Obama Likely To Win Another Presidential Term: Gallup Poll

[Chicog]

I think he was probably too busy trying to stop the country collapsing, maybe. You do know it's still a mess out there, don't you?

Edited November 6, 2012 by Chicog

[teatree]

When Fox news called the 2000 election early in favour of Bush over Gore, they were panned across the board. Yet in this election we have most of the media pumping up Obama's chances, saying that it is 80%, 90%, 92% certain or whatever, in a vote that is incredibley close and far from decided, and that's just fine with the Democrats.

I'm not a Robama supporter, neither am I a Obomney supporter. I just think its a pity people have so bought into the whole left-right paradigm and can't see beyond it.

[Chicog]

I think it would be a crying shame if the Republicans spent four more years screwing the American people by blocking any positive moves by Obama - if he gets re-elected, this time they should realise that the tactic not only fails to work but causes a lot of unnecessary suffering to boot.

Unfortunately American politics *is* partisan, even though both parties will go to great lengths to appear moderate and centrist in order to get elected.

Politicians, scum sucking bottom feeders, the lot of them.

People need to look at the actual policies of each candidate with which they agree - and then vote out the people who are blocking them.

Of course, with Romney, you can't do that, no-one actually knows what he's going to do. Perhaps a master stroke.

Edited November 6, 2012 by Chicog

[Jingthing]

OK, some clues are already in.

Independent voters are breaking mildly for Romney. Somewhat expected.

Undecided voters are breaking more than mildly for Obama and about a third won't vote at all. Bad news for Romney, he was counting on undecideds going with the challenger in a close race.

Voter turnout in early voting heavy, favoring Obama.

Also most deliciously:

Public polling leading up to Election Day has indicated that early voters in Ohio broke for Obama by large margins.

http://www.washingto...0869_story.html Edited November 6, 2012 by Jingthing

[maidu]

Was interested to hear Obama say on TV : "Now is the time to start rebuilding America" Thought it may have been better if he had started when he first took office. Then I realised that before you can rebuild something you must first tear it down. So thats what he's been doing.

In case you forgot, Obama came to power weeks after the bottom fell out of Wall Street, and forclosures were as common as hot dogs at a baseball stadium. If you think Obama made messes, you should be darn glad McCain/Palin didn't get in there in 2008 - the mess would be much worse. Obama also inherited 2 wars, and has been endeavoring to get troops back from there. The money saved from not spending on 2 wars will, according to Obama, be saved or used to pay down the obscene nat'l debt. Not so with Romney/Ryan. The money not spent on the two wars will be plowed back to the military (even tho the military says they don't need it), and expect additional runaway spending if another Republican president gets picked. Plus, neither Romney or Ryan have a clue how to pay for their proposed excesses. They'll be forced to cut an average of 40 to 58% from all federal programs, including veteren benefits and lunches for pre-schoolers in poorest neighborhoods. When R and R get to cutting the budget, you can bet they will want to start on the '47% that don't matter' ....and any programs which are advantagous to rich white men will be off limits.

[Samuimike1]

Mitt for PM, best dancer

[Jingthing]

In case this is too off topic, forgive me, but I am wondering if Americans of the different camps here feel hostility towards each other in real life and how that is going to play out after the election. Last night on a Pattaya baht bus, I ran into a group of young Americans who started talking politics and they were all Romney voters (they had voted absentee ballot). A lovely Swedish family had instigated the conversation, and like me, they were passionately anti-Romney, and also appreciative of Obama. They knew more about the actual issues than the vast majority of Americans (including those young people) which I found hilarious. Like me they thought access to health care for all was massively important, predictable from Swedes. Well the discussion continued, the Swedes were incredulous about their choice for Romney, and then I had to speak up. Without going into detail, it got rather hot. One thing that struck is one young man pined after a Donald Trump presidency and felt remorse that he didn't pursue it this time. That offended me on a personal level, as Trump is the King of the Birther movement, a movement obviously closely linked to coded racism. The young Americans fled the bus. It made me realize this really is a big election! I actually do think, whoever wins, there are going to be some new wounds in the American social fabric, even bigger than before.

Oh, to answer my own question, I must admit that yes I did feel hostility to that group of Romney voters and I felt the hostility coming back from them when I revealed my support for Obama. In effect the election was already over then because being in Thailand the voting is done (so no remote chance of changing anyone's vote), but the hostility was still there.

Edited November 6, 2012 by Jingthing

[SteeleJoe]

In case this is too off topic, forgive me, but I am wondering if Americans of the different camps here feel hostility towards each other in real life and how that is going to play out after the election. Last night on a Pattaya baht bus, I ran into a group of young Americans who started talking politics and they were all Romney voters (they had voted absentee ballot). A lovely Swedish family had instigated the conversation, and like me, they were passionately anti-Romney, and also appreciative of Obama. They knew more about the actual issues than the vast majority of Americans (including those young people) which I found hilarious. Like me they thought access to health care for all was massively important, predictable from Swedes. Well the discussion continued, the Swedes were incredulous about their choice for Romney, and then I had to speak up. Without going into detail, it got rather hot. One thing that struck is one young man pined after a Donald Trump presidency and felt remorse that he didn't pursue it this time. That offended me on a personal level, as Trump is the King of the Birther movement, a movement obviously closely linked to coded racism. The young Americans fled the bus. It made me realize this really is a big election! I actually do think, whoever wins, there are going to be some new wounds in the American social fabric, even bigger than before.

Oh, to answer my own question, I must admit that yes I did feel hostility to that group of Romney voters and I felt the hostility coming back from them when I revealed my support for Obama. In effect the election was already over then because being in Thailand the voting is done (so no remote chance of changing anyone's vote), but the hostility was still there.

A big and important topic. I wish I wasn't heading out the door.

For now I'll say, I feel hostile about the hostility. It pisses me off that it exists as widely and intensely as it appears to.

Sent from my iPad using ThaiVisa ap

[Chicog]

In case this is too off topic, forgive me, but I am wondering if Americans of the different camps here feel hostility towards each other in real life and how that is going to play out after the election. Last night on a Pattaya baht bus, I ran into a group of young Americans who started talking politics and they were all Romney voters (they had voted absentee ballot). A lovely Swedish family had instigated the conversation, and like me, they were passionately anti-Romney, and also appreciative of Obama. They knew more about the actual issues than the vast majority of Americans (including those young people) which I found hilarious. Like me they thought access to health care for all was massively important, predictable from Swedes. Well the discussion continued, the Swedes were incredulous about their choice for Romney, and then I had to speak up. Without going into detail, it got rather hot. One thing that struck is one young man pined after a Donald Trump presidency and felt remorse that he didn't pursue it this time. That offended me on a personal level, as Trump is the King of the Birther movement, a movement obviously closely linked to coded racism. The young Americans fled the bus. It made me realize this really is a big election! I actually do think, whoever wins, there are going to be some new wounds in the American social fabric, even bigger than before.

Oh, to answer my own question, I must admit that yes I did feel hostility to that group of Romney voters and I felt the hostility coming back from them when I revealed my support for Obama. In effect the election was already over then because being in Thailand the voting is done (so no remote chance of changing anyone's vote), but the hostility was still there.

Trump for President?

For the love of God..........

I'd like to think everyone could unite against that!

Edited November 6, 2012 by Chicog

[teatree]

In case this is too off topic, forgive me, but I am wondering if Americans of the different camps here feel hostility towards each other in real life and how that is going to play out after the election. Last night on a Pattaya baht bus, I ran into a group of young Americans who started talking politics and they were all Romney voters (they had voted absentee ballot). A lovely Swedish family had instigated the conversation, and like me, they were passionately anti-Romney, and also appreciative of Obama. They knew more about the actual issues than the vast majority of Americans (including those young people) which I found hilarious. Like me they thought access to health care for all was massively important, predictable from Swedes. Well the discussion continued, the Swedes were incredulous about their choice for Romney, and then I had to speak up. Without going into detail, it got rather hot. One thing that struck is one young man pined after a Donald Trump presidency and felt remorse that he didn't pursue it this time. That offended me on a personal level, as Trump is the King of the Birther movement, a movement obviously closely linked to coded racism. The young Americans fled the bus. It made me realize this really is a big election! I actually do think, whoever wins, there are going to be some new wounds in the American social fabric, even bigger than before.

Oh, to answer my own question, I must admit that yes I did feel hostility to that group of Romney voters and I felt the hostility coming back from them when I revealed my support for Obama. In effect the election was already over then because being in Thailand the voting is done (so no remote chance of changing anyone's vote), but the hostility was still there.

In what way is the 'birther' movement racist?

Please don't tell me it is because they are anti-Obama.

[theblether]

In case this is too off topic, forgive me, but I am wondering if Americans of the different camps here feel hostility towards each other in real life and how that is going to play out after the election. Last night on a Pattaya baht bus, I ran into a group of young Americans who started talking politics and they were all Romney voters (they had voted absentee ballot). A lovely Swedish family had instigated the conversation, and like me, they were passionately anti-Romney, and also appreciative of Obama. They knew more about the actual issues than the vast majority of Americans (including those young people) which I found hilarious. Like me they thought access to health care for all was massively important, predictable from Swedes. Well the discussion continued, the Swedes were incredulous about their choice for Romney, and then I had to speak up. Without going into detail, it got rather hot. One thing that struck is one young man pined after a Donald Trump presidency and felt remorse that he didn't pursue it this time. That offended me on a personal level, as Trump is the King of the Birther movement, a movement obviously closely linked to coded racism. The young Americans fled the bus. It made me realize this really is a big election! I actually do think, whoever wins, there are going to be some new wounds in the American social fabric, even bigger than before.

Oh, to answer my own question, I must admit that yes I did feel hostility to that group of Romney voters and I felt the hostility coming back from them when I revealed my support for Obama. In effect the election was already over then because being in Thailand the voting is done (so no remote chance of changing anyone's vote), but the hostility was still there.

In what way is the 'birther' movement racist?

Please don't tell me it is because they are anti-Obama.

It's obviously not racist, a very poor analogy by JT.

[samran]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/for-residents-of-2-tiny-nh-villages-voting-first-on-election-day-is-a-point-of-pride/2012/11/05/468c885a-27c1-11e2-ac64-5d52a2c5953e_story.html

And they are off!!!

Obama comes out of the gates and takes the lead.

[theblether]

@JT It's a pity you had to turn to the most socialist people in Europe to make your point for you..........does America want to be Sweden? You would need to be nuts, you should see the amount of people that flee Sweden every weekend to escape the punitive tax systems. They can't afford to socialize in their own country, it's cheaper for them to fly to the UK or Germany than to stay in their own country.

Maybe Romney should have used that as a slogan........Do You Want To Be Swedish?

When people see the bill that Obama is trying to impose on future generations of Americans no wonder they are hostile.

Edited November 6, 2012 by theblether

[Jingthing]

It's obviously not racist, a very poor analogy by JT.

A point of disagreement:

http://globalpublics...-trump-fantasy/

2. The ‘birther’ issue is coded racism

Then there is the ‘birther’ issue. I regard this as coded racism, frankly. I don’t think there’s any other word for it.

For goodness' sake, George Stephanopoulos displayed Obama's Certificate of Live Birth on network TV and this rumor still doesn't die. Put it this way: If the President was a white man named John Smith with the other background issues being the same - foreign student father, mother in Hawaii, etc. - would there be any of these dark insinuations? Trump should be ashamed of himself. But then, I suppose, he wouldn't be Donald Trump.

As far as the Swedish thing, that was just a random thing. As polling has clearly shown the vast majority of western Europeans with an opinion on the American election are pro Obama. It's a red herring to suggest just because one Swedish family likes Obama that Obama or his constituency represents a desire to copy all of Sweden's policies.

BTW, health care access for preexisting conditions people is massively popular among all American voters. So much so that in the later stages of Romney's Romnesia campaign he started lying to the voters that he was actually FOR the protections for that in Obamacare. But the facts are clear, he is not for those protections as any INFORMED voter can easily learn.

Andrea Pratt Rediske, 41, freelance writer in Orlando: “My faith teaches me that motherhood is a sacred responsibility, and I am the mother of a severely disabled 10-year-old who has the cognitive ability of a 6-month-old. My son is ‘invisible’ to society--he is too medically fragile to attend school, church, or even go to the grocery store. He has no voice except mine, and I continually battle profit-driven insurance companies to meet his medical needs. No mother should have to choose between health care for her children and the other necessities of life. No one should have to go bankrupt because they get sick, or have a disabled child. I am a Mormon woman who supports Barack Obama because of the Affordable Health Care Act. ”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/guest-voices/post/why-we-are-voting-for-president-obama-9-mormon-women-speak/2012/11/05/03fa0d8a-27a5-11e2-9972-71bf64ea091c_blog.html?tid=pm_national_pop Edited November 6, 2012 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

http://www.washingto...953e_story.html

And they are off!!!

Obama comes out of the gates and takes the lead.

Those folks in Hart's Location have both Hart and soul! Keep in mind, New Hampshire is a swing state. As New Hampshire overlaps with the Massachusetts media market, and Romney is so massively unpopular in Massachusetts (he baited and switched them), the ONLY state he ever held any elected office, I predict New Hampshire for OBAMA.

Romney will also lose MICHIGAN, another state that knows Mitt Romney well, where his Daddy, a much better man than him, was governor.

Edited November 6, 2012 by Jingthing

[thaibeachlovers]

Romney depicts himself as a savvy businessman who can turn around America's plummet in to debt. Yet Romney's track record as a businessman is spotty. One thing for sure; he's adept at getting ahold of, and spending, tens of billions of dollars of others peoples' money. A couple excerpts from a Forbes magazine article . . . . . . . .

Bain and buyout firm Thomas H. Lee Partners bought the nation’s largest group of radio stations (Clear Channel Communications) for $24 billion in July 2008, including $2.1 billion in equity, just in time to watch the advertising market collapse along with the U.S. economy. Loaded with $21 billion in debt and a $1.5 billion annual interest tab, Clear Channel barely earns enough to cover its interest payments and capital expenditures.

An exclusive analysis of the firm’s (Bain's) returns conducted by FORBES reveals that despite the hype surrounding Bain, investors in the firm’s biggest funds, raised in 2006 and 2008, would have been better off in a simple stock index fund.

- end of excerpts -

Maidu's parting shot: What Mr. Romney does with investors' billions is the business of the governer and the investors. Yet, if he's given the wheel at the helm of the USA, he will have trillions to play with (most of it debt), instead of tens of billions - and it won't be private investors' money, it will be the American taxpayers' money. I don't think America will benefit from a man who has never produced a useful product in his life, and instead has a pedigree of borrowing and spending large amounts of other peoples' money.

<Bain and buyout firm Thomas H. Lee Partners bought the nation’s largest group of radio stations (Clear Channel Communications) for $24 billion in July 2008> <despite the hype surrounding Bain, investors in the firm’s biggest funds, raised in 2006 and 2008, would have been better off in a simple stock index fund>.

If you're going to denigrate Romney, at least get your facts correct. Romney's separation from the firm was finalized in early 2002 when he went full time into politics.

I expect you to apologise for trying to mislead us with incorrect information.

[thaibeachlovers]

In case this is too off topic, forgive me, but I am wondering if Americans of the different camps here feel hostility towards each other in real life and how that is going to play out after the election. Last night on a Pattaya baht bus, I ran into a group of young Americans who started talking politics and they were all Romney voters (they had voted absentee ballot). A lovely Swedish family had instigated the conversation, and like me, they were passionately anti-Romney, and also appreciative of Obama. They knew more about the actual issues than the vast majority of Americans (including those young people) which I found hilarious. Like me they thought access to health care for all was massively important, predictable from Swedes. Well the discussion continued, the Swedes were incredulous about their choice for Romney, and then I had to speak up. Without going into detail, it got rather hot. One thing that struck is one young man pined after a Donald Trump presidency and felt remorse that he didn't pursue it this time. That offended me on a personal level, as Trump is the King of the Birther movement, a movement obviously closely linked to coded racism. The young Americans fled the bus. It made me realize this really is a big election! I actually do think, whoever wins, there are going to be some new wounds in the American social fabric, even bigger than before.

Oh, to answer my own question, I must admit that yes I did feel hostility to that group of Romney voters and I felt the hostility coming back from them when I revealed my support for Obama. In effect the election was already over then because being in Thailand the voting is done (so no remote chance of changing anyone's vote), but the hostility was still there.

In what way is the 'birther' movement racist?

Please don't tell me it is because they are anti-Obama.

It's obviously not racist, a very poor analogy by JT.

Let's not forget that Obama is half white. I think most people have overlooked that fact.

[Jingthing]

Let's not forget that Obama is half white. I think most people have overlooked that fact.

It's not really of much relevance. He has presented himself and been accepted as the first African American president.

[thaibeachlovers]

In case this is too off topic, forgive me, but I am wondering if Americans of the different camps here feel hostility towards each other in real life and how that is going to play out after the election. Last night on a Pattaya baht bus, I ran into a group of young Americans who started talking politics and they were all Romney voters (they had voted absentee ballot). A lovely Swedish family had instigated the conversation, and like me, they were passionately anti-Romney, and also appreciative of Obama. They knew more about the actual issues than the vast majority of Americans (including those young people) which I found hilarious. Like me they thought access to health care for all was massively important, predictable from Swedes. Well the discussion continued, the Swedes were incredulous about their choice for Romney, and then I had to speak up. Without going into detail, it got rather hot. One thing that struck is one young man pined after a Donald Trump presidency and felt remorse that he didn't pursue it this time. That offended me on a personal level, as Trump is the King of the Birther movement, a movement obviously closely linked to coded racism. The young Americans fled the bus. It made me realize this really is a big election! I actually do think, whoever wins, there are going to be some new wounds in the American social fabric, even bigger than before.

Oh, to answer my own question, I must admit that yes I did feel hostility to that group of Romney voters and I felt the hostility coming back from them when I revealed my support for Obama. In effect the election was already over then because being in Thailand the voting is done (so no remote chance of changing anyone's vote), but the hostility was still there.

So much for Obama's stated intention of UNITING ALL the peoples of the US. Just another empty promise. If there was a prize for least number of election promises fulfilled, Obama would be a shoo in!

No red Americans or blue Americans, just Americans heading for utopia under the anointed one, 5555555555555555555555

[thaibeachlovers]

Let's not forget that Obama is half white. I think most people have overlooked that fact.

It's not really of much relevance. He has presented himself and been accepted as the first African American president.

So is he ashamed of his 50% white ethnicity?

[thaibeachlovers]

http://www.washingto...953e_story.html

And they are off!!!

Obama comes out of the gates and takes the lead.

There's going to be a lot of red faces if Mitt wins. Pity we won't be able to see them.

[thaibeachlovers]

It's obviously not racist, a very poor analogy by JT.

A point of disagreement:

http://globalpublics...-trump-fantasy/

2. The ‘birther’ issue is coded racism

Then there is the ‘birther’ issue. I regard this as coded racism, frankly. I don’t think there’s any other word for it.

For goodness' sake, George Stephanopoulos displayed Obama's Certificate of Live Birth on network TV and this rumor still doesn't die. Put it this way: If the President was a white man named John Smith with the other background issues being the same - foreign student father, mother in Hawaii, etc. - would there be any of these dark insinuations? Trump should be ashamed of himself. But then, I suppose, he wouldn't be Donald Trump.

As far as the Swedish thing, that was just a random thing. As polling has clearly shown the vast majority of western Europeans with an opinion on the American election are pro Obama. It's a red herring to suggest just because one Swedish family likes Obama that Obama or his constituency represents a desire to copy all of Sweden's policies.

BTW, health care access for preexisting conditions people is massively popular among all American voters. So much so that in the later stages of Romney's Romnesia campaign he started lying to the voters that he was actually FOR the protections for that in Obamacare. But the facts are clear, he is not for those protections as any INFORMED voter can easily learn.

Andrea Pratt Rediske, 41, freelance writer in Orlando: “My faith teaches me that motherhood is a sacred responsibility, and I am the mother of a severely disabled 10-year-old who has the cognitive ability of a 6-month-old. My son is ‘invisible’ to society--he is too medically fragile to attend school, church, or even go to the grocery store. He has no voice except mine, and I continually battle profit-driven insurance companies to meet his medical needs. No mother should have to choose between health care for her children and the other necessities of life. No one should have to go bankrupt because they get sick, or have a disabled child. I am a Mormon woman who supports Barack Obama because of the Affordable Health Care Act. ”

http://www.washingto...pm_national_pop

One should never take into account single issues when voting. Of course Andrea Pratt is going to vote for whichever candidate she thinks will give her the best cover for her child, but it doesn't mean that Obama has the best economic policies ( does he actually have any at all? ).

[Jingthing]

One should never take into account single issues when voting. Of course Andrea Pratt is going to vote for whichever candidate she thinks will give her the best cover for her child, but it doesn't mean that Obama has the best economic policies ( does he actually have any at all? ).

Perhaps but I find it unacceptable that Romney lied about his support for Obamacare's preexisting coverage when he is clearly in actual reality in favor of totally trashing that.

[thaibeachlovers]

Yes, I agree knowledge, experience and rational thinking are scary.

No but irrational ignorant bigotry is

In 2008 did you also think in a Obama White House the place would be lousy with ...

... I can't even say it as it would be as bigoted as your statements

Interesting...do you have any facts on whether the current white house is lousy with...? I know he sings slo jam sings and plays basketball, but I've never seen any figures on whether he packed the place with his own kind.

You missed the boat with that reply! I know what he means, but I'm not saying it out loud either.

[thaibeachlovers]

One should never take into account single issues when voting. Of course Andrea Pratt is going to vote for whichever candidate she thinks will give her the best cover for her child, but it doesn't mean that Obama has the best economic policies ( does he actually have any at all? ).

Perhaps but I find it unacceptable that Romney lied about his support for Obamacare's preexisting coverage when he is clearly in actual reality in favor of totally trashing that.

Compared with Obama's administration ( the buck stops with HIM ) lying about the terrorist attack in Benghazi, and blaming it on a stupid VDO???????

[Jingthing]

One should never take into account single issues when voting. Of course Andrea Pratt is going to vote for whichever candidate she thinks will give her the best cover for her child, but it doesn't mean that Obama has the best economic policies ( does he actually have any at all? ).

Perhaps but I find it unacceptable that Romney lied about his support for Obamacare's preexisting coverage when he is clearly in actual reality in favor of totally trashing that.

Compared with Obama's administration ( the buck stops with HIM ) lying about the terrorist attack in Benghazi, and blaming it on a stupid VDO???????

To me that is a fake issue invented at Fox News. I don't believe the right wing propaganda about it. Go ahead and try to impeach Obama about during his second term when the people actually want the government to actually DO something. Health care for millions of Americans who will just die without it is as real as it gets. Edited November 6, 2012 by Jingthing

[KKvampire]

just remind any women thinking of voting Romney because they are more concerned about economic issues than their health. Just remind them Romney doesnt believe Women should have equal pay for equal jobs. He will be a trojan horse to a backward step and the end of a recovery

[Jingthing]

just remind any women thinking of voting Romney because they are more concerned about economic issues than their health. Just remind them Romney doesnt believe Women should have equal pay for equal jobs. He will be a trojan horse to a backward step and the end of a recovery

I agree somewhat. I believe the recovery has started and even a President Romney can't kill it. But there's the rub. If Romney wins, he will get UNDESERVED credit for the recovery and be assured a second term. In eight years the right wingers will have massive opportunity to unravel decades of progress with their radical Ayn Randian ideology.

[keemapoot]

Nate Silver has just put the final nail in Romney's coffin and called an Obama victory. Another Dewey v. Truman moment?

Nate Silver, the newspaper's resident psephologist, has published his final analysis of the race, giving Barack Obama a 92 per cent chance of being re-elected president today and also suggesting his final margin of victory could be more than 100 Electoral College votes (there are 538 up for grabs and the first to 270 is the winner).

Read more: http://www.theweek.c...t#ixzz2BQx1nOjA

[KKvampire]

Romney doesnt believe in the best health support and choice for Women and he doesnt believe in Equal pay for same jobs women do, a total regressive liar.