipulators'; they can play those morons all day. At face value though, it's horrifying. They've all been loved and been betrayed, if you believed them. They want love, they want the fairytale BUT THEY ARE NOT STUPID ANYMORE. They'll warn you! They know guys are heartbreakers. They want to make sure the next one is the real deal but THEY WILL BE PROTECTING THEIR HEART FROM NOW ON. They've been burned before. Hah. No one sane would go near such a girl. That's exactly what they want. The long line of insane guys licking their lips thinking "Aha, this will be like shooting fish in a barrel."

They'll let you imagine they're fish in a barrel. But if you were that sort of guy who didn't appreciate the leveling going on, I'm afraid you'd have lost before you start. These girls are geniuses. They demand Truth and Lies in the same sentence. They insult Thai girls whilst demanding to be treated with respect in the same sentence. It's fascinating. But the minute they find out you're genuine, this sort of girl will lose interest in such brutal and rapid fashion, it's actually quite decent but it's very confronting for someone who is used to a more insane way of being let down 'gently'. A Thai girl who loses interest in you in a club will walk away in the middle of your sentence. All over the world, I've never seen anything like it. The instant they realise you're not trying to deceive them, "Omg do you like me? *giggle*" > shoving one of their lower socially ranked friends at you (which is a crude power play I really don't care for) or they're just gone. No farewells, no feigning interest looking for excuses to leave, they just leave. I've stood there with my mouth open mid-sentence like a fool just stunned.

It's very decent. Why would you want to be lied to if they're not interested? To feel good living in fantasy? Pfft. Call your mother up for some emotional validation if that's your thing. They're so much more decent than "polite" insanity. But it will traumatise you if you're traumatised. And we're all traumatised compared to the Thais. Everyone is conditioned but we are conditioned in much more...um...religiously emotionally tenderised ways. Come here if you're looking to exploit and you will just get destroyed. They're not exploitable. The fact that they're marketed as such should have been the first clue I suspect for guys imagining they can come here and be heroes of their 'superiority' delusions. Ah poor little Momma's boys. I wonder how many end up screaming in existential pain imagining they were played when of course they were played! But you can't get played unless you play.

The game is the game. Lies. Levels upon levels of deceit. Control. Manipulation. Inflicting strategic pain. Mind games. Misinformation. Induced confusion. Trauma. Love is the end game, and the end I suspect. The end of whomever blinks first. And no I don't think the way our mothers loved us in the West is ever going to afford Caucasians the 'advantage' in games of emotional manipulation and deceit in the East. I have no interest in that mess so you can imagine how 'well' I do. I basically sleep alone. But I love it here. They're just so intelligent compared to the inflatable lifeless entitled emotional dolls where I come from; who will sit there all night without saying anything because they have nothing to contribute except expressing their opinion on whether or not they approve or disapprove or are being appropriately entertained. I didn't come here for the girls but they're the best. I'll just never be of interest to them, I don't think. A Thai girl looking for a "farang" isn't going to be looking for a donk who is pathologically obsessed with Honesty to the point of being 'rude'.

They're not going to be looking for a guy with only love to give either sorry dude. Guess we're in the same boat, in some respects. But you might not be missing what you imagine if you imagine money talks anything worth communicating. No one values Truth, that's for sure. You could honeypot them if you fancied your game but I wouldn't recommend it.

Also, it's possible I'm rambling utter nonsense. What do I know about anything.

That was just a silly disclaimer. The truth is I know a great deal more about the game being played and Love than anyone who imagines Love is <3 / sweet / aww. Love is the lie sociopaths tell themselves to be convincing. But no one likes to hear that, for what I would imagine are obvious reasons. So if it makes you feel better to imagine I'm talking nonsense, do what you gotta do.

&lt;deleted&gt; did I just read? Is this Thai Visa or Stickman?

[pigeonjake]

this will turn into another good one,,

i bet its closed by the time i get back to work tonite,,

have fun boys and play fare,

jake,,

but i will say one thing the girl is very nice,,lol,

[chiangmaikelly]

Her name is Zeng Ke Ke she us from Chengdu China.

[DrTuner]

I've got a small favor to ask. When you post such photos, could you please crop it from the neck down. That nose job is way too frightening to behold. Thank you.

Otherwise, the message was that internet dating sucks ?

[TheyCallmeScooter]

Come here if you're looking to exploit and you will just get destroyed. They're not exploitable. The fact that they're marketed as such should have been the first clue I suspect for guys imagining they can come here and be heroes of their 'superiority' delusions. Ah poor little Momma's boys. I wonder how many end up screaming in existential pain imagining they were played when of course they were played! But you can't get played unless you play.

The game is the game. Lies. Levels upon levels of deceit. Control. Manipulation. Inflicting strategic pain. Mind games. Misinformation. Induced confusion. Trauma. Love is the end game, and the end I suspect. The end of whomever blinks first. And no I don't think the way our mothers loved us in the West is ever going to afford Caucasians the 'advantage' in games of emotional manipulation and deceit in the East. I have no interest in that mess so you can imagine how 'well' I do. I basically sleep alone. But I love it here. They're just so intelligent compared to the inflatable lifeless entitled emotional dolls where I come from; who will sit there all night without saying anything because they have nothing to contribute except expressing their opinion on whether or not they approve or disapprove or are being appropriately entertained. I didn't come here for the girls but they're the best. I'll just never be of interest to them, I don't think. A Thai girl looking for a "farang" isn't going to be looking for a donk who is pathologically obsessed with Honesty to the point of being 'rude'.

They're not going to be looking for a guy with only love to give either sorry dude. Guess we're in the same boat, in some respects. But you might not be missing what you imagine if you imagine money talks anything worth communicating. No one values Truth, that's for sure. You could honeypot them if you fancied your game but I wouldn't recommend it.

Also, it's possible I'm rambling utter nonsense. What do I know about anything.

&lt;deleted&gt; did I just read? Is this Thai Visa or Stickman?

Sleep-deprived but genuine (for better or for worse) musings. Stickman writes that sort of thing? I'll have to give his blog another chance. Perhaps I unfairly judged him from the one time I read something he wrote about how crafty and smug he felt at pretending not to be able to understand Thai whilst some girls prattled on about nothing or gambling or w/e. "Fascinating!", was my impression. "Way to capitalise on creepy (if mild) deceit."

But then I'm very judgemental. Perhaps unfairly if he writes in the vein of the mildly cringe-inducing style I dabble in routinely.

Her name is Zeng Ke Ke she us from Chengdu China.

I literally cannot tell Thai and Chinese girls apart; am I retarded? The last half dozen girls I thought were stunning have turned out to be Chinese, not Thai. Maybe i should go to China to sleep alone

Thai or Chinese?

nb. I am incapable of knowing what is considered appropriate in this contradictory and chaotic age - is it acceptable to post random pics like this? Friends send them to me, or I see them on Imgur or another forum. I figure the stunning girls would be happy because it's not like we're denigrating them so much as celebrating their amazing...but I don't want to break rules or cause annoyance, is this considered acceptable?

I've got a small favor to ask. When you post such photos, could you please crop it from the neck down. That nose job is way too frightening to behold. Thank you.

Otherwise, the message was that internet dating sucks ?

I agree on the nose jobs. I like Asian noses, but I think it's like the skin whitening cream. Supply doesn't meet Demand anymore. Supply forces Demand via marketing and brilliant advertising and conditioning and subliminal and groupthink tricks (Gangnam style?); it's fascinating and horrifying and if Society doesn't wake up soon and literally Prohibit all marketing or at least regulate the lies and deceit (because why should they be allowed to lie to children and grownup Toddlers like me?) we're all going to be zombies very soon (if that boat hasn't sailed).

Actually my impression is that "dating" sucks. I am a failboat in Thailand but I didn't leave Australia because I couldn't manipulate girls; I left because I was doing things that horrified me but then everyone is trying to do them to everyone. Just dumb tricks we all get taught by our "elders" at a very young age and go on to perfect. It's like elite sports but for emotionally degrading technical excellence. We're smashing PBs every generation we shrewdly infect with our shrewd.

We live in a world of deceit where no one values Truth. How can dating not suck? Actually it's far more horrifying. I have been on a private obsession / social experiment this year where I try desperately to NEVER lie. Try it sometime. You will offend so many people by telling them information in their own best interests; it's surreal. I've lost 90% of my 'friends' because I stopped exploiting them and became their friend instead.

Tell the Truth all the time and if you're lucky most people will assume you're just nuts. If you're unlucky, you could get killed or incarcerated or beaten or...we literally demand to be lied to. Then we scream like Toddlers when we're lied to. I'm not remotely sane (no one is), but compared to the 99% of liars who lie for the benefit of others (vomit), I'm a shining pillar of 50% insanity 50% sanity who offends everybody and confuses the rest. And of course, sleeps alone.

I beg you to try this Truth game. You'll be horrified within a couple days by the insane reactions of those who have been lied to for life, and cannot - do not even want to - handle the Truth.

[submaniac]

Thai or Chinese?

Edited again to remove "blah blah".

See, isn't this a more concise and to the point post?

Perhaps you should send your posts to me or david48 for final editing prior to posting.

Edited October 17, 2012 by submaniac

[DrTuner]

Ah ok, right, well dating is a mechanical process once you memorize the right lines, the human equivalent of these fellows sorting out who is who:

http://natgeo.fi/files/bonnier-ngm/imagecache/630x420/img_2541-1.jpg

Sucks, that's why it's better to skip it and move straight to the action.

On the game front, maybe this book would interest you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Games_People_Play_%28book%29 . I also recommend "Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion" by Cialdini. Armed with the basic info from there you ought to be able to come on the top (no pun intended) in the war between .. well pretty much any warring factions, no lying needed. Cialdini's book is fun to read, too.

Not really Thailand/Farang related, but same principles apply anywhere.

[DrTuner]

Btw, Chinese, from Hong Kong: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelababy

Google images has a search function where you can give the photo's URL and it'll find them in the net. So much for the usefulness of photographic memory.

[TheyCallmeScooter]

Thai or Chinese?

Edited again to remove "blah blah".

See, isn't this a more concise and to the point post?

Perhaps you should send your posts to me or david48 for final editing prior to posting.

You saw right through my 'plan'. I learned on another forum that people wouldn't get as annoyed at me if I included pretty pictures to offset the ugly 'prose'. I've been getting away with it for months! Clearly a much sharper audience here. FML

On the game front, maybe this book would interest you: http://en.wikipedia....ple_Play_(book) . I also recommend "Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion" by Cialdini. Armed with the basic info from there you ought to be able to come on the top (no pun intended) in the war between .. well pretty much any warring factions, no lying needed. Cialdini's book is fun to read, too.

Not really Thailand/Farang related, but same principles apply anywhere.

Humans are all the same. But I don't want to read books like that. I was 11 when I read Dale Carnegie's "How to Deceive Imbeciles and Manipulate People" after I read the KJV Holy Bible three times prior. I flicked the pamphlet away in disgust and horror and contempt after an hour.

I knew all those tricks already.

But then I was 'trained' by the best in the business. The business is religion. The game is exploitation. The most visible victims are the women and children because religion is really advanced in that way. Men > women because they're stronger! Everyone > children because they're "elders". They warrant respect by virtue of failing to generate a more valid reason to demand any, for longer. Then you have the Numbers 31 job on the ~150,000,000 Americans who had to be eradicated for Civilised human slavery and Civil war. Religion is the sickness of those who don't understand that just because you can take candy from a baby in no way makes it a good idea.

Btw, Chinese, from Hong Kong: http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Angelababy

Google images has a search function where you can give the photo's URL and it'll find them in the net. So much for the usefulness of photographic memory.

I got so excited by this. But you were leveling me? Maybe I'm too incompetent. I spent SO MUCH TIME looking for this girl in vain. She must be Chinese as well?

Nice trick you played. Well done. I'm so gullible. I think I wanted to believe. I think I'd stopped thinking altogether. Well I hope you're very pleased with yourself. I really only have myself to blame. I wasted a hour of my valuable time looking, and looking. I couldn't stop looking. But I just couldn't find her. I had to go through every single one of these and a few hundred more before I finally realised you must have tricked me! I was so angry, I looked through a few hundred more.

But I'll turn the other cheek and 'forgive' you.

Now I have a few hundred before dinner to get through so if you'll excuse me, I have more valuable time to waste.

[DrTuner]

Unfortunately your girl hails from a site Google doesn't index. Which probably means adult sites, which don't exist in Thailand. Hence, she is not Thai, I suppose. You'll have to tour around the Globe. But I do hope one of the surrogates from big G does the thing for you.

[fletchsmile]

My thoughts on this subject, and since OP numbered theirs, and on a similar theme of circularity:

1) Learn to distinguish between girlfriends and wives in Thailand. Particularly if you're thinking about putting assets in other people's names. So...

2) Often it's not a good idea to put significant assets in your gf's name. But...

3) On the other hand putting assets in your wife's name can make a lot of sense for many reasons, including inheritance tax, splitting assets, matching who can do what in ownership, trust, marriage being a partnership etc. Although...

4) If you're not comfortable putting assets in your wife's name, then she probably shouldn't be your wife in the first place. So go back to 1) and learn to distinguish between girlfriends and wives in Thailand....

Edit: After looking at the 2nd page and the pictorial direction this thread has taken, my apologies for taking it back on topic.

Cheers

Fletch

Edited October 17, 2012 by fletchsmile

[BigJohnnyBKK]

I agree with most of your points, well written.

Money can buy you sex and (really poorly feigned) affection; that is it.

If she can't feign it perfectly expertly - or at least with as much skill as the former aspect - then you're probably not getting your money's worth.

I've had many relationships start out as purely transactional, and evolve over time into much more, sometimes to the point it continues to be rewarding long after money and sex have been removed from the occasion.

But I do "put in" a lot more than just money - although I certainly can't claim to be all that "entertaining", not all humans are seeking only entertainment in their relationships.

and very nice photo. . .

Edited October 19, 2012 by BigJohnnyBKK