Is It Worth It

[robblok]

how about everything in moderation,a little bit of what you fancy,small meal portions,gentle,regular exercise like swimming and walking,doing all the things you in enjoy.

to me the topic poster's regime sounds stressful(continually thinking about things to keep him well)and stress is a worse killer than many perceived unhealthy habits.

The OP has transformed himself through these stressful methods. He doesn't want to be ordinary. Each to their own.

If everyone had your idea there wouldn't be any sports to watch on TV. All competitive sports require dedication, hard work and sacrifices.

I agree,, but not about the stressful thing, no mental stress, physical maybe.. but mental surely no.

[robblok]

To add actually after a day of working with my brains i actually like the workout and feel fresh afterwards. (mentally at least). In the past i have noticed i get stressful and grumpy if i don't have a physical thing to do to blow of steam. So in a way it helps me.

[Naam]

To add actually after a day of working with my brains i actually like the workout and feel fresh afterwards. (mentally at least). In the past i have noticed i get stressful and grumpy if i don't have a physical thing to do to blow of steam. So in a way it helps me.

you don't have a girlfriend to do some physical things?

[robblok]

To add actually after a day of working with my brains i actually like the workout and feel fresh afterwards. (mentally at least). In the past i have noticed i get stressful and grumpy if i don't have a physical thing to do to blow of steam. So in a way it helps me.

you don't have a girlfriend to do some physical things?

That never last more then a few hours, so i still got steam then. She does not agree to a harem so i will go to the weight room for some exercise

[tropo]

how about everything in moderation,a little bit of what you fancy,small meal portions,gentle,regular exercise like swimming and walking,doing all the things you in enjoy.

to me the topic poster's regime sounds stressful(continually thinking about things to keep him well)and stress is a worse killer than many perceived unhealthy habits.

The OP has transformed himself through these stressful methods. He doesn't want to be ordinary. Each to their own.

If everyone had your idea there wouldn't be any sports to watch on TV. All competitive sports require dedication, hard work and sacrifices.

I agree,, but not about the stressful thing, no mental stress, physical maybe.. but mental surely no.

For sure there's mental stress. You meticulously prepare every meal. When you walk past the ice cream shop you have to resist. You have to say no to a drinking session with your friends.

[robblok]

The drinking never was a problem, never liked that anyway. I drank to get drunk no other reason. Prefer to go fishing with friends they can chug as much beer as they want then. About the meal preparation, actually my food does not take time at all to prepare its so easy.

But the icecream.. there you got a point

[transam]

Any life is for your living, whether natural or other wise death most of us have little warning. If we worried all the time we would not participate in dangerous sports (me) let alone what we digest.

Do what YOU want and the grim reaper will knock on your door at HIS right time.

[Naam]

Fat burning takes a break with alcohol in the system. Alcohol is a poison which the body must metabolize before it gets back to fat as an energy source.

alcohol is indeed a poison which should be destroyed. that applies especially to high calory portwine which i buy, take home in order to destroy it there. usually destruction time is in the evenings and final disposal is done the following mornings.

[robblok]

Any life is for your living, whether natural or other wise death most of us have little warning. If we worried all the time we would not participate in dangerous sports (me) let alone what we digest.

Do what YOU want and the grim reaper will knock on your door at HIS right time.

I am not that worried about death but if you see it happen a few times near you you do wonder about it. I drive a motorbike and car in Thailand so i don't worry too much.

[Naam]

Any life is for your living, whether natural or other wise death most of us have little warning. If we worried all the time we would not participate in dangerous sports (me) let alone what we digest.

Do what YOU want and the grim reaper will knock on your door at HIS right time.

not if you drink a glass of flaxseed oil regularly. then the grim reaper arrives a few years earlier

[robblok]

Any life is for your living, whether natural or other wise death most of us have little warning. If we worried all the time we would not participate in dangerous sports (me) let alone what we digest.

Do what YOU want and the grim reaper will knock on your door at HIS right time.

not if you drink a glass of flaxseed oil regularly. then the grim reaper arrives a few years earlier

That might be the case for sure.. a glass of flaxseed oil.. hmmm doubt its good for digestion too.

[Naam]

To add actually after a day of working with my brains i actually like the workout and feel fresh afterwards. (mentally at least). In the past i have noticed i get stressful and grumpy if i don't have a physical thing to do to blow of steam. So in a way it helps me.

you don't have a girlfriend to do some physical things?

That never last more then a few hours, so i still got steam then. She does not agree to a harem so i will go to the weight room for some exercise

only a few hours?

[robblok]

To add actually after a day of working with my brains i actually like the workout and feel fresh afterwards. (mentally at least). In the past i have noticed i get stressful and grumpy if i don't have a physical thing to do to blow of steam. So in a way it helps me.

you don't have a girlfriend to do some physical things?

That never last more then a few hours, so i still got steam then. She does not agree to a harem so i will go to the weight room for some exercise

only a few hours?

Yes at that time she gets tired

[JSixpack]

To publish such a Sturm und Drang attitude towards a healthy lifestyle discourages and misleads newbies.

With a low carb diet you can eat all you want (excluding the sugar and starches, which you come not to desire) with cheese, meat, and fat.

And there's no need to sweat and suffer in the gym: moderate exercise such as walking and bodyweight exercises a few times a week are fine and hardly stressful while watching videos or listening to music in your own house or apartment.

That leaves room for the Port wine (actually, fine bourbon in my case) and the occasional Cuban cigar (ah!). I'm with Naam on those--life is too short to be lived without them--and good sex, of course.

It needn't be stressful or particularly difficult, though a rank newbie may find it so.

[tropo]

. If we worried all the time we would not participate in dangerous sports (me) let alone what we digest.

I don't for the reason I do fear death.

[tropo]

Any life is for your living, whether natural or other wise death most of us have little warning. If we worried all the time we would not participate in dangerous sports (me) let alone what we digest.

Do what YOU want and the grim reaper will knock on your door at HIS right time.

not if you drink a glass of flaxseed oil regularly. then the grim reaper arrives a few years earlier

True. Flaxseed oil deteriorates rapidly and if you consume rancid oil on a regular basis you will die earlier.

[robblok]

To publish such a Sturm und Drang attitude towards a healthy lifestyle discourages and misleads newbies.

With a low carb diet you can eat all you want (excluding the sugar and starches, which you come not to desire) with cheese, meat, and fat.

And there's no need to sweat and suffer in the gym: moderate exercise such as walking and bodyweight exercises a few times a week are fine and hardly stressful while watching videos or listening to music in your own house or apartment.

That leaves room for the Port wine (actually, fine bourbon in my case) and the occasional Cuban cigar (ah!). I'm with Naam on those--life is too short to be lived without them--and good sex, of course.

It needn't be stressful or particularly difficult, though a rank newbie may find it so.

actually i dont find it stressful at all.. maybe to some but not to all.

[tropo]

To publish such a Sturm und Drang attitude towards a healthy lifestyle discourages and misleads newbies.

With a low carb diet you can eat all you want (excluding the sugar and starches, which you come not to desire) with cheese, meat, and fat.

And there's no need to sweat and suffer in the gym: moderate exercise such as walking and bodyweight exercises a few times a week are fine and hardly stressful while watching videos or listening to music in your own house or apartment.

That leaves room for the Port wine (actually, fine bourbon in my case) and the occasional Cuban cigar (ah!). I'm with Naam on those--life is too short to be lived without them--and good sex, of course.

It needn't be stressful or particularly difficult, though a rank newbie may find it so.

actually i dont find it stressful at all.. maybe to some but not to all.

Maybe not today, but you've put yourself through a considerable amount of stress over the last year - many of your training posts will attest to that.

[robblok]

To publish such a Sturm und Drang attitude towards a healthy lifestyle discourages and misleads newbies.

With a low carb diet you can eat all you want (excluding the sugar and starches, which you come not to desire) with cheese, meat, and fat.

And there's no need to sweat and suffer in the gym: moderate exercise such as walking and bodyweight exercises a few times a week are fine and hardly stressful while watching videos or listening to music in your own house or apartment.

That leaves room for the Port wine (actually, fine bourbon in my case) and the occasional Cuban cigar (ah!). I'm with Naam on those--life is too short to be lived without them--and good sex, of course.

It needn't be stressful or particularly difficult, though a rank newbie may find it so.

actually i dont find it stressful at all.. maybe to some but not to all.

Maybe not today, but you've put yourself through a considerable amount of stress over the last year - many of your training posts will attest to that.

I think we see things different stress wise, i agree i put my body through a lot. Stress i see as a mental thing but iI agree physical i did a lot.

[transam]

Me in my 7 decade go for it at the gym, the young guys scratch their heads, how does he do it. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell, it's in my head to do it, nothing else, a fight between me and myself after years of illness. Your head controls what you really want to achieve.

[nontabury]

Me in my 7 decade go for it at the gym, the young guys scratch their heads, how does he do it. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell, it's in my head to do it, nothing else, a fight between me and myself after years of illness. Your head controls what you really want to achieve.

100% true.it's the only way to think if you want to live long and healthy.

[Naam]

To publish such a Sturm und Drang attitude towards a healthy lifestyle discourages and misleads newbies.

With a low carb diet you can eat all you want (excluding the sugar and starches, which you come not to desire) with cheese, meat, and fat.

And there's no need to sweat and suffer in the gym: moderate exercise such as walking and bodyweight exercises a few times a week are fine and hardly stressful while watching videos or listening to music in your own house or apartment.

That leaves room for the Port wine (actually, fine bourbon in my case) and the occasional Cuban cigar (ah!). I'm with Naam on those--life is too short to be lived without them--and good sex, of course.

It needn't be stressful or particularly difficult, though a rank newbie may find it so.

to shed 5 pounds in 5 days i used in olden times a zero calorie diet. later whenever i went beyond my "fighting weight" i did two weeks of Atkins. but none of the two methods work since years. zero calories is impossible with fridges at arm's length and Atkins does not work anymore (in my case) combined with alcohol even if i drop the sweet high calorie port and switch to Vodka, Scotch or Bourbon.

[Naam]

Me in my 7 decade go for it at the gym, the young guys scratch their heads, how does he do it. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell, it's in my head to do it, nothing else, a fight between me and myself after years of illness. Your head controls what you really want to achieve.

100% true.it's the only way to think if you want to live long and healthy.

Fauja Singh, 100 years old, running marathon!

[robblok]

Me in my 7 decade go for it at the gym, the young guys scratch their heads, how does he do it. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell, it's in my head to do it, nothing else, a fight between me and myself after years of illness. Your head controls what you really want to achieve.

100% true.it's the only way to think if you want to live long and healthy.

Fauja Singh, 100 years old, running marathon!

Respect And i don't mean that sarcastically.

[tropo]

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[LaoPo]

Yes, thin people get heart attacks too.

I'm not saying don't lose weight. I'm saying try to avoid stereotyping and simplifying. Human health is very complex.

Beginning of last year I was about 17% fat - that was healthy. Now I'm under 10% - this is vanity - I don't deny it. You certainly don't need to be this low to be healthy.

WOW...you burned that much fat, sitting behind your computer? (almost 13,000 posts) Amazing!

[robblok]

Some people seem to think i am obsessed and under a lot of stress, and depriving myself of a lot of fun.

Just to make a few things clear unlike Tropo i enjoy my workouts, not all of them and sometimes i have to push myself to do them but afterwards i am always happy. Food wise, yes ice cream is something i like to eat so yes in that way i do deprive myself but its not a nagging feeling that i need it. Actually food wise im ok i am happy with what i eat even though i weigh it.

Not drinking alcohol is really not a problem for me, i never liked the taste of it i drank to get drunk nothing else. My socialising i do while fishing or just meeting friends over diner (yes i can eat out at times sizler making good choices Oishi buffet with salmon its just not a regular thing).

For me the workouts actually help me after a day of working my brain im happy to exercise and in my busy periods the weight session actually helps me to get more work done because after the session i can work again. If i had gone on working i would have been less productive.. we all know that if you work too long you get less done as when you are rested.

I just posted this for those who thought i was living some Spartan life, and sure if you were to do what i do all at once it would feel Spartan, but remember i build this op slowly a modification here and there. Cutting out this or that. Not woke up one day and went from all to nothing.

[tropo]

Yes, thin people get heart attacks too.

I'm not saying don't lose weight. I'm saying try to avoid stereotyping and simplifying. Human health is very complex.

Beginning of last year I was about 17% fat - that was healthy. Now I'm under 10% - this is vanity - I don't deny it. You certainly don't need to be this low to be healthy.

WOW...you burned that much fat, sitting behind your computer? (almost 13,000 posts) Amazing!

Ok smartass. I don't post all that much on a daily basis - it's almost 12,000 and that's from 2006. It would be less than an average of 4 a day these days - that's under 1500 in a year - and I'm a touch typist so these posts take a minute or so at most.

I didn't burn 10kg of fat. I dieted most of that off.... and that was done slowly over a whole year. 1kg per month is hardly a lot to lose.

I hope this clears up your obvious confusion.

[tropo]

Some people seem to think i am obsessed and under a lot of stress, and depriving myself of a lot of fun.

Just to make a few things clear unlike Tropo i enjoy my workouts, not all of them and sometimes i have to push myself to do them but afterwards i am always happy.

There's some confusion here. I don't think you and I are any different regarding our "enjoyment" of working out, unless I'm training a lot harder than you are?????

I'm not talking about feeling better afterward - yes I do too. I'm talking about the actual workout, while you're doing it.

Ok, here's a sample of tonight's workout. Supersetting standing barbell presses (62.5kg) with heavy machine rows for 10 sets of 10 reps with 90 seconds rest between supersets. The last 6 sets or so were max 10 rep sets, meaning I went to failure on each one... not always managing the full 10 reps.

That's only the start. Other supersets followed, all timed. I couldn't say I enjoyed doing my weighted crunches either - that's positively painful... as are my high rep calf raises and machine lateral raises. I push most of my sets into the pain zone but I'm not a masochist - I don't enjoy it while I'm at it. The pain and hard work serves the purpose of pushing the body to new heights, but it's nothing to do with enjoyment. It's hard and often painful work.

Another workout involves 10x10 on squats, timed too. That's brutal!

I don't see how anyone could actually enjoy this. That would be quite weird actually. I'm not talking about the sense of achievement and great pump afterward. Sure, it feels great afterward, like it would if you stopped banging your head against a wall.

I treat it strictly as a job. I plan my workouts before I go and work the plan to get the job done.

I believe this is the secret to longevity at the gym, not "enjoyment". A lot of jobs must be done everyday - many are not enjoyable. Does anyone actually enjoy washing up in the kitchen or brushing their teeth every day?

[robblok]

Tropo,

On compound exercises i go to failure or close to it (you probably know as well as me you learn to guess when it is and not often guess wrong). Other exercises i go for form but that does not mean its not heavy. The only exercise i truely hate is dead-lifts after every set i need to lie down and catch my breath if i do them real heavy. I hate them with all my heart but once they are done. With other exercises i actually enjoy the heavy workout maybe not at that moment but once a set is completed .