Special Centre Set Up To Deal With Cases Against Abhisit, Suthep

[backtonormal]

>Not sure how this will play out, or if this is just a big show with little substance.

>The Airport protest leaders never saw the inside of a jail, whereas Jatuporn, Natthawut and others were ushered into jail without delay. This even included ankle and wrist irons for heavens' sake. There is no more egregious example of double standards than this, for many people. Until they see the leg-irons on Abhisit and Suthep, will there ever be a semblance of judicial balance for these people.

>I read some of Suthep's comments elsewhere. They give as clear an indication of where this is going as anything. His biggest concern was what he stated was the "annoyance' of having to defend himself. The nature of the charges were not of any concern for him, just their 'annoyance'.

(296)

Seems to me it was a Thaksin party in power when the Yellow shirts were in the airport. Why did he not rush them to jail. At any rate you are just a waste of TV time. You don't even try to come close to the topic. Just a continues monologue about the great Thaksin. Not charging Thaksin is what you could call double standards. Sorry I don't know enough small words to explain it to you.

Rush Sondhi and his mates to jail...how long have you been here. The amart sponsored that 6 months debacle that began at government house and the army gave physical armed on site protection to the yellows. Just a continues monologue about the great Thaksin. Where is there any word about Thaksin in the post. In fact your hundreds of previous attempts to turn every thread into 'the bogeyman thread' has been to put it mildly...piss poor. With 6500 posts I am struggling to find an intelligent one.

[Thai at Heart]

so basically, if found guilty, the government of the day cannot do anything more than send in police or army with batons or shields knowing that other side has arms?

you tell everyone you're coming in armed, they don't surrender and some fire back and the armed forces can't fight back. this potential guilty verdict has massive implications for the rule of law in Thailand.

does this mean if a policeman shoots a criminal during criminal activity, his family can sue for murder and compensation. not even the Thai system can be so stupid to find them guilty. more shame on the system for accepting the charges.

I used to wonder why there were so many optician shops in Thailand and so few spectacles. Myopic spectacles to the vermilion side

the issue is that army has complete immunity, so they go after the politicians.

but if they find these guys guilty, no government can ever intervene against any protest ever again. it is a very dangerous case, this one.

[bigbamboo]

2000 plus cases is a lot of paperwork even for Thais.

I guess they'd better hurry up and shift some of that unsold rice sharpish to make space for it all.

[backtonormal]

Now it's getting interesting. You're talking assault. So, is Yingluck also liable for charges for ordering that the police ensure the protest for Siam Pitak was 'policed' resulting indirectly in people getting bruised from clashing with the riot squad. I'm interested to see how the courts deal with this. Will they consider the main charge of murder first and determine that under a SoE they are not culpable therefore all other charges should be thrown out, meaning the DSI has wasted a great deal of public money chasing this hatchet job. Counter charges against Tarit for Malfeasance perhaps?

I guess they could, but it would be continuing the pathetic tit-for-tat red shirt approach. Something tells me the lack of immediate response by to this today from the two people being persecuted by the "authorities" of this failing state means indicates to me a more considered response will be given soon, and I highly doubt giving in to an amnesty agreement will be any part of it. My own guess is a higher court ordering an investigation of the DSI itself, as its impartial credibility is now in tatters.

To anybody who isn't a part of the sponsored or brainwashed red flock, the first murder charges were nothing short of an embarrassment to legal process, and not one red cheerleader on this forum could honestly admit they believed it was being done solely for reasons of justice.

This "center" now sets a much lower bar. Again, does anybody here really believe this is about justice?

Failing State that was visited by Obama and today the world bank predicts a bright economic future. Now who gets the part of the horses arse in panto this christmas. We'the red clan are in the ascendency and it must be sh1t for the other crowd. Your band of believers on this forum must be at best minimal. Basically nobodys listening

[hellodolly]

>Not sure how this will play out, or if this is just a big show with little substance.

>The Airport protest leaders never saw the inside of a jail, whereas Jatuporn, Natthawut and others were ushered into jail without delay. This even included ankle and wrist irons for heavens' sake. There is no more egregious example of double standards than this, for many people. Until they see the leg-irons on Abhisit and Suthep, will there ever be a semblance of judicial balance for these people.

>I read some of Suthep's comments elsewhere. They give as clear an indication of where this is going as anything. His biggest concern was what he stated was the "annoyance' of having to defend himself. The nature of the charges were not of any concern for him, just their 'annoyance'.

(296)

Seems to me it was a Thaksin party in power when the Yellow shirts were in the airport. Why did he not rush them to jail. At any rate you are just a waste of TV time. You don't even try to come close to the topic. Just a continues monologue about the great Thaksin. Not charging Thaksin is what you could call double standards. Sorry I don't know enough small words to explain it to you.

Rush Sondhi and his mates to jail...how long have you been here. The amart sponsored that 6 months debacle that began at government house and the army gave physical armed on site protection to the yellows. Just a continues monologue about the great Thaksin. Where is there any word about Thaksin in the post. In fact your hundreds of previous attempts to turn every thread into 'the bogeyman thread' has been to put it mildly...piss poor. With 6500 posts I am struggling to find an intelligent one.

Sorry I couldent find any smaller words for you. It is what it is.

[metisdead]

A post containing an oversize image has been removed as well as a reply, This messes up the formatting, please stop posting images of this nature.

[Soi Sauce]

so basically, if found guilty, the government of the day cannot do anything more than send in police or army with batons or shields knowing that other side has arms?

you tell everyone you're coming in armed, they don't surrender and some fire back and the armed forces can't fight back. this potential guilty verdict has massive implications for the rule of law in Thailand.

does this mean if a policeman shoots a criminal during criminal activity, his family can sue for murder and compensation. not even the Thai system can be so stupid to find them guilty. more shame on the system for accepting the charges.

I used to wonder why there were so many optician shops in Thailand and so few spectacles. Myopic spectacles to the vermilion side

the issue is that army has complete immunity, so they go after the politicians.

but if they find these guys guilty, no government can ever intervene against any protest ever again. it is a very dangerous case, this one.

Of Course they can. A Nazi, Hitleresque scenario is being set. After this there are only the decisions of the Fuhrer.

Watch Thaksin's videos, then Hitler's There's more than a similarity.

Then look at his love for Cambodia and Burma.

The future is gonna run red, and that ain't shirts.

Edited December 19, 2012 by Soi Sauce

[Thai at Heart]

so basically, if found guilty, the government of the day cannot do anything more than send in police or army with batons or shields knowing that other side has arms?

you tell everyone you're coming in armed, they don't surrender and some fire back and the armed forces can't fight back. this potential guilty verdict has massive implications for the rule of law in Thailand.

does this mean if a policeman shoots a criminal during criminal activity, his family can sue for murder and compensation. not even the Thai system can be so stupid to find them guilty. more shame on the system for accepting the charges.

I used to wonder why there were so many optician shops in Thailand and so few spectacles. Myopic spectacles to the vermilion side

the issue is that army has complete immunity, so they go after the politicians.

but if they find these guys guilty, no government can ever intervene against any protest ever again. it is a very dangerous case, this one.

Of Course they can. A Nazi, Hitleresque scenario is being set. After this there are only the decisions of the Fuhrer.

Watch Thaksin's videos, then Hitler's There's more than a similarity.

Then look at his love for Cambodia and Burma.

The future is gonna run red, and that ain't shirts.

well no. the yellows protest, go on a rampage.

SOE, police intervene, and thaksin ( or any red pm), would be on the hook personally? it'sa legal and moral nonsense.

[seajae]

just keeps getting more pathetic, how can anyone seriously take this as a legal ruling of any kind. It doesnt matter who you support it is simply a case of bullsh*t politics by the reds and their boss. The amount of money thaksin must be throwing around at the moment would be huge, maybe he has promised these buffoons a job when he comes back for his new ministry once he removes all the opposition.

[rubl]

So, when's the DSI looking into the atrocities under ex-PM Somchai? The use of faulty teargas grenades which caused bodily harm. Surely that's a clear case of a murder attempts by the then PM. Probably a hundred or so 'attempted murder' cases as well. Mind you, those were only yellow-shirts, so who cares.

[webfact]

UPDATE:

DSI plans for 2000 complaints against Abhisit, Suthep

Piyanut Tumnukasetchai,

Opas Boonlorm

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- The Department of Special Investigation has set up a centre tasked to handle cases involving two Democrats, Abhisit Vejjajiva and Suthep Thaugsuban, linked to deaths and injuries in the 2010 political mayhem.

"Some 2,000 people injured in the violence will file charges against Abhisit and Suthep," DSI director-general Tarit Pengdith said.

Tarit said the two would face three types of charge - ordering the killings, attempted killings and physical assault.

The DSI will treat all cases involving the two in a batch instead of treating them as individual cases, he said.

After the injured victims had filed their complaints, the DSI would take statements and collect evidence before combining the reports on all related cases for the prosecution review in order to expedite the legal proceedings, he said.

For example, for the Phan Khamkong case in which the two were already charged with ordering the killing of a taxi driver, the DSI was preparing to file additional and related charges for attempted killing and physical offence in connection with an injured van driver in the same case.

The DSI has scheduled a meeting on December 27 to monitor the work progress. Public prosecutors and police are expected to attend the meeting.

Metropolitan Police deputy commissioner Maj General Anuthai Lekbamrung is in charge of assisting the DSI to collect evidence in the cases.

Criminal Court chief justice Thawee Prachuablap said if and when the cases reached the trial stage, the court might invoke its mandate to combine all related cases.

"Let’s wait and see how the prosecutors will proceed and the court is ready to handle thousands of cases because it is empowered to hear all cases at the same time as a combined, single case," he said.

Thawee said in his opinion, circumstances surrounding each case would make it very difficult for investigators and prosecutors to complete cases in respective orders within a certain timetable, therefore the court might appoint the same panel of judges to hear respective cases.

-- The Nation 2012-12-20

[AleG]

Failing State that was visited by Obama and today the world bank predicts a bright economic future. Now who gets the part of the horses arse in panto this christmas. We'the red clan are in the ascendency and it must be sh1t for the other crowd. Your band of believers on this forum must be at best minimal. Basically nobodys listening

Wow... when people start talking like this in a bus I move to the far end.

[Siripon]

Now it's getting interesting. You're talking assault. So, is Yingluck also liable for charges for ordering that the police ensure the protest for Siam Pitak was 'policed' resulting indirectly in people getting bruised from clashing with the riot squad. I'm interested to see how the courts deal with this. Will they consider the main charge of murder first and determine that under a SoE they are not culpable therefore all other charges should be thrown out, meaning the DSI has wasted a great deal of public money chasing this hatchet job. Counter charges against Tarit for Malfeasance perhaps?

I guess they could, but it would be continuing the pathetic tit-for-tat red shirt approach. Something tells me the lack of immediate response by to this today from the two people being persecuted by the "authorities" of this failing state means indicates to me a more considered response will be given soon, and I highly doubt giving in to an amnesty agreement will be any part of it. My own guess is a higher court ordering an investigation of the DSI itself, as its impartial credibility is now in tatters.

To anybody who isn't a part of the sponsored or brainwashed red flock, the first murder charges were nothing short of an embarrassment to legal process, and not one red cheerleader on this forum could honestly admit they believed it was being done solely for reasons of justice.

This "center" now sets a much lower bar. Again, does anybody here really believe this is about justice?

Failing State that was visited by Obama and today the world bank predicts a bright economic future. Now who gets the part of the horses arse in panto this christmas. We'the red clan are in the ascendency and it must be sh1t for the other crowd. Your band of believers on this forum must be at best minimal. Basically nobodys listening

It's the Shinawats in the ascendency, not the red shirts. Thaksin already thanked them in a phone- in for rowing him across the river, but now he has to climb the mountain and no longer needs them.

No Cabinet post for Jatupon, no reform of Lese Majeste law, and maybe a long while before any constitutional changes.

Yesterday Somyot, facing lese majeste charges called Yingluk a coward.

[Soutpeel]

"Special Centre Set Up To Deal With Cases Against Abhisit, Suthep"

Will they call it the Witch Hunt Center?

Pity they didnt put as much effort in getting a certain gentleman in Dubai back in country to serve a jail sentence....wouldnt need a special committee to do this...just give Interpol a call...

[rixalex]

Failing State that was visited by Obama and today the world bank predicts a bright economic future. Now who gets the part of the horses arse in panto this christmas. We'the red clan are in the ascendency and it must be sh1t for the other crowd. Your band of believers on this forum must be at best minimal. Basically nobodys listening

Ridiculous beliefs aside, i will say one thing, it's refreshing for a member of the "red clan" to be so candid and honest - usually your clan members hide behind a silly see-through pretence of being non-partisan and pro-democracy. I thank you for not insulting our intelligence with it.

[EarthAlien]

Whilst this is ridiculous it should be a lesson to Abhisit for not being more tenacious in going after Thaksin when he had the opportunity. Furthermore, when PTP fielded their rep Yingluck Shinawatra, the Abhisit and the dems should have had PTP disqualified as a legitimate running party due to obvious family persuasion and the inappropriate proposition of a proxy party ruled by a convicted criminal being allowed to run for government.

Now that PTP/Red-Shirts are the ruling power they are trying to exonerate themselves from any wrongdoing and are bluntly lying about the fact that they were armed aggressors that initiated violence, drew first blood and then burnt the city down as well as destroying many livelihoods in the process.

All of that said,.. I firmly believe that Abhisit is a man of honor and that he would willingly accept the consequences of the Kangaroo Court of Thailand in doing whatever time may be given him. Unlike Mr T., Mr Abhisit would not run from a court verdict and would serve his time and by doing so could end up as a kind of Thai version of Nelson Mandela or Aung San Ku Chi as everybody (except the most hardline and ignorant reds) knows what is really going on here.

Every dog has its day,..... Mr T. will have his in due course,... not sure whether that's 2 or 20 years away but it's coming!

[15Peter20]

One thing you have to give to the corrupt scum of the DSI. When they decide to do a hachet job, they go for broke. Scum.

Easy there, tiger. The DSI don't have an effective mind of their own so we shouldn't be too harsh on them. They do what the government of the day wants them to do.

Under the Dems, the DSI denied any army involvement in the deaths of 2 years ago, under this government, they're going to an opposite extreme.

If you want the DSI to act as you would like, try to ensure your favorite political party achieves power by any means possible, be it by way of voting, a coup, or years of online bickering.

[smedly]

Now it's getting interesting. You're talking assault. So, is Yingluck also liable for charges for ordering that the police ensure the protest for Siam Pitak was 'policed' resulting indirectly in people getting bruised from clashing with the riot squad. I'm interested to see how the courts deal with this. Will they consider the main charge of murder first and determine that under a SoE they are not culpable therefore all other charges should be thrown out, meaning the DSI has wasted a great deal of public money chasing this hatchet job. Counter charges against Tarit for Malfeasance perhaps?

actually if you read a statement by "Charlerm I believe" just before the event he stated that all operations conducted by the police were the resonsibility of police commanders and not the government therefore attempting to pass all resposibility away from the government

[smedly]

so basically, if found guilty, the government of the day cannot do anything more than send in police or army with batons or shields knowing that other side has arms?

you tell everyone you're coming in armed, they don't surrender and some fire back and the armed forces can't fight back. this potential guilty verdict has massive implications for the rule of law in Thailand.

does this mean if a policeman shoots a criminal during criminal activity, his family can sue for murder and compensation. not even the Thai system can be so stupid to find them guilty. more shame on the system for accepting the charges.

actually no - in crowd control situations involving violent armed protestors if you send in the police or army they must leave their guns at the gate - if this wasn't so serious it would be hilarious

[smedly]

Now it's getting interesting. You're talking assault. So, is Yingluck also liable for charges for ordering that the police ensure the protest for Siam Pitak was 'policed' resulting indirectly in people getting bruised from clashing with the riot squad. I'm interested to see how the courts deal with this. Will they consider the main charge of murder first and determine that under a SoE they are not culpable therefore all other charges should be thrown out, meaning the DSI has wasted a great deal of public money chasing this hatchet job. Counter charges against Tarit for Malfeasance perhaps?

I guess they could, but it would be continuing the pathetic tit-for-tat red shirt approach. Something tells me the lack of immediate response by to this today from the two people being persecuted by the "authorities" of this failing state means indicates to me a more considered response will be given soon, and I highly doubt giving in to an amnesty agreement will be any part of it. My own guess is a higher court ordering an investigation of the DSI itself, as its impartial credibility is now in tatters.

To anybody who isn't a part of the sponsored or brainwashed red flock, the first murder charges were nothing short of an embarrassment to legal process, and not one red cheerleader on this forum could honestly admit they believed it was being done solely for reasons of justice.

This "center" now sets a much lower bar. Again, does anybody here really believe this is about justice?

Failing State that was visited by Obama and today the world bank predicts a bright economic future. Now who gets the part of the horses arse in panto this christmas. We'the red clan are in the ascendency and it must be sh1t for the other crowd. Your band of believers on this forum must be at best minimal. Basically nobodys listening

the world bank and everyone else makes these statements based on information and figures they are given by the government - they have a habit of telling little white lies - does anyone think Thailand is in good shape right now, I'll bet there is a lot of foreign currency being bought right now because the baht is about to go down the toilet

[Crushdepth]

this sets a ludicrous legal standard

It certainly flushes DSI's credibility down the toilet. They need a sign out the front of their HQ: "Recently purchased by Thaksin".

[khunken]

Yes, it does look like they are going for broke. That's Thaksin's modus operandi to a tee.

So now 'reconciliation' is a gun to the head.

As I've said before, the country is being taken down the Zimbabwe route to one party rule.

[Nickymaster]

Yes, it does look like they are going for broke. That's Thaksin's modus operandi to a tee.

So now 'reconciliation' is a gun to the head.

As I've said before, the country is being taken down the Zimbabwe route to one party rule.

Talkin about "reconciliation". Jatuporn makes an interesting comment.

Key Red Shirt leader Jatuporn Prompan on Thursday told reporters at the court that the group would "fight the case to the end".

"But people of every political group should be granted an amnesty," he said.

http://www.geo.tv/GeoDetail.aspx?ID=79602

[siampolee]

Key Red Shirt leader Jatuporn Prompan on Thursday told reporters at the court that the group would "fight the case to the end".

"But people of every political group should be granted an amnesty," he said.

Seems as if Jutuporn is marching to a different drumbeat now having realised that his neck is likely to be in the Thaksin noose. What a reward for being a dupe and cannon fodder for the Thaksin tribe.

Having seen just how fickle justice is under the current maladministration the beast begins to howl,

What price loyalty now Jutuporn ?, .

The charges laid against Abihisit and Suthep are as we and the whole world knows are without foundation. A government that was under siege and a city that was under siege by a rabid terrorist organisations reacts after protracted discussions and sensible offers and warnings yet 2 years later those actions are considered illegal.

Nary a word concerning the arson attacks, looting of property,, hospital invasions,, slaughter of the personnel appointed to uphold the law.

Thailand needs to wake up to reality and act or the country and its peoples will be nothing more than a vassal state of the Shinawatra clan

We can all see how democracy is viewed under the puppet master and his brown nosing acolytes

[Skywalker69]

Yes, it does look like they are going for broke. That's Thaksin's modus operandi to a tee.

So now 'reconciliation' is a gun to the head.

As I've said before, the country is being taken down the Zimbabwe route to one party rule.

Zimbgreace..........nightmare........bigtime.

[Vinny1967]

Unbelievable.Just reading through this thread and seeing some of the comments being made has left me bewildered.Why are so many foreigners getting worked up by Thai politics ?.It's not like you've got a say in this land.I've lived in a few countries and never got involved in any sort of political nonsense.Haven't voted since I was 18 because in my eyes all politicians are corrupt in one way or another.They all abuse power and money.It doesn't matter what country you're in,the government is only interested in itself.Thai politics have been screwed up for decades and a few expats ain't going to change that.So why bother picking sides ?.Better the devil you know ?

[hellodolly]

Key Red Shirt leader Jatuporn Prompan on Thursday told reporters at the court that the group would "fight the case to the end".

"But people of every political group should be granted an amnesty," he said.

Seems as if Jutuporn is marching to a different drumbeat now having realised that his neck is likely to be in the Thaksin noose. What a reward for being a dupe and cannon fodder for the Thaksin tribe.

Having seen just how fickle justice is under the current maladministration the beast begins to howl,

What price loyalty now Jutuporn ?, .

The charges laid against Abihisit and Suthep are as we and the whole world knows are without foundation. A government that was under siege and a city that was under siege by a rabid terrorist organisations reacts after protracted discussions and sensible offers and warnings yet 2 years later those actions are considered illegal.

Nary a word concerning the arson attacks, looting of property,, hospital invasions,, slaughter of the personnel appointed to uphold the law.

Thailand needs to wake up to reality and act or the country and its peoples will be nothing more than a vassal state of the Shinawatra clan

We can all see how democracy is viewed under the puppet master and his brown nosing acolytes

I don't see his head in a noose any more. Thaksin is done with him and he is just cannon fodder. His statement shows he is in bad need of a cheap pad like the government is buying from China for the first graders.