Demonstrators Told To Confront Police

[carra]

There was over a hundred arrests in a few hours because over 100 people committed arrestable offences in a few hours. Simple

I wonder if they were arrestable offences, given that 99% of them have been released with no charge.

Then they should be thankful that the police are being lenient with them.

Not sure in Thailand but back in the uk I arrested a fair few for breach of the peace and not all were charged with the offence, the idea is to remove them from the problem until the breach is not likely to continue.

As this is Thailand I would imagine this is the case as I guess anyone wrongly arrested would have just been stitched up for some thing or another. Some have not been released though so would guess their offences are more serious.

[whybother]

There was over a hundred arrests in a few hours because over 100 people committed arrestable offences in a few hours. Simple

I wonder if they were arrestable offences, given that 99% of them have been released with no charge.

Then they should be thankful that the police are being lenient with them.

Not sure in Thailand but back in the uk I arrested a fair few for breach of the peace and not all were charged with the offence, the idea is to remove them from the problem until the breach is not likely to continue.

As this is Thailand I would imagine this is the case as I guess anyone wrongly arrested would have just been stitched up for some thing or another. Some have not been released though so would guess their offences are more serious.

I understand that the truck driver hasn't been released. Not a surprise.

[DocN]

Ok, so we have established you were not there yesterday, you only saw selective clips on TV and that's enough to make an informed statement, do you jump into telephone boxes and get changed into lycra suits when you are not posting on here?

Back to the original point of my first post, selective policing. Whether the point of gas being used was over the top or not, we will have to agree to disagree. My point is after sitting back in 2009 and 2010 and the police being mostly ineffective, do you think it not strange that in the first hour of the protest yesterday police deployed CS gas and arrested more people than in 6 weeks at Ratchaprasong? (excluding the final day) just a casual observation, people must be wondering who they are really working for?

(No intention to break rule 1 or 4, just playful banter )

2009, 2010, 1912...what the...???

2012 a rally was announced!

Location: a highly sensitive area many sensitive buildings such as Government House and UN.

Organizers announced between 100.000 and 1 Million participants (!!!)

So: in any country I know, the following things happen:

organizer of rally announces number of participants, location of gathering and possible routes, possible marches might take.

Police and courts say "this way is okay, that way is okay...no, you can't go here!"

Roadblocks are set up, sensitive buildings are guarded by armed police, barbed wire and barricades.

Police estimates police-force according to numbers of protester- estimation.

They may even stop and search protesters for weapons.

Now: your rally- participants follow the marked routes. If they don't, police will take action!

If they try to get through to sensitive areas, police will take action.

This has happened many, many times before in places that are far more advanced in "democracy' than Thailand.

G8- summits? Rings a bell???

I have been in demonstrations myself.

There are hardcore idiots on both sides, but usually...if you just follow simple rules and orders, you are not gassed or beaten up or else...

DocN you have a few valid points but you and I both know that in the previous red shirt burn Bangkok campaign as I call it the police were supportive of the reds even after the reds blocked the streets, set up the barricades, burned a bus, and whatever else they did that was obviously against the law. That is why they were called watermelon police, red on the inside.

But you see...a) that is not the point here. You can't make undone, what was done! and b ) it says A LOT about the state of this country and the separation between judiciary, executive and legestration. If a PM can not order the police,to enforce the law, if an army just basically does, what it wants and the courts are biased and totally overworked.

Fact is: PS awarded the government with a penalty without goalkeeper...and the government scored!

End of story!

[khunken]

There was over a hundred arrests in a few hours because over 100 people committed arrestable offences in a few hours. Simple

I wonder if they were arrestable offences, given that 99% of them have been released with no charge.

Then they should be thankful that the police are being lenient with them.

Not sure in Thailand but back in the uk I arrested a fair few for breach of the peace and not all were charged with the offence, the idea is to remove them from the problem until the breach is not likely to continue.

As this is Thailand I would imagine this is the case as I guess anyone wrongly arrested would have just been stitched up for some thing or another. Some have not been released though so would guess their offences are more serious.

I understand that the truck driver hasn't been released. Not a surprise.

According to the other paper, all those arrested have been released.

Did I read this right? 'Not sure in Thailand but back in the uk I arrested a fair few......' You were a copper? Your blind support of the police now makes sense.

[Thai at Heart]

There was over a hundred arrests in a few hours because over 100 people committed arrestable offences in a few hours. Simple

I wonder if they were arrestable offences, given that 99% of them have been released with no charge.

Then they should be thankful that the police are being lenient with them.

Not sure in Thailand but back in the uk I arrested a fair few for breach of the peace and not all were charged with the offence, the idea is to remove them from the problem until the breach is not likely to continue.

As this is Thailand I would imagine this is the case as I guess anyone wrongly arrested would have just been stitched up for some thing or another. Some have not been released though so would guess their offences are more serious.

I understand that the truck driver hasn't been released. Not a surprise.

Well i hope he can get red bull boys lawyer.

[whybother]

Well i hope he can get red bull boys lawyer.

I'm sure there'll be an MP that will vouch for him ... and the government will be there to pay his bail.

[Moruya]

There was over a hundred arrests in a few hours because over 100 people committed arrestable offences in a few hours. Simple

I wonder if they were arrestable offences, given that 99% of them have been released with no charge.

Then they should be thankful that the police are being lenient with them.

Not sure in Thailand but back in the uk I arrested a fair few for breach of the peace and not all were charged with the offence, the idea is to remove them from the problem until the breach is not likely to continue.

As this is Thailand I would imagine this is the case as I guess anyone wrongly arrested would have just been stitched up for some thing or another. Some have not been released though so would guess their offences are more serious.

I understand that the truck driver hasn't been released. Not a surprise.

I think we should be told if he has wide cheekbones, a flat nose and smells of pla lah

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[sungod]

Carra

Bit jumpy aren't you? haven't questioned a word you say.

Edited November 25, 2012 by sungod

[looping]

What a nice picture for our friend Buscholtz who were asking yesterday if we had any proof that it was actually the protestors who were responsible for the violence during the demonstration.

He'll still say there is no proof and that this is a llie spread by Yingluck's cousin on Facebook. He will also say pictures are photoshopped and the peaceful protesters were simply throwing home made fireworks back to the Black shirt ninjas mixed in with the red scarf cops.

Oh, and then he'll just point out how the red shirts did this and did that back in 2010 and that Yingluck is Thaksin's puppet.

Glorious, ttelise, couldn't have put it better myself!

I also loved that line in the OP, " But his plea fell on deaf ears; the same protest leader retorted that protesters were carrying out their duty as well, and ordered his men to march forward". What fantasy world are PS's leaders living in?

Thankfully, Pitak Siam and its totally deranged leadership have been utterly routed and humiliated yesterday., by a combination of firm crowd control - but not Suthep-style butchery, and skilful government planning. The attendance of, at best, some 30,000 would disgrace a second rate football team, and to continue that analogy, they sure had more than their fair share of thugs and hooligans motivated by the certain prospect of a violent punch-up. What happened to the other 470,000 supporters ,or (as General Looney once glibly predicted an attendance of over 1 million!) the other 970,000? Don't tell me that nearly 1 million fanatical PS lovers are stuck in a traffic jam en route from Isaan.

I agree that they did a good job yesterday. This government are totally incompetant until it comes to the suppression of people! It's what they do best. And they're just warming up.

[patrickinpattaya]

There's a lot of discussion on whether the police over reacted or not! There was no loss of life, therefore I think it was a job well done by the police.

[Moruya]

There's a lot of discussion on whether the police over reacted or not! There was no loss of life, therefore I think it was a job well done by the police.

Nobody died so it was a success?

[patrickinpattaya]

There's a lot of discussion on whether the police over reacted or not! There was no loss of life, therefore I think it was a job well done by the police.

Nobody died so it was a success?

Nobody dies, of course it was a success!

[Moruya]

There's a lot of discussion on whether the police over reacted or not! There was no loss of life, therefore I think it was a job well done by the police.

Nobody died so it was a success?

Nobody dies, of course it was a success!

Do you not think the country is a few more degrees polarised?

[Thai at Heart]

There's a lot of discussion on whether the police over reacted or not! There was no loss of life, therefore I think it was a job well done by the police.

Nobody died so it was a success?

Nobody dies, of course it was a success!

Do you not think the country is a few more degrees polarised?

Neither side has ever managed to muster more than 100k for any of their protests (please correct me if I am wrong). The only tally we have on the opinion of the country is a general election. I think the country probably let out a collective sigh of relief when it went off relatively peacefully and their country returned to some sort of normality. Have the censure debate, keep monitoring, keep reporting, and wait for the next election.

It is as though 4 years feels like 400 for some. As I wrote a while ago, thaksin isn't back, they haven't modified the constitution, Jatuporn isn't in the cabinet. The only way to build a decent democratic system is to keep working on it, instead of hoping for the national calamity of a coup. Just remember how badly the army screwed it up when they got in last time? How much did they wipe off the stock market in a day with capital controls? How many international companies were instantly put under suspicion of nominee shareholdings. They are harkening to a time that is long gone.

They army are definitely not a safe haven in times of trouble. the last thing Thailand needs with the world economy in the shateen is to be front and centre with another coup.

Edited November 25, 2012 by Thai at Heart

[philw]

There's a lot of discussion on whether the police over reacted or not! There was no loss of life, therefore I think it was a job well done by the police.

Nobody died so it was a success?

Nobody dies, of course it was a success!

Do you not think the country is a few more degrees polarised?

With a negligible turnout ????

[Moruya]

With a negligible turnout ????

50000? MCOT figures.

Loads more than the reds can muster without subsistence

[rubl]

Nonsense.

The police prepared for one million protestors hence their numbers. Secondly they did not fence the protestors in a small area with barbed wire, they secured areas there were out of bounds to the protestors such as parliament and the UN, the protestors chose to attack the police to try and gain access to these areas.

Amazing already trying to rewrite the facts.

Truly amazing, already rewriting the facts.

- the police (or maybe just Dept. PM Pol Captain Chalerm) expected a bit more than the few hundred they guestimated joined a few weeks before.

- Royal Plaza was surrounded by razorblade wire

- protesters were funnelled through streets bordered by razorblade wire and lots of police

- the first attack on the police seems to have been when protesters wanted to go straight to Royal Plaza, but were told 'go right, than left and left again'

Of course you have links For this?

There was enough police to deal with problems should they arrived, the problem arrived early and the police dealt with it. We have posters complaining that they did nothing last time and them complaining that the did something this time, amazing.

There was barbed wire blocking access to restricted areas, the protestors ignored orders that they could not enter those ares and attacked police, even driving a vehicle at them.

Is it ok when I am walking and I am advised to go in a certain direction by police is it ok for me to attack him?

If only I would have thought of it, just ask 'can you prove'

Now the last week has seen some topics here (to which you also responded if I remember correctly) with various government officials, cabinet members, Pheu Thai dignitaries and UDD folk suggesting and alleging all the bad things which would happen. Just look at the index and you'll find the topic.

The order by police to take a few turns you'll find in one of the topics from yesterday.

As for a 'fenced in' feeling http://twitter.com/R...4945920/photo/1

Edited November 25, 2012 by rubl

[philw]

With a negligible turnout ????

50000? MCOT figures.

Loads more than the reds can muster without subsistence

hohohoho..........

merry red christmas to you.

[chooka]

What a nice picture for our friend Buscholtz who were asking yesterday if we had any proof that it was actually the protestors who were responsible for the violence during the demonstration.

He'll still say there is no proof and that this is a llie spread by Yingluck's cousin on Facebook. He will also say pictures are photoshopped and the peaceful protesters were simply throwing home made fireworks back to the Black shirt ninjas mixed in with the red scarf cops.

Oh, and then he'll just point out how the red shirts did this and did that back in 2010 and that Yingluck is Thaksin's puppet.

They are just passing over the sandwiches to the BIB.

[Buchholz]

What a nice picture for our friend Buscholtz who were asking yesterday if we had any proof that it was actually the protestors who were responsible for the violence during the demonstration.

If by that misspelling you mean me, that's not what I asked, so please don't make things up AKA lie.

Thanks.

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Edited November 25, 2012 by Buchholz

[Buchholz]

What a nice picture for our friend Buscholtz who were asking yesterday if we had any proof that it was actually the protestors who were responsible for the violence during the demonstration.

He'll still say there is no proof and that this is a llie spread by Yingluck's cousin on Facebook. He will also say pictures are photoshopped and the peaceful protesters were simply throwing home made fireworks back to the Black shirt ninjas mixed in with the red scarf cops.

Oh, and then he'll just point out how the red shirts did this and did that back in 2010 and that Yingluck is Thaksin's puppet.

Start with quoting a lie and then add further nonsense embellishment

Lawyer, you say you are. It's becoming more believable.

[philw]

What a nice picture for our friend Buscholtz who were asking yesterday if we had any proof that it was actually the protestors who were responsible for the violence during the demonstration.

He'll still say there is no proof and that this is a llie spread by Yingluck's cousin on Facebook. He will also say pictures are photoshopped and the peaceful protesters were simply throwing home made fireworks back to the Black shirt ninjas mixed in with the red scarf cops.

Oh, and then he'll just point out how the red shirts did this and did that back in 2010 and that Yingluck is Thaksin's puppet.

Start with quoting a lie and then add further nonsense embellishment

Lawyer, you say you are. It's becoming more believable.

Quite,spoken like an officer.

[Buchholz]

What a nice picture for our friend Buscholtz who were asking yesterday if we had any proof that it was actually the protestors who were responsible for the violence during the demonstration.

He'll still say there is no proof and that this is a llie spread by Yingluck's cousin on Facebook. He will also say pictures are photoshopped and the peaceful protesters were simply throwing home made fireworks back to the Black shirt ninjas mixed in with the red scarf cops.

Oh, and then he'll just point out how the red shirts did this and did that back in 2010 and that Yingluck is Thaksin's puppet.

Glorious, ttelise, couldn't have put it better myself!

Sure you could. You could have put out an honest statement and not embellished it with nonsense.

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[philw]

What a nice picture for our friend Buscholtz who were asking yesterday if we had any proof that it was actually the protestors who were responsible for the violence during the demonstration.

He'll still say there is no proof and that this is a llie spread by Yingluck's cousin on Facebook. He will also say pictures are photoshopped and the peaceful protesters were simply throwing home made fireworks back to the Black shirt ninjas mixed in with the red scarf cops.

Oh, and then he'll just point out how the red shirts did this and did that back in 2010 and that Yingluck is Thaksin's puppet.

Glorious, ttelise, couldn't have put it better myself!

Sure you could. You could have put out an honest statement and not embellished it with nonsense.

.

The floor is yours BZ..........

[Buchholz]

I wonder if they were arrestable offences, given that 99% of them have been released with no charge.

Then they should be thankful that the police are being lenient with them.

Not sure in Thailand but back in the uk I arrested a fair few for breach of the peace and not all were charged with the offence, the idea is to remove them from the problem until the breach is not likely to continue.

As this is Thailand I would imagine this is the case as I guess anyone wrongly arrested would have just been stitched up for some thing or another. Some have not been released though so would guess their offences are more serious.

I understand that the truck driver hasn't been released. Not a surprise.

According to the other paper, all those arrested have been released.

Did I read this right? 'Not sure in Thailand but back in the uk I arrested a fair few......' You were a copper? Your blind support of the police now makes sense.

The 137 protesters who were detained for questioning following the clashes have been released without being charged.

Continued:

http://news.xinhuane...c_131997828.htm

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[gerry1011]

Hmm, all sounds a bit trite to me. Not saying this story is a lie, after all every other demo seems to involve attacking some one or other, but this version seems a bit too convenient for the police. On the other hand PS are a bunch of right wing nutters so anything is possible.

ah...

Usualy the "news" given by The Nation is taken as "the absolute truth" by most members of this forum. The Nation is never biased. Always honest reporting... as long as it is against Thaksin, Yingluck, Charlerm, the reds, and everyone else on their side.

This time the reporting seems convenient for the police though... Uhm, yes, there must be something wrong indeed

Or maybe the right wing nutters are... really nuts... Could that be possible?

[ttelise]

There's a lot of discussion on whether the police over reacted or not! There was no loss of life, therefore I think it was a job well done by the police.

Nobody died so it was a success?

Nobody dies, of course it was a success!

Do you not think the country is a few more degrees polarised?

Polarized because those that support Yingluck might be offended by 1000s of thugs assembling for the purpose of taking out their PM.

As to you guys and the protesters, you weren't happy before and your not happy now. You won't be happy unless Yingluck is taken out and Thaksin arrested. Any thing short will result in more belly aching and blaming someone for something. You would complain about Yingluck and the cops whether they exercised control over or lost control of the demonstration. You guys will complain about Thaksin and live in the past regardless as to who is in power provided your guy is not in power. You guys want Yingluck's policies and efforts to fail and bad things to happen to Thailand so you can complain about the sad state of the nation under Yingluck's control. This mentality is the most polarizing factor present.

[MAJIC]

Aah now we have strict law enforcement AND over the top police action. Over a hundred arrests within a few hours after the rally kicked of. If the rally would have prolonged for let's say 2 weeks, how many people would have been arrested 10,000? 20,000? All?

Nobody sees any double standards here?

It seems like the arrests by the Police were just token gestures on trivial offences,otherwise why did the police let 137 free,without charging them?

[ttelise]

Aah now we have strict law enforcement AND over the top police action. Over a hundred arrests within a few hours after the rally kicked of. If the rally would have prolonged for let's say 2 weeks, how many people would have been arrested 10,000? 20,000? All?

Nobody sees any double standards here?

It seems like the arrests by the Police were just token gestures on trivial offences,otherwise why did the police let 137 free,without charging them?

. . . or one could say, that relasing them without fformal charges was a good faith gesture on the part of Yingluck to circumvent further devisiveness. No need to create more martyr-like issues resulting from prosecution of these guys. The fact that all were let go supports the intuitive forward thinking explanation. Otherwise, they could charge some or all of the protesters regardless of their actions in an effort to save face. A small group of you guys are going to complain, criticize or condemn whether they were charged or let go irregardless of the circumstances.

[MAJIC]

Aah now we have strict law enforcement AND over the top police action. Over a hundred arrests within a few hours after the rally kicked of. If the rally would have prolonged for let's say 2 weeks, how many people would have been arrested 10,000? 20,000? All?

Nobody sees any double standards here?

It seems like the arrests by the Police were just token gestures on trivial offences,otherwise why did the police let 137 free,without charging them?

. . . or one could say, that relasing them without fformal charges was a good faith gesture on the part of Yingluck to circumvent further devisiveness. No need to create more martyr-like issues resulting from prosecution of these guys. The fact that all were let go supports the intuitive forward thinking explanation. Otherwise, they could charge some or all of the protesters regardless of their actions in an effort to save face. A small group of you guys are going to complain, criticize or condemn whether they were charged or let go irregardless of the circumstances.

I'm not complaining that they were let go,merely that they were probably let go in the first place,because of a triviality,you can bet your life if this government had some evidence against these protesters they would have been delighted to see some prosecutions.

i.e probably lack or real solid evidence,or anything of real legal importance! and please don't give me the Bleeding Heart stuff about "good faith gestures".

Next you will be telling me Thaksin is going to give back all the money he Thieved from the Thai people,as a good will gesture.

Edited November 25, 2012 by MAJIC