In a different topic, someone made an interesting point:

The Chinese certainly have a right to travel (even their government has finally agreed to that) but they are upsetting the business model of a number of guesthouses. Many, perhaps all, guesthouses rent rooms at or below the break-even point and count on selling food, drink and tours to make a profit. Unfortunately the Chinese, or those who stay in guesthouses, tend to be extremely frugal and don't spend money on the profit makers

My take: to be more frugal than the old backpacker demographic 15-20 years ago would take some doing.. In the end people are here to see the sights and experience local life, not to spend big on artificial crap like bungee jumping or go carting or whatever else local businesses thought they could flog on tourist hordes.

You see a little here and there in newspapers and magazines about some local people or local businesses finding fault for whatever reason with the new guests, but I strongly suspect that was in large part some very leading journalism and not any kind of actual survey *across all levels*. Not just the GM of the Meridien, the Bungee Jump business operator, but ALSO the granny in a small soi in the old town selling fruit shakes.. Chances are you will get a more positive response.

The small sois in the old city of Chiang Mai are a very vibrant area, in no small part because of all the backpackers independent travelers on a budget that visit (in decreasing numbers). That's laundry shops, coffee shops, massage places, small restaurants and I for one would hate to see them all go, in favor of the 4-5 star hotels.

Small. Business. Matters.

So my concern is not new guests. My concern is NOT having new guests in the budget sector: As places like Chiang Mai become bigger and more expensive, and neighboring countries much easier to travel to, many of the traditional backpacker demographic are skipping Chiang Mai, or Thailand as a whole. That impacts the vibrancy of the Old Town area, where building regulations and restrictions are in place against building high rise hotels (good!). My concern looks to be unfounded, however, because of something I totally didn't expect: independently travelling visitors from China, of all places! Not the retarded lot you see bussed around Pattaya, but regular 'new middle class' Chinese travelling by themselves, and on a budget.

And they're finding nothing short of what seems like an Oasis created specifically for them.. imagine living in a Chinese mega-city (i.e. any of them) where nobody has time for anything, no smiles, no space. And then you hit these little sois off the moat, with a friendly granny making a fruit shake just for you for 20 baht and having a little chit chat in whatever limited communication they might find in common.. yet it is more human interaction you'd get in a flashy shopping mall in Shanghai, Hong Kong or Bangkok.

Welcome to Chiang Mai!

I can't see what all the negativity directed at the Chinese visitors is about. I rent small motorbikes to them pretty much daily and to a man/woman, they are courteous and smiling and are the kind of trade that helps a small business through the low season. OK, they ride/drive like crap but at least they are happy doing it!

Cheers,

Pikey.

Edited April 27, 201313 yr by Pikey

I love this OP, Winnie; it's exactly right.

The October "Golden Week" is coming up. In the entire year, this is *the* time for Chinese to travel abroad. Chinese New Year is a long holiday, but most of it is spent in country, with family.

I think CM is in for a big onslaught of Chinese visitors this October. If businesses want to cash in, do some research and be prepared.

Hire someone who writes Chinese, get a Weibo account and get some followers. Join Chinese online forums, get Facebook friends, introduce yourselves on Chinese travel sites.

For the rest, drive carefully 'cause it's gonna be a real bitch on the roads.

Good luck one and all.

T

Young Chinese toursits are here because they watch the movie 'Lost in Thailand' or something like that. Otherwise they would've headed to Japan

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Just curious why my post was deleted?

Just curious why my post was deleted?

No posts deleted elektrified. Internet hiccup?

Young Chinese toursits are here because they watch the movie 'Lost in Thailand' or something like that. Otherwise they would've headed to Japan

Yep. Talked to a Thai ajarn friend at the university and that is his take on it also. He also said that they steal everything as souvenirs even toothpicks and some places are charging for 'missing' items.

Young Chinese toursits are here because they watch the movie 'Lost in Thailand' or something like that. Otherwise they would've headed to Japan

Yep. Talked to a Thai ajarn friend at the university and that is his take on it also. He also said that they steal everything as souvenirs even toothpicks and some places are charging for 'missing' items.

That's shocking. I always put toothpicks back

Just curious why my post was deleted?

No posts deleted elektrified. Internet hiccup?

Hmmm, thanks for that Tywais. Thought I saw it go through. Oh well.

Just curious why my post was deleted?

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Too bad they aborted millions of female fetuses, now the dudes outnumber the babes by millions. Expect them to tap some of the abundance here soon. And what is with the glasses? Seems like 80% wear glasses.

Too bad they aborted millions of female fetuses, now the dudes outnumber the babes by millions. Expect them to tap some of the abundance here soon. And what is with the glasses? Seems like 80% wear glasses.

Most of the Thai females I have heard comment on the subject, don't find the men attractive. They prefer Thai men.

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Some people feel they are special.

Yep

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Too bad they aborted millions of female fetuses, now the dudes outnumber the babes by millions. Expect them to tap some of the abundance here soon. And what is with the glasses? Seems like 80% wear glasses.

Opticians on every corner in most places in China. Genetic problem,very few of our many Chinese friends do not have some sort of eye problem. Those that don't wear glasses very likely are wearing contacts.

Too bad they aborted millions of female fetuses, now the dudes outnumber the babes by millions. Expect them to tap some of the abundance here soon. And what is with the glasses? Seems like 80% wear glasses.

It says somewhere!

Reporting in the journal Lancet, the authors note that up to 90% of young adults in major East Asian countries, including China, Taiwan, Japan, Singapore and South Korea, are nearsighted.!

best thing you can ever do for yourself for those too lazy to learn thai after all these years is to pick up Mandarin.

best thing you can ever do for yourself for those too lazy to learn thai after all these years is to pick up Mandarin.

If they have not bothered to learn Thai the same people are highly unlikely to even consider learning any other language at all as they will have felt there was no need.

Young Chinese toursits are here because they watch the movie 'Lost in Thailand' or something like that. Otherwise they would've headed to Japan

Yep. Talked to a Thai ajarn friend at the university and that is his take on it also. He also said that they steal everything as souvenirs even toothpicks and some places are charging for 'missing' items.

Stealing toothpicks? OMG, what next?

In Hong Kong the Japanese package tourists used to steal the pictures off the hotel room walls, the TV sets, and anything smaller.

I welcome the Chinese, always well-behaved( apart from this unfortunate yen for toothpicks), and a reminder of my 19 happy years with a Chinese partner.

The latest influx of Chinese make westerners like me look great by comparison

Let's see

Don't cut in lines or crowd people

Don't see how many people can be jammed in the elevator

Tipping and overall generosity

Drive in a straight line

Don't spit on the sidewalk.... I have noticed a lot more street and sidewalk loogies but maybe just my imagination

I even score points by translating Chinglish to Thai for street vendors.

Young Chinese toursits are here because they watch the movie 'Lost in Thailand' or something like that. Otherwise they would've headed to Japan

Yep. Talked to a Thai ajarn friend at the university and that is his take on it also. He also said that they steal everything as souvenirs even toothpicks and some places are charging for 'missing' items.

They start taking the moment they board the plane. Blankets, fork, spoon and even life jacket !!

Young Chinese toursits are here because they watch the movie 'Lost in Thailand' or something like that. Otherwise they would've headed to Japan

Yep. Talked to a Thai ajarn friend at the university and that is his take on it also. He also said that they steal everything as souvenirs even toothpicks and some places are charging for 'missing' items.

They start taking the moment they board the plane. Blankets, fork, spoon and even life jacket !!

...and yet most countries and businesses are wanting to attract more of these thieves. Is it because the percentage of pilferage is really exaggerated or is it because there is really money to be made from Chinese tourists?

actually don't bother to answer. I suspect those intent on focusing purely on anecdotal negatives of a few Chinese and extrapolating to apply to all 1 billion Chinese, are not very analytical anyway.

The bit about Lost in Thailand increasing tourist from China has been reported since the success the movie was noted. Not rocket science.

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Young Chinese toursits are here because they watch the movie 'Lost in Thailand' or something like that. Otherwise they would've headed to Japan

Yep. Talked to a Thai ajarn friend at the university and that is his take on it also. He also said that they steal everything as souvenirs even toothpicks and some places are charging for 'missing' items.

Stealing toothpicks? OMG, what next?

In Hong Kong the Japanese package tourists used to steal the pictures off the hotel room walls, the TV sets, and anything smaller.

I welcome the Chinese, always well-behaved( apart from this unfortunate yen for toothpicks), and a reminder of my 19 happy years with a Chinese partner.

I don't mind the Chinese tourists so much (when I have had interactions with them), but one of my Thai friends who owns/operates a guesthouse (at the very low end of the price scale) has nothing nice to say at all about the Chinese tourists she encounters on a daily basis... invariably if I ask how her day has been I will get a tale of a rude/ignorant/troublesome Chinese tourist. And its not just a case of them now making up more of her business, as when her place is full of westerners she definitely has far fewer problems.

My goal isnt to agitate by going against the general positive tone of the thread, but the influx of Chinese tourists/travelers is definitely not all roses like some seem to think.

has nothing nice to say at all about the Chinese tourists she encounters on a daily basis

Most local Chiang Mai folks complain about Chinese tourists just because farangs and the Japaneses tip more that's all.

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has nothing nice to say at all about the Chinese tourists she encounters on a daily basis

Most local Chiang Mai folks complain about Chinese tourists just because farangs and the Japaneses tip more that's all.

Well it was always rare to tips at 100baht a night guesthouse so that's not the source of it I don't think

From what she says they are just being plain rude to her and her staff.... skipping out on bills, trying to sneak back in to keep sleeping after checking out, checking out late, doing filthy things in rooms and bathrooms, getting angry with her that they don't have breakfast included (even when their advertisements are very clear in mandarin that you are just paying for a bed)... and the list goes on.

She would definitely have much less trouble with the kind of Chinese tourist that would be staying at a 4-5 star hotel and shopping for brand names at airport plaza... but that is only one portion of this emerging market. Many on here and around town have a very 'nose up' opinion of western backpackers (not me personally though).... the low end of the Chinese market is just as bad and in some respects worse.

In that case, I feel sorry for her. Sounded like some Indian tourists! Hope her business is doing well.

has nothing nice to say at all about the Chinese tourists she encounters on a daily basis

Most local Chiang Mai folks complain about Chinese tourists just because farangs and the Japaneses tip more that's all.

Well it was always rare to tips at 100baht a night guesthouse so that's not the source of it I don't think

From what she says they are just being plain rude to her and her staff.... skipping out on bills, trying to sneak back in to keep sleeping after checking out, checking out late, doing filthy things in rooms and bathrooms, getting angry with her that they don't have breakfast included (even when their advertisements are very clear in mandarin that you are just paying for a bed)... and the list goes on.

She would definitely have much less trouble with the kind of Chinese tourist that would be staying at a 4-5 star hotel and shopping for brand names at airport plaza... but that is only one portion of this emerging market. Many on here and around town have a very 'nose up' opinion of western backpackers (not me personally though).... the low end of the Chinese market is just as bad and in some respects worse.

I think you have to understand these Chinese tourist people have only recently been let out to explore other cultures, they have been in an oppressive regime with little understanding of the outside world, so its not surprising their attitude, manners and general demeanour comes across as negative.

We are stereotyping them though, so what?

We sterotype westerners as beer drinking fat ba$tards; the Brits as tightarses, don’t tip and the New Yorkers as the noisiest most annoying people on earth and Thai people as out to screw us of every baht.

Yes its true in general but you cant label everyone as the stereotype.

My opinion of the Chinese is like most peoples and from experience in my business “some” are rude, yes very rude, no inter personal skills, untidy, leave our place like a storm came through, but hey! These are the minority; same as plebs in all societies.

Most are gentle, quiet, polite and generous with tips because its so cheap for them here. My turnover in the low season is far outstripping turnover in last years high season months, and the recent December to now is exceptional and it’s the Chinese who are making it for us.

So love’em or hate’em from a business point of view you need to be making hay while the sun shines.

my bank book just loves em

We Have Met The Chinese, And They Are Us.

A couple of people I know who do business with Chinese tourists divide the budget Chinese into two classes:

The young Chinese, who are generally polite, pleasant and frugal.

The older Chinese, who are impolite, unpleasant, and go way beyond frugal. The older Chinese haggle over every price, ask for or assume as many free services as possible (asking to borrow the guesthouse office computer to do some internet surfing and arguing when told no), wash clothes in the room and hang them out all over the garden to dry, commandeer garden chairs to use in their rooms, and, and I'm puzzled by this, dismantle the assembly in the toilet tanks. On this last point, only a few do this, and they don't steal toilet parts, they just partially disassmble the toilet. They also cause more than average breakage in the rooms, which they never report.

It's safe to assume that while all local businesses wish the Chinese, and everyone else, would spend more, it's those who conform to the old Chinese description that cause the most heartburn.