Elderly Man With Five Year Overstay

[Ian Curtis]

But does the poor chap have a passport?

[CaitlinHappyMeal]

Please don't take this the wrong way it's just a question.

What would an embassy do if someone was simply left on their premises with no ID, no money, nothing, except a passport of that country?

er, am i missing something here but if you have a passport then surely you've got ID?

[candypants]

Please don't take this the wrong way it's just a question.

What would an embassy do if someone was simply left on their premises with no ID, no money, nothing, except a passport of that country?

er, am i missing something here but if you have a passport then surely you've got ID?

missed that part. Silly question.

[chutai]

Suspect nobody is interested in legalities (as with hospital not reporting) due to his age and condition so perhaps better to keep on back burner as he does not appear to have much of an option with return to home country even if able (although not sure if he would then have free treatment/housing perhaps)?

Certainly would be entitled to treatment, accommodation and shelter in UK.

As a non-resident he won't be entitled to treatment in the UK.

He'll be facing a grim time if he returns to the UK.

Can't be a UK national as there's a consulate in CM

[Jim walker]

This
can be a good warning to us all to make sure you have enough back up savings to
cover all eventualities and also some sort of medical insurance to cover any unexpected
health problems that might come about, rather than just spend your twilight
years pissing it up in some cheap bar.

[Suradit69]

Sounds like it's his own fault. I know it sounds harsh, but if you don't care about yourself, and don't care about others, then this is what you can expect. I've seen plenty of people like this. I won't help just because they are old. They chose the life, so they have to live by it. Neither his family or friends will help, so that says it all for me.

This situation makes it all the more sensible that the Thai government wants foreigners/tourists to have some health insurance, although this individual would probably have managed to slip through that net as well.

Still, in the thread about insurance some posters asserted that foreigners were never treated without charge at Thai hospitals. As this man's case illustrates, they do in some cases and they aren't in a rush to dump him on the streets, as would be the case with indigents at some American hospitals.

Of course the Thai hospitals' "generosity" shifts the burden onto the governement and eventually onto other patients who do pay for their own treatment.

It also illustrates that Thais are essentially compassionate (aside from his "family" who he appears to have alienated), in opposition to the constant barrage of negativity spewed in so many threads in TV.

Unfortunately, if an increasing number of indigent elderly farang place a burden on Thai hospitals and on Thai compassion, that will make it more difficult for the rest of us as immigrations and hospitals are forced to address the situation.

Edited March 22, 2013 by Suradit69

[Card]

Suspect nobody is interested in legalities (as with hospital not reporting) due to his age and condition so perhaps better to keep on back burner as he does not appear to have much of an option with return to home country even if able (although not sure if he would then have free treatment/housing perhaps)?

Certainly would be entitled to treatment, accommodation and shelter in UK.

What makes you think this? In my opinion he wouldn't.

[kiniyow]

He is Alone and dieing..So what he is on overstay..Let him die would be the right thing to do....No friends, No family..Nothing to much unusual about this and he is not alone in LOS I assure you..

[Emdog]

"Certainly would be entitled to treatment, accommodation and shelter in UK." So very lucky not a US citizen! Send him to one of Mother Teresa's dumps to die. Sounds like he earned some time in one of her detention centers.

[tragickingdom]

Nobody really cares about the legal status of an alien as long as he or she keeps low profile and abides most laws. It depends greatly from which European country he is. The Northern European embassies would surely borrow him the money for a ticket and the hospital care. Hopefully the chap in in a government hospital and not a private hospital. It underscores in any case why the Thai government is spot on to demand healthcare coverage for any foreigner, although this would have made no difference in his case.

Just put a lot of muscle on his embassy. Let the fax paper run out on their machines and flood their email boxes, the more annoying you are the more willing they are to wake up from a sate of hibernation.

[phuketjoy]

Hello,

I was in a serious accident 2 years ago and i was hospitalize and i was 3.5 years overstay so i knew i was in trouble since i had no insurrance i end up selling all my things the hospital did not let me leave the hospital untill i paid in full the bill of almost 400 000thb, right after leaving hospital i stayed at friend house untill i left back to North America,when i arrive at the airport i only had to pay 20 000thb that was it.but if you go immigration he will be arrested for overstay better to pay at the airport while leaving the country only airport no where else. they stamp in my passport 998days overstay and the amount paid plus one more stamp i ask if i would be able to come back and they said no problem. so i came back not long ago with the same passport with that stamp in it and here i am no problems at all... DO NOT PAY ANYWHERE ELSE THAN AIRPORT IMMIGRATION WHILE CHECKING IN !!!!

EMBASSIES WILL DO NOTHING TO HELP NO MATTER WHAT COUNTRY YOU COME FROM!!! OK!

[Bpuumike]

A sad story and one we should all ponder if we want to stay here.

Don't just ponder, plan ahead.

[belg]

this is the kind of person that makes immigration start to hate us all

deportation and ask the original country make his children / family pay the bill

[BusyBee123]

Please don't take this the wrong way it's just a question.

What would an embassy do if someone was simply left on their premises with no ID, no money, nothing, except a passport of that country?

Most Embassies, although they will try their hardest not to, would have no option other than repatriate him (if they are unable to get money from friends and family). When he arrives in his home country his passport would be impounded until the money was repaid - as for the overstay fine Embassies are not allowed to interfere in local law so that part would be left to the local immigration police as to whether they wished to press charges.

This sounds pretty much like I thought it would be, once on 'home' soil with nothing they have to do something, they can't throw you out into the street, it would make front page news in the person's home country at the speed of light..

The guy is not from the UK but others here have said if he was sent back he would get nothing and I say rubbish!

Organisations like Age UK, Shelter etc would have a field day. The guy would get treatment, no question. He would get shelter, no question and you can't be without money to buy food in the UK, so he would get that. Once he's been back a while and settled he will get all the benefits he's entitled to whether anyone on here from the UK, thinks so or not. He would be classed as extremely vulnerable and get looked after accordingly. What do people think the UK gov would do deport him?

think I'd rather do a stretch in the monkey house than have to endure a british care home!

Edited March 22, 2013 by BusyBee123

[orang37]

Sawasdee Khrup, Khun NancyL,

Whatever the context here, I feel compassion for this man, and he is very lucky to have someone like you trying to help him !

Wish I could help, but I have no "guanxi" (connections) here. If he's European, he must be from a very poor country, indeed, if they have no embassy in Bangkok.

take care, ~o:37;

[lubbkis]

Suspect nobody is interested in legalities (as with hospital not reporting) due to his age and condition so perhaps better to keep on back burner as he does not appear to have much of an option with return to home country even if able (although not sure if he would then have free treatment/housing perhaps)?

Certainly would be entitled to treatment, accommodation and shelter in UK.

What? Did someone say this guy is British? The popular conception that the UK has responsibility for the world's itinerant population is one we need to divest. It isn't true!

[lookingeast]

He's not the first and won't be the last. This guy might be on overstay but his family, friends and GF have rejected him. Nice situation to be in? Just hope it never happens to me with all the sympathetic OP's here.

I second that.

[GoodWesternGuy]

Suspect nobody is interested in legalities (as with hospital not reporting) due to his age and condition so perhaps better to keep on back burner as he does not appear to have much of an option with return to home country even if able (although not sure if he would then have free treatment/housing perhaps)?

Certainly would be entitled to treatment, accommodation and shelter in UK.

As a non-resident he won't be entitled to treatment in the UK.

He'll be facing a grim time if he returns to the UK.

Actually the UK treats anyone Free of Charge. I am here for a few more weeks and all medical treatment is free on the NHS no matter if you are a resident or not.

[Star Dust]

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/138238-overstaying-your-visa-can-be-fun/

[bigbamboo]

Please don't take this the wrong way it's just a question.

What would an embassy do if someone was simply left on their premises with no ID, no money, nothing, except a passport of that country?

It is the responsibility of the host country. Don't expect your own embassy to hold your hand, you must make your own arrangements. Having things like health insurence, people who can help you in case you are sick etc is something you must consider if you want to live her, just like living in any other country.

Some people with Thai wifes/family will become demented and lose their ability to communicate with them in Thai and only start speaking in their own language. It are things you must prepare for, just as you must prepare a will for when you die.

I wasn't asking on my behalf lol.

If I were dumped in the British Embassy with no means, I'd be on British soil?

Can't see them carrying me out and dumping me onto Thai territory if I were vulnerable............hmmm cancel that. maybe I can.

Or sticking you in a boat with no engine and pushing you out to sea.

[Thongkorn]

Another one living the dream, sorry but he made his choice,

[GoodWesternGuy]

This makes me think back to when I was in my 20's and I was helping a friend lay some tiles in an old people's home in Australia. There was an old man laying in bed crying and calling for his son over and over again. It was terrible! The rest of the residents were just sat staring off into space.

At the time I was just glad to be out of there but now I am in my early 50's it does make me wonder from time to time what it would be like to be old and frail in Thailand...

[ALFREDO]

This

can be a good warning to us all to make sure you have enough back up savings to

cover all eventualities and also some sort of medical insurance to cover any unexpected

health problems that might come about, rather than just spend -

- all.

To late.

[Fgis]

I am unwilling to help someone who has been cheating friends and family and family all his life: one day you need to pay !

[ALFREDO]

this is the kind of person that makes immigration start to hate us all

Why so theatrical? I do not think they care at all!

[rotary]

Please don't take this the wrong way it's just a question.

What would an embassy do if someone was simply left on their premises with no ID, no money, nothing, except a passport of that country?

If it was the US Embassy not much other than maybe contact family, strong on the maybe part.

[raven0099]

Maybe this guy made plans for when he was old but it all went wrong, perhaps due to drink and chasing after the younger women or more like being chased by the women when he had something they wanted.

[NeverSure]

I am unwilling to help someone who has been cheating friends and family and family all his life: one day you need to pay !

This thread loses me entirely. HOW in TF do you know he has been cheating friends and family - especially family back home?

And who can count on a Thai family who may have little themselves, even if they weren't just after the farang's money in the first place when he had some? Maybe the end of the ATM was the end of the family?

I have two adult children that I will never speak to again. My choice. They are alcoholics and drug addicts. I can't tell you how many times I tried to help, or how much serious cash I spent and loaned before I decided it wasn't helping. When I cut them off financially when the were about 40 years old, they stopped speaking to me which fit right in with my plans.

One of the primary reasons I want to move to Thailand is to escape family. So I will never be able to look back to family for help. They can't get themselves out of the fkn gutter.

People keep saying people should have insurance. If just one such expert here can tell me where I can get real medical insurance, even insurance that doesn't cover pre-existing conditions as a resident of Thailand, post it up. I dare you. I just turned 67. Go for it. Tell me.

So I must live in Thailand able to care for myself. I must not blow my money on any woman buying her a house or have kids or in any way jeopardize my savings and income. If I contacted my kids, they would beg for money, not offer money even if I was on my deathbed.

My friends are good yes, but after 20 years you lose track of them. Why would they do more than send me an airline ticket and offer me a couch for a while in 20 years? I can actually live on my social security and medicare in the US, so if I'm well enough to live, the best hope is to get back to the US, sleep on a couch until I can find a place, hook back up with medicare and die in the US.

My understanding is that to get a retirement visa in Thailand you have to have a good record in your home country, and money. If things go downhill from there my guess is that it was drugs or alcohol, or women who the guy succumbed to.

Don't be so hard on expats in Thailand who don't have a support system back home with family or friends. Those people may be part of the fkn reason they left the fkn place in the first place.

Edited March 22, 2013 by NeverSure

[attento]

Please don't take this the wrong way it's just a question.

What would an embassy do if someone was simply left on their premises with no ID, no money, nothing, except a passport of that country?

It is the responsibility of the host country. Don't expect your own embassy to hold your hand, you must make your own arrangements. Having things like health insurence, people who can help you in case you are sick etc is something you must consider if you want to live her, just like living in any other country.

Some people with Thai wifes/family will become demented and lose their ability to communicate with them in Thai and only start speaking in their own language. It are things you must prepare for, just as you must prepare a will for when you die.

There is misunderstanding by many travellers, of the rôle of an Embassy. It is not the function of an Embassy to help it's nationals to evade the Laws of the host country. However, there are many examples of sympathetic Embassy staff going out of their way to help distressed, fellow nationals.

Edited March 22, 2013 by attento

[attento]

Please don't take this the wrong way it's just a question.

What would an embassy do if someone was simply left on their premises with no ID, no money, nothing, except a passport of that country?

I guess it would depend to a great extent on which nation's embassy, because being inside an embassy is the same as being on that nation's home territory. Being outside on the doorstep is a different matter.