93-Year Old Australian Accused Of Sexually Assaulting 4 Young Thai Children

[pumpuiman]

Let him rot....the pig should have to crawl into court.

So according to you he is guilty as charged - these are allegations. Does an allegation automatically mean guilt??

Let the courts decide his guilt or innocence before you start with the hang em high posts. After all one day a person may make an allegation against you. Would you want that allegation perceived as guilt?

I'm sure if it were your daughter you would want the case played out in court as well.

The pig has hundreds of photos and tried to run.

I have no pity for him....none....zero.

Your faith in the thai "justice" system amuses me. He's already admitted that he was approached for a bribe.

[Buchholz]

I really don't think the man is in any physical condition to do anything, except perhaps soil his underwear.

And what if the allegations cannot be substantiated? Are you in favour of detaining people based on an unsubstantiated allegations?

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He was in good enough physical condition to flee the country for weeks. He was also, if the allegations prove correct, fit enough to sexually assault children, which, as posted above, can take many forms.

By his own actions, he's a proven flight risk. Denying him bail is justified.

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Edited March 5, 2013 by Buchholz

[PoorSucker]

Several tasteless posts and responses removed.

[LarryBird]

Ever play count the perverts at Kad Suan Kaew? (Chiang Mai)

[hanuman2543]

Presumed innocent untill proven guilty.

Is this principle not honored by many TV members? Don't you all came from countries where this is a basic principle of the law? If you think it is right to judge him before a court delivers a sentence, you are the same hypocritical bunch like many of our hosts.

Edited March 5, 2013 by hanuman2543

[uptheos]

Ever play count the perverts at Kad Suan Kaew? (Chiang Mai)

I was there yesterday and saw 2 old guys and one had the shortest shorts imaginable and loose around the thighs. looked like a bloody super mini skirt. I'm not saying he's a pervert, but I reckon he was about 75 and certainly didn't care that he was getting lots of looks......perhaps welcomed it!

Edited March 5, 2013 by uptheos

[FDog]

Let him rot....the pig should have to crawl into court.

So according to you he is guilty as charged - these are allegations. Does an allegation automatically mean guilt??

Let the courts decide his guilt or innocence before you start with the hang em high posts. After all one day a person may make an allegation against you. Would you want that allegation perceived as guilt?

I'm sure if it were your daughter you would want the case played out in court as well.

The pig has hundreds of photos and tried to run.

I have no pity for him....none....zero.

Your faith in the thai "justice" system amuses me. He's already admitted that he was approached for a bribe.

Being approached for a bribe doesn't mean much. Good old mum could have said she was going to make a complaint to police of sexual assault unless he paid her money. Doesn't mean he has done anything, just that she is trying to bribe him. So it has no basis as to whether he has done anything.

But in any event, I have serious doubts of his innocence.

[LarryBird]

Presumed innocent untill proven guilty.

Is this principle not honored by many TV members? Don't you all came from countries where this is a basic principle of the law? If you think it is right to judge him before a court delivers a sentence, you are the same hypocritical bunch like many of our hosts.

In a court of law... Would you let someone hang around with your kids that got off on a technicality, like the police didn't have a proper search warrant, or maybe some key witnesses backed out because they didnt' want to relive past trauma? (Maybe not the best examples, but............) Use your brain.

[LarryBird]

Let's say someone punched you in the face unprovoked, but told the police you swung at them first.. Therefore claiming self defense.. The police bring no charges.. Would you feel like 'hey, the guy did nothing wrong, he hasn't been proven guilty? Therefore, he's innocent..'

[jonclark]

Let him rot....the pig should have to crawl into court.

So according to you he is guilty as charged - these are allegations. Does an allegation automatically mean guilt??

Let the courts decide his guilt or innocence before you start with the hang em high posts. After all one day a person may make an allegation against you. Would you want that allegation perceived as guilt?

I'm sure if it were your daughter you would want the case played out in court as well.

The pig has hundreds of photos and tried to run.

I have no pity for him....none....zero.

Your faith in the thai "justice" system amuses me. He's already admitted that he was approached for a bribe.

The last sentence is enough to suggest that the allegation may be just be that an allegation, as a pretext to extort money by a third party and its his failure to pay that had landed him in jail on potentially fabricated charges with fabricated evidence.

Maybe if i photoshopped your face onto an incriminating photo with a young boy that would make you guilt ?

[FDog]

Presumed innocent untill proven guilty.

Is this principle not honored by many TV members? Don't you all came from countries where this is a basic principle of the law? If you think it is right to judge him before a court delivers a sentence, you are the same hypocritical bunch like many of our hosts.

In a court of law... Would you let someone hang around with your kids that got off on a technicality, like the police didn't have a proper search warrant, or maybe some key witnesses backed out because they didnt' want to relive past trauma? (Maybe not the best examples, but............) Use your brain.

I don't have kids but I do get your point. I would not leave my kids alone with anyone I thought a bit dodgy. That isn't to say the person is guiltyof anything, just that I wouldn't be comfortable. That is regardless of whether that person was previously charged with anything or not. Just my view.

I get your point.

[jonclark]

Presumed innocent untill proven guilty.

Is this principle not honored by many TV members? Don't you all came from countries where this is a basic principle of the law? If you think it is right to judge him before a court delivers a sentence, you are the same hypocritical bunch like many of our hosts.

In a court of law... Would you let someone hang around with your kids that got off on a technicality, like the police didn't have a proper search warrant, or maybe some key witnesses backed out because they didnt' want to relive past trauma? (Maybe not the best examples, but............) Use your brain.

So whats the alternative guilty until proven innocent - So the onus is on the accused to prove they didn't do something.

[FDog]

Ever play count the perverts at Kad Suan Kaew? (Chiang Mai)

I was there yesterday and saw 2 old guys and one had the shortest shorts imaginable and loose around the thighs. looked like a bloody super mini skirt. I'm not saying he's a pervert, but I reckon he was about 75 and certainly didn't care that he was getting lots of looks......perhaps welcomed it!

I sometimes wonder if those guys actually own mirrors

But then again, oh shit look at me, I aint no fashionista. But I try.

[uptheos]

Ever play count the perverts at Kad Suan Kaew? (Chiang Mai)

I was there yesterday and saw 2 old guys and one had the shortest shorts imaginable and loose around the thighs. looked like a bloody super mini skirt. I'm not saying he's a pervert, but I reckon he was about 75 and certainly didn't care that he was getting lots of looks......perhaps welcomed it!

I sometimes wonder if those guys actually own mirrors

But then again, oh shit look at me, I aint no fashionista. But I try.

I agree about the mirrors, however;

I think there are certain guys that have no shame whatsoever.

I wear shorts, but no so high that the crown jewels are almost hanging out!

[macksview]

Ever play count the perverts at Kad Suan Kaew? (Chiang Mai)

I was there yesterday and saw 2 old guys and one had the shortest shorts imaginable and loose around the thighs. looked like a bloody super mini skirt. I'm not saying he's a pervert, but I reckon he was about 75 and certainly didn't care that he was getting lots of looks......perhaps welcomed it!

stop it please, you blokes are firing up my ped antenna, its bad enough when i am in rural thailand, now i will be going to the supermarket and "high pants" harry, is in for the second look

[uptheos]

Ever play count the perverts at Kad Suan Kaew? (Chiang Mai)

I was there yesterday and saw 2 old guys and one had the shortest shorts imaginable and loose around the thighs. looked like a bloody super mini skirt. I'm not saying he's a pervert, but I reckon he was about 75 and certainly didn't care that he was getting lots of looks......perhaps welcomed it!

stop it please, you blokes are firing up my ped antenna, its bad enough when i am in rural thailand, now i will be going to the supermarket and "high pants" harry, is in for the second look

I'm talking shorter and looser than this (who is NOT me by the way)

Edited March 5, 2013 by uptheos

[macksview]

no x 50 evil man you are uptheos, i am sure he is a harmless old bloke filling his car up uk pension day, using his wifes som tum discount vouchers.

where does he park on beach road pattaya?

[bunnaag]

mods why dont you close this topic till the court verdict is known

[uptheos]

mods why dont you close this topic till the court verdict is known

I watch the international news every morning.

There's always someone discussing the prosecution and defence side of a particular trial case.

I believe people here have the same rights.

[jonclark]

Let's say someone punched you in the face unprovoked, but told the police you swung at them first.. Therefore claiming self defense.. The police bring no charges.. Would you feel like 'hey, the guy did nothing wrong, he hasn't been proven guilty? Therefore, he's innocent..'

No system is perfect and there are always examples to show the inadequacies

Foreigner driving car a- Thai driving car b results in a Car Crash - whose to blame??

The foreigner because if he wasn't in Thailand the accident wouldn't have happened and he chose to come to Thailand therefore he's guilty of causing the accident.

[JeremyBowskill]

Let him rot....the pig should have to crawl into court.

So according to you he is guilty as charged - these are allegations. Does an allegation automatically mean guilt??

Let the courts decide his guilt or innocence before you start with the hang em high posts. After all one day a person may make an allegation against you. Would you want that allegation perceived as guilt?

legging it to Myannmar and posing au naturale with kiddies pretty much makes him look guilty wouldn't you say? Thai coppers are world famous for creating extra work for themselfs and going across borders for nothing. Assuming he is the dirty sex case he has been accused of I would be inclined to show him the exact compassion he showed the kids. Burn in hell scumbag.

!00% A paid up member of the hang em high brigade and proud of it!

Did you see these pictures that the police have alleged exist?

Were the pictures entered as evidence and his identity verified in court?

If not, then how can you be so certain the allegations are correct?

Where are these pictures that no one has seen? Maybe they exist and maybe the accused is indeed engaged in a lewd poses as alleged.

However, until someone verifies that the man is in the pictures and that there are any pictures, don't you think, one is entitled to be presumed innocent?

And to be honest, if I was accused of a horrific crime of which I was innocent, in consideration of how the justice system works in Thailand, I too would get out of Thailand as fast as I could and attempt to deal with the accusation from outside of Thailand. Unless one has a large amount of cash, it is very difficult to fight a serious case. I wouldn't want to rot in a Thai jail.

Iit would serve the public's best interest if there was a hearing on the admissability of the evidence and a determination of the man's involvement. In the meantime, the holding of someone of his age in prison serves no purpose. He is not a danger to society if he is required to maintain some bail conditions. And one cannot punish him, as he has been convicted of no crime. The odds are against the accused.

If you think he's not a danger on bail then you will be happy for him to live on bail next to your kids then I presume????

[Nisa]

Let him rot....the pig should have to crawl into court.

So according to you he is guilty as charged - these are allegations. Does an allegation automatically mean guilt??

Let the courts decide his guilt or innocence before you start with the hang em high posts. After all one day a person may make an allegation against you. Would you want that allegation perceived as guilt?

Wonder if you would be saying the same things if it was your kids he molested and then shared pornographic pictures of them (some with him in the photos) with others on the internet. Really can't help but wonder if you would be so confident in the ruling of a court that may decide he shouldn't have to stand trial for the rape of your children because he has become to frail.

[JeremyBowskill]

Let him rot....the pig should have to crawl into court.

So according to you he is guilty as charged - these are allegations. Does an allegation automatically mean guilt??

Let the courts decide his guilt or innocence before you start with the hang em high posts. After all one day a person may make an allegation against you. Would you want that allegation perceived as guilt?

legging it to Myannmar and posing au naturale with kiddies pretty much makes him look guilty wouldn't you say? Thai coppers are world famous for creating extra work for themselfs and going across borders for nothing. Assuming he is the dirty sex case he has been accused of I would be inclined to show him the exact compassion he showed the kids. Burn in hell scumbag.

!00% A paid up member of the hang em high brigade and proud of it!

The police could have been acting on a false tip-off. Have you seen this photos? No, I doubt you have. These are allegations, and you should wait for his trial. If he's guilty, then he can take his punishment after that. There have been cases in the UK where fathers have been arrested for having naked pictures of their kids. But they turned out to be innocent photos. Plenty of kids run around naked. Nothing wrong with nakedness. You have haven't seen any of the evidence, so just wait for a court to decide. From what I've read he seems guilty. But that doesn't mean he is. What do you want, for people to be locked up just because police made some extra effort. Maybe they'll make some extra effort to come after you one day. Then we can all assume you're guilty and hang you high. Hope you don't have any enemies that will set you up.

If I had seen the photos there would be no case to answer for him from 6ft down!

[FDog]

Let him rot....the pig should have to crawl into court.

So according to you he is guilty as charged - these are allegations. Does an allegation automatically mean guilt??

Let the courts decide his guilt or innocence before you start with the hang em high posts. After all one day a person may make an allegation against you. Would you want that allegation perceived as guilt?

Wonder if you would be saying the same things if it was your kids he molested and then shared pornographic pictures of them (some with him in the photos) with others on the internet. Really can't help but wonder if you would be so confident in the ruling of a court that may decide he shouldn't have to stand trial for the rape of your children because he has become to frail.

Which is exactly why courts are objective and not subjective.

[scotto]

A day not to be proud of being an aussie!

having scunbags like this as australians

hope he gets whats coming if he is found guilty

[simple1]

mods why dont you close this topic till the court verdict is known

I watch the international news every morning.

There's always someone discussing the prosecution and defence side of a particular trial case.

I believe people here have the same rights.

Cannot argue with the point you are making, but for some strange reason many posts trivialise when taking account the seriousness of the alleged offenses.

[fame1nexpleta]

Those poor kids. What a shame this man will most likely skirt his punishment with the relative ease of a near passing.

[Potosi]

Let him rot....the pig should have to crawl into court.

So according to you he is guilty as charged - these are allegations. Does an allegation automatically mean guilt??

Let the courts decide his guilt or innocence before you start with the hang em high posts. After all one day a person may make an allegation against you. Would you want that allegation perceived as guilt?

If dcutman's post is correct, they have pictures of the guy posing with these kids. I am the first one to say it may be a setup when foreigners are charged, but pictures are absolutely damning. I have seen Thai guys and foreigners setup for a money grab, but with the pictures I have to say high 'em high.

On the contrary. Easy to manufacture digital pictures.

Kraus was arrested in 2010 for the alledged crime. Now it's 2013. Odd. Everybody waiting for his colon cancer to finish him off?

[Xonax]

Well enough to flee to Burma = Well enough to serve jail time.

[GoldCoastFarang]

I think at the age of 93 he could possibly slip on a balcony and fall to his death and save a lot of trouble for the authorities.