At least someone is thinking ahead for the betterment of Thailand, but ten years is a long time to wait for any implementation and by then the PTP/Thaksin will have spent all the reserves, thrown the country into huge loan deals and the western backers will be in like Flynn.

I think you'll find they will be looking at ten years of data, not taking ten years to make policy!

set up a new institute

I'm disappointed they decided not to call it a "think tank".

Or a Think Hub.

Actually that is what scares me so far what good have academics done for Thailand?

They claim to know more than the Dutch on water management hence no change in the water mismanagement.

they take polls right left and center all polls are custom made to deliver predetermined results.

Just out of curiosity would any of these people be able to get a job in the real world. That is other than politics.

This report will make interesting reading at the very least - what could they hope to learn from the one year period of Military Junta rule?

General (ret.) Surayud Chulanont was made head of Thailand's interim government between 2006 and 2008.

He commanded troops during Bloody May, the violent 1992 crackdown on anti-government protestors, but he denied giving his men the order to shoot protesters.

Surayud's government was a controversial one. There was a significant worsening in perceived levels of corruption during his government

Surayud raised the military budget by 35% and was accused of economic mismanagement, rampant human rights abuses, and flip-flopping on numerous policies. Article 19 ranked Thailand as falling behind Cambodia and Indonesia in terms of freedom of expression. Thailand's economic growth rate slowed to the lowest level in five years and was ranked the lowest in the region

Then again......................

Clearly there is a lot to learn from that period.

the very fact the misguided dog tried to minimize it speaks to the fact that their is a lot to learn.

Ha but what do you expect from a dog that thinks 5,84 billion is almost 10 billion per his post on the police stations thread.

Hey, if it means they can come up with sustainable alternative developments to the situation there is now, its all good.

I just have always felt that the Dems are very distant from reality in the poorest areas of Thailand, and have always clung to the "status quo" in terms of planning for the development ofthese parts Thailand. I don't like what PTP is doing to the rice market, but clinging to the old status quo wouldn't have changed an exploitative and outdated model also. This goes for just about every commodity agribusiness export in the country.

If they can come up with a viable alternative to prevent farmers getting exploited by the middle men, then I will take their hat off to them. Problem is, they will lose a lot of backers politically if they start messing with these marketing systems too much. Then education, well, where to start and where to stop in any analysis?

If they really do this properly, it will be an enormous tome of great value, because there are very few things that can't be tweaked or improved if one puts one's mind to realising the issues facing Thailand at the moment.

I really don't see where the Dems are any farther disconnected from the poor sections of Thailand than the PT. The PT and there predecessors have had a lot of time to do some thing about it. The main difference is the PT has learned how to get votes out of it.

At any rate I whole heartedly agree with you draw up a plan it can always be tweaked. My main concern is would it be strictly a plan for the benefit of Thailand or would some of it be contingent on the Dems well being.

Possibly if they could keep the betterment of there party or for that matter any party out of it the party in power would be willing to look at it and see what they thought was good in it and go for it.To achieve this end they will need a party with a leader here in Thailand as this would be a hands on Job.

wishful thinking I think.

the very fact the misguided dog tried to minimize it speaks to the fact that their is a lot to learn.

Ha but what do you expect from a dog that thinks 5,84 billion is almost 10 billion per his post on the police stations thread.

"Ha but what do you expect from a dog that thinks 5,84 billion is almost 10 billion per his post on the police stations thread"

Do behave Dolly!

from the other OP "The project called for the construction of 396 police stations worth Bt5.84 billion and 163 police flats worth Bt3.7 billion"

Added together thats Bt 9.54 billion, almost 10 Billion in my book, how about yours, Dolly? I won't hold my breath for an apology.

The best thing they could ever do, is put the former Singaporean education minister on a retainer, and get him over here. Give him whatever he needs to come up with a step by step plan to pull the system up by its bootstraps.

Good idea, actually the Singapore Education Ministry has a very credible education consulting service, it's operated now for quite a few years, has a long list of solid and clever achievements with off shore contracts and has eared his money for Singapore.

Just some examples, It's credited with very valuable and proven work to successfuly generate big change in several ex Eastern block countries and Vietnam,

All well and good, but they need to be seen as well as actually doing something constructive, like getting their hands dirty, being out and about talking to and involved in the day to day struggles of the poorer people of this country, like the subsistence farmers, the lowly paid labourers, and those living on the streets with nowhere to go. Grandiose plans have never cured any real problem - they are mainly hot-air, mirrors, and slight-of-hand.

But the red shirts do not normally allow anyone remotely Democrat anywhere near their people in case they actually learn something different apart from red propaganda.

Lots of good points:

- The dems do need to get much closer to the rural poor and the unskilled workers, and they must put their thinking caps on to establish that contact. Also true to make any gains the rural poor etc., will need to see something valuable very quickly, promises which will take 10 years to materialize will not work.

- True the reds will do everything they can to keep the dems out of Esaan etc., even violence and severe harrassment / fear tactics. The dems will have to work hard to get past this.

- The pt have gained many votes through the reds and by offering many populist promises. Actually their tactics are not really all that clever, they are quite simple, the difference is that parties which some morals would not be so (blatantly) manipulative. Again the dems need to work on some clever strategies and explanations (which can hold water) to diminish the impact pt / the reds have gained through their manipulative and immoral strategies.

A big challenge, but IMHO Abhisit along with Dr. Surin and Khun Korn can crack it. Their biggest initial challenge is to surround themselves with credible and moral people.

And they must gain speed.

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All well and good, but they need to be seen as well as actually doing something constructive, like getting their hands dirty, being out and about talking to and involved in the day to day struggles of the poorer people of this country, like the subsistence farmers, the lowly paid labourers, and those living on the streets with nowhere to go. Grandiose plans have never cured any real problem - they are mainly hot-air, mirrors, and slight-of-hand.

But the red shirts do not normally allow anyone remotely Democrat anywhere near their people in case they actually learn something different apart from red propaganda.

Lots of good points:

- The dems do need to get much closer to the rural poor and the unskilled workers, and they must put their thinking caps on to establish that contact. Also true to make any gains the rural poor etc., will need to see something valuable very quickly, promises which will take 10 years to materialize will not work.

- True the reds will do everything they can to keep the dems out of Esaan etc., even violence and severe harrassment / fear tactics. The dems will have to work hard to get past this.

- The pt have gained many votes through the reds and by offering many populist promises. Actually their tactics are not really all that clever, they are quite simple, the difference is that parties which some morals would not be so (blatantly) manipulative. Again the dems need to work on some clever strategies and explanations (which can hold water) to diminish the impact pt / the reds have gained through their manipulative and immoral strategies.

A big challenge, but IMHO Abhisit along with Dr. Surin and Khun Korn can crack it. Their biggest initial challenge is to surround themselves with credible and moral people.

And they must gain speed.

I think they may be able to crack it too, but it will need a massive sea change in what being a Thai Democrat means today.

Let's see.

All well and good, but they need to be seen as well as actually doing something constructive, like getting their hands dirty, being out and about talking to and involved in the day to day struggles of the poorer people of this country, like the subsistence farmers, the lowly paid labourers, and those living on the streets with nowhere to go. Grandiose plans have never cured any real problem - they are mainly hot-air, mirrors, and slight-of-hand.

But the red shirts do not normally allow anyone remotely Democrat anywhere near their people in case they actually learn something different apart from red propaganda.

Lots of good points:

- The dems do need to get much closer to the rural poor and the unskilled workers, and they must put their thinking caps on to establish that contact. Also true to make any gains the rural poor etc., will need to see something valuable very quickly, promises which will take 10 years to materialize will not work.

- True the reds will do everything they can to keep the dems out of Esaan etc., even violence and severe harrassment / fear tactics. The dems will have to work hard to get past this.

- The pt have gained many votes through the reds and by offering many populist promises. Actually their tactics are not really all that clever, they are quite simple, the difference is that parties which some morals would not be so (blatantly) manipulative. Again the dems need to work on some clever strategies and explanations (which can hold water) to diminish the impact pt / the reds have gained through their manipulative and immoral strategies.

A big challenge, but IMHO Abhisit along with Dr. Surin and Khun Korn can crack it. Their biggest initial challenge is to surround themselves with credible and moral people.

And they must gain speed.

I think they may be able to crack it too, but it will need a massive sea change in what being a Thai Democrat means today.

Let's see.

Let us hope they have the b_lls and the intelligence to get something underway and soon - otherwise the country will be held to ransom by the fugitive and his band on gangster for years to come.

Yes I'm sure you agree the democrats could hone their existing talents by referring to the old ex Generals particular skills.

Are you saying that you've never learnt from other peoples mistakes??

Ah, the old skool off topic technique - this thread is not about me - its about the democrats going back over the past 10 years to see where it all went wrong.

No, it's not about you. It's about learning from other peoples mistakes. That seems to be a foreign concept to some people.

Aren't we forgetting that the Thai philosophy is to repeat mistakes?

I'm not sure where the 'he did, so i can' childishness will end. Perhaps the 1party Democracy will bring that to an end.

All well and good, but they need to be seen as well as actually doing something constructive, like getting their hands dirty, being out and about talking to and involved in the day to day struggles of the poorer people of this country, like the subsistence farmers, the lowly paid labourers, and those living on the streets with nowhere to go. Grandiose plans have never cured any real problem - they are mainly hot-air, mirrors, and slight-of-hand.

But the red shirts do not normally allow anyone remotely Democrat anywhere near their people in case they actually learn something different apart from red propaganda.

Lots of good points:

- The dems do need to get much closer to the rural poor and the unskilled workers, and they must put their thinking caps on to establish that contact. Also true to make any gains the rural poor etc., will need to see something valuable very quickly, promises which will take 10 years to materialize will not work.

- True the reds will do everything they can to keep the dems out of Esaan etc., even violence and severe harrassment / fear tactics. The dems will have to work hard to get past this.

- The pt have gained many votes through the reds and by offering many populist promises. Actually their tactics are not really all that clever, they are quite simple, the difference is that parties which some morals would not be so (blatantly) manipulative. Again the dems need to work on some clever strategies and explanations (which can hold water) to diminish the impact pt / the reds have gained through their manipulative and immoral strategies.

A big challenge, but IMHO Abhisit along with Dr. Surin and Khun Korn can crack it. Their biggest initial challenge is to surround themselves with credible and moral people.

And they must gain speed.

good stuff as I said in my earlier post the Dems are as close to the poor as the PT. But like you say they have to workmuch harder on it. The poor have been brain washed into thinking that the {T is giving them steak when in fact they are giving them a bone.

It is like little kids they would rather have a bar of candy than a bowl of mush. The PT and there predecessors under various names have told them so long that they are getting steak from them and bones from the Dems that the poor believe them. To keep that believe alive the PT does nothing to educate them. In 2010 the red shirts actually set up there own schools to teach them that and nothing else.

Not exactly sure that the Dems have not made some in roads. Don't remember the details but did they not win a by election in red shirt land?

At any rate it would b e nice to see a good 10 year plan. At least the people could see what is possible as they continue on to give support to the people who don't want what is good for the people that is unless it will get them a vote then it is OK to do good.